Sanction Day: As NCAA Gets Ready To Penalize Sleazy Southern Cal, Trojan Cheaters Get More Petulant

Looks like we are not going have to use the word "alleged" any longer. As expected leaks of NCAA sanctions on Southern Cal came out via the beat writers in the LA Times and the Daily News. First, here is the LA Times (emphasis added throughout):
A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.
The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today. [...]
Limited recruiting contacts, probation and forfeiture of victories are also among the penalties regarded as possibly in play.
USC sources, who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak about the situation publicly, said they were bracing for the worst. One said the school probably would utilize an appeal process.
Asked if the sanctions were appropriate, a source said, "It depends how you look at it. It is if you're a UCLA fan."
Awww. So so so bitter. If the Trogans are forced to forfeit victories (not vacate), that will mean Bush's stats will be wiped off the record books. It could also very well mean losing their only "legit" championship and their wins against us, including the one at the Rose Bow when the SPTRs took away the Havner fumble recovery. It does not make me forget those losses and Karl Dorrell's utter incompetence in that 19-66 debacle but still it does stain all those "accomplishments." Of course it should also force the Heisman folks to go back and figure out a way to give the trophy to the player who really earned it: Vince Young from our soon to be Pac-10 brethren Texas Long Horns.
The Daily News has more on the Trogans not taking this news too well:
"We got killed," said the source who saw the report but wished to not be identified. "There's no way we won't appeal this decision. One year would be hard to take, but two years?"
A source close to the situation said USC coach Lane Kiffin was livid with the decision, which could cripple his program from a recruiting perspective. USC has received seven commitments from the Class of 2011 in football, but none are binding.
Perhaps Kiffin is a little more afraid than livid. After all he will have to answer to recruits like Dillon Baxter. Remember this from way back in January?
I talked to him (Lane Kiffin) yesterday. He said all the right things. I mean, all about the Reggie Bush thing and what not I am not sure what is going to go on ...
All I was told that worst that could have happen is stuff that I mean ... what happened with Reggie Bush is ... take some losses away ...but other than nothing could affect me or any of my team-mates in future.
I am sure Baxter is not the only Trogan recruit, who are saying hmmmm. Hello Kiffin should be more worried about what now looks to be is lying, conniving and selling snake oil to recruits rather than leaking news about getting "livid" at the NCAA. Hey, we are just getting started here. More after the jump.
As far as the preliminary report on sanctions are concerned, I am not convinced they are stringent enough against the most corrupt and shadiest program in the modern history of college athletics. As they say the devil is in the details.
The two year bowl ban if true is important. CFN.com's Matt Zemek laid out the significance of a 2 year bowl ban:
Two years, though, represents another level of book-throwing on the part of the NCAA. This is as severe a punishment as anyone could have expected; in all candor, it likely exceeded the consensus prediction. USC is likely to hemorrhage recruits because NCAA bylaws - as provided by The Bylaw Blog - give athletes more freedom of movement if a school's period of bowl-game ineligibility is prolonged rather than limited.
Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3 says the following: "No release needed to contact SAs (student athletes) if school has postseason ban for the rest of their eligibility." Bylaw 14.8.2 says this: "The COI (Committee on Infractions) can recommend a waiver to allow SAs to transfer and play immediately if ban is for the rest of their eligibility."
As you can see, the reality of a two-year bowl ban would naturally have an exponentially greater (negative) effect than a one-year ban. It will possess far more reach than a one-year ban and change the minds of numerous USC football recruits. It's impossible to think that a substantial player exodus WON'T occur now that the two-year bowl ban has been handed down. When one also considers that USC did self-impose a ban for the recently-concluded basketball postseason, the two-year bowl ban raises eyebrows. Fuller statements and explanations (at press time, late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning) have yet to emerge, but when details pour out on Thursday, it will be interesting to see what the NCAA came up with. It's widely felt that this is a penalty commensurate with a view that there was a complete lack of institutional control at USC. It's a little hard to believe that contention, given the difference Pete Carroll has made in the lives of his players. The program did fall victim to the siren son of success in a city that is intoxicated by glamour, and Carroll certainly wasn't the vigilant steward he needed to be while agents and moneymen zeroed in on Bush and Jarrett. However, one recoils at the idea that USC was a runaway, renegade program on par with Southern Methodist in the 1980s. That's a bit much, to say the least.
