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Praising Howland: ABC Announcers Take Note Of UCLA Alums Thriving In The NBA

UCLA alums have been making their mark in the NBA all through the regular season and playoffs this year. While all of us have been doing our best to keep track of the rise of our Ben Ball warriors, rest of the country is just realizing how fortunate we all were to follow and to associate ourselves with some special athletes brought in and coach up by Ben Howland.

Yesterday during the broadcast of the seventh game between the Bucks and Hawks, ABC announcers - Mike Tirico & Hubie Brown - took note of UCLA basketball under Ben Howland. Tirico and Brown zeroed in on our Bruins right after another patented hustle play from LRMAM.  Larry Brown Sports posted the exchange praising UCLA and Howland:

Tirico: "Luc Richard Mbah a Moute out of UCLA. So many good players. Many people [are] becoming more aware of Russell Westbrook with Oklahoma City's run. A lot of good UCLA players. Mbah a Moute is the defensive specialist as he was with Ben Howland at UCLA. He fits right into Scott Skiles' style.

I talked about Mbah a Moute and his UCLA days and Russell Westbrook, you have [Darren] Collison the rookie for New Orleans, Arron Afflalo, who did a very nice job after his couple years in Detroit. He's moved on and found an even more comfortable spot. Kevin Love, obviously for Minnesota. That UCLA program turned out some darn good players under Ben Howland. Obviously Trevor Ariza was at the back end of the continuation of the great run, but their defensive mindset has helped those guys come right in."

Hubie: "Well absolutely. Ben Howland when he was at Northern Arizona then Pitt and now out at UCLA, excellent defensive coach. His guys are going to be working, they're going to be professional people, and they're going to adhere to whatever you're selling offensively and defensively."

Good stuff. That is not the first time we have heard NBA announcers lavishing praise on Ben Howland while marveling the effort of Ben Ball warriors. I think it would make a lot of sense if someone from Ben Howland's staff track this kind of clip and combine them to put together in a web video. It would be a powerful recruiting tool for Howland's program.

Star-divide

Coach Howland is not perfect. He has his flaws just like anyone else. However, when it comes to teaching and developing kids into professionals both on and off the court, Howland has put together one of the best track record in recent years. It is something Ben Howland, his staff and the UCLA athletic program should be publicizing with an all out intensity in the coming weeks.

The fact is we are not going to get any help from tWWL which is essentially a recruiting machine for Duke, UNC and Kentucky. We need to do it on our own by splicing together all the positive datapoints maximizing the positive exposure to our program. When an exchange like the one excerpted above takes place, we all need to jump on it.

GO BRUINS.

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Ben haters...

Although in the saem eschelon as the interchangeable professional coaches who scam their ways into college positions, Howland seems to see his role differently.

He trains his players to make it in the pros…those athletes too immature or selfish lose the opportunity to learn how to be a BB professional. I also have to believe that those who never play at a higher level are also prepared to be professionals in their chosen fields.

For those drinkling copious amounts of Howland Haterade, be careful what you ask for…you just might get it. Are you willng to sell the soul of the university for the BB equivalent of Cheaty Carroll? As an alumni, I’m not.

“Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone…”

by C.T. in Boston on May 3, 2010 4:49 AM PDT reply actions  

There has to be a balance though

We are not “Ben haters.” However, appreciating all the good (or great) qualities of Coach Howland doesn’t mean we can’t comment and analyze the shortcomings or bad program management decisions that have been made under him in last two years. It shouldn’t be as simplistic as either you are for us or against us deal. Analyzing and following Howland is very different from the situation we were in under Toledo, Lavin, and Dorrell (mediocre to incompetent “coaches”).

by Nestor on May 3, 2010 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to read this

“It shouldn’t be as simplistic as either you are for us or against us deal.”

by KSBruin on May 3, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, CBH is a good coach

The question is he good enough for UCLA and its traditions long term. That question was opened by last year as there is no excuse for losing to CSUF or a losing season, let alone some of the other issues. But there is also no doubt that he can coach, only is he an elite coach for an elite program? His first five years indicate yes, his last two raise some questions that BN is rightly raising.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Howland's Problems

Ben Howland has the unusual problem of being too successful in both recruiting and the NCAA Tournament. Three straight final fours led to a mass exodus to the NBA. It got to be so common for our players to leave early that we questioned DC for staying. Then some players didn’t consider coming here because UCLA’s ‘one and dones’ played their position. This left CBH with a team of basketball dunces(Drago), underachievers(Keefe, Morgan, Anderson) and kids (Nelson, Honeycutt). Even with no great talent or demonstrated experience(except Roll); the Bruins still finished in a respectable position in the PAC-10. All things considered Lavin would have been worse; Harrick might have been done better as a more offensive minded coach.

by KaponoMagic on May 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree to a point

That is going to lead to down years, there is only one Coach who could win that many championships in a row and so consistently. But that said, Nestor had an excellent post showing down years in elite programs. They were down years, not losing seasons.

