Wall and 4 others leaving KY for NBA
by gbruin on Apr 7, 2010 8:42 PM PDT
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One and done...and one and done, and one and done, and one and done.
Well, it couldn't happen to a better guy, Hopefully KY's leftovers can "rally together" and salvage a 10 or 12 win season next year (though I'm sure Cal will just buy some 5-star replacements and carry on).
However, this reinforces that the goal of many top HS stars is to get to the NBA, and college is just a one-year nuisance...errr...requirement. Let's hope CBH can separate the one year hired guns (KL being a notable exception) like the Wildcats freshman class from the diamonds in the rough who will devote 3 or 4 years to college, benefitting both their development and our program, before taking the next step to the NBA.
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You gotta wonder if this is actually part of Calapari's recruiting spiel
Coach Cal: “hey man, I know you don’t really want to go to college and I get that, it’s all good. I’ll never pressure you to stick around for more than your required one year. Just come play for me for that year and I’ll do my best to improve your draft stock. A bunch of your AAU buddies are already on board.”
Now we gotta wait and see how many of those uncommitted Micky D’s All-Americans sign on.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if that were true
Daniel Orton’s average stat line for Kentucky this year: 13, 3 points, 3 rebounds, a block and a half. And you thought Jrue’s numbers sucked. This HAS to just be a test to see where he would get drafted…..right?
NO,he's all about the money
he said it himself
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
These days, if you can parlay athletic talents into mega$$$$$$
who’s to say they should think of the schol first ?
I am the devel’s advocate here.
Spencer Hayward’s hardship case cracked it open first, followed by teams directly drafting players right after high school, skipping college altogether. Sadly enough, and it also speaks to the amazing talent level nowadays, many kids did make it that way, enjoying their $$$$ & an attractive, glitzy lifestyle that fueled even more participants for the jump, albeit a woeful lack of life skills for some to even function in an adult world.
So then NBA said one and done to curtail the problem But then how can you curb the desire of those talent rich kids to succumb to the temptations, all congenially phrased as merely following one’s dream, to bail out after one year when after all, they do abide by the rules to stay for the minimum of one year if they so choose.
Between loyalty, education & intant $$$$, most, though not all, kids would go for the latter. This in undeniably sad but then so many of them did come back in the summer or post retirement, and finish their degree. Wasn’t Troy Ackman, Magic johnson, among others the prime examples ? Of course, untold many faded away after a brief span of NBA excitements and linger in abject poverty, forever among the misfits of society.
So blame the system, the mega$$$$$$ sports industries have to offer and ironically, the incredible athletic talents our environment perpetuates.
It might be sad
but it makes sense. Why risk another year in college when there is a significant chance you could end your career with injury before you ever see an NBA paycheck?
You can always go back to school and get a degree. I know many people that went back in their 40s. I couldn’t decide on a major and went to work for several years before going to back to finish. I didn’t finish till 28 or 29.
If you can get into the NBA and you have a good chance of making a it through the first couple years without getting cut, then you absolutely should (DC obviously benefited from his extra time UCLA, but that doesn’t necessarily justify the chance you take). 99% of the population (even those with degrees) will never see NBA type money.
True, true, true .........
When the money is there, in huge sums, you would always grab them first as long as one intends to finish the degree later somehow. This is the mantra these days when the chance is there to go pro, unlike yesteryears when one at least has to be a junior.
This is only pragmatism based on today’s value system. Bill Walton & Kareem Jabbar would not have stuck around all four years had there been one and done rule in their days .
Wrt to Nestor's post
I think CBH did well in finding lasting recruits with the ‘09 class: I can’t see Reeves making an early jump, Stover voluntarily redshirted in his first year of eligibility, and we don’t really know about TH or BL yet so we can’t make any determinations. But it looks like Coach is back to getting unselfish guys who put the team first (I include MM in that statement; his decision to transfer was 100% correct given the complete fiasco wrt to his playing time last year, and anybody in his position would have done the same thing).
IMO
Honeycutt will be THE litmus test for how well CBH can keep players who have the talent and ability to reach the next level, but aren’t the breakout stars or obvious one-and-done talents we’ve seen.
More so than JF or AA or others of his initial recruiting classes here
Isn't it a bit early to put that much on Honeycutt leaving/staying?
If he has a breakout sophomore year (like Westbrook), will you consider it a personal mark against Howland if he can’t convince Honeycutt to give up being a lottery pick, for example?
Well, if like Westbrook he's GUARANTEED to go top 7/8
Then yeah, you can’t blame Tyler for making the jump. But if it’s a situation like Afflalo or Farmar or Holiday, where the consensus projection is something like “possible lottery, but most likely later first round” and he STILL goes…well, then that’s going to raise some questions.
