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Pre-Announcement Guesses: NCAA Penalty For Trojan Cheaters Edition

Since A is not around I thought it would be a good idea to jump start this conversation right now given that some smoke signal is come out about the NCAA finally making some noise concerning the "investigation" into the Southern Cal's sleazy scandal tainted program

Chris Dufresne from the LA Times made the following guess about what is going to happen to the shady athletic program run by Mikey Garrett:

5 yrs, bowl ban, 21 scholarships

I will gladly take that but tasser10 here have other ideas:

I want the NCAA to make their jerseys say

SUC

TROGANS

in every sport for the next 5 years.

So yes, I will be hugely disappointed.

Only in our dreams. I still believe the NCAA doesn't have the courage to levy just punishment which would 5 years of probation, 2-3 years of bowl and TV ban, and loss of at least 25 scholarships over a period of 5 years.

My prediction: Trogans will be on probation for 3 years, lose about 15 scholarships and perhaps get shut out of a bowl game for one season.

If you guys have predictions about what the NCAA is going to do, this would be the thread to chime in. Either way it doesn't matter: we will have to beat those chumps on the field in 207 days.

For this week though time to guess away on how much or little the Trogans will have to pay the piper.

GO BRUINS.

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Just make it be meaningful

In my opinion, probation is B.S. It means nothing unless they do something again. I want SUC to feel more pain.

I want a 2 or 3 year bowl ban and a loss of double digit scholies. (10-15).

Anything less and it will be a huge disappointment. And I’m absolutely ready to be disappointed b/c I have no faith the NCAA will issue a meaningful punishment.

by Bald Eagle on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I expect them to forfeit a whole bunch of wins

Possibly forfeit all wins under the Bush era, including their 1 (and 1/2) national championships. Which really means nothing, because it won’t affect the product that they’ll put out on the field, but it will make the NCAA feel good and make it seem like they’re punishing SUC.

Beyond that, I think the 3 years probation, 1 year bowl ban, 10ish scholarships reduced sounds pretty reasonable (but perhaps not “fair”).

slow down, look up

by Point Guard 08 on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I DISAGREE

Taking away Nat’l championship(s) would be sweet…that and loss of TV exposure for a year…throw in a couple years of probation and loss of 10 scholarships over the probationary period and I would feel pretty damn good….

by WestlakeVillage Bruin on May 11, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NCAA will ...

shake their finger and sternly say “Play nice and try to follow the rules”

I just can’t handle being disappointed.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on May 10, 2010 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

that's realistic

The classic “sternly worded letter.”

by Nestor on May 10, 2010 3:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

NO TV

that’s what I want, no TV and a bowl ban of a couple years

by ositosfan on May 10, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

what about

no televised homegames. Let the country watch them go 2-4, we all know perception is everything for tWWL, make them turn on each other!

by Chris09 on May 10, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 yr bowl ban, 5 lost scholarships...

…and Kiffin must wear a Hello Kitty outfit on recruiting trips.

OK, so the last part won’t happen, but it’s fun to imagine.

by hicalliber on May 10, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Gutless NCAA

I expect the NCAA to submit a formal apology to $c for putting them through such a “tough” investigation. Seriously though, the NCAA won’t dole out the “Death” penalty, so whatever penalty it deems appropriate will be too light.

by RandBruin on May 10, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

My guess

Probably this:

Though I’d prefer this:

by MWbruin on May 10, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Justice is

1) 5 Years Probation
2) 3 Year post season ban
3) Loss of 10 rides for 3 years (5 really doesn’t amount to much because lots of programs can’t fill all their rides)
4) Reduction in official visits, off campus recruiting (number of days & number of coaches) and other avenues for which to contact recruits
5) Trogans need to pay back the Pac 10 all proceeds (Bowl & TV money) during this period which will be dispersed equally to the other Pac 10 teams.
6) Vacate all wins/title
7) Bush returns the Heisman (Not under NCAA jurisdiction but NY Downtown Athletic Club? should take action too).