We are not like NC as they have won twice recently but the Tarheels had a down year this year and still had a winning record and went to the NIT final. Would the NIT be enough every year in NC? No. But after winning a National Championship and losing most of the players to the pros, I would not be complaining and would bash those who did if I was a Tarheel. But again, they had a winning season and they have won championships.

So down years are understandable, but a losing record and the other issues this season are troubling for a UCLA or any elite college basketball team.

But that said, Lavin and most real coaches would have down worse.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

UNC Had Only A .500 Record Before The NIT

Last season Roy Williams turned an 8-2 start into a 16-16 finish including a 5-11 ACC record. UCLA didn’t suffer the in conference beat downs that UNC took and on some levels it could be said the Bruins had a more encouraging season. Without the decent NIT showing, UNC really did less with some very talented Southern California players and got worse as the season went on. I would be more worried as a Tarheel fan because the Bruins are about to benefit from the greatest addition by subtraction ever: Drago is gone.

by KaponoMagic on May 3, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's just it

Williams won the early games against bad teams (should we ever lose to CSF and CSLB?). NC finished strong in the NIT. We finished with Drago shooting us out of a game with 26 foot three pointers and JA getting torched on defense in M2M.

The PAC 10 was down this year but we were spanked badly on National TV by the conference two top teams, UW and CAL. An ACC team is National Champion.

But agree on Drago. And we did beat those top teams in the PAC 10 before losing to them. So again, CBH can coach but is he an elite coach? We shall see.

by DCBruins on May 4, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's definitely an elite coach

Now the question is, can he return to elite recruiter status. That’s the big issue.

by 75NatChamps on May 4, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

TBH

I can’t use that as a knock on UNC though. That just tells me that preseason rankings are stupid.

by Tydides on May 4, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I take your point

but I think that adds to the disappointment felt by fans – more of a stomach punch when you have high expectations – even if it isn’t a knock on UNC/Williams.

by britishbruin on May 4, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Heard it Live

It was an incredibly sincere tribute to CBH and right on point.

I wanted to post something but was not sophisticated enough to figure out how to get a direct quote.

I agree with N. Gathering all of these tributes from the NBA announcers, coaches and players would be a great recruiting tool. Has anyone ever heard a tribute to the Duke or Kentucky coaches? Not me.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 3, 2010 6:12 AM PDT reply actions  

CBH +/- on pros

I like the recent quotes like this; especially on all PGs who have played for CBH at UCLA, including one who should not be named. It is amazing to have that many players playing significant minutes as PG in the pros. With the exception of last year, we were beginning to look like Point Guard U.

The flipside, and it is a downside I am willing to take, is it will mean that we may/will attract some guys who are putting in their time before they can pro. Except DC, all the players above mentioned left early. I am not trying to restart that debate on the merits of each rather just saying these sort of quotes will hopefully help us recruit some great talents but hopefully they will be more like AA than Jrue Holiday. It is up to the coaches to figure that out as well.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 6:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting that the one who should not be named...was not named. The rest were.

They also went on to mention Earl Watson and BD. It was terrific.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on May 3, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Send this to Guerrero

“I think it would make a lot of sense if someone from Ben Howland’s staff track this kind of clip and combine them to put together in a web video. It would be a powerful recruiting tool for Howland’s program.”

Good point. In case Dan Guerrero misses this edition, maybe you should send this to him.

by Fox 71 on May 3, 2010 6:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Notice who they didn't talk about...

