Troy Burning: Denial And Delusion Still Dominating The Sleazy & Corrupt Trogandom
Let's start this Friday by building on the point DCBruins made about Hello Kiffin being a big part of the Trogan's dirty mess. One of the key PR defenses coming from "over there" right now is that pure as white snow Hello Kiffin, Ed Orgeron and the current staff were not around when the NCAA violations took place under Cheatey Petey. DCBruins laid out why that is complete nonsense. It is not that difficult to figure out how a normal, reasonable person would construe the hiring of this sleazebag as nothing but an F U to the NCAA, who was probably looking for some sign, any sign of contrition from Southern Cal.
It is also worth noting out what Hello Kiffin did after he took over. He not only retained Todd "the Dogfighter" McNair, but he kept him as one of his lead recruiters, despite all the controversies swirling around him. One would think given the attention around him in the Reggie Bush scandal, the Trogans would exercise caution and keep him with a low profile. Instead Hello Kiffin kept McNair on the recruiting trail going after high profile target such as DeAnthony Thomas (I would guess DeAnthony Thomas' recruiting is barely getting started).
As for the poor Trogan players who weren't around when Bush and OJ2 were prancing around in their illegal bling, the NCAA had a simple, straight forward answer (emphasis added throughout):
The Committee on Infractions saw it differently. Yes no current Trojans are involved, yet most chose to go to USC while the school was being investigated. More importantly, Dee said the committee noted the real world way that recruiting works.
When Reggie Bush is driving around campus in a tricked-out car purchased, in part, by marketing agents, it doesn't scare away the next round of recruits. It draws them in.
If you don't understand that, you don't understand recruiting.
" [The extra benefits] enhanced recruiting which led to their ability to recruit other athletes," Dee said when explaining why the significant loss of scholarships. In essence, this wasn't just about Reggie Bush. This was about the values of USC football.
As for the two-year postseason ban, Dee noted that's the same number of bowl games that Bush played in after compromising his amateur status. Fair is fair, he was saying.
So this whole spin we have been hearing coming through various media shills on ESPN and other tradmed outlets about poor Kiffin and his recruits are getting hurt for Petey,Timmeh, Bush and OJ2's transgressions is nothing short of garbage. Their entire cheating, corrupt and sleazy institution was involved in it. Diamond Leung from tWWL gave us a peak into the corrupt Trogandom:
"Regardless of what happens in that appeal, we know this: SC is more powerful than anything else," Kiffin said. "The university, the football program, the basketball program -- no matter what they try to do to us, it won't matter."
Before dining on seared fillet mignon and chocolate mousse cake, Garrett was greeted warmly with hugs and handshakes by USC fans who each paid at least $75 for event admission.
And Hello Kiffin is still showing no signs of basic understanding what it means to take responsibility:
Kiffin, playing to the crowd, compared the idea of institutional control to raising children.
"Imagine if you have 120 of them to control," he said. "And imagine if you also have responsibility for every parent and every family member they have. It's a pretty difficult situation."
Poor, poor Trogan victims. It is pretty hilarious to see guys so pathetically and weakly attempt to paint themselves as innocent victims despite perpetrating sleaze and poisoning the concept of amateur athletics for years in an out of control athletic environment.
The clowns have filed what looks to be a bogus and laughable response to the NCAA, which still is in denial over the facts meticulously put together by NCAA officials after four years of investigation.
Moreover, keep in mind one can easily argue that the NCAA officials went easy on these cheating scumbags as they could have gone for the bowl ban, plus there is also other outstanding issues such as illegal benefits bestowed on Joe McKnight and also the recruiting violations that might have taken placed when he was lured out of Louisiana. So for these cheaters to whine about getting hit hard ... well it is just extremely amusing. More after the jump.
tWWL's Pat Forde has a good column on the corrupt institution over there:
USC was dealt with harshly for having enabled, marketed and profited from the semiprofessional careers of football star Reggie Bush and basketball star O.J. Mayo. It was slammed with a two-year postseason football ban -- one of just six multi-year bans in NCAA history -- to go along with a self-imposed one-year ban in basketball. It was deprived of 10 football scholarships for each of the next three years, to go along with a self-imposed scholarship reduction in basketball. Its record book was shredded, with vacated victories by the dozen. And the legacies of two USC heroes -- Bush and Pete "Cut and Run" Carroll -- were significantly tainted as well.