We will have to see the official summary and the full report from the NCAA. What is important that the NCAA cannot back down from this in any way or shape. They will lose all credibility as an organization around the country, if they even show signs of blinking in the continued display of Trojan petulance and hubris.
According to Wolf, the NCAA didn't add to the self imposed penalties on Just$C basketball program. Well no one cares about that joke of a program really except for the few dozens who show up at Costco Center on a regular basis. I do think OJ Payo was just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Timmeh's reign in Southern Cal. Then again, like I said who really cares about Trogan hoops. No one.
Going back to football don't get excited right away about the loss of 20+ scholarships in 3 seasons. Let's see how the NCAA spaces them out. If it is just loss of 7 scholies per year so that Kiffin can bring in 18 players instead of 25, then it makes it difficult on Lame but not that big of a deal. However, if the scholarship reduction is spaced out in a way so that it directly counts against the 85 player limit on the roster and phased in over 3 years (i.e. 10 scholies in first year, 7 in second year and then 5 in the third), then it would be something noteworthy.
We will also have to watch out for whether the recruits are given options to back out of their scholie commitments. I don't think they are but we will have to look for that. In terms of transfers, we would think all the sophomores and juniors in that team should take a real hard look at that option because they are not going to play for much in next two years under a "head coach" who cannot win even 40 percent of his ball games.
For now I will end this graf from Scott Wolf:
USC coach Pete Carroll was among those who attended the hearing and his legacy will undoubtedly be tarnished by the penalties. Carroll maintained for the past four years that he didn't think the NCAA would harshly punish USC.
Yeah, Petey. Let's say this to you real slowly. We know Coach John Wooden. Many of us were fortunate to meet Coach Wooden. You are officially now a cheating scumbag, who should never be mentioned by anyone sane and cogent in the same breath as Coach Wooden. It will be fun to see you getting exposed as nothing but a glorified substitute teacher in the NFL.
Congrats on the No-Pete Trogans.
GO BRUINS.
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I don't think the scholarship losses are significant
They still get enough scholarships to have every first string, second string and third string player on scholarship. They will lose a few fourth stringers who wouldn’t be playing anyway. This is nothing.
The appropriate punishment would be banishment.
Replacing Schollies
I’m sure if your son is a talented football player they will find a six figure admin aide job for you and let him walk on.
I don't toally agree
Your math is correct but your 2nd and 3rd string guys are Soph and Frosh when they should be Juniors and Soph. Just for fun for go our roster and yank 20 schollies. The 1st 7 might be easy but then you have to choose between guys who could play today as back ups and guys who have potential down the road. IMHO I think this is huge.
What's Your Deal?
If all this is true, I am “satisfied” with it. I was sure they were going to get, at most, a one year bowl ban and I knew lame and his idiot minions could get past that. Now, all these kids they LIED to are facing not playing in a bowl game until possibly their last year in college (if they go pro as juniors). I would be LIVID if I was one of those recruits that was told nothing would happen going forward. They should be allowed to get out of their commitments and have the chance to go elsewhere.
This is a good day. Those CHEATING douche canoe’s are facing the music.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
PS
Bobby Knight this morning said: “What did this take? Four years? If the NCAA were in charge of the Normandy invasion, we would have landed in Portugal”
LMAO
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Quote of the freaking day.
Geez, Knight!
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Heard that driving home
Very funny.
