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Hoops Roundup (NBA Edition): News & Notes On Bruin Ballers

DC deservedly has been getting all the headlines in recent weeks among the group of Bruins alums balling in the NBA. Thought today would be a good day to check in with some news and notes concerning some other Bruins who are also making their marks in the Association.

Let's start with Matt Barnes. It's his birthday today. Happy Birthday from BN Matt. Anyway, the former Bruin who played during lost era of UCLA basketball has carved out a pretty good career in the NBA through his hard work. He never got the coaching he deserved in college but through his sheer dedication he was able to put himself in position to get drafted into the NBA and now has emerged as one of the tougher characters in NBA. Anyway, Matt has been a hot topic in last few days after what transpired during Magic's huge weekend victory over the Lakers. Wanted to talk about it a bit more on the home page because it's clear that Barnes has emerged with a huge role in this championship contending squad.

Initially I only watched the last 5 minutes of that Lakers-Magic game. So needless I was more than excited to see when Barnes Ded up Kobe and then went on the other hand to knock down a huge 3. I hadn't seen the skirmish between those two until later that evening. I didn't think the shots Barnes took against Kobe were the worst thing ever that some Laker fans made it out to be.  Frankly Kobe himself can be bit of a punk (makes sense considering his Trogan colors). He just happens to be a superstar. Anyway, going back to Barnes, the Magic are excited about infusion of "Matt-sysical" energy into their lineup:

"Did I like seeing, what, physical play?" the center [Dwight Howard] said. "Matt plays physical every day. Every game, Matt is a physical baller. That's what he does, he brings physicality to the game. Physi-cality. Matt and physical go together ... Matt-sysical."

While Howard was busy creating characters and making up words, Barnes created a wrinkle to Orlando's identity that the Magic's gentle giant goofball hasn't been able to provide in his six seasons with the team and probably never will: a mean streak.

Barnes, known primarily as a shooter in the first six years of his career with six different teams, is in his first season with Orlando after signing a two-year deal last summer for a scant $1.6 million per season. But it was his defense that made you wonder how different last year's Finals could have been if the Magic had him on the floor rattling the Mamba's cage.

While Bryant scored 34 points Sunday, he shot just 12-for-30 from the field in doing so, the last of those misses coming with 1.2 seconds left from 20 feet out over Barnes' outstretched arms.

I am rooting for Barnes all the way. It was the reaction of Lamar Odom that I thought was kind of telling:

After the game, a pack of reporters asked Artest, the Lakers' resident expert on defense, what he thought about Barnes' efforts versus Bryant. Lamar Odom, who was changing at a nearby locker, heard Barnes' name come up and shouted to nobody in particular that Barnes was a "monkey" and added, "He picked the right game to act tough."

"[Barnes] was an action figure today," Odom said, this time directly to the media several minutes later after he was dressed. "He was really involved and really into the game. It's too bad we are not going to see him again [in the regular season]."

Odom's comments dripped of sarcasm and he wasn't done there, later saying Barnes didn't accomplish anything but that he got the crowd into the game.

"Ric Flair does the same thing," Odom said. "He had his wrestling gear on today. All he needed was, like, a cape and tights."

It's kind of hilarious for Odom to make fun of other players for giving effort and energy because for the majority of his career he came across to me as ultimate caricature of NBA: overpaid and overhyped NBA athletes who excel in one on one street ball by giving mediocre effort on average nights. If I were a Laker fan, I'd stop getting worked up over Barnes and keep wondering how their own team can show the same toughness instead of getting usual dose of weak sauce from Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic.

Star-divide

Anyway, the pathetic comments from Odom is just another one of many reasons I don't find this Laker team endearing the way so many of us were emotionally vested in the teams under Magic and Kareem. I will not be shedding any tears if these guys go on to choke later this spring. It would be awesome if that choke job happens thanks to either AA or Matt Barnes.

Moving on to other Bruins, KL is dreaming about those long bombs he used to throw at Pauley:

Kevin Love flashed back Saturday to his UCLA days. Or maybe even earlier.

"My parents never let me play football," the Wolves forward said, "and I always wanted to be a quarterback."