Judging by their actions, a whole lot of people didn't see that coming. A whole lot of people seemed to think USC was bulletproof -- right up until the bullet-riddled body of Tommy Trojan was revealed today.
Which is why this is a good day in college sports. Not because USC took the biggest hit for a major program since Alabama football got slammed eight years ago. Because you, the fan, can trust the NCAA enforcement and infractions arms to go after the big guys with the same vigor as they go after the little guys.
(With, granted, a ton of help from the media reports, which exposed the vast majority of activities detailed in the report, and the NCAA posse rode in thereafter.)
Southern Cal richly deserved to get hammered. As the Committee on Infractions' 67-page public report illustrates, USC operated a corrupt athletic institution for years.
What is also going to be interesting to watch is the credibility of Hello Kiffin. It certainly appears now that he lied (which is not shocking for a petty sleazebag like him) to recruits like Dillon Baxter. Forde pointed out Lame was dishonest with at least another recruit:
According to media reports, Kiffin misled at least one recruit -- superstar offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson. The New York Times reported that Kiffin told Hendersons and his family not to worry about potential NCAA sanctions.
"As far as he's been informed -- he was very, very choosy with his words -- there shouldn't be anything going wrong because there was no knowledge of anything going on by the staff," Henderson's father, Sean, told The Times.
The story continued: "The Hendersons asked Kiffin to be clear about what impact the NCAA might have on the Trojans' football program, Sean Henderson said. Just before Seantrel chose USC on Wednesday, Kiffin reiterated not to listen to others who said the Trojans might face sanctions."
The fact is, Kiffin and everyone else at USC had no way of knowing whether the school was in the clear at that point. To present any different message to recruits was dishonest.
It will be interesting to see how they hold on to some of these recruits. They can launch their bogus appeals process but it should only delay the inevitable. Trogans can keep pursuing their deluded appeal thinking they can own the NCAA the way they owned the LA City Hall all these years, but this time they are not going to have their pathetic alums bailing out their cherished little corrupt football program. Eyes of the entire NCAA world is going to be on the appeals committee who will have to consider the exact same fact put together by the COI and now examined by rationale college football fans all across the country. So yeah, good luck with that appeal Trogans.
Now in terms of the sanctions, keep in mind the Trogans now have to deal with a hard cap of 75 scholies and give out a maximum of 15 scholies per year. Per our understanding Southern Cal has 17 seniors graduating in 2011. So at the end of 201. So that means Trojans might have around 70 players on their roster on scholarship (if there is no attrition or transfer). That doesn't leave them for many scholarships to give out for class of 2011. It could be as little as just 3 or 4. They already have taken 6 commits for this years class. So uh yeah, Mikey we are really envious about the kind of "situation" if you have put your little sleazy program in. Cheat on.
GO BRUINS.
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The trOJies are suffering from their instituional arrogance
Apparently no one remembers Watergate, a second-rate burglary. The consensus then was that Nixon would not have been pushed out of office if he had simply said that he failed to exercise institutional control, that he allowed things to go on that shouldn’t have gone on, and that he was going to clean house.
The trOJies have made a couple of trite statements to the ncaa, but the big shots over there can’t keep their mouths shut, and the arrogance is pouring out. Apparently they think that the ncaa will only read the official, canned, lawyer-written non-denial denials, but won’t see what Garrett and Lame say to boosters. The school apparently thinks that the ncaa won’t notice that Garrett and McNair are still on the payroll doing the same things they were doing before the sanctions were imposed.
Unless the appellate department of the ncaa is living on another planet, they cannot help but notice this sort of arrogance such as Mikey and Lame exhibited to the gathering of trOJies in northern Cal. They would obviously have a better chance of getting a sympathetic ear with the appellate people if the words “we’re sorry” were uttered even once. That won’t happen, though. The institutional arrogance over there won’t permit it.
I’m semi-inclined to drop an e-mail or two to the folks on the appeals committee just to let them know what they may have missed. They’re entitled to know the big picture.
I'm inclined to agree
If the athletic department over there has shown some contrition and acknowledged that coaches had lost control, I do not see the NCAA coming down this hard.
