Tick tock tick tock: are we there yet?
Another post documenting how it's not just us.
Alabama fans are keep a close eye on NCAA "investigation" into Southern Cal. Penn State fans want Trojan "blood." Michigan fans have been anxious and were just embarrassed that their school was even being mentioned in the same breath as Mikey Garrett's program. Now another Michigan fan Brian Cook (from MGoBlog) writes on the Sporting News:
I'm inclined to see this [time period of 14+ weeks that have "elapsed since the bellhops stopped shoving around boxes of documents about Reggie Bush." - BN Ed.] as another tiny bit of circumstantial evidence that USC's going to get hammered like no school since SMU, but I fully admit I see circumstantial evidence USC is going to get hammered in weather patterns these days, and my opinion cannot be considered reliable. I still hang on to the NCAA rejecting USC's request to self-impose sanctions as an indicator they are planning something unprecedented with the case, something that would require a clear board before they drop a bomb. What could that be? Long-term sanctions starting after this year coupled with the invalidation of signed LOIs and removal of transfer restrictions on USC players is the best combination of punishment for the institution without harming the players.
If, of course, the NCAA decides to do much at all. I imagine that if they weren't going to drop a bomb, however, they could have wrapped this up in something less than four months.
As I said all along ... not just UCLA fans ... the eyes of the entire college football world is on the NCAA. Tick tock tick tock.
GO BRUINS.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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ugh. I don't know.
The longer they take, the more convinced I become that Justice will not be served. It’s like when a friend tells you to watch a movie and just won’t stop hyping it up. By the time you do see it, there is no way you are going to be satisfied.
Second, I honestly doubt anybody will leave SC. M Garrett has a plan for surviving NCAA Sanctions; cheat even more. They loaded up on recruits after last season for just this purpose, and I’m sure that they included language in their contracts with said recruits that they have to stay during the duration of the sanctions if they want to be as overpaid as they are.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Actually, I feel just the opposite
A penalty on the lighter side would have been dealt swiftly and without much fanfare. I have a strong feeling (and have heard some chatter along the same lines) that the penalties are actually quite harsh, and the committee is in a last-minute discussion stage to try and come up with something “palatable”. You also have the logistical problems dealing with the coimmittee members spread out across the country and time zones and juggling everyone’s regular jobs/schedules.
I am predicting that the penalty will be strong enough to send a message to Southern Cal and the rest of college football, but probably not as harsh as what the committee originally had set out to deliver.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I agree. I think $C is going to get hammered.
The other possibility, however, is that there is still a lot of disagreement among the members of the NCAA infractions committee and they are still arguing about what sanctions should be imposed upon the most corrupt college athletics program in history.
by Chicago Bruin on May 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the 'free to transfer' concept he proposes.
I have no idea if it’s standard practice or not when penalties are imposed on a school, but if not, it should be.
That's the thing.
I think they will make sure their guys are payed well enough to stay around no matter what. There is no limit to what they’ll do to stay relevant.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
If they're willing to put up 4 million a year
For a coach as ridiculously unaccomplished as Lame, then your point appears to have generous backing.
that number
was apparently way overstated, as was Monte’s reported 2 mil salary. Also, would $C really be dumb enough to do that immediately after getting slammed? Then again, this is $C we are talking about.
by Captain Leebeard on May 27, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
according to who?
I realize coverup hall doesn’t release the info so confirmation one way or the other is pretty hard to come by, but unless HBO real sports retracted their statement, I prefer to believe $c is just that dumb.
I didnt hear that either
If you have any links, Leebeard, please post. :)
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
ESPN and Yahoo still report the $4 million/$2 million figures
based upon the HBO report, but they have not published any sort of correction/retraction of their stories.
The OC Register’s sc blog posted the following (revised) salaries from the Real Sports segment:
FINAL VERSION
* Lane Kiffin = "just under" $4 million
* Monte Kiffin = "almost" $2 million
formerly bruinhoo
It is a standard practice for serious violations
I have to refresh my memory, but I believe the trigger is a bowl ban. Players whose normal eligibility (ie. not counting unused redshirt years) would lapse before the ban is completed are freed to transfer to any other D-1a (FBS) school without having to sit out a year. Don’t recall if the Pac-10 has further restrictions in inter-conference transfers (the ACC does, for example), or if that NCAA practice would also waive such a restriction.
formerly bruinhoo
I've been wondering about the Pac 10.
I wonder if, after the NCAA has pronounced it’s decision; does it have the testicular fortitude to weigh in with sanctions of it’s own?
