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While most of us here don't have any kind of confidence in the NCAA to do the right thing with Southern Cal's scandal tainted program the mood over at WeAreSC.com is a little different. There are some very interesting comments from diehard Trojan fans concerning the anticipated NCAA action. Here is a sample (emphasis added throughout):

I think only a portion of what really happened will ever officially be disclosed, the reason this took so long is ( I've heard) we didn't make it easy for the bastards ( I guess I am ok with that too) but as an alum and I speak only for myself, I always want to win by the rules. If that means we lose some games so be it, but play hard and play fair is all I ever ask of our football program ( all sports I should say)

I think USC got a little too caught up in the winning thing and played fast and loose with certain rules and controls. I for one will be glad when this is behind us and as I stated I hope what I was told was not what will happen as it seems severe for the crime as stated, but again, we only know "our" side at the moment.

Yeah, I couldn't believe I read those words either. Props to him for at least taking the first step in admitting rules were not being followed during these past few years at Southern Cal. Some additional examples after the jump.

Star-divide

There was also a comment in which a poster actually recognized that it isn't just about greedy parents of a tarnished Heisman winner:

While everyone has remained fixated on that (Reggie's parents) aspect of the investigation, they've completely taken their eye off of the Mike Ornstein ball.

USC played with fire by allowing Reggie to intern with him, and got burned by both him and Reggie. USC may be held culpable for not exercising thorough due diligence when Reggie appeared with a souped-up car, but I've said all along the Ornstein angle is what will likely bite the USC football program in the butt, if anything.

Couple that with the basketball issues, and perhaps Joe McKnight, and it's easy to see a high tight fastball coming down the pike.

Ooof. There is also talk about "taint" on Carroll's contribution:

It's hard to say this on an SC message board, but too much focus is placed on how this will effect SC ONLY. There is more at stake then that.

The issue is the extent of knowledge that SC either had or should have had under the circumstances or if they've simply played a game of stonewalling the investigation as much as possible.

If that is the net of it, then Trojan fan or not, I have no sympathy for the program and beyond Reggie, it taints Carroll's contribution and his tenure as well.


I'm a college football fan FIRST and an SC fan SECOND. If the program not only FAILED to take the proper steps to avoid the situation but also fostered an environment where these things were tolerated then the program deserves to receive extreme consequences for it.

And responsibilities of Southern Cal officials:

[I]f the NCAA has credible evidence that person(s) at USC knew about the benefits but didn't do any thing about them, then SC is fucked. There's no excuse for that.

I will just end with this note on OJ and Reggie Bush:

Cant disagree about OJ, he's an absolutely despicable individual, but at least he didnt bring down the entire University while he just sat back, smiled, continued to collect his crazy paychecks, and continued to bone famous fat ass chicks. I wish there was a way to force Reggie to contribute to any $$ that the University is required to pay back.

Ugghhh I cant wait any longer, freaking announce the snactions!

Just wow. You can read rest of the thread full of panic and fear among the Trojan "family" right here.

GO BRUINS.

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That that’s more of a cross section of trogan alums than simply trogan “fans”? Just the fact that some of them see that there is something to be tarnished besides just the football program speaks volumes about who the writers are behind the posts.

by Tydides on May 19, 2010 8:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Those guys

… are not going to show a lot of patience when they see the first sign of screw ups from Hello Kiffin. Talk about pressure. Yikes.

by Nestor on May 19, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

And I can’t wait.

by Karl II on May 19, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stonewalling and should have known

Yep.

I’m suprised that he thinks they might have to pay back benefits. I haven’t heard of that but sports is big business for suc and I would like to see them give up TV revenue because that is how the “school” benefitted from ignoring the rules.

I don’t care what they say now, I’ll have no sympathy for suc.

by layout on May 19, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Not benefits, but possibly bowl/NCAA tourney payouts

I don’t believe that SC has to pay back the benefits that Bush/Mayo/etc collected (though I could be mistaken), but they would have to repay any money that the school received based upon team performances in any seasons that are retroactively forfeited or have wins vacated. That would mean that any money that SC got for making the NCAA’s in OJ2’s season, as well as a share of BCS payouts if the football program vacates any wins during Bush’s career.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on May 19, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

comments

i think its interesting that in the first comment he calls the ncaa investigators bastards for daring to investigate suc and that hes ok with suc stonewalling.