I don’t want a TV ban because I want the entire nation to see them get their ass spanked by the Blue & Gold. But….I know it ain’t gonna happen.

by BlueReign on May 10, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

They'll probably get double secret probation

and throw a kegger to celebrate.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 10, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I Hope They Focus on Football Sanctions

My concern is that the basketball program will take the biggest hit — because that’s how the trogans are playing it.

Whatever happens, I’ll not feel good until we start to dominate them, again, on the playing field and on the basketball court.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 10, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

What makes this time any different?

just$c* has been doing what it does for decades. It is truly institutioinal, but not a lack of institutional control. It is absolute, total, unequivocal control by the institution. They have institutionalized cheating. It has been that way before any of the current administration or faculty or students got there. It will be that way up until the dreaded “Big One” which makes them and undersea school.

So why should this be different? They will get a “Stern Talking To,” coupled with several “Raised Eyebrows” and the ever-feared “Tone of Righteous Indignation.” Then the real penalties. Oh, yeah, baby, they’re coming, and they’re real penalties. We’ll get those trogans, who violate our rules, saith the ncaa. Don’t think we’re not going to penalize them, because, you betcha, that’s going to happen.

And now for something completely different. The Larch.

I think it will go something like that.

by Fox 71 on May 10, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

And in the final meeting...

NCAA: Now Mike, we’re really gonna have to do something this time. I mean, that basketball payment thing with OJ was pretty bad…
Mike Garrett: Oh, that guy, Timmy, He’s gone on to the pros, now. OJ isn’t here either. He’s in the NBA, too.
NCAA: Oh. Ok, well, the Reggie Bush free house thing was pretty bad, too.
MG: It’s all good. He’s not here anymore either. He’s in the NFL now.
NCAA: And that scary looking dude with the steroids…
MG: In the pros. McKnight, too. He drove himself.
NCAA: Well, still, Pete Carroll seems to have a lot of issues with his football program.
MG: No probs. Pete is in the pros. Not here anymore.
NCAA: Well, it seems everyone who was causing trouble has gone on to the professional ranks.
MG: Yes, well, at *$c, we really prepare them well for a professional career…errr…I mean, they are all very talented and have great opportunities.
NCAA: Well, it sure sounds like you’ve cleaned house, Mr Garrett. I don’t see any need for sanctions now that you’ve dealt with this so effectively. Congratulations. So, can I meet Snoop Dogg, now?
MG: I’ll see if I can get Lane Kiffen to bring him by this afternoon.
NCAA: What? Lane Kiffin is here? The Tennessee guy? Huh. Who knew? We’ve been thinking that we need to pretend to look into his recruiting practices. Aw, but first, I gotta head over to Westwood to shake down that evil goody two-shoes Wooden guy again. He’s been telling young men about the importance of maturity and education and character, and we can’t allow that sort of thing to go uninvestigated. And don’t even get me started with that Anheuser guy coaching football. But you know how lousy the parking is over at that place? So tell Mr Kifffen we’ll be back to look into his program in, say, 2014 or so. Ok? We’re all settled then. Hey, maybe, is Will Farrell around?

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on May 10, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I bet

the NCAA ignores the football team completely and awards the death penalty to the $uc equestrian team for their violation of horse’s rights. The NCAA will also order $uc to reattach the unicorn’s horn and place it in Lame’s office so that the pretty princess can ride her pony whenever she wants.

by Chris09 on May 10, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait

I thought they were already punished. Isn’t that what the basketball postseason ban was about? I mean, it must have hurt them to know that a team that had no chance of making it was going to be banned anyway.

by Tydides on May 10, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

No truer words have ever been spoken in the history of human civilization!

