[Update x3] "Repeat Offenders"? Southern Cal Getting Ready To Launch An All Out War Against The NCAA?
by Nestor on Jun 9, 2010 5:17 PM PDT
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PrintWell here we go again. The latest scoop now is that Southern Cal is going to hold a news conference tomorrow to respond to the long drawn out NCAA investigations. Yeah, I know we have all heard that before. We have heart it from Dan Wetzel. Then we heard from Dana O'Neil on tWWL. Now it's Joe Schad's turn ... also from tWWL. This time its for real. Yeah, ok.
Anyway, I know the underlying news about a news conference tomorrow now been fanposted (multiple times) and fanshotted here already (kudos to everyone though for combing all over ... keep it coming). Still there are three details though that are worth flagging.It looks like for the first time, the media is now talking about Southern Cal being a "repeat offender," there are talks of multiple year bowl ban (which should be a minimum), and Trogans are already issuing threats of all out war against the NCAA. All of this after the jump.
First up in the latest tWWL report there is the mention of Southern Cal possibly being a "repeat offender" (emphasis added throughout):
If USC is found guilty of major violations, the NCAA also could rule that the Trojans are "repeat violators." Per NCAA rules, "An institution shall be considered a 'repeat' violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty."
The athletic program was last sanctioned in August of 2001.
That is the first time I have seen that reference in traditional media. Of course we brought this up months ago when Patroclus laid out why Southern Cal could fall in the category of a "repeat offender" in January. For some reason the tradmed reporters are just realizing it NOW. LOL Hey, don't wait on the Trojan Times to find this out. Duffster and his Trogan chronies are busy rewriting a complete rundown on our handicap scandal from 1998. But I digress.
Second, Joe Schad is now talking about multiple year bowl bans. Here is what Schad had to say in today's College Football Live show (don't have a link for this):
"They are anticipating a loss of scholarships, probation, a vacating of up to 2 years of wins, which would potentially lead to the loss of the 2004 BCS national championship. USC coaches are fearing a multi-year bowl ban. I'm told that they believe they could withstand a 1 year bowl ban on the strength of its recruiting. Still of course the possibility of Reggie Bush's Heisman could be stripped, although the Heisman trustees do not want to have to do that. The thing the NCAA has tried to find out in this whole process is what did USC know, what should they have known, and was there in fact a lack of institutional control." - Joe Schad
Note the highlighted part. That is the key. 1 year bowl ban is going to be a wrist slap and kind of a joke. We will see what happens.
Lastly, it already looks the Trojans might be preparing for an all out war against the NCAA. Garry Paskwietz, the publisher of WeAreSC.com ("an ESPN affliate") wrote late last week in their open forum:
One of the themes running through the endless reports on the NCAA investigation right now is the fact that the NCAA needs to come down hard on USC in order to send a message that they are doing their job. To me, this is a huge wild card in the case. I think we all understand that the NCAA is going to impose some kind of penalty and I don't get the sense that people in the athletic department are being naive about this either. Those penalties may even be a little uncomfortable and we may have to swallow hard and accept them but I also get the sense that USC isn't going to simply accept penalties which are considered beyond reason.
When it comes to this case, we hear a lot of people saying "where there is smoke there's fire so USC must be guilty of something". Well, I still don't know what USC is GUILTY of doing, there may been some instances where the NCAA says we should have been more vigilant but is that really an offense worthy of serious punishment? I guess we will find out soon enough. The NCAA needs to be careful though when it comes to listening to the howls of protest from those who are calling for a witch hunt in this case. The facts are what they are, nothing more. Punish us in a fair way and this thing gets put behind us so we can all move forward. But if the NCAA decides that this is a time to show their teeth, to show that they can stand up to big bad USC, then they are going to find out what a fight is all about. We're not going to let you make an example out of us just to fit your agenda.
He is one of the most informed observers on the other side. He will not throw around words like that so casually. He has tight and impressive connections (I am sure) with the folks at Heritage Hall. So yeah, a reasonable observer could construe that kind of saber rattling as a direct threat to the NCAA from Troy that they would unleash whatever legal recourse they might have under existing provisions. Here is what they can do under the current rules (per USCFootball.com):
Following the release of the report, USC has 15 days to submit a written notice that it is appealing any findings or rulings of the Committee on Infractions. Appeals are based solely on the school's belief that the committee's findings are contrary to the evidence presented, or that the facts did not constitute a violation of NCAA rules or that there was a procedural error in the process.
It will be very interesting to see how the NCAA responds to the kind of rhetoric coming out of Troy. As they say at some website: DEVELOPING.