It’s interesting that, regardless of your perspective on this issue, the NCAA looks bad. The NCAA is either too harsh (the $c view), too lenient (the anti-$c view), or too slow (everyone’s view). And this investigation may actually serve to weaken its standing in the long run.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
We still have to see
How the 20+ scholie losses are applied. I think how they are phased in will have an impact. Hopefully the NCAA will not take the lenient route.
A two year
tv ban would have been nice!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
Justice at last
No longer will I sound like a demented bruin fan, when I tell family and friends that USC is really really really a corrupt institution and that they don’t deserve their NC because they cheated 6 years ago!!!
I'm just worried $C will abrgain down the 2-year ban in the appeals process.
If the 2 years sticks, that’s a major hit. Shoot, I wish the NCAA had hit them with 3-years to give them wiggle room.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
And how long
will THAT process take? Will the recruits from 2015 serve the punishment?
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Kirk Herbstreit
Is “shocked” and he sounds so so sad. He is being melancholy about Pom Pom making Southern Cal is “cool.”
Have to agree with Herbsteit...
I’m shocked too! The whole process took so long, I was resigned to the fact that the NCAA would never level a just punishment. I’m okay with being shocked this morning.
A two year bowl ban is significant if it withstands appeal. I was also hoping for a 1-2 year TV ban, though I know some were worried about the impact on revenue. I’ve seen that imposed before on programs such as Texas A&M and it has a big impact on recruits and overall visibility. To me, it would have been worth the trade off in lost revenue for the rest of the conference.
Other than that, I guess it was about the most you could hope for. I still don’t understand why the death penalty is forever off the table. SMU paid a heavy price, but they broke the rules. Programs like SUC who cheat willfully and systematically know the possible consequences and should be subject to the harshest punishment available if merited. The death penalty is still on the books as a possible NCAA enforcement. Its like saying a murder could get 20yrs -life, then claiming a life sentence is inhumane, so the most we can really hand down is 40 years. I don’t get it.
Diatribe over.
I have a few questions
if they do appeal (which I think they will), how long can the appeal process take, and can sanctions still go into effect during the appeal process, or will the punishment be on hold?
Also, when does the McKnight investigation begin?
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Yup
I think we will have to see the NCAA report. It is interesting to me no one is mentioning the Land Rover.
Once the penalty is in place, then the McSUV incident can be a separate investigation
resulting in the long-deserved death penalty.
Let's not forget the initial McKnight press conference
where he said he was swayed by the call he had with Carroll and Bush – that is, until he was informed that having Bush on the call was a recruiting violation.
by bornagainbruin on Jun 10, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I would jsut LOVE it if the McKnight/ Range Rover situation has NOT been included...
… because it just gives more of a shot for further penalties later.
Then again, if it was included, and that helped break the Trogans’ back, then so be it. :-)
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
The response from just$c* will be predictable.
They will first shoot the messenger. “The ncaa is a corrupt institution. It is a felon. It has a book deal.”
They will accuse. “Everybody does it.”
They will obfuscate. “Nothing was proved. This is just an attempt by those jealous of just$c* to bring us down unjustly and improperly. If anything happened, and it didn’t, it was all by agents, and we have no control over them. It’s not boosters, and there was no proof that any agent (or booster) ever had any access to any athlete.”
They will deny. “We did nothing wrong. Bu$h’s parents got nothing. No student athlete has ever taken one extra benefit while at just$c*. The whole thing is just a pack of lies.”
I said it last week, I'll say it again. The difference between US and THEM is this:
When WE do something wrong, we say, “We can do better than that.”
When THEY do something wrong, they say, “Everybody does it.”
That’s what Coach taught us.
Petey — We knew Coach Wooden. Coach Wooden was a friend, teacher, and inspiration to all of us. You, sir, are no — and will never be — Coach Wooden.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
To be fair
He is a PRETTY petty cheating scumbag
Disagree
You can see the arrogance on his face right away.
by bruinbabe2000 on Jun 10, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
And the final response
from the Troylets will be . . . who is Reggie Bush?