As you say, “Either way it doesn’t matter: we will have to beat those chumps on the field in 207 days.”

by peggysue69 on May 10, 2010 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Now

It is now 206 days.

by peggysue69 on May 11, 2010 8:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I want

Vacated wins (I still say they should keep the losses, ha) including their one real and one imagined championship, 5 years probation, 3 year post season ban, 5-10 scholarships lost per year, and maybe some sort of TV ban (so as to make big time recruits hesitated due to lack of exposure). Then the Heisman committee should take away bu$h’s trophy.

In reality, I agree they will probably give the basketball team the death penalty and put football on probation for 2 years.

Slightly separate, where is a link to the list of trogan offenses. It hasn’t been posted and I can’t quite figure how to word my search and can’t remember how far back it was. I found Menelaus’ post of the top 15 offenses of 2007, but I want to take another gander at the full list. Can anyone find a link or tell me how to word my search? Thanks!

by sponkey21 on May 10, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I think this is what you are looking for

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2008/5/15/508939/pete-carroll-tim-floyd-usc

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on May 10, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if anybody would be willing to update that post

It’s a daunting task, considering the sheer volume of scandals since it was last updated a couple years ago. But it would be really great to have. Maybe when classes are over in a month I’ll take a stab at it.

by MWbruin on May 10, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

My two cents

I will be satisfied it those slugs across town get the following:

-3-5years probation
-2 year bowl ban (to me this is the biggie)
-Loss of 20 scholarships over 3-5 years.
-No TV for one year. In year 2 & 3, allowed on TV, but limited.
-Loss of some in-home visits or recruiting trips cut in some way or another.
-Forfeit all games in National Championship season. Lose the championship.

Now, since I am a realist, I know that won’t happen. The NCAA will try to make it seem like they are handing down the hammer, but they surely won’t screw over their west coast cash cow. Here is what is likely to happen:

-3 years probation
-1 year bowl ban (they will think this is the biggie, but anything less than two is a joke)
-Loss of 15 scholies over 3 years
-Limited TV over first year. No ban in year 2 &3.
-No recruiting limitations.
-No loss of national championship.

Should be interesting!

by muircoach on May 10, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Trogans can only recruit,

play, pay, market, educate (Trogan ethics – United States, China school of business), furnish transportation to, offer extension classes for via Señora Ross, entertain across state lines with hostesses, or contact after already signed to another school those athletes who are determined to be Trogan material within 10 minutes of meeting.

Also they can never get rid of Garrett and Kiffin. Ever, ever, ever.

Never.

by sam_in_hb on May 10, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

i want them to

Have to give up scholarships, for 3 years don’t care how many.
Also cant partake in bowls for 3 years.

Bruin for life!!!!
You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden

by g.granillo on May 10, 2010 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

FUSC Sancations

Pete Carroll when he is fired from the Seahawks if he wishes to return to college football must serve a one year suspension or a show cause order placed on him . FUSC is banned for two years from off campus recruiting. All victories during which Bush was a part of are whiped clean. 4 years probtation. Banned from tv for three years and and banned from bowl game participation for four years. Loss of scholarships for the next five years.

by Tim Macias on May 10, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

It's kind of hard to suspend a head coach,

He would just spend the year doing TV work or something.

I say give him a two of three year bowl ban so no competitive school would consider hiring him until he has done his pennance and kept his nose clean.

Of course I think that would just plain keep him out of college coaching all together but I’m OK with that.

The idea I really like is having USC give all of the money they got for bowl games to the PAC-10 and maybe even project that in to the future after their 2-3 year bowl game ban expires. Crime shouldn’t pay.

Of course the games should be forefitted and scholarships should be lost in the sports that were dirty.

Forcing out Garrett would be a good jesture.

They should also have to put Lil’ Romeo back on scholarship.

by layout on May 11, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

In other news...