by bruinbornandraised on May 19, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

fwiw

the history of NCAA investigations has shown that they do take cooperation with investigators into consideration when deciding upon sanctions, while deceit and obstruction can also be factored in.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on May 19, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

who knew some of them nearly had a grip on reality? Nothing like staring down the barrel of a gun to wake you up, I suppose. Here’s hoping the NCAA has a spine.

by Chris09 on May 19, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

they just got a commit from Deanthony Thomas so I doubt there is any panic. What was supposed to be a good day turned into a nightmare

RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS

by AMM19 on May 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Whatever

I don’t care much for commits in May. I remember the concern trolling over UCLA recruiting last June. Only the ignorants and uninformed were worked up over it.

by Nestor on May 20, 2010 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the NCAA comes down hard on $C

it will be like watching rats escape a sinking ship when all of these early commits bolt

by BruinJD on May 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

McKnight is a very big question

For SC to allow that while they knew they were under investigation is the definition of hubris. (or stupidity, both of which apply to SC) Now, is this latest transgression being lumped in? Or will the NCAA get back to that one after they conclude their Bush/OJ investigation?

Finally, the commenter in question is very right about Mike Ornstein. While SC can claim they had no idea what Bush was up to; It is strictly up to them to know who Bush was interning with and that person’s history. Ornstein has a very shady past, and should have been kept as far from their poster boy as possible. Instead they gave him sideline passes.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 19, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Hubris, stupidity and more

You are right—hubris, stupidity—both were present. I just wish the NCAA would just call it a lack of institutional control—4 magic words. And they probably will. But it grew out of stupidity and rank hubris.

by peggysue69 on May 19, 2010 11:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not ready to salute those trOJies who profess to want to play by the rules

Where was that sense of outrage before the ncaa “investigation?” I didn’t see any comments about “gee, I want to play by the rules” when Yahoo published its findings about either bu$h or OJ2. What I saw were tons of denials and bursts of machine gun fire at the messengers.

Has this guy knocked on the door of Garrett’s office and demanded some reform? I don’t think so.

I think these sorts of comments are guys who are apologizing because of the shame and mortification they are feeling because they got caught, not because they did the deed.

No sympathy for these guys. They are the guys who murdered their parents but are demanding leniency because they’re orphans.

by Fox 71 on May 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Feeling sorry only when you’re caught… any fool can do that

by bruinbunz on May 19, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Once the entire nation is breathing down your neck, some trogans with a little more than half a brain have just now begun to question some of the myriad accusations against them. “Hey, there might be something to all this trogan hate after all.” When you have spent the past 4 years or more in a ketchup and mustard colored stupor—cherry-picking any point that you can unashamedly spin your way—you may say a few words to save face (as one of our astute friends here pointed out) while staring down a shotgun in the morning.

I’m with you Fox, screw them.

You say “touchdown,” I say “Enjoy the $anCtions a**holes

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 20, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't usually read trogan sources

but I was amused to see them trying to shift blame on to Reggie’s parents.

That seems to be their standard defense, deflection.

And if they do get hit with sanctions they are going to excomunicate Reggie.

I don’t see any real owning up just scapegoats.

They’ll never admit to doing anything wrong, it is always “them”.

by layout on May 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sc opinions

I have three friends who are SCalumni though only one played and only according to Mike Garrett a minor sport. One has been so mad since the Bush thing started that his grandchildren will not attend SC and he has contibuted nothing and urging other of his fellow alumni to keep buying football tickets and give them away to non-fans. He is really pissed. Another says what did anyone expect in view of fraudulent academics. The ex-athlete says Garrett should follow Sample and Carr9oll and get the hell out of town.

by john4justice on May 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

It kills me that

even with sanctions looming they continue to stock pile talent at positions that are already strong. Man i hope the hated ones get what they deserve!!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on May 19, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

until they sign a dotted line...

Neuheisal will go after them, don’t fret over early commits just yet. Remember D. Riley

Bruin for life!!!!
You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden

by g.granillo on May 19, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

but it does raise a question as to how a program looking over their shoulder at coming sanctions can sell these kids on their program? DeAnthony Thomas now says he’ll play for the hated ones as reported on inside ucla.
Is Lame promising them the world? cold hard cash?

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on May 20, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cold hard cash.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 20, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Cash, lots of BS, as Lamer said himslef, the kids aren’t “UCLA” kids after all.

by Bruin'96 on May 20, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

And remember

there are no academic requirements to play at U$C*. A lot of these kids would rather be able to skate through school and get to play football afterwards than have to study and be eligible for UCLA. Many of these kids aren’t really Trogan fans, they’re just using it as a stepping stone to the NFL because they won’t have to study at U$C* either.