It shows. Love, who built a reputation with the Bruins for length-of-the-floor outlet passes, had not displayed his unusual skill much this season -- until Saturday. Love fired five passes of 50 feet or longer from under the Wolves basket and completed three of them for easy scores, a success rate that Brett Favre would appreciate.

"I've told the coaches, I've told the front office, that we need to engage that a little more," said Love, who made long connections with Ryan Hollins and Damien Wilkins for breakaway dunks, and Ramon Sessions for a layup. "It loses [the opponent] a rebounder if they want to get back, or if they crash the boards, it's going to be tough for them to get back.

Wish the Timberwolves were on a little more on national TV. I'd definitely make an effort to watch KL throwing those bombs.

Now a number of KL bombs from UCLA days went to none other than LRMAM, who is having a lot of fun at the next level. Luuuuuc has already carved out a solid role for him as a starter for the Milwaukee Bucks. He has also emerged as an avid Twitterer.  Caught him yesterday tweeting this:

let all the bruins know the "Moute kicks Boute" shirts are back they can get it at www.mbahamoute12.com

So you heard the dude. I already ordered mine by going right here.

Lastly, if you are in Los Angles and want to celebrate a Bruin leading an NBA team don't forget about the Clippers:

Steve Perrin from SBN's Clips Nation is organizing a get together on April 10th with members of his community. He wanted to make sure to extend that invitation to all the Clipper fans from BN (I am sure there are few). So if you are one or if you enjoy watching the Boom Dizzle, then head over to CN.

GO BRUINS.

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Touche, Nestor.

The Magic have needed a grinder like Barnes for a long time. Both Kobe and Barnes played the same way against each other. Maybe the refs let them go too far but neither is more responsible for the chippiness on Sunday than the other.

And Odom is right, the crowd got VERY involved because of those two going at it. It felt like a playoff game.

by orlandobruin on Mar 9, 2010 5:29 AM PST reply actions  

I never liked Lamar Odom

… and some of the other characters on current Lakers team. Also Laker fans (and I am one still) whining about thuggish behavior is pretty ironic considering characters on the current team and also in recent past (with funky haircuts).

by Nestor on Mar 9, 2010 5:33 AM PST up reply actions  

haah ron ron

that guy is insane. If he spent as much time training as he did in the barber shop, maybe he would still be able to dunk. Hard worker in games though.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

on a negative point

did anyone see Ryan Hollins taking cheap shots last night vs the Mavs? It was pretty disappointing to see a Bruin being ejected for a second dubious incident.

by britishbruin on Mar 9, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions  

I just read the game wrap up

Nowitski called him “out of control.” I’m sure they were cheap shots, but Dirk, you are the most “out of control” flopper in the history of basketball!

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

nah

Vlade Divacs takes the “biggest flopper ever” award.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 9, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

oooooh good point

forgot about him.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

AHHH!

The Moute Kicks Boute Shirt!!!! YES!

Random note, why did Ron Ron go all Rodman with his hair?

by freesia39 on Mar 9, 2010 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

And Happy Birthday Matt Barnes

I’ve enjoyed the succession of Number 23 wearers at UCLA lately – Matt, Luc, Tyler. I really enjoyed watching him when I was in school.

by freesia39 on Mar 9, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

This is just a great reminder

of why we expect so much from our Bruins.

by Centric on Mar 9, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Unfair shot at Lamar Odom

I’m a huge lakers fan and watch them a lot. Odom plays very hard and does the dirty work for the team, as shown by his insane rebounds per 48 minutes stat. He does this while knowing his shot attempts will always be low due to all the scorers on the team. He plays tough D and doesnt complain. Fully unfair I think.

He comes off so mellow I can understand the mistake, but I think most people who watch the lakers regularly would agree Odom plays hard. He just isnt the “rah-rah” type.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 9, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

but agreed on Sasha

how that guy got his high paying contract is beyond me. He shoots worse than rago.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 9, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

for some reason Kobe

has always been high on Sasha. Probably because Sasha speaks Italian or something lame like that.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess we disagree

Have seen the Lakers a lot b/c they are on a lot out here in East. Anyway, don’t really care much about Odom.

by Nestor on Mar 9, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Call me lame

but my gf watches that Kardashian show, and Lamar Odom is hilarious on it!!!