…a certain Gatorade POY, one-and-done, thinks the world of himself, but should have stayed in school if he wanted to be a better player. Yep, the pine cheeser Holiday. JH never bought what Howland was selling – -and despite the “he was out of position at the #2” canard, he hasn’t shown that he can be a serviceable 1 or 2, yet anyways. THAT should be as big of a lesson as our stars (LRMAM, DC, RW, KL, AA, TA) making it big – that staying in school learning Howland’s techniques, and contributing more than a flash-in-the-pan.

by 2ndGenBruin on May 3, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree and would like to make a suggestion

No initials for Jrue take a Holiday on defense. I think Nestor made that point other places and I like the concept that one has to earn his initials.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding

JH or initials should be reserved for an actual Ben Ball warrior. None of the current players on UCLA team have shown yet they are deserving of that title. Lee and Honeycutt have the potential but they havn’t shown it consistently yet.

by Nestor on May 3, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree slightly on the current team RE: Initials

I think Brendan Lane, with his extreme hustle despite ankle problems has earned the right to be IDed with initials. I appreciate the sacrifice and pain he played with without complaining. I also think Honeycutt and Lee have as well. They both have flaws but there effort and defensive are not among them. I especially think ML is a “Ben Ball warrior” just not a CBH era PG.

On the other hand, Reeves Nelson, while I like a lot of what he does, I agree he has not earned it.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not going to spend too much time thinking about initials at this point

No one from last year’s team deserves it. I will leave it at that.

by Nestor on May 3, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who are we punishing?

So we have to type out their entire names?

IIRC — using initials was adopted for the benefit of posters, especially during game threads.

I think initials are a welcome shorthand. You earn nicknames — good or bad — Prince or Bricklayer. Or an added initial like PAA.

It is painful to have to write the complete name of an underachiever — like writing on the board 100 times. What did we do wrong to deserve this?

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 3, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about a rule for past players?

For current players during game threads or the season use initials. I agree 66. Writing Tyler Honeycutt over and over would be a needless pain since everyone knows or should know who you are talking about when you say TH. But once they graduate or leave, then don’t use the initials unless they are earned. Thus AA will forever be Aaron Affalo based on his great contributions but never write D G for Drew Gordon based on his issues.

Just thinking aloud.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well in that particular case

DG is usually Dan Guerrero around here.

Your thoughts appear to be what my impression of SOP was around here. We’ll “retire” certain initials to honor the ones that have distinguished themselves and moved on, but during the season, I think people participating in game threads and the like will have all the context they need to decipher the initials of current players.

by Tydides on May 3, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue Was Right To Come Out

People can keep complaining all they want about how Jrue should have stayed in school, but this season showed that he came out at the right time. Jrue showed that he was ready for the NBA level of play and more than held his own (to the tune of 10+ pts and 5+ assists a game) once he took over as the starting pg midway through the season. While I still wish he had come back for the good of our program, “staying in school learning Howland’s techniques, and contributing more than a flash-in-the-pan” would have cost him a substantial amount of money in the long run and he made the wise decision for himself by heading to the NBA when he did. He’s got a bright future ahead of him

by BruinJD on May 3, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree

Leaving early COST him money in the wrong run, it did not make him money. He would have gone much higher in the draft this year. You should take a look at the guaranteed contract money for the top picks compared to the late teens, where he went. One extra year of income does not make up for that.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on May 3, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever the new CBA ends up being

May skew the numbers a little, so it’s hard to predict which scenario will be better when it’s all said and done. That said, and Ryan has been advancing this point for years now, the big money is in contract #2. Jrue has had a decent start, but not a DC or a RW start to his career. Yes, he got to the league way before DC in terms of age, but being younger and having “potential” is only going to take you so far. Starting out gangbusters like DC and RW helps enormously a few years down the road when you’re negotiating the big contract and you can point to a record of success from the get go. It will be more difficult for Jrue to make the same argument even if he catches up with DC or RW over the next few years.

Of course, this is all dependent on how much he would have improved last year as a point guard, so no one can really say for sure, but what is for sure is that as soon as you’re drafted, the clock is ticking to prove that you can hack it. That’s why so many of these kids that are drafted on potential would be better served to stay in school, so that their “clock” doesn’t start…as long as you don’t stay in school too long, which is a whole different stupid rant for another post.

by Tydides on May 3, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

2nd K's

Consider RW, DC, and Jrue. Two of them stayed at UCLA to work on their game (and 2 of them worked hard on their game while they were at UCLA).

Consider what their 2nd K’s are going to look like.

I know it’s early. Just sayin’.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on May 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm on your side...