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
Just a thought
Coach in Heaven with Nell, we just got Bru-106, Lakers up 2-1, Dodgers in first place, and baseball getting ready for super regionals.
Back to the thread.
Darkest before sunrise
I was thinking the same thing my friend. After Coach passed, I found it hard to care about any sport. And then the Bruin softball team brings home 106 celebrating Coach and now the anti-Wooden Petey is finally punished. Nothing will ever replace Coach, but its good to know that doing things the right way still are valued in our society.
It's been a rollercoaster
But I just hope we can ride this positive wave for a while. I hope our sports program continuse to exhibit Bruin pride and spirit, and show sportsmanship when we beat the crap out of SUC.
So, Blame Kiffen is mad that the NCAA is crippling his program.
Anybody gone over to Vol Nation to see how they feel about that little sentiment?
Arrogant little wuss.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Irony
is that Kiffin never would have gotten the opportunity to leave Tennessee if Carroll hadn’t the sense that the ax was falling on his corrupt program and bolted at just the right time.
I can also remember the pundits saying that Kiffin was making a smart move because now he wouldn’t have to face off against the likes of Florida and Alabama every year. Lo and behold, here comes Texas and Oklahoma into our conference, just at the time when the SUCsters are getting hammered.
Poetic justice for Mr. Kiffin.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Geez,
Maybe I’ve been out here too long, but I hadn’t even thought of that at all while listening to these 12’ers worry about the Kansas schools getting abandoned, and Mizzou fans moaning about getting no respect, etc.
So now Lame could get walloped in the face with those powerhouse teams in what I’m guessing he saw as a “cupcake” conference with only “his” Trogies as true contenders…
Thanks, Blue Me.
Love My Bruins
Of course, we will likely get walloped by them too
How many of the incoming six do you think we would beat in FB at this point?
One Difference Is
We make no pretense about it. Another is that our coach didn’t pull a fast one on his team and employers, and go conference-shopping based entirely upon his own ego.
Love My Bruins
Love the Whining, "But Floyd & Carroll Aren't Even HERE Anymore..."
(I think my Mom would be cautioning me not to revel too much in their misfortune, but to certainly let them “stew in their own juices.”)
Enjoy the crockpot, $cum.
Love My Bruins
Fiutak says on College Football News
That U$C got away with it.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Gary Klein talked $c sanctions
on The Dan Patrick Show this morning:
The Los Angeles Times’ Gary Klein joined the show to talk about the penalties USC could face later today, which according to Dan, include a two-year bowl ban and a loss of over 20 scholarships.
Klein talked about how serious this could be for the Trojans. “They could have lived with a one-year bowl ban from a financial and prestige factor,” Klein said. “The two years make it a lot tougher.”
But Klein said that the bigger problems is the scholarships. “If it’s more than 20, that sets you back a few years,” Klein said. “When you lose that many scholarships, your margin for error with the players you do recruit is a lot smaller.”
Klein said that he doesn’t think a lot of players will transfer. “The sense I got from the players I talked to is that they saw it coming,” Klein said.
Klein, however, said that he heard from recruits that current USC head coach Lane Kiffin told them the sanctions wouldn’t be that bad.
Klein does think that Pete Carroll’s reputation will be OK, because Trojans fans will remember the great ride.
I guess Cheatey somehow still remains a god among men over in $outh central…
"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel
And we all know
how we feel about Gary Klein….
"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel
by SonsOfWestwood on Jun 10, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
and the Trogan Times
Which is pretty much an outsourced communications dept for the Heritage Hall.
by Nestor on Jun 10, 2010 7:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
AAUUGGHHH!!! That's when Laker tickets for Game 6 and 7 (if necessary) go on sale!
Bandwidth in this town will be more scarce than clean water in the Gulf.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
100% off topic
but do you, or anyone, happen to know any pre-sale code for the tickets that go on sale at 10?
"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel
by SonsOfWestwood on Jun 10, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh good
I was wondering when we would see this in black and white with details. Noon Pacific, right?