I like his game. He had no problem becoming a bench player for them.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Barnes would have been the ultimate Ben Ball Warrior, and is a better pro than JF.

Now in his 7th year with his 8th team, Barnes has improved his game every year. He is now rewarded with a run with a team that will go deep into the playoffs. While there is no such thing as a Kobe stopper, MB gives all that he has, has the length, quickness, intelligence and leaping ability to be a great defender, and has worked to become both a slasher and a guy who can make the occasional outside shot. He has made himself into a Bruce Bowen play alike – a valuable piece to an important team. He has taken over Michael Pietrus minutes because he gets the job done. He’s averaging nearly 9 points and 6 rebounds a game (8.7, 5.6) in 25.5 mins.

JF had the flashier career at UCLA and was the better college player, but JF is a defensive liability which he showed in that same game vs. Orlando. He was pulled because he had no chance of containing Jameer Nelson.

Here was Farmar’s line against Orlando.

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO Pts.
Mar 07 @ ORL L 94 – 96 16 0 – 4 0 – 2 0 – 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0

I’m not down on JF, but MB is my kind of player.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 9, 2010 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

Look, I know you're anti JF and all

But you don’t think it’s just a little unfair to pull a comparison from:
1) A fourth year player vs. a player in his 8th year and
2) A PG to a SF, the former requiring a completely different skill set than the latter

I’m not saying that JF will ever develop into some all world defensive stopper, but seriously, using those stats for Barnes to tout how good he is now while ignoring that JF has comparable stats on a per minute basis, in a system that depresses the “typical PG stats” no less, is just ridiculously biased.

by Tydides on Mar 9, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Farmar was absolutely terrible against Orlando

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I say he wasn't

Or are you just replying to the wrong person.

by Tydides on Mar 9, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No, just remembering and thinking out loud haha

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You raise good points

In his 4th year (with the Warriors,) Barnes averaged 9.8 pts, 4.6 rebounds,and 2.1 assists in 23.9 minutes. In his fourth year, JF is averaging 7.6 pts, 1.6 assists and 1.6 rebounds per game, in 18.4 minutes. I also didn’t take into account that JF came out two years early, and is therefore in an earlier stage of overall development.

Its always apples and oranges to compare players to some degree, after all MB played on a much different team than JF does, and they do play different positions. You would expect JF to have fewer rebounds and more assists, but the assists are relatively comparable. I think ridiculously biased goes to far. I also think that disagreeing without belittling someone is more appropriate.

That being said, JF has not been successful in getting the muscle on his body to play great defense and I think he lacks some defensive intensity.

        It is true that I was reacting to matador defense that he showed vs. Orlando, and I was struck in watching the game at the impact MB had, and the small, but negative impact JF had in that game. However, it was just one game, and JF has had many good ones for the Lakers.

           I’m not anti-JF. He was the most important piece in turning the UCLA program around, although AA was more my kind of player, and he was the go to player in the program for both of his two seasons. He has done better as a pro than I expected, and I hope he continues to exceed my expectations. JF’s three point shooting has improved since college and he has always been great making floaters in the lane, which all of today’s great guards do well.

        However, Barnes, imo, has done more to improve, year after year as a player, and, because I value defense almost equally to offense, I consider Matt to be the better player at this stage but not by a lot. Reasonable minds can certainly differ on that. My major point is that JF came out as a heralded player who plays in the championship spotlight, MB is more of an obscure lunch pail type, and Barnes has made the most of it.

       I will not be surprised if JF turns into a bigger scorer as a starter on some team other than the Lakers, but I doubt that he will become a complete player. I may be wrong, and he could turn into a Tony Parker quality player, which I see as his greatest upside potential. As with all our opinions, we’ll have to wait and see, and we may still disagree after all is said and done.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 9, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually don't really expect more rebs and assists out of JF

The former is because he plays alongside very good rebounding bigs at all times, as he is rarely in the game when neither Gasol nor Odom are playing. The latter is because he plays in the triangle, and I can’t remember the last time a PG had outstanding assist numbers playing in that system.