That’s the whole appeal of the U$C* football program: you get a lot of exposure through their brand name and won’t have to work hard in the classroom to stay eligible. Just play football.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on May 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

as Dean Wormer would say

“I hate those guys”

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on May 20, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tom Kelly--trojan homer

This afternoon, Tom Kelly, retired trojan announcer, introduced Mike “I See No Evil” Garrett at the annual CHP Day luncheon in Montebello. Garrett spoke on leadership. During his introduction, Kelly admitted that as an announcer he was a “homer.” That was no news flash.

Then Kelly defended Garrett stating the AD was responsible for the welfare of 624 athletes. Kelly then said something to the effect of how hard it is to keep track of more than 620 athletes. And the AD is a man of integrity who will not duck difficult problems. That’s a paraphrase but pretty close.

This is a preview of the trojan defense once the NCAA does whatever it is going to do. There are too many athletes to supervise (and you know, kids will be kids) and by gosh Mike did the darn best he could under these very difficult circumstances. Problem is—how come no other athletic director has had this problem?

by peggysue69 on May 19, 2010 11:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Crazy that no school has thought up of a way to keep track of athletes and NCAA regulations

One would think that some athletic director would have thought to hire somebody, lets call them a compliance officer, whose main job is to ensure that student-athletes follow the regulations handed down by the NCAA. A really enlightened athletic director could actually hire an entire support staff to allow the athletic department to have an idea what an admittedly large number of student athletes are doing. Lets call that a compliance office.

Of course, Mike Garrett never had the resources under his control to keep track of his athletes in such a way. Nope, not one bit.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on May 19, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Patroclus--you are a wizard!

Although your post is classic satire, it goes to the heart of a leader’s obligation—to organize in order to accomplish the institutional mission. Here there was some other institutional mission; i.e. winning.

by peggysue69 on May 19, 2010 11:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

slightly ot

198 days now until kickoff against sc.

by peggysue69 on May 20, 2010 12:01 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I am going to borrow a few things from a comment i made in a different thread but,

I have read ridiculous speculation that any BRUIN would EVER dream of wanting the Dirty Trogan’s "accomplishments". Looking at their "accomplishments" this past decade, is like analyzing every baseball player who did ’roids and honestly believing that they belong in the hall of fame. Regardless of where you stand on that issue, Baseball will always be considered Tainted during that era, much like u$c though, they refused to tackle their issues head on, and many attempted to cover it up.

 It’s beyond their comprehension that UCLA simply prepares and produces better products. In fact, even when I was a freshman in high school, I’ll never forget my Tennis coach telling me, "Most of the people who go to u$c are the rich kids who got rejected from UCLA". And that was coming from the guy who graduated from u$c as a Communications major. I can also say, his father owned the Sports Club and handed him a job there.

For whatever reason, individuals associated with private enterprises have manipulated situations for their individual and personal gains. It’s encouraging to actually see some trogans accepting the possibility that certain individuals may have looked for the cheap and easy way to win. However ALL those “geniuses” over at CC are in total denial of it! Oh well, I’ll take my education, and EVERY SINGLE accomplishment UCLA has had in the past 30 years, over any Tainted National Football Championship over at Figueroa Tech. Keep your dirty program Trogans, Bruins will always win out in the end!

by UCLABRU1 on May 20, 2010 12:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey did you hear?

All we have is Francis Ford Coppola, the greatest living director. I’ll see your Star Wars and Godfather III and raise you a Phantom Menace, Godfather I and II, and an Apocalypse Now.

You lose again. $c* = Epic fail.

Oh, btw, I was manager of a McDonald’s once and I had to fire 10 $c guys for incompetence. Had to make the retarded kid associate manager.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 20, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good points

In the IMDb (Internet’s largest movie website) Top 250, which is voted on by users, Godfather I and II, are ranked #2 and #3, respectively. The top movie of all time, according movie watchers, is The Shawshank Redemption. Guess who stars in that movie? That’s right, another Bruin, Tim Robbins.

Not only did a Bruin direct Godfather I and II, which many (if not most) would consider the two greatest movies of all time, Bruins were the driving forces behind the three greatest movies of all time, according the movie viewers.

by truebluebruin on May 21, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fox 71 writes:

“Has this guy knocked on the door of Garrett’s office and demanded some reform? I don’t think so.”

