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Eyes Locked On: Alabama, Michigan (Along With Bruins) Watching How NCAA Handles Trojans' Dirty Pile

As expected the guys over at Roll Bama Roll did take note of Tony Barnhart's post on the anticipated reaction from Crimson Tide fans if the NCAA lets the Trogan skate away from their pile of scandals. Todd from RBR writes:

Barnhart referenced the sanctions in '02, which I don't think anyone here would argue were unjust.  Fulmer's deal with the devil still rankles us, sure, but we did the crime, etc.  But what does have us up in arms are the recent sanctions imposed over the textbook scandal.  Sure, we didn't lose any scholarships and vacated wins are, effectively, a slap on the wrist, but the NCAA's lack of consistency and refusal to acknowledge it's own precedents in denying our appeal despite the fact that Alabama discovered and reported the violations on it's own and cooperated fully with the SEC and NCAA to investigate the violations is enough to earn the ire of a fanbase without throwing in USC's stonewalling and fingers in the ears attitude towards the NCAA.

Yet Todd along with his other RBR colleagues doesn't think Southern Cal will skate:

Now, do I believe that USC will skate?  Probably not.  As Pete noted not too long ago "if it took this long to decide, write, vet, and publish, this is a deliberate, cover-all-your-bases, upheld-on-appeal, old-school bludgeoning." Again, this thing has dragged on so long that common sense has to dictate the NCAA is locking this down airtight and only the most paranoid among us could honestly believe that the NCAA is dragging its heels because they are letting the Trojans off and aren't looking forward to the backlash.  Of course, if that does turn out to be the case then Barnhart is right about the backlash from Alabama. See y'all in Beijing.

Yet Dave from Maize n Brew is not feeling confident about all of this (as he along with other Wolverine fans are keeping a very close eye on all of this given Michigan like a model institution is also getting ready self-impose sanctions in a legit manner unlike Mike Garrett's dog and pony show of throwing a joke hoops team under the bus):

The thing that concerns me is that Michigan's been in the position of cooperating with the NCAA before on an investigation. It didn't turn out too well. Now Michigan's in the position of being singled out for a countable hour issue that totaled less than a dozen total  hours of practice that nearly every coach in the country admits their program would be in violation of too. Alabama self-reported, self-investigated, and self-sanctioned and still got hit for a universal text-book exchange program.

After years of being called incompetent for their protracted investigation of Reggie Bush, the Committee is finally ready to hand out sanctions. Let's just hope they get all that frustration out of their system before they start dishing out "justice" on us.

The conventional wisdom when it comes to dealing with rules with violations in college athletics had been that an institution can put itself in good position in getting consideration for less severe penalties if it took the initiative to self reporting scandals and dealing with them in a legit manner. Alabama did just that in recent years and didn't catch any break. Michigan is not feeling confident. So the question becomes again what would possibly the rational and believable explanation from the NCAA if it takes the easy route of least resistant and not issue severe penalties on Southern Cal? More after the jump.

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As discussed in the comment threads yesterday not only Southern Cal is the prime candidate for the most severe NCAA penalties, they are the perfect example of when DP should be in play. Given the unprecedented trail of (alleged) corruption they have piled up over the years, I doubt there has been any other program in NCAA's history more deserving of death penalty than Southern Cal.  Plus the DP should be in play if anyone does a straight forward technical interpretation of rules while applying them to serious allegations that are being discussed with regard to this program.

  • Does Southern Cal fall into the category of programs that has not been as meticulous and prompt as Michigan and other programs when it comes to self-reporting (remember NCAA is supposed to come down hard on programs that don't do self-reporting too well)? CHECK
  • Does Southern Cal (based on reports) fall into category of repeat offenders? CHECK
  • Does Southern Cal fit the profile of arrogant and out of control program where (alleged) cheating permeates through more than just one program? CHECK.
  • Does Southern Cal fit the profile of an out of control program with no sense of accountability or awareness of optics by replacing one scandal tainted coach with another one (albeit an incompetent one who has only won 12 games in his career)? CHECK.

Anyway you look at it death penalty should be on the table. That should be the starting point. It makes no sense to keep it off the table.

Of course, we get that in real world the NCAA doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do the right thing and actually enforce its rules (it only enforces rules over institutions that self report apparently). If they did they would start from the discussion of death penalty and settle on a punishment that would be proportionally greater to the kind of punishment that was leveled at Alabama.

So none of us are holding our breath right now for NCAA to do the right thing.  However, that doesn't mean we should be easily accepting for their lack of courage to do the right thing. Perhaps it might help that there is overwhelming national interest - specifically from huge fanbases across the country - in what NCAA will specifically do with Southern Cal.

This is not going to be a matter of skating by bunch of slow, dimwitted, lazy reporters in Southern California's traditional media reporters who can be easily manipulated with leaks and nifty press releases. NCAA will essentially have to render its judgment on allegations coming from whole host of issues concerning how Mike Garrett allowed Pom Pom Petey and Timmeh Floyd to run outlaw programs and then bring in a sleazebag like Hello Kiffin to carry on that dirty show.  The entire country will be watching and examining exactly what the NCAA does with a renegade athletic program with a pile of mess emanating from lot more than just one tarnished Heisman.

GO BRUINS.

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Is it supposed to come out this week?

by Orz on May 18, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I read something yesterday on Slate ...

that really struck me.

The article is an interview with the Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz. I almost posted this yesterday, but decided against it because the article discusses the legal profession and I know there are many attorneys on this site and I didn’t want to get dragged down a path where we were having a discussion of legal ethics. That’s not my point and most of the article is totally unrelated to the matter at hand.