Westbrook wasn't GUARANTEED to go top 7/8
In fact, it was very fortuitous (for both he and the Thunder) that he went as high as he did. I read an article on him in ESPN Mag recently that notes many scouts had him pegged as a mid-late first round pick. The Thunder surprised everyone by picking him 4th.
If Honeycutt declares this year, I think CBH would have some explaining to do. IMO, Honeycutt isn’t ready. He can’t hit a jump shot yet and needs to add strength. If he improves, has a good season, and declares next year and ends up somewhere in the 10-20 range, I would not blame CBH at all.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Apr 8, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Most expected him to be top ten
and two teams picking in the top ten, including the Thunder, gave him a guarantee.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 8, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
As ucla139 said
If TH is a concensus top 10 pick, its tough to fault him
But if he’s like an AA or Farmar, someone who’s a borderline first rounder, then it will be key to see CBH’s ability to keep him around for one more year
With AA and JF, they didn’t come in with expectations of being at the next level. The objective when they came in was to rebuild a program – and they did so, and so in a way it was a pleasant addition to see them go to the next level.
Now? Now our goal is to maintain excellence in a program, and we’ve seen time and time again that we need those borderline players to stick around to win it all. TH bolting if he’s in that category after next year will be disappointing given our different goals.
he wouldn't need to make as big a jump as Westbrook to be a lottery pick next year
He showed a lot this year as a freshman, despite entering the season injured and never being at full strength. He is long, athletic and smart. If he doesn’t test the waters this year he surely will next year. He probably needs to get more consistent from outside, but otherwise he seems like a prototypical NBA wing.
Some advocate handing him the keys next year; I think that might accelerate his departure if he feels he has shown all there is to show by the end of next year, particularly if there isn’t a clear sense that the following season will be another step up. In an ideal world, we pick up a talented frosh PG and another piece this off-season, next year have a moderate rebound year that makes us at least an 8-seed in the tourney, with TH, JS2 choosing to stick around with a young talented core for the following year. I love the idea of junior TH, junior RN, soph JS2 and two guards to be named later (hopefully TL? and my mythical talented PG…) being a national contender in the 2011-12 season. Sadly, currently seems like a long shot.
by britishbruin on Apr 8, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta briefly reitterate my argument re. TH
near the end of the season, I looked at all the wings projected to get drafted this year and examing their production this year as well as last year. Long story short, TH will most likely have to show greater improvement as a scorer than did any of these guys in order to earn a spot on the mock draft board. Sadly, the “do-everything-except-score-in-bunches” types are generally forced to stay three or four years or until they average 16+ ppg whichever comes first.
do you have a link to that?
Sounds interesting.
At the same time, you gotta figure he gets a lot more shots next year. His points per shot were higher than MR and ND, and presumably he inherits a lot of their shot attempts.
Hold on a second
Recruiting guys that will stick around for more than one year is only a part of the equation. Of the ’09 class, only Honeycutt is even close to NBA caliber. Reeves had a solid freshman season, but honestly, he would probably be a role player on a elite team, at best. Stover and Lane have yet to prove themselves. Moser was yet another player lost to attrition. Having guys stick around is desirable if these guys are actually good enough to get us playing at an elite level. I think the jury is still out as to whether Howland “did well” in ’09 finding lasting recruits.
Recruiting “one and dones” isn’t exactly a death sentence for a program, as long as you find the right mix of talent that will stick around to compliment these players. It also helps if you can bring in “one and done” talent every year to replace the ones that leave. Howland has only brought in one true “one and done” talent since he has been here (Love), whereas elite teams are bringing 1 or 2 of these guys every year.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I am excited about RN's future
I remember comments from his high school coach alluding to many other facets of his game not being utilized at the 5 by us (decent mid-range game perhaps?) and the few times he put the ball on the floor this year I went from cringing to cheering because the guy just finds a way to get to the basket.
I’ll be very curious to see how he matches up against opposing 4’s, he did a commendable job as a freshman going up against often larger opposing 5’s, can’t wait to see what he does against slightly smaller but faster competition.
I agree
Jury may still be out overall, but RN showed more post game last season than any CBH player except KL. Can CBH make it work with him at the 4? Remains to be seen.
I suspect he isn’t someone you want to be the feature player on a good team; but it seems he could definitely be a productive starter.
I guess what you're saying
is that Duke, Syracuse, Michigan State etc don’t fit your definition of “elite teams”.
Quite the contrary
Look at the top 20 recruits in any year in the last decade, and I trust you will find those 3 schools well represented.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
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So this statement (emphasis added)
Howland has only brought in one true "one and done" talent since he has been here (Love), whereas elite teams are bringing 1 or 2 of these guys every year.
is pure hyperbole?
or you don't understand
that “one and done” means that a guy plays a single year in college (the “one”) and then leaves for the NBA (which explains the “and done” part)?