They’re willingness to sacrifice basketball, while to my knowledge taking no action showing a desire to clean up their football program, is not something the Committee was going to ignore. I have not had time yet to read the full report, but will be curious to learn if there any passages indicating that the punishments would not be as severe if administration over there had taken some effort to impose discipline.
But at the risk of contradicting myself, I wonder if they would have been better off without taking the self-imposed basketball sanctions and pleading total ignorance. At least in that case they could have claimed that they were caught unawares by a nefarious conspiracy of sports agents.
by FreewayBruin03 on Jun 11, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Heck, had they even been reasonbly cooperative with the NCAA during the course of the investigation, they would have had a slightly easier set of sanctions – SC’s low level of cooperation was quite unusual among targeted institutions. Even SMU in its death penalty case was more cooperative (and avoided the most draconian of the ‘death penalty’ sanctions ained directly at the institution due to that cooperation).
formerly bruinhoo
If they get to appeal this
Then I think United States China should become fair game. Time to go for the three year bowl ban.
It is too bad
They cannot up the penalties during the appeals process. If they had the options do it, I’d bet they would be tempted given the boorish posture coming from these Trogans in last 24 hrs.
Maybe the NCAA could find a loophole by
rescinding the sanctions and then issuing tougher ones. I don’t know if this is possible but I want Mikey to know I’m jealous of his situation
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
Indeed.
What a damn good analysis by the NCAA of the current players getting punished for the indiscretions of players former.
The parenting analogy as well as claiming it's 120 athlethes and parents
that need to be looked after to prevent this is b*****hit. As I’ve now heard dan patrick say on the radio multiple times, it’s ONLY star players that have the potential to do this. If the top 3, 4, or 5 players on the team are observed by coaches closely enough to prevent or at the very least know about and subsequently report bushgate type activity, you don’t have to worry about the other 115. Just another useless trogan completely out of touch with reality.
The MaGoos Show Excellent Reasoning Here
One of my favorites: " [The extra benefits] enhanced recruiting which led to their ability to recruit other athletes."
Precisely.
The unassailable logic and truth to this is why Cheatie is “absolutely shocked.”
Love My Bruins
Loss of scholarships looks worse than 30 for football.
Below is from one of the Cal boards.
“So here’s how it will actually happen, assuming the appeal doesn’t push the start of penalties beyond the 2011 season.
They currently have 80 on scholarship
19 seniors and no obvious early entrants to next year’s draft.
End of 2010: 61 players on scholarship
Class of 2011: Max 14 players to get to 75.
End of 2011: 21 departures, maybe 2 early entrants. If so, 52 players on scholarship.
Class of 2012: Max class of 15, leaving them 67 players on scholarship.
End of 2012: Very small class. 13 players, and I already put 2 as early entrants. Too early to predict any early entrants. So 56 players on scholarship.
Class of 2013: Max class of 15, leaving them 71 players on scholarship.
End of 2013: 27 players in the class. Huge. Too early to predict early departures. This leaves them 44 players on scholarship.
Signing Day 2014: The limit of 15 annually ends this year, so they can add 25. This still leaves them with 69 for 2014 season.
End of 2014: Their class of 2011 was only 14 players. So they lose 14 (again, too early to predict early departures), leaving them at 55.
Signing Day 2015: They can add 25 – bringing them to 80.
End of 2015: They lose 15, down to 65.
Signing Day 2016: They can only add 20 to get to the max 85.
So, as I said, it will take them until 2016 to get back to 85. Astounding. And remember, any transfers will crush them even worse "
Is that really how it works?
So they lose 10 scholarships per year, meaning they 1) Cannot have more than 75 players on scholarship AND 2) Cannot offer more than 15 in one year? If so, EXCELLENT!
Yup
They key is the 75/15 cap for at least 3 years.
Also don’t forget no bowl practices for these Trogans for 2 years which is going to impede Kiffin’s recruiting conning of those players on campus.
As I drove down the 110 Freeway out of downtown LA yesterday...
it was hard not to notice the sign at SUC’s Costsco center which read:
NO MATTER WHAT, FIGHT ON!
Just another fine example of their institutionalized arrogance.
by bornagainbruin on Jun 11, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
No matter what
please continue to donate to our corrupt program so that we can afford our overpaid underqualified miserable excuse of a football “coach”.