I’m not overly optimistic.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Free to Transfer
If my memory serves me right when Bama got hammered during the time Francione was coach, infractions were before his hiring at least all seniors to be were allowed to transfer without sitting out a year. He gave the big hold the rope speech, talking all the players into staying, and then took the first plane out of Tuscaloosa without even saying goodbye to the team. He went to Texas A&M where karma bit him on the ass.
Seriously
I keep checking ESPN every morning and afternoon waiting to hear word on the long delayed punishment the NCAA is going to level at $c. The wait is killing me.
Victory or until next year!
LOL. I've been checking BN
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
The only way espn breaks the story first
is if the NCAA asks for tWWL’s approval of $uc’s sanctions.
I have a dang GOOGLE ALERT
set up! Keywords are “usc” and “sanctions”. I get things ALL DAY LONG because everyone is talking about it. I keep waiting for the real thing!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
I have Google News search
set for “usc ncaa” that I leave open on one tab and refresh throughout the day – have done so all week. One of these years…
Taking forever!!!!
The news to come out sooner than later so we can get a nice recruiting edge before the season even starts. Come on NCAA, harsh and swift!!!!!!!
I know we have a vested interest
but really it should be irrelevant to us. The only thing I care about is a leveling of the playing field from this point forward. If the penalties are strong enough to curtail their shenanigans, then that’s fine by me.
Whether the penalties are strong or soft, we still got to go beat these guys on the field. That’s really all that matters.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I don't think anything will curtail their activities.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
No
That’s not all that matters.
Because by that logic, no one should be held accountable for past transgressions. That little line you have in your signature? Doesn’t matter. It’s in the past. How about the green light it gives to athletic departments across the country if they don’t hand down a just and fitting punishment for what they’ve done? Doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t have to do with us beating SUC.
This is not only relevant to us, but to the rest of college football, and perhaps even college sports as a whole.
That’s why this whole “beat them on the field” line is myopic and irrelevant. Beating them on the field is not mutually exclusive with the NCAA enforcing their own rules; the rules that all member schools agree to abide by. Letting the trogans skate on this not only casts doubt on the NCAA’s ability to enforce any of their rules, but calls into question the legitimacy of any athletic competitions held under their banner. Anyone who is disenchanted with the world of professional sports because of the money involved will get to see the same thing happen at the college level. Now won’t that be fun?
But hey, it doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t have anything to do with beating SUC.
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They have had years of an unfair advantage, nice swift blow will return things to a better state faster.
Regardless, no excuses we do need to beat their ******** on the field.
By the way, I think we have a new record
There are 20 or so comments, and no one has yet said, “Yeah, but we still have to beat them on the field.”
Or to put it another way, “Good luck, Stryker, we’re all counting on you.”
10:32 AM PDT
Whether the penalties are strong or soft, we still got to go beat these guys on the field. That’s really all that matters.
And don't call me Shirley...
Good Airplane reference there. :)
I think their stock is on the way down and ours is on the way up. It’s happened before. I still think Cheaty saw the writing on the wall and skeedadled to Seattle.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
Ultimately, beating them on the field is all that matters
but that supposes, at least to my mind, a level playing field. If they are allowed to cheat, turn a blind-eye to players getting paid, low academic standards, steroids, etc., etc., how is that a level playing field? How are our guys expected to win under conditions like that?
I guess I would say that it matters to our chances of winning and therefore our anticipation that the NCAA will level the playing field is a legitimate topic of debate amongst Bruins. We bear the brunt of this rivalry so therefore, we have a vested interest in any decision. It does matter in that regard.
If we are forced to play a team with the odds stacked against us and are only concerned about overcoming everything they throw at us compares with the Washington Generals. If we allow cheating to continue and do not at the very least insure a level playing field, all the intentions of winning do not change the fact that we will probably lose. I will not handicap our team by suggesting we shouldn’t worry about the improprieties of the other teams we face. Contests imply fairness and if they do not they are not worth contesting in my opinion.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
Personally I have the feeling...
This was already purposely being dragged out…and by the time it hits…USC will already suck because
1. Their baseball team sucks. That’s all I need to say.
2. Lame Kitten will have a crappy year coupled by his annual loss to UCLA.
3. Their basketball team will never be great. That’s all I need to say.
At that point by the time sanctions (whatever it may be) kicks in, the school will already suck. It’s just icing on the cake when the NCAA kicks the school while it’s down.
