Mid-Spring Ben Ball Update
Now that we are well into the Spring signing period, this seems a good time to take another look into the status of next year's squad. While the Bruins have not seen any particularly big splashes since the end of last season, the departures of Bobo Morgan and Mike Moser, as well as the signing of Indiana prep guard Matt Carlino and rumors surrounding a couple more players from Orange County (by way of Chapel Hill) possibly coming to Westwood have provided some further level of departure for the program from last year's Drago-fueled malaise.
At this moment, the Bruins have 10 scholarship players slated for the 2010-11 squad:
| PG | Lazeric Jones (tJr, 6'1, 200) | Jerime Anderson (Jr, 6'2, 174) | |
| SG | Malcolm Lee (Jr, 6'4, 191) | Tyler Lamb (Fr, 6'4, 190) | Matt Carlino (Fr, 6'2, 170) |
| SF | Tyler Honeycutt (So, 6'7, 178) | ||
| PF | Reeves Nelson (So, 6'8, 228) | Brendan Lane (So, 6'9, 205) | |
| C | Josh Smith (Fr, 6'9, 300) | Anthony Stover (rFr, 6'10, 225) |
At this point, I have Lazeric Jones penciled in as the Bruins' starting PG. I don't know how the point guard battle will shake out in the fall, but there is no way in good conscience that right now I can call Jerime a starting PG in this conference. Not to be mean to JA, and like some here, I have not completely given up hope that he can become a contributor before his time in Westwood is up. But we all saw last season, and not all of us have yet been able to repress those memories. Also, there has been some discussion regarding which position holds the greatest promise for CBH's latest commit. I don't have any particular insight into whether Carlino is destined to play the 2, or if his desire to play the point will win out. For now, Scout.com rates him as a shooting guard prospect, and i'll stick with that here.
A few more notes on this early depth chart, and our remaining rides after the jump.
Whatever one thinks of our point guard situation, the ability of our super-sophs to take the next step toward stardom, or the talent and readyness of the incoming class, there is no getting around the fact that next year will see another young, relatively inexperienced team defending John and Nell Wooden Court. The Bruins will feature only 5 players that have seen D-1 action, plus 1 player with JC experience. The trio of Lee, Honeycutt and Nelson that - together with Jones and Smith - will likely compose the starting lineup do account for more games started for UCLA than the initial starting 5 from last year's squad, though without the extensive supporting experience that Michael Roll and James Keefe brought to that team.
That said, Ben Howland does have 3 scholarships remaining at his disposal, and he has stated his willingness to use them all up this spring. The leading candidates to take two of those rides would not actually be eligible to play for UCLA in the upcoming season. As was earlier posted here, the Wear twins (David and Travis) have decided to leave North Carolina after one year in Chapel Hill. For those of you that may be out of the recruiting loop, David and Travis Wear are both 6'10" forwards, who after prep careers at Mater Dei (playing alongside incoming freshman guard Tyler Lamb) capped with each being named McD All-Americans, the twins committed to UNC after a recruiting battle that involved most, if not all of the Pac-10, notably Arizona and UCLA. Much of the opinion surrounding the twins move has them returning to the west coast, with UCLA as their most likely destination. Under NCAA transfer rules, the twins would not be eligible to play for the Bruins (or anyone else) until the 2011-12 season, when they will be redshirt sophomores, but they would be able to participate in practices during the upcoming season. If the popular opinion bears out, the Bruins will be left with one open ride remaining for next fall's squad.
While the pickings are slim among high-level recruits at this stage in the recruiting process, some feel that there is a hidden gem sitting near Sacramento that the Bruins have targeted. Coach Howland has offered French native Remi Barry, a 6'7 forward who after playing two years for a Florida prep school (remind you of anybody?), transfered to Del Oro-Loomis, though not without significant controversy which led the CIF to rule him ineligible to participate in the 2009-10 high school season. Interestingly, in addition to Pac-10 programs such as Arizona, ASU and Cal vying for Barry's commitment, the nation's now-second largest oil slick is making a late push to bring Remi to New York (he does have family living on Long Island). To be completely accurate, Barry is not a complete mystery; he was highly regarded early in his prep tenure, but fell off the radar of most recruiting experts after leaving his Florida high school to return to France during his junior year. He is seen by some observers as a legit NBA-prospect.
While the Bruins have made a late run at a number of players - connecting on Carlino, and with the prospect of bringing the above three players into the fold - one area that has not been addressed during the signing period is the frontcourt, which with the departures of Drew Gordon and Morgan has gone from a very well stocked part of the roster to a surprisingly shallow (and young) foursome of players over the course of a year. While the Wears' may have an impact at the 4, that prospect is a year away. For the 2010-11 season, the frontcourt positions are manned as follows:
C: Josh Smith, Anthony Stover. Smith is undoubtedly a talented player, but there are some concerns regarding his conditioning. While the main concerns came about due to his performance in games just after his return to the court from an injury, he certainly has work to do before he can become the central figure in the post. His plan to work out with Kevin Love over the summer in Westwood is an encouraging step in the right direction, not just for the diet/conditioning aspect, but to learn what CBH expects from a Center in his system from the best to play in that role for Howland. At this point, I don't yet have enough of a grasp on Stover to know what to expect. With what I imagine will be limits on Smith's effective playing time, particularly early in the season, the #2 spot at Center will be a crucial role to fill; whether Stover can earn the job, or whether Reeves Nelson has to slide over to cover (leaving Lane as the sole available 4 at those times).