I didn’t think he was ready to come out either when he did, but being a solid contributor on a very good team is evidence enough to convince me that I was wrong on that assessment. I also believe that if the Lakers end up letting him walk, he will find a favorable place in the league somewhere, where his offensive numbers will go up, but his defense remains as is. His defense, while clearly not great, is actually passable by NBA standards, but perhaps not by championship contender standards. It’s a good thing he has a knack for running the offense with pretty good competence or he’d likely find himself sitting next to Morrison on the bench all game.

I stand by my assessment that it isn’t a legitimate comparison at this stage in the game, and even if it were, it’s still very close, and for me, tie goes to the younger guy. As far as biased, I stand by that as well, because your reasoning appeared to start with your conclusion and then try to find evidence to fit it. This is apparent because of the double standard you applied, where Barnes’ stats proved that he was a good player and JF’s comparable stats (which you probably didn’t even look up, and instead used a sample size of one game to judge) proved that he was not. If you don’t want me calling your post out as biased, don’t write with your conclusion in mind first.

by Tydides on Mar 9, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Barnes Statistics Are Better

I don’t object to being called biased, I admit that I am biased in favor of Matt Barnes because of his defensive effort. I favor Matt Barnes over Jason Kapono for the same reason.

However, I wasn’t "ridiculously biased, which I take as a mild form of ad hominem attack. I reviewed the statsbefore my first post, but didn’t post them all. Here are some more:
 
Barnes averages 7.2 ppg, 4.3 rebounds and 1.7 assists per game, .7 steals, averaging 21.1 minutes, for his career.

 JF averages 7.0, 2.2 assists, .8 steals and 1.8 rebounds per game averaging 18.2 minutes per game for his career. It is telling that JF assists are in the same ballpark as MB’s.

Barnes career stats are a little bit better, but he hardly had any playing time in his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons. Playing time is earned, so the fact that Barnes plays more is proof that he is more valuable.

This season, on a relatively equal team, Barnes averages 8.7 ppg., 5.6 rebounds, 1.7 assists, and .7 steals per game. Barnes has earned 25.5 minutes per game.

In comparison, JF has averages 7.6 ppg, 1.6 rebounds, an anemic 1.6 assists, 1.8 rebounds and .7 steals per game. Farmar is limited to 18.4 minutes per game because he is losing the battle with Shannon Brown.

Barnes is the better player now, and it is uncertain whether JF will ever be better.

JF has good offensive upside, but his defense is unlikely to improve. With Derrick Fisher clearly on the downside of his career, the point guard position was Jf’S for the taking, but Shannon Brown has earned more minutes than JF, and what the future holds of the Lakers point guard position is uncertain.

Barnes development from obscurity into a valuable piece of a championship team is a surprising development given his draft position (45th) vs. Farmar’s draft position (26th). Barnes was waived early in his career and has had to work to stay in the league and thrive.

The stats are easily available:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/matt_barnes/career_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jordan_farmar/career_stats.html

Reasonable minds can differ on who is the better player, and perhaps free agent contract rates will tell the tale, but I would take MB over JF.

In any case, both were great UCLA warriors, who earned the right to respect from all Bruin basketball fans and alumni. I wish them both the best. I also love to discuss UCLA basketball, and even enjoy our jousting. Go Bruins.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 9, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad that's not what the stats say at all

First of all, it makes no sense to use “per game” statistics when “per x minutes” stats are readily available to you in the links I already provided. In what situation is per game better than per minutes played?

Second of all, yes, you’re biased. I’m glad you admit that. But let’s quit beating around the bush here. What makes you ridiculously biased is inserting JF into this when he was not mentioned AT ALL, and because it’s not the first time you’ve decided to take a tangential and unrelated shot against him. That thread was about his offensive abilities and how he fit in the offense, and you came in out of left field with your crap. So you’ll have to excuse me if I call BS on you saying that you’re not anti-JF. You turned what was supposed to be a great post about Barnes into a shitfest because of your personal vendetta against another Bruin.

Not sure how you give him credit for not playing. If anything that’s a strike against him, not being able to crack the rotation on teams that are certainly not as good as this year’s Laker team. Lack of playing time early is proof that he is LESS valuable.