Here is a link to the article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/thewrongstuff/archive/2010/05/12/alan-dershowitz-on-being-wrong-part-i-lawyers-pundits-error-and-evil.aspx

Here is the relevant passage:

Do you think lawyers have an unusually hard time admitting that they’re wrong?

Oh, yeah. I think that lawyers are terrible at admitting that they’re wrong. And not just admitting it; also realizing it. Most lawyers are very successful, and they think that because they’re making money and people think well of them, they must be doing everything right.

I have the same experience with criminals. People ask me all the time, how could X, who’s so rich and so successful, how could he—or in [the late real estate and hotel billionaire Leona] Helmsley’s case, how could she—have been willing to expose herself to prison for a mere million dollars [in tax evasion] when she had three billion in the bank? And the answer is always the same. They didn’t just slip this time. They’ve been doing this since they were kids, and this is the time they got caught. People who have been successful criminals or successful lawyers just do the same thing over and over again, without understanding that at least some of the things they’re doing are mistakes.

As you can see, I wanted to avoid any discussion about whether or not lawyers easily admit their errors. That part is off topic and not important here. What is interesting to me is that second paragraph.

That whole paragraph immediately reminded me of SC football and how they( (allegedly — do I need an allegedly here?) do business. They break the rules and do whatever they want with impunity. And they have been doing so for so long, they don’t even consider whether or not they are breaking rules. They just do what they want. Read what AD says: “They didn’t just slip this time. They’ve been doing this since they were kids, and this is the time they got caught. People who have been successful criminals or successful lawyers just do the same thing over and over again, without understanding that at least some of the things they’re doing are mistakes.”

In any case — I’m usually a skeptic on this stuff. I never really believe there will be sanctions until I see them for myself. I have little confidence or respect for the NCAA or its infractions committee. But I’m starting to think that something has to happen here and I"m starting to believe that because this is much larger than USC vs UCLA. This is USC vs everybody and everybody is going to go berserk if nothing comes of this.

by Achilles on May 18, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

If the enemy of my enemy is my friend...

… then it looks like BN has a whole boatload of new friends hanging around and waiting for the NCAA’s report to come out.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on May 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Like I said yesterday ...

everyone hates SC. They may be our rival, but everyone hates them.

I’m positive of that.

by Achilles on May 18, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I know people all over the country who hate the $ucsters.

by sponkey21 on May 18, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

So true

I have been to college football games all across these United States and one thing rings true: there is no fan base more universally disliked than the SC bandwagon. SC fan = Raider fan + Santa Ana CC member; part thug and and part silver spoon-swallowing douche bag with a never-ending sense of entitlement.

I don’t know if the NCAA has the balls to come down with a harsh penalty, but I do know this. The entire country (other than the part of SoCal covered by the ketchup and mustard stain) will be snickering under their breath if the NCAA grows a pair and does the right thing.

by Karl II on May 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obsession for morons

Bruins obsessed with $uc* like in a Calvin Klein ad? That’s amusing given that, when I think of cologne I think of something sprayed on something to mask the rank reality. One such reality is attending a “university” that costs about 50k a year but is still inferior both academically and athletically to the real University 11 miles away. The rank reality? Yes. The proverbial cologne? Ever hear of the supposed “trogan mafia.”

But I can only speak for myself here. I went to a better school: one that is beyond a shadow of the doubt the greatest in college basketball, has the most NCAA team championships of any school in the nation, receives and rejects more applications than any school in the country, and is where the first node of the Internet was fired up. Surely these speak to our feelings of inferiority.

Back to the cologne. If you have none of that but want to pretend you are superior to that little public school around the corner, what do you do? The rank reality is pretty noticeable. Maybe you spray the cologne on but in your heart you know that’s not enough. So a little diversion is called for. You project your own feelings of inferiority onto someone else.

That, my friends, is why the trogans have the real obsession—with UCLA. Obsession…for trogans

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 18, 2010 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It's actually pathetic how the people over at CC

attempt to mask their inferiority complex with ridiculous speculation that any BRUIN would EVER dream of wanting the Dirty Trogan’s “accomplishments”. Looking at their “accomplishments” this past decade, is like analyzing every baseball player who did ’roids and honestly believing that they belong in the hall of fame. Regardless of where you stand on that issue, Baseball will always be considered Tainted during that era, much like u$c though, they refused to tackle their issues head on, and many attempted to cover it up.

 It’s beyond their comprehension that UCLA simply prepares and produces better products. In fact, even when I was a freshman in high school, I’ll never forget my Tennis coach telling me, “Most of the people who go to u$c are the rich kids who got rejected from UCLA”. And that was coming from the guy who graduated from u$c as a Communications major. I can also say, his father owned the Sports Club where I played tennis, and handed him a job there.

 I never really thought about it, but as I have matured I could instantly determine people who were simply handed a degree, and people who earned one, and how individuals associated with private enterprises have manipulated situations for their individual and personal gains. For some reason this philosophy seems to plague the Trogan campus. And they are ALL in total denial of it! Oh well, I’ll take my education, and EVERY SINGLE accomplishment UCLA has had in the past 30 years, over any Tainted National Football Championship over at Figueroa Tech. Keep your dirty program Trogans, Bruins will always win out in the end!

GO BRUINS!!

by UCLABRU1 on May 19, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear.

Well said

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 19, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually realized this comment is a little late.

So unfortunately, I don’t think any people will really read it. But Cheers Bruins102.

by UCLABRU1 on May 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

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