Jrue was no more ready to come out than a host of Trogans who have left early over the years and flopped in the NBA or D-League. He has an “up side” – -and he got drafted because of potential. But just think about how well he would have done had he stayed 2-3 years and matured on campus as a person, to say nothing as a player, rather than jump right into the fire of life in the NBA. He should have stayed. Plus, he has few fans at UCLA, for the attitude he displayed while at UCLA, and the lack of respect he showed for CBH, who just might have known better than Jrue did in terms of PT, allowing DC to keep the reins, etc. If he’d stayed even anothery ear, or even 2 more, he may have had a legacy at UCLA. K-Love wants badly to have a legacy, and he seems willing to earn it even though it’s post-UCLA. As it is, he gets no recognition from me as a Bruin — he gets as much as Drew Gordon gets – zippo. And he’ll never be able to fix that – he wasted our time, and he wasted the opportunity that was there for him at UCLA.

by 2ndGenBruin on May 3, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edit

As it is, he gets no recognition from me as a Bruin — he gets as much as Drew Gordon gets – zippo. And he’ll never be able to fix that – he wasted our time, and he wasted the opportunity that was there for him at UCLA.

I meant that to refer to Jrue, not K-Love. He’s an honorary Bruin at this point, and may yet earn his stripes as a true Bruin, esp. if he goes through with earning a degree.

by 2ndGenBruin on May 3, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has bested most of the troggies already

He’s a better player than most of the early Troggies and he projects to be a long term NBA player.

by 75NatChamps on May 4, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Impossible to know the road not taken

Given the failure of the other 2008 recruiting class players to meet expectations, it is unlikely that the Bruins would have won the Pac10 or advanced in the NCAA just adding JH to the mix. His draft status could have easily stayed the same, or gotten worse. He now has inherited the starting point guard position with the Sixers, and did fine over the last fourth of the season. Time will tell whether he advances to DC or RW status in the pros. I certainly think that if he bought into CBH’s boot camp mentality, he would have improved his game with another year in college. But its impossible to say what staying another year would have produced in terms of NBA opportunity or total dollars. We sure missed having a high quality point guard, so there is no question that the U and CBH needed JH to stay.

by 75NatChamps on May 4, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a welcome counterpoint

to the argument “Coach Howland has all these great NBA players come through UCLA and still couldn’t win a title”

This type of clip demonstrates that people who watch and analyze the NBA for a living can see the effect of good college coaching on a player’s NBA performance by looking at the commonalities in the performances by our recent alums.

In my heart of hearts, I do believe CBH has the pure coaching ability and determination to live up to the tradition of UCLA. The question to me at this point is whether he and his staff can sell it to the right recruits – identify the right kids and convince them that it is in their best interests to come to play for the four letters in CBH’s system. Nestor, you are absolutely right that someone in the athletic department should be gathering up this type of media quote and helping us set out our stall.

by britishbruin on May 3, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

CBH never had the perfect combination of players. Had any combination stayed another year, we might have hung #12.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 3, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with both of you

No one wins without talent.
Plenty lose even with great talent.
With the right pieces, CBH is in the FF 3 years in a row.

If AA or KL, or maybe even RW or LRMAM stay one more year…

If we can get those types of players back, and get them to stay, things will be just fine.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on May 3, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only DC, RW and KL had said

lets stick together and take another stab at the National Championship, like the Fl guys did. Alas, the lure of the pros was too great and giving up lottery pick status is really too much to ask.

by 75NatChamps on May 4, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot

the only player who was on each of the 3 FF teams and played in a FF every year he was in the program. The Prince was the key!

by Chris09 on May 4, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to beat a dead horse here

But these NBA guys, these commentators, the guys who are in on the ground floor as far as operations and how the NBA works on a day to day basis, they know that CBH delivers quality players who are ready to play in their systems. I know it’s been said that maybe that’s not what recruits are seeing when our coaches come into their living rooms, but we need someone who can really connect the dots for them. I thought that maybe it was self-explanatory with the success that Bruins are having in the NBA, but maybe that’s all getting drowned out with the concerns about the immediate future.

