Trogan "Counselor": Southern Cal Wasn't "Cheating," It Was Just "Breaking Rules"
by Nestor on Jun 18, 2010 4:33 AM PDT
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PrintLooks like the entertainment is not going to stop any time soon. SportsByBrooks just posted the following comments from Mark Larson, a member of the "USC Board of Counselors" (emphasis added):
There’s a difference between cheating and breaking the rules. This was breaking the rules. It’s ludicrous to say USC was cheating.
"It’s comical that everyone cares about what happens at USC. If this were any other Pac-10 school, no one would care this much.
"The people who are boosters and really involved in the program are of the same mindset I am. Face it, most people in the Pac-10 would take the nine years we had in exchange for what happened (Thursday).
Guess this is very close to the official line for these sleazy cheaters because according to the official southern con website this Board of Counselors is described as "the main advisory board for the Athletic Department."
Obviously it's child's play to come up with a rebuttal to this nonsense but SPB makes the effort to point out the blatant hypocrisy from these numbnuts:
The more we hear from prominent USC officials, the more I’m convinced that the NCAA absolutely nailed the proper punishment of the Trojans. Clearly, there was a disregard for NCAA rules within the sports programs and administration in the past. And in the case of Garrett and Larson, it appears that attitude hasn’t changed.
What’s lost on USC officials and former members of the program is that because Bush and O.J. Mayo were such high profile athletes, the school is held to a higher standard in policing their activities.
It’s exactly the same thing as tax returns of political candidates being scrutinized with a microscopic.
With the trappings fame and celebrity comes added responsibility.
By denying that, USC reps are being intellectually dishonest.
SPB should know better. It is a little too much to expect any kind of intellectual reflections from anyone officially associated with southern cons.
Good luck with that little appeal Trogans.
GO BRUINS.
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This man is not dead
He’s just no longer alive.
by Tydides on Jun 17, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This parrot
has ceased to exist.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jun 17, 2010 8:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Beautiful, Tas, just beautiful.
I haven’t had a real, honest-to-goodness, “LOL” in a long time. Frankly, the only thing funnier than your line is that stuff coming from the bigshots at just$c=.*
Just for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj8RIEQH7zA
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Those trogans never cease to amaze.
Their inability to realize that other people are concerened with integrity and not filled with trogan envy is mind boggling.
This Becomes So Ridiculous
I cannot help but wonder—in a very conspiracy-theorist way—
“What’s their deal?”
Love My Bruins
This should come as no surprise to anyone
This is the way it always has been and always will be at just$c*.
Have you read the details of the death penalty at SMU? One of the reasons was that the big shots, the “Sports Counselors” thought they needed to keep making the payments they had promised. It’s no different with the trOJies. They will keep doing it because it’s not cheating. And it’s not breaking any rules that mean anything to them. The NCAA rules are just things that apply to others. And as long as they don’t get caught, it’s not cheating.
There is no lack of institutional control over their, Bruin brothers and sisters. Everything is totally and completely under control. And the control is set to “Keep Cheating.”
So Chetey was telling the truth?
punishments based on lack of institutional control were baseless! He just didn’t explain fully.
Reminds me of an old campaign ad...
from the opponent in one of Diane Feinstein’s Senate races. In the ad, Senator Feinstein was quoted as saying, “We don’t have a deficit, we just have a shortfall of revenue.”
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
A, B, or C?
From the Truth about Deception:
A Sociopath
A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused – it is done to get one’s way). Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways.
A Compulsive Liar
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (unlike sociopaths), rather they simply lie out of habit – an automatic response which is hard to break.
C is “both.”
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Don't buy any land from this dude.
Who is is this shuck and jive artist? Larson sells dirt in the OC.
Actually, he may an be up and up real estate guy who is over his head when it comes to southern con atheltics. That being stated, would you enter into a land transaction with Larson? Somebody needs to set up a poll on this. I vote no.
Incredible
There’s a difference between being on the *$c Board of Counselors and being an complete idiot.
Wait…
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
This reinforces that the sanctions were not excessive
when he admits that the last 9 years were “worth it.”
Wow
just WOW. I shouldn’t be shocked but trogans just never cease to amaze me. Splitting hairs between cheating and breaking the rules? They dopes just keep coming out of the woodwork. What an embarassment.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
These guys sound like
BP officials.
by Nestor on Jun 17, 2010 5:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nestor, that is very unfair to BP officials.
I’m sure BP officials are sorry they did whatever they did or didn’t do what they should have done that caused this catastrophe. The BP officials didn’t announce that everyone was envious and wanted to have an oil spill like Mikey. And if this Larson guy were a BP official, he would start by denying that there had been an oil spill.
Some has got to make sure that these statements from the biggest cheeses from just$c* athletics get to the NCAA and to the the appeals committee:
Cheatie Petie: The coach overseeing it all says there is no evidence that anything happened.
Mikey Garrett: Says that everyone is just jealous and it “As I read the decision by the NCAA,” he told the group, “… I read between the lines and there was nothing but a lot of envy. They wish they all were Trojans.” The sanctions gave him “a purpose for really wanting to dominate for another 10 years.” He concluded with a comment that he “felt invigorated by all this stuff” because the sanctions showed him that just$c is “bigger than life.”
This pinhead Larson who doesn’t think breaking the rules is cheating.
One thing is certain – they all deserve each other. But let’s make sure this gets to the NCAA>
This just shows me that the Trogans are not just morally corrupt, but also very stupid.
This investigation is not yet over. We still have to hear from the NCAA regarding the McKnight shenanigans.
Carroll, Garrett, and now Larson, are all idiots for not showing some degree of contrition and responsibility.
The NCAA Infractions Committee members must be thinking to themselves, “These guys will never learn,” so let’s slam them again with the McKnight stuff to really try to correct their attitude.
Someone Please Tell Me,
Do the folks who will be considering the their appeal see or hear this absurd “viewpoint” in any fashion? Are they supposed to ignore the press regarding subjects that they will be reviewing, or do they actively consider the appellant’s post-decision posturing? If it’s somewhere in between, it is impossible to imagine they could actually ignore this level of remorseless beligerence.
Love My Bruins
What SC did Was Not Unlawful
It was just illegal.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
It's hard to think of an absurd analogy to which to compare this statement
when the statement itself is so unrepentantly absurd.
I don't know about an apt analogy in this instance
But I think the overall attitude of the organization can be easily personified:
From dictionary.com
Cheating:
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
Reminds me of Socrates
“the unexamined life is not worth living”
It isn’t always the case, but I find trOJans tend not to examine anything, and evaluate things simply on how it adds to their own immediate gratification and pleasure, regardless of the cost to others or society.
Not every trOJan is like this, but we see with the sanctions that this thought of “as long as I win, who cares who else is effected” mentality is riddled throughout the leadership and culture of SUC.
by silverlakebruin on Jun 18, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions
Or, putting this in the parlance of the original post . . .
“there is a difference between ‘not every’ and ‘nearly all;’ this one is ‘nearly all’
The Mad Bruin
We are not cheaters ...just rule breakers
Reminds me of another denial………..I am not a crook!
or borrowing from the last Administration
“we don’t do torture” just “aggressive interrogation techniques”
Cheney’d be the perfect successor to clueless Mike Garrett
The Mad Bruin
Uh - I fail to see the difference
Breaking the rules = cheating. What a bunch of bullshit, but not surprising. Sociopaths have no conscience, so I guess it fits.
Similar to something Al Bundy said
“They’re not fat, they just eat way way too much!”
What else to expect from
a bunch who believes the chalk lines on the field don’t apply to them either (Dickerson in ’69, Charlie White in the ’82 Rose Bowl, Affholter in ’87, to name, but a few)?
The Mad Bruin
Wonder What Coach Would Say?
Well, here’s a quote from Coach:
Is there a difference between robbing a bank for money and breaking the rules to win? How can one be theft but not the other?
Ill-gained profit is no different from ill-gained victory. Neither means much except to a thief.
I’d rather be an honest loser than a dishonest “winner” and rather have an honest dollar than a false fortune.
You haven’t won a thing when you have broken the rules to do it.
- from The Essential John Wooden
by haywood nighttrain on Jun 23, 2010 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
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