I’ve already gone over the fact that PGs in the triangle do not compile typical PG stats. For example: Derek Fisher’s two best assist years in his 14 year NBA career came when he was with Golden State.

Furthermore, saying his career stats are better is a lie. Farmar has the edge in points, assists, steals, 3 Pt %, and fouls while Barnes has the advantage in rebounds, FG %, FT %, and blocks. Looks like a typical split due to their different positions. That’s based on stats per minute of action, you know, what you do when you’re actually in the game.

What you don’t seem to understand is that I have no horse in this race. But I see you asserting things without proof, or worse, where readily available evidence casts serious doubt on those assertions. I also see you derailing threads with your own personal vendetta against a Bruin, posting things that are off topic because you can’t restrain yourself. So you can quit pretending you’re so hurt about me calling a spade a spade. What you’re actually hurt about is that you couldn’t get away with it.

You won’t be enjoying our jousting much longer if you can’t stay on topic and leave your axe grinding out of unrelated threads.

by Tydides on Mar 9, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

There is such a thing as a "Kobe Stopper" BTW

It’s called “Arron Afflalo”.

Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info

by cybermaldonado on Mar 9, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no problem

with players pulling this kind of stuff with Kobe. Daring him to play harder and show you up is definitely not the way to shut him down.

But it could be a successful strategy for beating them…

…in the regular season.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

Aaron Afflalo

Nice to see AA starting with the Nuggets as well. His time with the Pistons seemed to give him a chance to take it all in and realize the next move would be his chance. Seems to be making the most of it. Enjoyed watching him frustrate Kobe awhile back.

by LiveanddieBruins on Mar 9, 2010 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

He should have got some (much )love for defensive player of the year.

Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info

by cybermaldonado on Mar 9, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, anyone see that new back tat Farmar has?

I’m starting to think it says “Farmar,” which I’m sorry, but that would up his tool score.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 9, 2010 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

Tell me Minnesota isn't tanking their games...

Love plays 12 minutes and Hollins gets 26 minutes? Good for Hollins though- he put up a respectable 13 and 9 last night.

Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info

by cybermaldonado on Mar 9, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

I'm surprised there is such passion for the nba.

That’s something I never have understood. I realize I am in the minority on this, but I get about as excited for the nba as I do for pro tennis or pro billiards or pro bowling. I just don’t care. I’m sure professional basketball players, tennis players, pool shooters and bowlers don’t care about me either.

I think I would care a little bit more if some of the rules were changed. I would make a dunk worth 1 point. It’s not particularly difficult to dunk if you’re as tall as those guys are. Or if you still want the dunk, I would raise the basket about two feet to make it more significant when someone dunks. I would widen the court and widen the key to take some of the advantage away from the big guys who just push their way around inside. I would do away with the “continuation play” which in college, high school and junior high is called either a non-shooting foul or traveling.

But most of all, absolutely, truly most of all, I would ban at every level the obligatory handshake after the first free throw, whether it’s made or its missed. If someone on the shooter’s team even looks in the shooter’s direction, I would call a delay of game and give the other side a few technical foul shots. I think that’s the silliest ritual in any sport.

OK, back to my geezer musings. I add my opinion on pro basketball to my other lost causes (keeping the sound off when watching games on TV, misusing so much of the English language, and all the rest of them).

by Fox 71 on Mar 9, 2010 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

FWIW

I don’t really care as much about the NBA as I used to. I care more about the Bruins who are excelling in NBA.

by Nestor on Mar 9, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

I like pro tennis. Roger Federer is a champion for the ages, even if he unseated one of the loves of my life, Pete Sampras, and the other love of my life, Andy Roddick.

Besides, that’s what Drago does best – give the hand slap after a free throw, made or missed. More often missed with our team.

But I watch a lot of pro sports at all levels.

by freesia39 on Mar 9, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The very best players are in the NBA

and in the playoffs they play at a far superior level. That being said, I loved the Showtime Lakers, but I love the Bruins I will never care about pro basketball as I do about the UCLA Bruin basketball team (or the football team for that matter.) Like everyone else, I love the Bruins who play in the NBA. When Barnes and Davis were on the Warriors, it was like watching Bruins north. I love to see them excel.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 9, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

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