For whatever reason, maybe these guys are under the impression that their time in college should be more about fun and exposure and maybe less about work. It’s a mentality that I don’t understand, as I never had the impression that college was meant to be a cakewalk. We need to paint a picture of the long term for recruits: It’s going to be hard work, and when you put in the work, then we will win, and when we win, you’ll get your day in the sun when it really matters, and then Tirico and Hubie Brown et al. will be singing your praises as well. If a kid doesn’t want to fully buy into that concept, then that only spells trouble later on down the road.

by Tydides on May 3, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Cakewalk

I think you raise a very important point.

Going to UCLA is not a cakewalk, either academically or on the sports fields.

If these guys gave the same commitment to learning from CBH that most students give in the classroom, they would add the depth and dimension that has defined the Ben Ball Warriors who are doing so well in the NBA.

I find it hard to believe that those who are not good students in the gym are good students in the classroom. I guess there’s no way of knowing, but I often wonder what kind of grades some of the guys who have refused to buy into Ben Ball were getting in their classes.

I doubt that CBH is more demanding than the faculty on the campus. Both demand excellence.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 3, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watched the game and heard the analysis

and I agree it is definitely something Howland and UCLA can and should be marketing to recruits, yet I also think it is important to keep in mind that there are a few drawbacks to being the “NBA Factory and Boot Camp” in the eyes of these kids, drawbacks that have been brought to light lately with the recent high attrition rate in our program. I think it is equally, and maybe even more important, to also highlight the tradition of our program, the committment the university and fans have to the program, and the strive to reach the pinnacle once again, and finding the right mix of players and talent to bring us sustained success.

The tradition and the university should be enough of a sell to these kids. The successful NBA track record of our recent players is just icing on the cake.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on May 3, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't know about your last paragraph...

I personally agree with you – but it’s been a couple of decades since I showed up on campus. Imagine being a 16 or 17-year-old HS basketball phenom right now. You know (or at least in your teenage way, you think you know, which is all that matters) that in a year, max two, you’ll be making mega-millions in the NBA. You ‘have’ to spend a year in college somewhere to reach that final goal. UCLA has 11 banners, the history of Coach Wooden, historic Pauley…no banners recently, a coaching staff that doesn’t appear to relate to players as well as it could/should, and comparatively ancient Pauley. UCLA has a program coming off a losing season without a lot of outward promises of change…Kentucky and others are coming off strong seasons. Yes, I know Calipari’s a slimeball, but taken as a whole, tradition and academics aren’t going to sway many of these kids. It will matter to some – and those are the ones we want – but it obviously doesn’t have kids knocking down our door fighting for scholarships.

The NBA track record is a selling point that should have much more resonance, and I agree with Tydides that this should be emphasized way more than it seems to be, at least from an outsider’s point of view.

by KSBruin on May 3, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you

and there is no denying the lure of the NBA, and we should use that to our advantage. If all things were otherwise equal between 2 players, which player who quotes the following would you rather have:

Player A: " I came to UCLA to become the next Kevin Love"

Player B: “I came to UCLA to become a part of the great Bruin tradition and win championship #12”

In all reality, I think we should aim for, and be satisfied with, a nice mix of both Players A and B.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on May 3, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree a bit on A

KL came to UCLA for one year but he came to win a championship. This was not like OJ Mayo who went to $UC to go to a “pro city” and do his one years time before pro ball. I think KL: embraced the tradition even though there was no way he was coming back.

Thus I don’t think we should take the OJ Mayos of the world but some KLs are okay.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

A nice mix

is a single player who is both A and B.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on May 3, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tradition & The University

always was the selling point, the single most potent force behind college recruiting. But nothing opens high schoolers’ eyes these days more than NBA’s mega $$$$. This is a sad, albeit rather pragmatic statement not just about our high school athletes, but our society as a whole. Nothing beats the lure of $$$$. That’s the bottom line. By the same token, if you want good coaches to come, for instance, you can’t get by offering someone relatively average salary packkage either.

by Htse005 on May 3, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Just to be fair, many one and dones are a hybrid of

player A & B. Yet some can only accomplish one but not both. Carmelo Anthony did it at Syracuse. Going further back now. Remember Michigan’s Fab Five ? They stayed two years and did not win one.

by Htse005 on May 3, 2010 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

The Days of Coming to Any School for Four Years is Over

No player with pro potential will stay for four years and eschew a chance to leave as a high draft pick. The only reason they will stay longer is if they think their draft status will improve. The players we want all have professional basketball as their life dream. They should realize that the training they get at UCLA will not only get them noticed in the NBA draft, but prepare them to stick with an NBA team, and have a long career. I don’t think Bruin fans would settle for Gonzaga and Butler status, over the long haul. If we’re going to be in the top ten as a matter of routine, we will need to have thoroughbreds coming in every year, to mix in with blue collar types.