Ted Miller’s UCLA Football prognostication:

Kraft Fight Hunger

UCLA vs. Nevada: The Bruins go 6-6 against a brutal schedule, with every game decided by a touchdown or less. The big news, however, is the series of round-off back handsprings coach Rick Neuheisel does down winding Lombard Street when linebacker Akeem Ayers, defensive end Datone Jones and safety Rahim Moore each announce they will return for the senior season.

I’d say that’s pretty realistic, priming up for our 2011 campaign.

by UCLA Band ' on May 10, 2010 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I want them to lose the championship

If that is all that happens, I’ll be happy because I’m mean like that.

Think about it, they lose that, the only fruit of their “great” run will be gone. It would also cast dispersions on the prior year claim of a championship. All that would make the trogans cry and I could drink their sweet, sweet tears.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 10, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too

but I don’t think they will care all that much. They will just say how that doesn’t matter because everyone saw those games and knows who really won. Something needs to happen in addition that hurts them in the future for me to feel the justice has been served. We’ll see….

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on May 10, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

They will say that but...

they saw the games and now magically they end up losing. They cheated by allowing an ineligible player on the field. They won because of that fact.

I agree with you and I have seen them say what you are saying. Then again, I really don’t care what they think because they think the trogans are the best thing ever, for all time. We can’t change their minds and I really don’t care to. I want them to get hammered in the best way possible and that is to take away the only NC they got out of their “glorious” run.

However, I wouldn’t mind anything that would set them back.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 10, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

That is what I was looking for. An update would be greatly appreciated Bruins102NCAA or anyone else who gets to it!

by sponkey21 on May 11, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

This should have been a reply to

uclafan11 and MWbruin above. I have no clue how it got down here.

by sponkey21 on May 11, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think about what has happened since the last Rover-Gate issue cropped up...

…they lost their football coach, they lost their basketball coach, they lost their President…the only one left there is Garrett, maybe b/c he has no other options for employment. If I was the NCAA, all that looks like a lack of institutional control (i.e., guilty minds head for the hills). However, all but Garrett is gone. Can’t punish ghosts, but they could punish the current recruits, who, let’s face it, don’t really deserve the punishment IMO. Do these recruits really deserve to have the team scholarships reduced so they have no recruits about the time they will be peaking (as juniors and seniors)? I say penalize the school in lost TV for 5 years at least, and vacate some wins. And have Garrett agree to resign by holding stiffer penalties over them unless he walks. Things won’t change with people lik Garrett still there, no matter what the penalty is.

by 2ndGenBruin on May 10, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, they probably do deserve that

Because there isn’t a soul outside of south central that doesn’t know that their program is guilty as sin. I guarantee each adn every one of them knew SUC was under investigation when they signed on the dotted line. These kids took a gamble on the NCAA’s spinelessness, and we’re about to find out whether that gamble is going to pay off for them.

by Tydides on May 10, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as they are exposed for what their FILTHY Institution Has ALWAYS been

 I will be happy. It’s just pathetic what kind of people that place churnes out and associates itself with. From you OJ’S to your meth addicts, to your drug dealing, player paying, and prostitution running individuals. From cheating to covering up and paying people off. To their corrupt school officials keeping the NCAA from really handing down a JUST sentence. I don’t even bother to call them an actual University.

In any case, The initial point of my comment was to say, Nes, That picture of Cheatey is absolutely hilarious. Excellent taste for the post!

Go Bruins!!!

by UCLABRU1 on May 10, 2010 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there such a thing as supervised recruiting?

by ositosfan on May 10, 2010 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

My guess?

5 years of probation
1 year bowl ban
Loss of 10-15 scholarships for 3 seasons

That’s it. It’s something, but way short of what is deserved.

by Bellerophon on May 10, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds roughly like my thoughts

While there are several ways the NCAA could go with sanctions, the only thing I am reasonably sure of is that they will not be subject to a TV ban. In the modern TV era, none of the big boys are going to get hit with one (more accurately, none of the networks are going to allow it).