Fox, to be fair, did we go knock on J. D. Morgan’s door when there were rumors of recruiting favors back in ‘68-’69? Yes, it was no more than a whiff of bad air versus the foul stench that has always emanated from over on Figueroa..

..but winning is a powerful narcotic greatly reducing fans’ moral indignation.

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by WHP '68 on May 20, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I never heard anything about illegal recruiting back then.

I remember the big deal when James McAllister got some sort of waiver on his GPA or his SAT or something. And I remember that Mickey Cureton had about a million parking tickets on the floor of his car which he parked by the ramp going down into Pauley. Maybe someone paid those tickets for him – I just assume the University waived them somehow.

But that’s it. I knew only a couple of guys who played, and those guys I knew from class. Mo Friedman (the only Jewish lineman that I can remember) and Vic Lepisto took Mrs. Bell’s PE 136, which was so incredibly easy that something like 10,000 kids signed up for it the second time it was offerred, and the school made it clear that it was NOT going to be a Mickey Mouse class. Mo, Vic and about 10 other people (including me) lucked out and got it the first time it was offerred. But it wasn’t like Senora Ross, where year in and year out it was available and basically mandatory for the football team.

Bill, you played and know more than most. I know I didn’t see it back when I was there. We had no internet, obviously, and not so much information was available. But I don’t think it was happening. I would like to think that I would have knocked on J.D. Morgan’s door if I had known anything, but I had no reason to think about doing that.

But it’s surely a fair question to ask.

by Fox 71 on May 20, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Billy Don Jackson Situation

Is the worst stain on the UCLA record. He was a top defensive line in the late 80’s who was later convicted of murder. During the trial, it was revealed that he was a functional illiterate, meaning that fake test scores were needed for his admission, and a tremendous amount of cheating was necessary to keep him eligible for three years.

by 75NatChamps on May 20, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't remember that guy

I was living in Kansas City at the time, so that might explain it.

Anyway, you mention that he’s a functional illiterate and a murder. Are you sure you don’t have him confused with someone across town? Functional illiteracy? Check. Murderer? Check. Yep, 75, you have your wires crossed here a bit. You’re talking trOJan football for sure.

by Fox 71 on May 21, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yet ...

Billy Don Jackson was able to turn his life around. He attended UCLA while I was there and we stayed in the same dorm. What I remember about him was that he loved to play chess and that he came across as a bright, big-hearted, fun-loving guy, not at all the stereotype entitled athlete. Nobody was more surprised than I when, a few years later, he was convicted of manslaughter and the revelations came out regarding his illiteracy. Dumb people typically do not have an affinity for chess, so my guess is that he had some sort of undiagnosed/untreated learning disability that made it difficult for him to read.

by snorkeldorf on May 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why unpunished cheating is so bad!

Sooner or later, those who play by the rules and constantly lose are going to convince themselves that they cannot win without cheating. With so much money and prestige to be gained or lost, even the most honest, ethical, and moral organizations (and their leaders) will start bending the rules to win if there is not a level playing field. This is just what the Trogans are counting on. They want to see CRN caught bending or breaking the rules so they can say everyone does it therefore they are justified.

by Chicago Bruin on May 20, 2010 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I am getting suckered in yet again...

As typical with my attitude on all things related to UCLA sports, I am getting suckered into some very positive thinking here. While I tell myself that sc will get no more than a slap on the wrist, I find myself thinking that the longer it takes for the NCAA to rule here, the harder sc is going to get pounded. If it was just going to be a minor slap, wouldn’t the NCAA be done with it already?

by RealisticBruinFan on May 20, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you're right...

but I may also be overly optimistic that the NCAA will do the right thing.

by Chicago Bruin on May 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're right...

but I may also be overly optimistic that the NCAA will do the right thing.

by Chicago Bruin on May 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just had deja vu

all over again.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on May 20, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are very much on the right track

and I have been hearing some chatter that the infractions committee recommended penalties are harsher than anyone has imagined they would be, which has led to some 11th hour “discussions” in the NCAA as we speak.

I have a strong feeling that we are in for a pleasant surprise in the next few days. Just have a feeling.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on May 21, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that a couple days have passed since the rumor broke,

their discussion has devolved in to arguing and personal attacks. It’s pretty sad.

Maybe the NCAA was trying to find the source of a leak so that they can plug it. Lol!

by layout on May 20, 2010 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Leaks

Not everyone loves the AD but if there are bits of info filtering out it could be a plant or comming from,pardon the expression, an academic administrative department

by john4justice on May 20, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

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