On another note…if Mikey gets fired…what are the chances that the new AD will fire Kitten? I hope they both stay for a while!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
ARROGANCE Personified
Hearing poor Petey and Lame and Mikey tell their stories of woe – makes me sick. Their ARROGANCE is unbelievable. I always knew they were JERKS and were arrogant but I didn’t know it was this deep. Cheat on sc and hopefully you will still be “bending the rules” the next time the NCAA checks you out. I wish the penalties were worse, like no more sc football!
by Forever a Bruin on Jun 11, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
Are future kids tarnished by going to sc?
How does the sc situation affect draft stock?
Not sure where Lame gets off saying this debacle won’t undermine recruiting.
Nix that question. Parents are the reason why kids won't go.
That’s why the “choice” words Lame uses in recuiting as cited in the article above.
Ban on sideline locker room and practice visitors
Part of the penalty is a ban on all of the sideline, locker room and practice visitors not affiliated with the team. All those hollywood hispter doofus hangers on won’t be clogging the sideline anymore, so the thug players attracted to that sort of thing won’t be as interested in just$c*.
C'mon, they'll just give them some sort of "official" affiliation
Just like they’ll hire the parents to sidestep the scholarship grant-in-aid limits.
The bets part is
is that further sanctions are very likely. Just try to imagine Lame Kiffin staying out of trouble for four years… Having trouble? Yeah me too.
A bruin is good forever, a Trojan is only good... ahh eff it, just use tin foil
It is very clear they have learned nothing from this.
That is what’s going to get them sanctioned again.
Go Bruins!
exactly
which is why their arrogance, although annoying, is actually great. it will mislead them into thinking they can simply shrug the situation off and continue to cheat on. and their fans will love them for it because they are mindless drones that buy into the trogan hype. cheat on trojies, cheat on.
by UCLAbruin920 on Jun 11, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is the McSUV investigation?
Is there one? And if it’s a one-issue deal, shouldn’t this be something the ncaa can handle in a little less than four years? Let’s add on another bowl ban and another year of scholarship losses. After all, the McSUV business was going on literally under Cheatie Petie’s nose, and I think after the trOJies were no notice from the ncaa of violations.
The McSUV scandal is basically just$c* giving the finger to the ncaa.
There should be some consequences.
(And speaking of this scandal, where is the guy from United Stated China Marketing who was going to explain all, especially how he bought cars for lots of women. Whatever happened to that brain surgeon (as the late great Jim Healy used to say.)
Miss Conboy ...
the lady from Notre Dame didn’t vote or just didn’t put any input?
Not sure what it means. But she participated.
She wants to be seen as impartial to the Trojans?
Not only can juniors and seniors leave without sitting out a year,
but an NCAA spokeswoman said schools with an interest in a USC junior or senior are allowed to initiate contact with the player.
source
Yep
The relevant NCAA rule is this:
13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions.
It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution
that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competi-
tion during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institu-
tion must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact
(e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student-
athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-©]. (Adopted: 1/10/92,
Revised: 1/9/06 effecive 8/1/06)
formerly bruinhoo
Can contact start today
or after the appeal runs it course?
by VenturaHwy73 on Jun 11, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Mike Garrett
I just heard something as I was going out the door, Mikey said that these sanctions were done because people are jealous that they aren’t trogans. Did anyone else hear this?
by Forever a Bruin on Jun 11, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
Compassionately, Garrett ...
Asked if he was worried about his job, Garrett patted the reporter on the chest and said, “I’m just worried about your job. You do a good job.”
Yes...
That seems to be the official line. I’m also hearing that from several misguided friends and relatives of mine who are Trogans. All I hear is, “They are picking on us because we’re successful”….Yeah, right.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
Actually
the findings indicate that they were, in fact, not successful, and therefore have nothing to show to make others jealous. That he continues to repeat this indicates that he doesn’t quite understand that he and his dirty programs have been sanctioned yet, and thus I pity him, because it shows that dementia is setting in for Old Mikey.
Funny...
I don’t see the NCAA breathing down the Longhorns’ neck…you know…the guys who BEAT YOU in 2005…the guys who have a better record than you in the last decade…the guys who are more successful than you!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'm satisfied
For pure justice, they should have gotten hit harder (as close to a Death Penalty as possible) because we all know there are a lot more shady things going on at Fig Tech. But I’m content with what the ncaa dished out considering their futile track record.