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
From LA Daily News:
The NCAA will hold a press conference at 12 p.m. (PDT) featuring Paul Dee, the chairman of the committee on infractions, to discuss the findings against USC.
I disagree with this guy
Asked if the sanctions were appropriate, a source said, “It depends how you look at it. It is if you’re a UCLA fan.”
I’m a UCLA fan, and I don’t think these sanctions are appropriate, but probably not in the same sense that this dude meant. Frankly, I think they got off easy.
Dan Patrick's source also told him the report goes deeper than anyone thought...
mentioning Leinart, White, and even $noop and his ties. I’m going to wait and see, but they might have actually gotten to the bottom of some things.
Go Bruins!
Now the ncaa
can begin the investigation into wide spread steriod use over in south central…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
I have heard, but haven't seen sourced
that JRs and SRs will be allowed to transfer out without sitting out a year due to the ban. Has anyone else heard this? If so, do you think there talented juniors are going to stick around for two irrelevant years?
by silverlakebruin on Jun 10, 2010 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, that is correct
The bylaw was cited in last night’s thread. I believe that would not take efect until any appeal has been heard and consdered, but at that point, JRs and SRs can be recruited by any other program, and are free to leave w/o normal NCAA restrictions.
formerly bruinhoo
Any idea how long the appeals process goes for?
In theory, couldn’t they drag out the appeals process so at least the SRs would be stuck?
by bruinhopeful on Jun 10, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Part of the relevant NCAA bylaw
13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is
not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution
that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competi-
tion during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institu-
tion must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact
(e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student-
athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-©]. (Adopted: 1/10/92,
Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
Still need to find the rule that says that such a transfer does not require sitting out for a year, but I believe it is in there.
formerly bruinhoo
Scott Wolf is saying ...
If the NCAA committee on infractions recommends it, any USC football with two years of eligibility or less could transfer without sitting out a year because of the two-year bowl ban.
I think USC will face more potential headaches with freshmen than veterans who are already comfortable at USC and really only lose a bowl game at the end of the season. Why bother transferring if you are already a starter and start over at another school?
Those guys are funny
They are now planning their retroactive Rose Bowl vs Michigan. Go Bears!
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Looking forward to getting my PAC-10 championship ring from the ’04 season. Thanks @claymatthews52 about 10 hours ago via Twitterrific
by bruinhopeful on Jun 10, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just sent that off to Mr. BB, the Cheesehead
Two years ago, I became a big fan of Aaron Rogers, and comments like that just make me like him even more.
by bruinbabe2000 on Jun 10, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I can live with that.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
LINK???
Need to send to my Cal alum boss and colleagues
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Lame has a right to be livid
He also has the right to be wrong, and he’s abusing that right
I can’t believe I woke up to a thread called “Sanction Day” and it had actual sanctions. Happy Thursday everyone!
So how might this play out with the loss of scholarships?
Could it be that Kiffen is going to have to retract offers he’s made to the incoming class? Would that release them of their obligation to U$C? Their fans seem confident that these kids will enroll anyway and walk on, but I find that difficult to imagine, given the cost of attending. If these players had an extra $50K a year to toss around, they’d be buying their OWN Land Rovers.
From USA Today:
Nebraska to the Big Ten? Big.
Texas to the Pac-10? Huge.
USC football banned and punished? Priceless.
So,
Can the Sooners send a contingent to get their trophy?
Is there a mechanism to “recall” the Heisman?
Love My Bruins
How about our bell?
I think that we should take it back for that vacated season, give them a check for $150 and tell them to have relations with themselves.
so here is what one of the trogan scum say when
they’re told that garrett should be given an extension: "this is not a WIN for UCLA. Football games on WON on the field. How’s that Wooden – Gilbert scandal holdin up for your non-relevant basketball team? Bwahahah! "
they are so desperate right now and don’t know what to do that they have to resort to bringing up our coach who recently passed away.

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