I would’ve preferred to see this happen when Petey was there and have it stain his NFL prospects, etc. But alas, the world if fair.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
It's being dragged out
because the NCAA lawyers know $uc* is going to try and drag them into court. We’ll see how that goes. But the lawyers are probably going over every detail with a fine-toothed comb.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
If it goes to court, I will volunteer my services to the ncaa
A party to an actual lawsuit in an actual civil court means that the actual discovery rules apply. I don’t think just$c* can survive thorough discovery. They can’t have sanitized their files well enough. They can’t have paid their ex-employees enough. At least one of the former “student” athletes will be disgruntled. Somebody will eventually turn over when they’re sitting in a depo. At least one computer will not have had the hard drive taken out and broken to smithereens.
On the other hand, just$c* has a well-earned reputation for stupidity (e.g., the salary they’re paying Lame), and their institutional arrogance is probably also telling them that they will never get caught, so maybe they’ll be stupid and arrogant enough to get into a courtroom where they will have to tell the truth. How about USDC Judge Cormac Carney, who I think is in Orange County? I think he has the ideal judicial temperment to preside over the destruction of just$c*. His background seems OK, too.
This sounds like something
CTO should sell tickets to!
Just trying to imagine how the pre-discovery conference would go
I’ve heard you say this before and if you don’t stop I expect you to be receiving a call from the NCAA anytime now. Now can you click off some pro-bono hours with the state bar that way? Hmmm.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on May 28, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I only hope I'll live long enough for them to call.
I wouldn’t demand to depose Cheatie Petie. I would start with a custodian of records depo, and find out about guys who were given scholarships but then were cut. Or guys like Little Percy, who wouldn’t be expected to have a great loyalty to just$c. I would identify all the ex-employees of the athletic department. Someone will have saved some memo or e-mail to be used to leverage a raise. I would send a squadron of smart computer people in, and take every single hard drive and copy it. I would look for things and depose people who are outside the club first. Then work my way up.
A friend of mine takes the most absolutely horrible depos – horrible in the sense that you can’t prepare your client for them. He uses the “impropers”. So with Timmeh, for example, I would ask whether things are improper. I wouldn’t ask if he did them. I would just ask if they’re improper. “So Timmeh, would it be improper to offer anything outside the ncaa guidelines to a player?” “Would it be improper to allow athletes to be given stuff by others?” “Would it be improper to know about an ncaa violation and not report it.” Just sort of drift around the periphery and ask him questions which he has to answer affirmatively.
Never asked you
Do you specialize in discovery?
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
Sorry, this was for Fox 71
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on May 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
No one specializes in discovery.
That’s like being permanently assigned to clean restrooms.
What just$c* is doing is basically just another kind of fraud. The conduct might not always fit the classic definition of “five finger fraud,” but they are cheating. A cheater always has something to hide. When it is institutional cheating, there are more opportunities to uncover the fraud. The best example, of course, is Watergate. The Yahoo Sports Reporters of that era, Woodward and Bernstein, just kept digging. They found evidence, and they linked that evidence to other things, and they used what they learned to get more bits and pieces out of more people. Once enough of that happens, the story tends to fall apart quickly.
With just$c*, one of the first questions has to be the identity of people who have the knowledge you want. Accept as a given that the guys at the top have it, and are not stupid enough to admit anything, even when they’re caught red-handed. So instead of hacking at the top with a battle axe, it’s better to pick at the bottom with a toothpick. Remember McKnight’s statement about being picked up in a limo? That kind of little thing is the thing that you can start picking at.
I always wanted to find disgruntled ex employees. They have an obvious bias, and can be impeached based on that bias, but that’s not as important as the facts that they disclose that will lead to something else, which will lead to something else, etc.
This is a lot like fishing. (Remember that California discovery law does not prohibit a fishing expedition.) Sometimes you just find the hook empty. But other times you get a strike. Or to change the analogy, once you find a tiny hole in the armor, you can wedge your way in and find gold. And it doesn’t take much. Also remember that this isn’t some great mystery. We know what was done and who all of the involved people were. We know that they’re not necessarily stupid, but they are all insufferably arrogant, thinking that they can never get caught. (Well, Timmeh was monumentally stupid, but he might be the exception.) There are witnesses and documents floating around (probably many documents in electronic form) that would bring down the big ketchup and mustard citadel. Someone has to have the will to do the work, and someone somehow has to get this issue into court.
End of rant and sermon.
"That’s like being permanently assigned to clean restrooms."
Reminds me of a movie from the 50s I saw on TV where the main character on an Air Force base, a good hearted bumpkin, was so proud of his cleaning the barracks latrine that he was assigned the role of P.L.O. “Permanent Latrine Orderly” - he even rigged the toilet seats to open together in a form of a salute.
by C.T. in Boston on Jun 1, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions

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