I was explaining how the scholarship limits work out to my Trogan co-worker (I know not many exist but she is pretty rational). That is the reason why I’m content. Those stupid arrogant trogans are self destructing before our eyes. If they think that they’re going to win the appeal against the ncaa, their smokin’ some good stuff and need to share it. I know rational/logical thinking is not part of their forte, but why would you prolong the negative stigma instead of taking it in the chin.
As for the kids at suc that are whining that they were not directly part of this. Cry me a freakin’ river! YOU chose to go to suc when YOU knew shady stuff was going on. YOU drank the Kool-Aid. YOU are gettin’ some too so don’t be complaining. YOU knew they were being investigated. So…..to me, it’s a YOU problem. Deal with it! And remember….Trogan Forever! LOL!
Yep
And if you are in high school and currently being recruited by SC, you should carefully weigh the possibility that future sanctions could occur during your eligibility as a result of a McKnight investigation and/or an inevitable Kiffin/Orgeron violation. If you are willing to take that risk, then you are not completely faultless in the event you are affected.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I just got..
finished talking to a good friend of mine who used to work for the NCAA in a legal capacity (quite a while ago). He said if $C continues to talk up this “better than thou” garbage that he has been hearing, they can forget the appeal. He said the NCAA would give them a hearing, but if there are was a lot of anti NCAA public comments and a lot of “arrogant” talk, the NCAA will simply deny the appeal. He feels there is only a 10-15% chance that the appeal would be successful anyway, but he did ask a pretty good question; “Who is advising some of these people when they make stupid comments as they are being alleged to be making?” He said further, “talk about your suicide pack – they are simply destroying any chance they have on appeal by illustrating such an ‘in your face’ attitude”.
Hypothetically speaking, of course, I wonder if anyone has forwarded Garrett's comments to the SF boosters to the ncaa appeals committee?
Just totally hypothetically, of course.
It's "suicide pact"...
and their is “go down whining”.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
on a completely unrelated note:
will there be a thread today for those of us graduating where we can put our top 5 bruin sports moments during our time at UCLA like there was last year? I really enjoyed reading those and was looking forward to doing mine this year!
by truebluebruin24 on Jun 11, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions
Do you want to start one?
You should start one sharing your top-5 and get everyone else to chime in.
Mikey is DELUSIONAL
How can the NCAA be jealous of Sc? How MIKEY?!!!! HOW??!!!!! This is one of the hardest things they’ve had to do. They don’t like to penalize big Football programs, but you guys cheated in such a blatant and renegade way, they had no choice!!!
The Report Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg
There is nothing in the report about McKnight’s SUV, Leinert/Jarrett living in a penthouse in the Medici, Senora Ross, the lack of any academic integrity in the basketball program (21 year old freshmen, Duhvon Jefferson, etc.), the steroid use in the football program, etc. I am happy that the penalties are more than I thought they would be, but in my opinion $C still got off easily. I think it is a joke that they let the basketball program off with their self-imposed sanctions, given that they probably weren’t going to make the NCAA tournament anyway. Here is hoping that the longterm scholarship limitations will make it hard for the football team for years to come, and I’ve seen nothing in his record to believe that Kevin O’Neill will do much with the basketball program. And if they don’t watch themselves and continue to cheat, perhaps the NCAA will come down even harder on them in the future.
They didn't get off easily
but they got off with less than they deserved.
2 year bowl ban + the 75/15 30 scholarship loss is significant.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
3 words
Burn baby burn
Couldn’t have happened to a better program
Wish I was not overseas as all this is happening. Been waiting for this for awhile!
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jun 11, 2010 10:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
+1
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jun 11, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait!
They may have lost alot in all of this, but at least the University of San Ctions still has SNOOP DOG and his POSSE to hang around with. Wait!! He can’t hang around anymore? Oh geez! Never mind.
LaneViolations.com
Hey gang,
I’m still sitting on this URL. Anyone want to put it to good use?
Doesn't Lame's Last Comment
just give the Appeal Committee—and any subsequent investigator—everything they need?
“…no matter what they try to do to us, it won’t matter.”
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