The Tirico endorsement of CBH should appeal to just the right kind of players we need. Talented players who are willing to work their behinds off to succeed in the sport of their choice. If they do, they will get their life’s dream. As a bonus, they get the greatest college experience as a Bruin, and get to be a Bruin for life.

If a player has any brains, and comes to UCLA expecting a coddled cakewalk, they have come to the wrong university.

The Tirico endorsement doesn’t deal with the negatives that have infected the program.

by 75NatChamps on May 3, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you're right

And also, let’s be honest. If any of the rest of us had the opportunity to fulfill our lifelong dream and earn an awful lot of money to do so, and all it would take is leaving college early knowing full well you could come back if you had the desire to do so, I think most of us would take it. I know I would. So it’s hard for me to come down too hard on these kids for making that decision…when they’re ready that is. Some guys make this decision when it’s clear that they’re not ready and maybe they’re victims of the echo chamber, but a little self awareness isn’t unreasonable to ask for from a legal adult.

Appealing to the players we need is half the battle. It goes both ways. It’s on our staff to identify recruits who will be receptive to the coaching CBH doles out. We also need to lay out exactly what is expected of these guys if they should choose UCLA. Sugar coating it may get them to sign on the dotted line, but it sure isn’t going to help to retain them.

by Tydides on May 3, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

"eschew a chance to leave as a high draft pick", Florida, anyone?

They won a national championship but all the first round draft picks came back and they won another championship. No they did not stay four years but they could not think their draft status would improve after the first title. Arguably they had even more reason to go out (National Championship players are picked higher) and they had just won it all (what more can you do?) but they stayed.

Partially I am playing devils advocate, I realize that is more the exception then the rule. Partially I am bitter because they beat us again in the final four. However, the point is still valid, not every lottery pick or team of such picks, goes pro as soon as possible. A number stay.

Thus, I never want UCLA to have the Kentucky team this year of one and done OJ Mayos, I don’t care how good Wall is, but by the same token, I don’t want all Michael Rolls (although he was a good player who did the letters proud.)

Where is the line? That is another topic but I do agree that the"Tirico endorsement of CBH should appeal to just the right kind of players we need."

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is the line ?

It depends on the individuals. What the heck, really. If some players think they are so good that they can win from one year to the next just to make a point, a statement of some kind. Sure, they stayed and succinctly enough, they did it. Now, would other kids think that way is debatable.

by Htse005 on May 3, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It does depend but what do we do

I never want to be a part of a UK style mess they are enduring right now. Calipari is a bad person who is at best ethically challenged. If CBH recruited 5 John Walls and we won the National Championship but they all left and it turns out they were taking basket-weaving and barely passing or failing I would not be happy. Look at the headline today on UK.

That does not happen at UCLA and should not. So it is not just up to the kids but the the coaches on the kind of kids they recruit and how they deal with them.

by DCBruins on May 3, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suppose I am, hypothetically, the consensus

National High school Player of the Year, with multifaceted talents pudits claimed even better than Larry Bird’s. Win or lose, would I stay more than the mandatory limit of one year at an institution with the winningest basketball traditions, strong academics and a coach some say only second to Wooden ?

So what Loyld’s ( may be missplled ) of London heavily underwrites my insurance in the event of a debilitating, career ending injury. I am not really counting on someday retiring handicapped to the exent that I cannot reenroll to finish my undergraduate program.

Yes I grew up enamored of wearing a jersey with those four mythical initials, playing on the hallowed court where, high up in the rafters, eleven banners perpetuate a winning mystique and excellence. But somehow I got to ask myself if these are legitimately compelling reasons for me to remain and not exercise the right to earn the $$$$$$$ guaranteed me even before I ever played my first freshman game ?

In the days long gone by, many scholar athletes would have raised their hands and emphatically said yes. But this is 2010. If there are still kids like that out there, they have to have their brains checked.

by Htse005 on May 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

That's nice

Now to translate all that good publicity into recruiting wins and continue on the tradition of these types of players going through the program and less like the last couple of classes, with a few exceptions.

by UCLA4Life on May 4, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions  

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