Deserved or not, I do think the basketball program is going to get the brunt of the NCAA’s action. Timmay really made it easy for the NCAA to make an example of that program, and deflect some of the heat from Petey.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on May 10, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of a TV ban

all of $UC’s TV revenue should be distributed to the rest of the PAC 10. In addition, every few minutes, a message should scroll along the bottom of the screen. The message will point out that $UC is under NCAA probation and list their infractions. Hmm, it might take a whole half to send that message.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on May 11, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

An "honorarium"

Perhaps the NCAA has been waiting for the $c alumni to come up with an “honorarium” so as to really find out how bad the “wrist slap” or “double secret probation” will be. I hope the worst possible sanctions EVER for this place! How about no more football or basketball at Fig. Tech for at least 10 years for starters.

by Forever a Bruin on May 10, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's make it be true deterrence...

For the past, forfeit every FB game Bush was in and every BB game OJ2 was in, including actual and purported national championships plus a Heisman.

For the future, make every player declare a major, take true academic courses (no ballroom dancing), not allow any credits from Senora Ross or other Trogan-alum grade-inflation institution of lower learning, and receive the same criminal justice treatment as any other individual arrested with probable cause. This, more than TV bans or postseason bans, is certain to ruin their recruiting forever.

by ucla7477 on May 10, 2010 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

My wish list for the Troylets

4 year bowl ban;
2 year TV ban;
loss of 12, 9 and 6 scholarships next year, the year after and two years after;
and
THIS IS THE BIG ONE – all recently signed athletes (I am gagging at calling them “student athletes”) can jump ship before August without losing eligibility.

I don’t really care about forfeiting past wins, but that will happen. Forfeiting some dough would be nice, too.

What will happen? The basketball team will get the primary punishmrent and the football team will get essentially a wrist slap.

Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!

by Digdog on May 10, 2010 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

The current upperclassmen could be the key

I don’t have much faith that the NCAA will come down hard on SC, but the sanctions may be significant enough to allow some of their players to transfer without having to sit out a year, or be subjected to other Pac-10 or NCAA restrictions – possibly the Juniors and Seniors. It is a bit late in the year for many to leave, but possible that a few could find another program that will let them play in the postseason, get more PT…

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on May 10, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

This all reminds me of the morning commute

There is always a guy who drives on the shoulder, cuts in and out, drives in the car pool lane, drives 90 miles an hour, and robs two or three liquor stores as he’s doing all that, and he never EVER gets a ticket. just$c* has been collectively mooning the ncaa since John McKay was a teenager, and for some reason they never even get pulled over, let alone given a ticket.

But if UCLA does a rolling stop, it’s time for the death penalty.

by Fox 71 on May 10, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

What you forgot to mention

Is that $UC is the mafia and pays the salary of the police department. It must be nice to be a cheating cash cow.
But ultimately, one day, they will suffer the same fate as Al Capone.

by MWbruin on May 10, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm worried

that the NCAA will do something only for this coming year, like a bowl ban etc. Conveniently, this is announced after they got all those recruits for 2010 and it won’t hurt their next recruiting class because the ban will be over.

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on May 11, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Feeling pessimistic today, so here's what I think they'll get:

1. 3 years probation, possibly only 2 for “good behavior”.
2. NO post season ban whatsoever.
3. Loss of 5 rides a year for 2 years
4. Reduction in official visits and number of recruiting days for ONE year, but that’s all the penalty they get on the recruiting front.
5. No receipt of money from Bowl games for 2 years.
6. No vacating of wins or title.
7. Bush doesn’t have to return Heisman, because the NCAA’s top-flight investigation team bet it all on the civil depo, and got bupkis.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on May 11, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I am concerned

that you are right. If they do this type of thing, I hope the ncaa knows the message they are sending to college football. cheat on.

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on May 11, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

death penalty

or at least make the team have to stay in south central for the weekend instead of coming into westwood…

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on May 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

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