PF: Reeves Nelson, Brendan Lane. The series of ankle injuries suffered by Lane over the course of the last year , and the off-season surgery that was necessitated struck a blow. Though hobbled by the end of his freshman season, Lane showed promise, and with that the prospect of a greater role on an improving squad. While his recovery from ankle surgery should not prevent him from being ready in the Fall, he is expected to be out of action until September, forcing him to miss the famous UCLA summer pickup games, as well as other opportunities to improve his game plus his strength and conditioning. Given the lack of depth at the 4 - particularly if Nelson has to spend time at the 5 - both Nelson and Lane have to cut down on their fouls. Over the course of Pac-10 play last season, Nelson committed an average of 4.5 fouls/40 minutes played (3.9/40 over the whole season), while Lane committed 5.2 fouls/40 minutes (5.5/40 over the whole season). While it is normal that a player will learn to play smarter, and begin to cut down on fouls after their freshman year, it is of particular importance here due not only to their sole coverage of the 4, but also having two freshmen playing alongside them at the 5, players who can be expected to have some issues with whistles of their own.
At this point in time, there is little that can be done regarding the frontcourt for the upcoming season; the departures of Gordon and Morgan, though seemingly necessary for the health of the program, did leave the squad a bit thin at those positions. Even if CBH still has a scholarship free, I don't know of any uncommitted players at the 4 or 5 worth going after that could be effective contributors for the Bruins in 2010-11. I do hope that I am making a bigger deal of this than it is worth. Time will tell.
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I'm definitely concerned about Lane's injuries
Aside from Honeycutt, I felt Lane was a bit too lean and could benefit from conditioning and bulking up the most. When I read about the injury, I was worried. This, in addition to Josh Smith’s weight issues, makes me feel like we might have a very shallow front court and due to that year of ineligibility, even recruiting the Wear twins won’t help next season.
Shallow, yes...
I do believe that in terms of the season as a whole, the frontcourt situation is manageable. At least assuming no major injuries (something that we can’t really assume given the recent history of the team) and that Stover’s game has progressed enough during his redshirt year to be able to contribute (I have seen a couple of encouraging reports, but not enough to be too confident yet). The circumstances that may arise within a particular game are what could really sting, though as DCBruins mentions further down in the comments, playing TH a bit at the 4 as circumstances dictate, with Lee/Lamb shifting up is a possibility.
Of course, if Lane’s ankle becomes a chronic ailment, Stover isn’t yet ready for primetime, or someone (gasp) gets injured over the course of the season… Let’s just not think about that right now.
formerly bruinhoo
"now-second largest oil slick"
Classic phrase. One of those that makes me think “wish I had thought of that!”
On a more serious note lot to chew on here. One thing to throw out here for people’s consideration (specifically those who have seen Lamb play). Can he give us some mins at SF? Just something to think about.
Good read P.
I can't find the link on Lamb now
But in at least one profile article it mentioned that he “always covered the other team’s best player” or some such. This leads me to believe he can play SF and more importantly cover a SF. Also, I am of the belief that in a CBH system on offense there is not much difference between 2 and 3. Thus I think ML could also play 3 in certain situations.
I was thinking that too
Given Lee still has to work on shooting … if it works out … Howland could potentially use Lee at 3 and Lamb at 2 (if Lamb turns out to be a good shooter) … to give Honeycutt rest.
I've never seen Lamb in person
but in this scenario I would imagine Lee would defend whoever the better scorer was between the opposing team’s 2 or 3, and Lamb could pick up the other. I really hope Lamb can contribute some solid defense and stay in front of opposing team’s wing players.
agreed
Lee’s offensive game is suited to the 3, and he has the athleticism (if not necessarily the height/length) to compete with 3s.
Our lack of outside shooting could be a major concern… a lot of CBH’s offense to date has been predicated on creating good looks for outside shooters, and then using the threat of the outside shot to open up other things. Assuming for a moment that ML and JA have shown us all they are going to show us from the outside, we seem to be hoping that two of TH, LJ, TL or maybe even BL develop some consistent outside game.
by britishbruin on May 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
we have a really high-Beta next year
If Smith and Jones can both be solid as freshman, Nelson takes a solid sophomore jump, Honeycutt blows up and Lee plays day-in and day-out like the Notre Dame, we will be strong.