Let me simplify it for you
A team that loses a talented player to the NBA after one year is in a better position to handle the departure when they bring in a similarly talented player or players every year. I really don’t know how to explain it better than that.
Calipari is a heavy favorite to land top 20 recruits Brandon Knight, C.J. Leslie, and Terrence Jones for the upcoming season. I am not shedding any tears for him or Kentucky.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
still not simple enough
please name the teams who are “elite teams”, and who the 1 or 2 one-and-done talents they have had every year.
Memphis replaced a one-and-done (Rose) with another one-and-done (Evans), and would have had another following if Caliparia hadn’t left. $C replaced a one-and-done (OJ2) with another one-and-done (DeRozan).
UCLA followed up Kevin Love with Jrue Holiday.
Those are the only ones I recall off the top of my head of one-and-dones in consecutive classes at the same school, though there might be more. Seems fairly obvious that there are plenty of elite teams who have early departures, but not many who make a habit of bringing in “1 or 2 [true one-and-done talents] every year”
The advantage Duke and UNC have had
is that those would-be one and done players have been staying for multiple years, either because they failed to live up to expectations or because they think they’ll have a bigger role the next year that would further improve their draft stock.
by SuperBruinMan on Apr 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
there's some truth in that
but Duke hasn’t has that many uber-talents – Singler is the most highly rated guy since one-and-done came about, and he isn’t a typical one-and-done athletic specimen.
Scheyer and Singler could both have turned pro last year, but Duke managed to convince them to stay together for a third year starting together.
by britishbruin on Apr 9, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way N
Title is a little misleading; you never know, one or more of these guys could pull an ‘07 AA or ’08 DC and return for another year. Orton, for one, would be a moron to leave (at least for the NBA), and Bledsoe has to know that his numbers would shoot up if he stayed another year (because he would be the new alpha dog on the team). Just sayin’…little early to declare them ALL “one-and-dones.”
That was me, 139
And you are right. I was just taking the title of the article. Certainly any one of them could just be testing the waters. However, ESPN is projecting that Wall and Cousins as lottery picks, and Bledsoe and Orton in the 12-20 range, which means they’ll likely stay in the draft. Besides, they are Caliapri recruits. None of them are there for KY. Their pay in the NBA will be a little higher than at KY and now they can make their agents public…allegedly.
BTW, note how idiot “NBA insider” Chad Ford refers to Hornets guard Darren “Williamson”. Not very inside of him.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
I guess we just have to be honest
The “g” stands for Gurrerro. As your investigation showed before Ryan is really Dan Guerrerro but I am actually Ryan. Now it turns you were me all along.
by Nestor on Apr 8, 2010 8:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
you stole that dialogue
right out of Sixteen Candles! (4:10 mark)
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Calimari will be fine
It’s a bit off topic but Calimari will just reload again. This 1 year rule is plain retarded. Guys like Wall & Cousins won’t even be in school for a full year. They’ll be leaving school so they can prep for the NBA draft so all they have to do is stay eligible for 1 semester. If the powers that be really wanted kids to stay in college/not water down the NBA, let kids jump straight to the NBA or if they go to college, commit to 2 years before being eligible for the draft.
How a guy like Calimari who left UMass and Memphis with violations does not get some sort of punishment (like Todd Bozeman) is beyond me. KY sold their soul for W’s and it is only a matter of time before it blows up in their face.
yup
and the reason I doubt the other frosh come back is that that would entail a whole 3 semesters of college, rather than the one that Calimari probably guaranteed.
If you’re a hugely talented HS Senior who wishes they could have just gone straight to the NBA, it seems that Calimari’s program is the obvious one-and-done location.
by britishbruin on Apr 8, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
That's his whole marketing gimmick
he’s gonna bank everything on those one-and-dones. How do you sustain a program like that? How do you build a team? I think the shyte is going to hit the fan on him real soon…but then again, I wouldn’t put it past him to jump to the NBA again right before it does.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
+1
I’m very interested to see what happens to him next. The pattern has been estabilished and if he pulls the same crap at UK, I can’t help but think the spotlight will be a bit too bright to escape from. Down with Calimari, or as I refer to him, down with the vacater!
Can't wait to see the CBS and WWL commentators burying the Squid...
… the same way they shoveled dirt onto CBH and Roy Williams for not making the tournament.
Have fun, Calipari, aka the Squid (not just for the obvious sound-alike name, but for the constantly fishy way he gets wins that have to be vacated within 4 years).
You live by the academically-ineligble prodigy, you die by the academically-ineligible prodigy.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Could be Calimari will be a one and done as well?
Maybe he’ll go to New Jersey. Dan Patrick was speculating about that…just speculating. But wouldn’t that be a hoot…and he’d be out of college ball.
OT Watching KL against the Lakers. Has he died his hair red? Or is it just some new styling?
Go Bruins!
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