ESPN’s "Draft Analyst" Chad Ford Takes Ridiculous Cheap Shots At Ben Howland
ICYMI ESPN's "draft analyst" Chad Ford fired a repackaged cheap shot against Ben Howland couple of days ago in ESPN Magazine's June 23rd issue:
A scout's view can also be blurred by the nature of the college game. Just as some systems inflate a player's value (see: Adam Morrison at Gonzaga), others prevent players from showcasing their skills. UCLA seems to specialize in hiding NBA talent. Over the past two NBA seasons, Westbrook, Darren Collison and Jrue Holiday all significantly exceeded expectations set by their so-so college stats. Ben Howland's grind-it-out game plan is largely to blame. Those three natural point guards are all blessed with great speed and attacking instincts, but Howland dialed them back to a plodding pace. He also mostly played Westbrook and Holiday off the ball (alongside Collison), which obscured their playmaking skills. Safely in the pros, the ex-Bruins benefited further from the NBA's tight hand-checking rules.
Sticking with our BN policy not going to offer any link for garbage like that. Obviously Ford's take here is dumber than anything you will find coming out from even nimrods like Bill Plaschke. I mean there are just so many points here to debunk that nonsense:
- Ford ignores the point that DC was actually not all that highly recruited out of highschool and it was Ben Howland, who methodically developed him into an NBA ready point guard.
- Ford ignores the point that it was under Ben Howland RW developed into a top-5 lottery pick. How the heck can one argue that RW's talent wasn't well developed, when he exploded from not so widely recruited athlete into a top-5 pick.
- Regarding Jrue Holiday, what Ford conveniently forgets to mention is that Holiday got time in his first year in a horrible 76ers team because of his DEFENSE, something he learned under the system of Ben Howland.
- His point about Howland playing RW and Holiday off the ball is ridiculous, given the fact what DC did at UCLA and what he accomplished in his first year in NBA.
- He also forgot to add how Ben Howland developed "projects" such as RH into viable NBA athlete. He forgot to mention how Howland helped turn LRMAM into one of the most promising young defensive standouts in the Association.
I wonder if Ford has taken similar shots against legendary coaches like Dean Smith for ya know "dialing back" Michael Jordan's potential during his two seasons at UNC.
I can't believe I wasted a fanpost on garbage like this but sometimes nuggets like that are used by opponents (See post on Arizona's board). It is so ridiculous and I wish UCLA would tell this chump to stay away if he thought about coming to Pauley next season to check out our team.
GO BRUINS.
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Thanks For NOT Linking, N.
This is so….I don’t have a word negative enough for this utterly absurd, insane tripe.
Do you think it’s possible that—having absolutely no actual ability to investigate, research or write—guys like this just try to write something so ridiculous that it just has to get a “reaction?”
(I’m just having trouble believing this guy is sincere, because of, you know, the ignorance level here.)
Love My Bruins
Ford fails to realize
CBH coaches to WIN games, not showcase what kind of NBA talent he has. Do we forget 3 straight Final Fours that quickly?
However, for those of us who watched DC and RW every game of their UCLA careers, we knew what kind of talent they were bringing to the NBA. We could have told Mr. Ford how explosive that talent was and could be. Their NBA success is absolutely no surprise to us. Chad may know that if he didn’t just watch ACC games three nights a week on ESPN.
And great point about defense, N. How can he disregard how all those players developed defensively under CBH?
"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel
by SonsOfWestwood on Jun 20, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
I'm kind of in the middle on CBH...
Love his preparation ability and his focus on defense, but think he tries to stay the course a little too long sometimes in games, but all-in-all, he’s done a great job developing kids into productive NBA players and producing winning seasons (the exception being last year).
Funny how he didn’t bring up 2-time NBA champ JF.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
There is def room for reasonable criticism of CBH
We did it here on BN all season this past year. That said the cheapshots above about Howland not developing NBA talents were just ridiculous and baseless.
Agreed
The article is tripe, no doubt. It is amazing how quickly sports media turns on a guy after a sub-par season.
I also agree with firstto100 that CBH tends to stay the course too long and doesn’t seem like to make adjustments. I believe that this tendency hurt us last season, not that CBH had much to work with.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
Even if DC, RW, and JH were uncomfortable,
having to play in that style of play and having the athleticism to play a faster pace made them better suited for the NBA. Otherwise, they may not have had enough experience to handle a slowdown game in the NBA if CBH just had a run-and-gun offense. Not every team plays like the Phoenix Suns.
If they were that good at UCLA playing uncomfortably, then there’s no reason to believe that DC and RW, and even JH weren’t going to succeed in NO, OKC, or PHI where the style of play is better suited for quicker, more athletic PG.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
Don't forget
Lakers ultimately beat the Celtics with skilled bigs, guards playing methodical triangle (which could come across as “plodding” to people like Forde) and defense/rebounding. If there was no defense and rebounding Lakers would get no title. In other words if they didn’t play Ben Ball, they wouldn’t hang another banner in Staples. Actually I hope that’s a message Lee, Anderson et al can appreciate this coming season.
That's why I hope JF stays a Laker
Their playing style was a perfect transition from UCLA to the Lakers for him and if given the chance, I think he could flourish in the triangle offense.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
just reading the excerpt made me stupider...
and now i want those 30 seconds of my life back…
He also mostly played Westbrook and Holiday off the ball (alongside Collison), which obscured their playmaking skills.
so we were supposed to move DC to off guard? or just sit him and let JH play point? this guy’s a moron.
also gotta love DC’s “so-so college stats”
- 2007 pac-10 first team
- 2008 pac-10 second team
- 2008 pac-10 tournament mvp
- 563 / 1185 (47.5%) overall shooting at UCLA
- 164 / 377 (43.5%) overall 3pt at UCLA
i’ll take half of those bullets for any body on our team any year. individual year stats are pretty good too – except for his first season which i guess is what this clown is referencing? and if you want anything about RW – just check youtube.
CBH’s style isn’t as exciting as other styles – but it wins. we could have used JH to stick around some more, and we need malcolm lee to buy into the system.
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
Yep
Trying to figure out if he thinks CBH should have acted as if the NCAA is like little league, and given them all equal time at the position (‘you were very good Darren, but now it is Russell’s turn to handle the rock’), or that once either Westbrook flashed his potential or Holiday came to campus, DC should have been forced off the team (since part of Ford’s problem with CBH is having talented PG prospects playing off the ball, keeping DC to play off guard would have been just as bad).
formerly bruinhoo
what a tool!
i guess he’s a fan of the programs that showcase individual talent in college and then takes joy in watching these kids flame out at the next level? Talent alone doesn’t bring you success! It takes character and a strong work ethic.
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
exceeding expectations demonstrates the ignorance
To say that high lottery pick RW exceeded expectations just goes to show that some NBA GMs – particularly the Thunder guy – do a better job of evaluating talent than BSPN hacks.
RW was considered a reach by many at that position – a sense that his flash and sportscenter highlights had made him a pick for a team looking to build a fan base in OKC and for a high energy guy to complement Kevin Durant – but that pick has been absolutely vindicated.
You'd think the "evidence" he uses
would actually be a compliment to Howland and his system. It seems like by what he says, CBH prepares players for the NBA in more ways than through individual skills. Quite a concept for the boys at ESPN to handle, I guess – the fact that defense and playing the style of the team instead of what you’d prefer as an individual actually lead to success.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
Exactly
Chad has apparently never heard of Coach Wooden, and his proven approach to team sports.
Love My Bruins
Perspective
I’d rather have it your way than the other way around like say Coach K. What Ford is stating, as a guy not instantly upset at the insult, is that Howland’s style doesn’t let players blow up the statsheet. As a UNC guy I’ve heard the same thing about Dean. Howland does develop players, give them tools and skills and when the leash is taken off at the next level they’re excelling.
Much better to have that as an issue than having guys like Redick, Shelden Williams, Josh McRoberts get huge stats, put up big numbers and then disappoint at the next level.
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by InTheBleachers on Jun 20, 2010 11:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Good perspective but
I don’t believe Ford’s intention here was to compliment Howland.
by Nestor on Jun 20, 2010 11:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand
how this evidence shows that Howland hides NBA talent, what it looks like ti me is that he is actually, really good at developing players into NBA talent. That many point guards excelling in the NBA should be a positive data point for Howland, not a negative one.
ESPN.com "Insider" is a...
total crock of SH*T. Who actually pays to read this garbage? I’d be better off paying a Trojan fan to report on the Bruins. I’ve never understood why anyone subscribes to ESPN.com’s crappy “insider,” services. I learned after 1 month of paying for their nonsense, that their information is unreliable garbage, their sources are made up, and their opinions are made just to piss people off.
Chad Ford’s track record as an NBA analyst / insider is awful. Here’s a guy whose record for “knowing,” draft busts, surprises and Free Agent signings are about as accurate as a drunk, coked-out psychic on Hollywood Blvd. Ford’s “excellent,” insider information / sources made such accurate predictions as Kobe Bryant being a Clipper, Rajon Rondo being a bust, Russell Westbrook being a bust, Kwame Brown being an all-star… etc. Can’t wait till his sources predict that LeGone James will play for the Bobcats.
I pay for insider
because ESPN3 is a great service and when it was ESPN360 you had to be an insider to watch it. I’m not sure if you still do.
ESPN 360 / ESPN 3 = FREE
I’ve never paid for that service, and have always watched sports on there for free. Hope they don’t tout that as a “service,” for being an “insider.” You would be getting ripped off worse than ’SC paying for OJ Mayo.
Chris Ford????
Who or what is Cris Ford? While he does mention HIS observations how valid are they? Coach Howland’s program does polish players and prepare them for the next level. It is not flashy and offensively can be stodgy at times but given players with a basic talent who can learn-lets forget drugovich-he makes them better players especially on defense. I feel he gets a bad wrap as it is not his fault that most players are comming out of high school without a thorough grasp of the fundamentals and some never learn-SHAQ.
Loved the question so I went to Wikipedia:
" He is currently a professor of conflict resolution in Hawaii…
Ford grew up in Kansas City, Missouri. He has a bachelor’s degree in history from Brigham Young University Hawaii, a master’s degree in conflict analysis and resolution from George Mason University, and a Juris Doctor from Georgetown University."
I can see where he gets his expertise! Did he play? Did he coach? Now maybe if he grew up in Kansas instead of Kansas City I could see where he gets his bball credentials!
Oh yah, maybe this is it: “He is currently a professor of conflict resolution in Hawaii.” and
“He also did research for the United Nations in Northern Ireland.”
Go Bruins!
"so-so stats"
This so-called “draft analyst” misses one humongous point when he makes this oh-so-ignorant statement: “[they] exceeded expectations set by their so-so college stats.”
Here’s the thing draft anal yst: Professional NBA talent scouts don’t stake their life’s work and reputation on stats; instead, they look for talent, hence the wording in their job titles.
If stats were the ultimate determinant of NBA success, then every member of the 1990 Loyola Marymount team should have been perennial NBA All-Stars and MVPs… As it was, none of those guys became an impact player the NBA, let alone a starter or a star and LMU never made a Final 4 like Ben’s “so-so stat” teams have done 3 times.
Easy money and faithless women, red-eye whiskey for the pain...
Sour grapes
Sounds like Chad Ford is tired of underestimating the pro prospects of Ben Howland’s students and needs to take it out on someone… Like Ben Howland.
Anyone who followed not just UCLA, but PAC-10 basketball (idiotic Arizona fans don’t count apparently) knew what winners DC and RW were, and at least the potential that Jrue Holiday had. Kevin Love was no secret either, but Ford conveniently leaves him out as well.
Just a bitter jab from a “draft analyst” who continuously ignored actual game tape in favor of stats… But let’s be real, it’s SUPER HARD to make predictions based on actually watching players. It would have been impossible to notice DC taking turns running laps around two NBA centers in the same game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw7Fzp-kjCA
Or couldn’t be bothered to pay any attention to Westbrook’s NBA ready athleticism, poise, and defense on other NBA guards:
vs Steph Curry: 6/19 FG, 3 ast
vs OJ Mayo: 2/8 FG, 4 points, TEN turnovers.
Oh wait, those are stats… nevermind, Ford’s problem isn’t just his inability to watch games.
Wait, those were stats that Chad Ford must have missed too. Dang, I guess he should have been able to tell regardless
My gripe about Coach Howland's offense is walking the ball up court.
If we ran the ball up court it seems to me that we would have a better chance to find at least one defender out of place or not exactly ready, and would give us an easier shot. At the same time, I’m pretty sure that Coach Howland knows more about basketball than I do.
Check out the effeciency per possession stats
I am not saying you are wrong but, during the three final fours, UCLA had one of the most efficient offenses. It has been linked in earlier posts. Running is nice and I like watching that as well, but a CBH offense can be very productive, just not as high scoring as meatheads like Ford like.
I'm not talking about forcing a fast break
I’m talking about getting the ball over the line in 5 seconds instead of 10. I recognize that our offense is “efficient” (although I don’t think I could define the term), but if that efficiency had, e.g., 10 more possessions a game to work with, wouldn’t that be good for us? That’s a real question, not a rhetorical one. If we score X per possession, then we should score X plus something if we have more possessions.
Doesn't quite work that way for a D first team
We rest a bit on offense and go all out on D. Thus we take more time on the clock on offense for our defense. Also fewer possessions on offense for us means fewer for the other team as well.
true, and I agree with you mostly
but as an astute poster mentioned previously, fewer possessions means more variance.
Assume we score on average 1 points per possession and Standard scores 0.95 points per possession. On a 60 possession game, we win 60 – 57 on average – which is only one lucky shot from a tie game. On an 80 possession game we would win 80 – 76, pushing our advantage a little further.
Assuming both teams have the same efficiency regardless of the number of possessions, the favorite prefers to have as many possessions as possible, while the underdog prefers as few as possible. On the numbers above, if we play a 10000 possession game, we are almost certain to win; if we play a 1 possession game, it is almost 50-50.
Same applies to football – inferior teams should run the clock if they want to get an upset, as in a short game a lucky break could swing it; in a game with lots of possessions the superior team can ride out a bad pick-6 without too much difficulty.
This isn’t a comment on whether CBH should push it more – just a comment on statistical basketball theory. :-)
by britishbruin on Jun 21, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure on your assumption
Assuming both teams have the same efficiency regardless of the number of possessions
. I don’t agree with that assumption.
For example, I remember the first Memphis regional final under CBH, Calipari’s great athlete’s could not deal with UCLA’s tough defense and style of play. We won 50-45. Calipari called it the ugliest game he had ever been part of. Two years later, with arguably a much better offense team, UCLA lost 78-63. The more offensive game favored Memphis. Obviously there are other differences and this is an imperfect example.
But I don’t think teams have the same efficiency regardless of the number of possession. If Memphis\Calipari has to grind it out for every score, they have problems. UCLA under CBH is more comfortable playing this way.
That assumption is what is wrong
You can’t assume both teams have the same efficiency regardless of the number of possessions. The obvious reason is that at some point forcing the number of possessions to go up by increasing tempo will have a negative effect on our ppp. It’s not as simple as increasing the number of possessions and thus increasing the ppg and scoring differential. It is not entirely up to us when an offensive possession will result in a good opportunity to score. We have some control over it by our choice of plays and shot selection but the defending team also has some control.
In addition, by increasing our tempo we usually have to sacrifice on the defensive end as well. Not only would our ppp go down but our ability to get back in transition would be sacrificed to some degree thus increasing our opponents’ ppp.
apologies for econ speak / confusion
I certainly do NOT hold that assumption.
The point I was making is simply that numbers of possessions can have an effect on the probabilistic outcome of the game, EVEN IF the two teams involved become no more/less efficient in a different paced game. Should have made it more clear that I was commenting on the logic of “fewer possessions on offense for us means fewer for the other team as well”…
by britishbruin on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No Mention of the Prince?
He’s a clear CBH project who, with the great D he learned at UCLA, became a starter and respected player.
Is forcing kids to play D holding them back?
Not in the eyes of the pro teams and coaches who draft them.
sjh
He cherry picks two years
Because to go further back is to make his argument even worse. Otherwise, how would he explain Arron Afflalo, one of last season’s best three point shooters and perimeter defenders.
Kevin Love Too
What lesson did Kevin learn in his short time here? The importance of being in shape. Don’t forget it was CBH who took on his conditioning — encouraged him to get into better shape. How well did KL learn? Take a look at him now and compare him to then. In fact, he went on a conditioning blitz before the draft.
And, he learned a little D while he was at it.
To not give credit for preparing all of these players to be the great pro’s they are makes clear that this is a hit piece lacking in intellectual honesty.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Jun 20, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately...
perception often trumps reality. And I believe that this perception has hurt UCLA in terms of recruiting.
Part of the problem with espn
and a lot of sportswriters and announcers in general is either they don’t understand statistics or are cartering to an audience that doesn’t understand them. An example is Ford’s assertion that Collison’s skills were hidden by Howland’s system. By skills he is probably referring to things like straight ppg. Points per game is a stat that is easy to digest and will often do a fair job of identifying superb talent, especially in the pros. In college, however, these numbers are often skewed by coaches who will run up the score or ball hogs.
I prefer to look at a player’s contribution to the team as opposed to simply how many points a player scored. For example:
In 2008-2009 the top 11 scorers (in terms of points scored) in college basketball were guards. They were:
Stephan Curry 916
Lester Hudson 847
David Holston 830
Jermaine Taylor 812
Jodie Meeks 798
Josh Akognon 764
Stefon Jackson 751
Eric Maynor 739
Ben Woodside 729
Jeremy Hazell 726
Tony Douglas 725
By contrast Darren Collison scored only 504 points. The thing is Collison was a much more efficient scorer than almost all of these players. If we rank them by points per shot things look much different
woodside 1.52
meeks 1.49
Collison 1.47
curry 1.43
maynor 1.42
jackson 1.39
douglas 1.39
taylor 1.34
hazell 1.32
holston 1.31
hudson 1.26
akognon 1.24
To say that Collison was somehow held back by the system is ridiculous. He played in a system and did his job well. As a scorer he was very efficient which, in our offense, was more important that the sheer volume of points. I’d like to think that rather than being held back by a system that hid his talents he performed very well in a system that doesn’t cater to what the television audience wants to see. It’s a good thing for NBA teams that they have people who look at the whole picture rather than what a few stats say. If all they did was look at ppg and things like that Mbah a Moute never would have been drafted. As has already been mentioned many times, the defense that players learned under Howland is the main reason many of our kids have been drafted. I’d love to see Ford bring that up.
unfortunately there are not many good stats for "contribution to the team"
It is not difficult to make the case against a stat like “points per shot” as a measure of team contribution, or even of offensive team contribution. Nor is it difficult to make a case against even the more complicated single figure statistics (such as PER) if you disagree with some of the elements it contains. In general, you need a range of stats to give a full picture.
If they flash up on screen a player’s PPG, FG%, 3ptFG%, FT%, the combination gives the intelligent viewer a chance to work out a players contribution to scoring points; APG, A/TO ratio give something of the contribution a player makes to creating opportunities for teammates; etc.
The big issue is that the most intuitive stats – PPG, APG, RPG etc – depend a lot on tempo, and depend a lot on your role in the team, rather than measuring how well you are playing your role.
An issue for DC in standing out is that he does a lot of things well, and few things exceptionally – at least, statistically speaking. His best statistical claim to fame was his FT%, which people seem to undervalue significantly. He also didn’t see the big upward progression some players see from year to year in his stats, even though he improved as a player, because of his changing role and the moving pieces around him over his time.
by britishbruin on Jun 21, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
contribution to the team.... hmmm
Brings Dfish to mind. Stats certainly don’t tell the whole story there.
Hidden from Whom?
CBH was so successful in hiding talent that RW was selected as the #4 player in the draft. RW developed under CBH, which was a combination of UCLA training and tremendous hard work by RW. RW grew an inch before coming to the Bruins and hit the weight room hard between his sophomore and junior year. He showed his ability to play the point when DC went down, and averaged 12.6 ppg. on a team that had DC and KL, as well as JS, LRMAM and AA2. His monster dunk against Cal and his superior play against Memphis (the only player who could match their strength, speed and quickness) pushed him up the draft charts like a meteor. RW’s run to the finals put him on center stage for the NBA scouts and GMs.
I am sure that RW thanks CBH for the way he developed as a player. It is hard to say that a #4 pick exceeds expectations, but in fact RW has. I believe he has exceeded expections to a degree, in the same way the Micheal Jordan exceeded expectations as the 2nd selection (of course to a far lesser degree). Sometimes the very good ones turn out to be great (RW) and the great ones sometimes become superstars (MJ). This doesn’t mean that either was hidden. Was MJ hidden at NC?
JH was hidden at a First round, #11 draft pick after a lackluster freshman season. If the object was to promote JH, then CBH should have played him at point. If the object was to put together the best team, it is hard to argue that DC wasn’t the better point guard. In fact, he is still the better point guard. I realize that Nestor and others suggested that DC and JH could have been switched or that JH could have been rotated more to the point, but I don’t think that would have enhanced his scoring. JH’s shooting percentage was around 43% as a Bruin, and it fell to around 32% for the second half of Pac10 play, including an 0-5 performance against Arizona State and an 0-8 performance against USC. He was just having a nightmare hitting jumpshots. I don’t know what CBH could have done to improve that. He still is not a great outside shooter. Additionally, with KL and LRMAM gone, the Bruins were hard pressed to fast break because they could not dominate the boards and could not leak out the guards. JH has hardly set the world on fire as a pro. He averaged 8 pts a game, and somewhere near 9.6 ppg as a starter, as an injury replacement for some guy named Lou Williams. However, JH’s stats are padded because the 76ers are a horrible team and much of their games are garbage time. In any event, JH was hardly hidden from anyone. He was the 11th pick in the draft and on the NBA’s radar from his Junior year at Cambell Academy. I think the concensus is that he would have benefitted from another year at UCLA. He would have been the point guard and number one scoring option on the team. He would have had another year to work on his game. JH just wasn’t having fun in CBH"s defense first system, and perhaps CBH"s taciturn manner, and the lure of even a middle first round selection to start his life’s dream was too hard for him to pass up. JH is still quite young and if he works as hard as RW he’ll probably mature in to a very good pro, or better. The 76ers took a gamble, not unlike the Lakers with Andrew Bynum, that a talented player would mature into a very good pro. Given JH’s recognized talent coming out of high school, and his relatively mature, if uneven, play as a Bruin, it wasn’t a very high risk gamble. However, he was not hidden by CBH or anyone.
DC was the 21st player selected. DC was hidden for 3 years as the starting guard at UCLA, and in two of those years UCLA was among the Top 3 high profile programs, having make runs the the finals and having recruited KL. He averaged 13-14 ppg. and shot nearly 50%. DC was hardly hindered in his exposure or his performances. The knock on DC was that he was too small for the NBA and would be abused by the bigger NBA point guards. He also has a funky looking shot, so scouts and gm’s wondered if he could get his shot off in the NBA. DC is averaging 13.7 ppg. and 5.7 apg. for New Orleans. DC, one of my top 5 Bruins of all time, has exceeded everyone’s expectations. He is the personification of Coach Wooden’s theorum that quickness is the number one attribute. DC was hardly hidden by CBH, he was showcased. DC proved his mettle as a 3 pt. shooter over his career and the go to player as the clock ran down. I believe that some of the NBA scouts and GM’s who picked other players before DC wish they had picked him, but it remains to be seen whether DC will be a star in the league, or just a good pro. I love him and I hope he finds the right team that will complement his talents. He certainly will not start over Chris Paul.
Rather than hiding talent, playing for CBH is practically a ticket the pros for the better players. JF, AA, KL, RW, DC, LRMAM have all flourished in the pro ranks. The pros know they are getting smart two way players out of CBH’s program. It is very hard to say that the players were picked later in the draft than they should have been. Some of the players have met expectations, and some have exceeded expectations, but all of them were on the radar and there relative merits were known.
if you're looking for a coach to showcase talent
let’s find Darko’s European coach that showcased him to the 2nd pick in the draft – I want to play in his system!
by britishbruin on Jun 21, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, CBH doesn't showcase talent
But his players’ performance in the pros make his players desirable and should influence players who want to play well in the pros to come to UCLA!
The part of this that made no sense to me ...
is that Westbrook was taken with the fourth pick in the draft. If Howland’s system held him back … I mean, if he had played for someone else would he have gone third?
I think the draft that year was Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook … how much higher would he have gone? Collison, Holiday and Westbrook all went in the first round … how held back were they?
I mean, it’s possible that the way we play holds down their stats but so what? Nobody drafts based on stats.
Anyway, Ford can’t argue that Howland held Westbrook back and his success is a surprise when OKC took him fourth overall. Clearly, whatever Howland did, Westbrook got noticed.
There is a side comment I want to make, too. When articles like this come out, how come none of the players is ever quoted? How hard would it be? Just call Westbrook or Collison or Holiday and ask them what impact playing for Howland had on their development. At least two of them would sing his praises, as would Afflalo and Farmar and Love. Maybe … maybe … Hoilday’s experience wasn’t as good for him, but his was an unusual situation as he was recruited to replace Collison and then Collison stayed for his senior season.
Well, it's true that players are not drafted on stats
But people who make inaccurate draft projections might. After all, it’s easier than actually doing your job and watching games and watching individual players and making your assessments that way. It’s not like being shown up time after time by underrating Bruin players because I was too lazy to do my job and watch some games would engender any kind of bitterness or anything.
Oh wait…
Stats are everything. You don't want you talent hidden.
Here’s a list I found of NCAA scoring champs. All of these guys were given the chance to showcase their talent. All of these guys were drafted number one and all were multiple MVPs in the nba. Each is in the hall of fame. And all because their coaches chose to showcase their talent:
1974–75 Bob McCurdy Richmond 32.9
1975–76 Marshall Rogers Texas–Pan Am 36.8
1976–77 Freeman Williams Portland State 38.8
1977–78 Freeman Williams Portland State 35.9
1978–79 Lawrence Butler Idaho State 30.1
1979–80 Tony Murphy Southern U. 32.1
1980–81 Zam Fredrick South Carolina 28.9
1981–82 Harry Kelly Texas Southern 29.7
1982–83 Harry Kelly Texas Southern 28.8
1983–84 Joe Jakubick Akron 30.1
1984–85 Xavier McDaniel Wichita State 27.2
1985–86 Terrance Bailey Wagner 29.4
1986–87 Kevin Houston Army 32.9
1987–88 Hersey Hawkins Bradley 36.3
1988–89 Hank Gathers Loyola 32.7
1989–90 Bo Kimble Loyola 35.3
1990–91 Kevin Bradshaw U.S. Int’l 37.6
1991–92 Brett Roberts Morehead State 28.1
1992–93 Greg Guy Texas–Pan Am 29.3
1993–94 Glenn Robinson Purdue 30.3
1994–95 Kurt Thomas TCU 28.9
1995–96 Kevin Granger Texas Southern 27.0
1996–97 Charles Jones LIU–Brooklyn 30.1
1997–98 Charles Jones LIU–Brooklyn 29.0
1998–99 Alvin Young Niagara 25.1
1999–00 Courtney Alexander Fresno State 24.8
2000–01 Ronnie McCollum Centenary 29.1
2001–02 Jason Conley VMI 29.3
2002–03 Ruben Douglas New Mexico 28.0
2003–04 Keydren Clark Saint Peter’s 26.7
2004–05 Keydren Clark Saint Peter’s 25.8
2005–06 Adam Morrison Gonzaga 28.1
2006–07 Reggie Williams VMI 28.1
2007–08 Reggie Williams VMI 27.8
2008–09 Stephen Curry Davidson 28.6
2009–10 Aubrey Coleman Houston 25.6
I’m not a big nba fan, but believe it or not, I haven’t heard of some of these guys. (By the same token, they’ve never heard of me, either, so we’re even.)
Ford has to fill Fishwrap
This kind of blather results from having a job where you have to fill columns, but don’t have any accountability. He can make an unsupported statement without having to back it up and if its wrong so what. That’s different from a scout or gm who has to actually make the selection and then live with the consequences. You never hear Michael Jordan say that Dean Smith hindered his development, yet because of a joke – “Who is the only person to hold Michael Jordan under 20 pts, Dean Smith,” this kind of junk lives on. In fact, MJ gave Dean Smith the credit for “elevating my basketball talents” when interviewed after MJ was announced as a hall of fame inductee.
Another point that needs mentioning, is that if RW, KL and DC are teammates, how can they possibly all average over 20 ppg in a college season. If you are the only scorer, or one of two, then it may be possible. But on a team with balance, all the players will have their averages held down.

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