If Smith and Jones struggle and Lee is pretty much the same (I see Nelson and Honeycutt being at least just as good as last year, which I thought was pretty good), we are in for another long season.
by RealisticBruinFan on May 24, 2010 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
totally agree
I am expecting good things from Smith and Lamb but probably should not get my hopes up. The big question for me is how Jones comes in and plays or how JA develops his game in the off season.
Too many “ifs” to get comfortable
Well done Patroclus
Looking at the line up in this manner, it is really shocking to me how thin we are. But, I’m starting to like our core again, and if this coming year is a return to Howland’s core beliefs, it should be a good exercise in seasoning of the young guns. I’m looking forward to seeing progress in Honeycutt and Nelson. I think they have an awful lot of upside.
Go Bruins.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
The old rotation debate, 8 man version.
Great food for thought Patroculus. Let me say my quibble is with a depth chart that does not double list players. In other words in a practical sense, many coaches (CBH included) don’t sub position for position but rather have a few subs and also move starters around a bit. As mexi mentions we are thin which may also argue for using fewer players in the regular rotation.
Let me preface this by saying ALL would agree that you need to play more players early in the season and this is more important for a CBH team as it always seems to be hit by injuries.
Let me also say, I am not trying to start the debate over how many players a team should play when the games start to “really count.” But for the sake of this post let’s assume CBH plays an 8 man rotation by the end of the season. Lastly, I will also assume the starting lineup Patroclus creates.
in a 8 man rotation, the backups are like this:
PG. Carlino or Anderson.
SG. Lamb, Carlino, or Anderson
SF. Lamb or Lee.
PF Lane or TH.
C. Nelson, Stover, or Lane.
Thus there are a lot of variations but it boils down to:
1. Backup PG. Carlino and Anderson are going to fight it out for minutes. It is unlikely both of them will play meaningful minutes at the end of the year.
2. Backup Wing (Shooting Guard or Forward.) I believe Malcolm Lee could play 3 if he needed to do so. Tyler Lamb is in the best spot to play serious minutes off the bench and be the 6th man. If he is another Orange County bust or gets hurt, JA will have a shot to play some at a position(2) I believe he is better suited for or Carlino could really be a combo guard. Of course neither of these combinations are ideal because it would make us small. It is likely Lamb plays the most minutes off the bench.
3. Bigs. I realize we will not play Stover and Smith together so this could be 2 positions. However, I think this may be a battle between Lane and Stover and to a lesser extent Nelson.
Scenario 1. RN and TH are both very good rebounders and I could really see TH playing backup 4. TH has a habit of making bad reach fouls and may not be ready to cover all the athletic 3s for 30+ minutes a night without getting in foul trouble. He is also a good weak side defender and shot blocker. That is tougher from the 3 spot than the 4. I think TH, especially if RN does not commit to defense may see some meaningful minutes at 4. This means either Stover backs up Smith or RN does with Lamb playing a lot of minutes to allow everyone to move up a position. Lane (and maybe Stover) is the odd man out.
Scenario 2. Lane has a great sub mentality. He comes in and makes things happen, good and bad but always goes all out. In the trogans game he hurt us but in the OR game Lane played so well that CBH admitted he made a mistake (that likely cost us the game) in not playing Lane more. Lane’s foul problems are not as big a problem in limited minutes. Lane is the hustle guy. The problem is he a toothpick and can’t shoot from outside. If Lane is the backup big he is the Keefe player. He is selfless and plays his heart out backing up Nelson at 4. Remember before Lane was hurt, he briefly started for Nelson as an undersized 5 in part because Nelson did not always commit to defense. CBH’s M2M teams double bigs well and this could allow Lane to play a few minutes at 4 or 5. Of course, a lot of this depends on Lane’s health. I think it likely Lane is the backup big.
9 seems the way for next year's squad
With 2 genuine scholarship centers, I don’t see Lane/Nelson playing much 5 unless there is a real disaster. Maybe one of them gets ~5 mins a game at the 5 just to get them some extra minutes on top of the minutes they are splitting at the 4. I also suspect that Lane will be less of a toothpick next year and will have decent range on his shot as well (at least enough to spread the floor as a mid-range threat, possibly more). If he can stay healthy, I think he can be more of a contributor over his career than JK was able to be.
by britishbruin on May 24, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes and no
I went for 8 for this post just to keep it relatively short. But nine is a likely number against a team with good bigs and where fouls are likely. I bet the ninth man plays more in the first half though then second. CBH does not like to go too deep when it counts. Of course this is all guessing at this point re: Lane’s health and Stover.
agree with past history to a point
but this is a curious situation – JS2 seen as the presumptive starting center but may not be able to play huge minutes and AS getting good reviews over his redshirt season; and two PFs that offer pretty different skill sets from each other, it seems. Last time we had this many bigs we did find minutes for LMR and PAA behind RH and LRMAM – not huge minutes, but significant minutes. We played DC as the first guard off the bench that year because of the flexibility we had with him and JF both able to play the 1 and 2; but it seems that our guards will have more defined roles and less flexibility next year.
by britishbruin on May 25, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions