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE (N): It looks like Southern Cal will "likely issue video statements tomorrow." Looks like there might not be any kind of "press conference." Hmm. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE II (N): This is interesting. Southern Cal will not issue a preemptive statement or hold a press conference before the NCAA annoucement? That is according to the Trogan cut and paster beat-reporter Gary Klein from the Trojan Times:
The NCAA has reported its final findings to USC and could make an announcement regarding sanctions against the school’s athletic program as early as Thursday, multiple sources close to the situation said Wednesday.
The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, investigated USC’s athletic program for four years regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo.
USC spokesmen declined to comment , saying the university would address the situation when the NCAA makes its report public.
That doesn't sound like a very confident PR move from the always uber arrogant Trogans. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE III (P): ESPN and the Trojan Times are reporting that USC has received the NCAA's findings, and that the sanctions to be imposed on the football program include forfeiting "at least the 2004 season", a reduction of more than 20 scholarships, and a 2-year Bowl ban.
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multi year bowl ban would be fantastic
don’t want to get to excited though, fingers crossed, lets hope justice is served
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I don't get it
If “repeat offender” means “that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty” and sc’s last sanction was 9 years ago…how can they be repeat offenders?
What am I missing here?
by RealisticBruinFan on Jun 9, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions
19.5.2.3.1
1. USC’s athletic department was placed on probation for a period of 2 years (8-23-01 through 8-23-03)
2. The NCAA took away 2 scholarships from Football, and 1/2 scholarship from Women’s swimming for the 2002-03 academic year
3. In addition to the above, USC became subject to the NCAA’s repeat violators policy (then NCAA bylaw 19.6.2.3, now bylaw 19.5.2.3), for a period of 5 years from the date of the NCAA’s infraction report and imposition of penalties (8-23-01 through 8-23-06). Specifically, Bylaw 19.5.2.3.1 reads:
An institution shall be considered a "repeat" violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty. For this provision to apply, at least one major violation must have occurred within five years after the starting date of the penalties in the previous case. It shall not be necessary that the Committee on Infractions’ hearing be conducted or its report issued within the five-year period. (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
If the current NCAA investigation finds that USC committed a major violation of NCAA rules before August 23, 2006, the university will be deemed a repeat violator. It is not clear what, if any, significance this would have on penalties imposed as a result of the investigation. Bylaw 19.5.2.3.2 gives the NCAA the ability, but not the obligation to impose the "Death Penalty" on athletic programs that are deemed to be repeat violators.
The audacity of South Central never fails to disgust me.
“We don’t like the judgment, so we’ll sue you.” How about you ask your compliance office to do it’s job?
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
The only thing the trogan compliance office complies with
Is their recruits (and their families’ and entourages’) monetary demands wishes.
Long and short of it
Long answer (based on N’s update): Not wanting to have a press conference could mean they don’t want to answer questions, which could mean that it’s BAD news. (Though I think I’d also read that several Trogan admin people were either out of town or traveling, so that could also explain it.)
Short answer: No point in speculating about the switch. We’ll know in less than a day.
I have a feeling
this “video statement” is going to sound a lot like Ahmadinejad responding to UN sanctions.
I was thinking Saddam's brother-in-law myself.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Jun 9, 2010 6:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Let em appeal.
Their reputation (what is left of it) would take on OJ-like hit immediately and would only draw out the issues over a protracted period of time, which would further damage recruiting and image (what is left if it) to every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there (aside from the JustU$C* blindos).
I like the timing, if it's true.
A couple days after our great softball team wins #106, the Troylets are set down for a few years as repeat offenders.
How are those scholies working out for the new U$C recruits? You guys better make sure you’ve gotten your pay and grades already in place, ‘cause you aren’t going to a bowl until you’re juniors.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
As for the timing, now we know why the time wrote that piece today.
Must have gotten word from u$c that it was time to release the piece that made it look like every cheats. My guess is that the piece has been sitting there waiting for the word on when u$c got the report.
Go Bruins!
fwiw
I’m have a former colleague who is very wired into the USC athletic department and their football/basketball programs. He was told today that it’s a two year bowl ban, but swears that USC will “not accept” a two year ban and has an “army of lawyers” who would be willing to take on the case pro bono and fight the NCAA.
We’ll see…
Nothing says "Guilty Trogan"
like hiring Cochran.
Who
like Robert Shapiro, was a Bruin.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 9, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Definitely not that proud to have those two men as Bruins. However, I find it ironic that when OJ needs a really good lawyer, he hired two Bruins.
by BruinGold82 on Jun 10, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
They could try to hire him, but I don't think they'd get too far.
Then again, after the oh-so-wise hiring decision they made with Kiffykins, hiring a guy with a big name (never mind that mild case of deadness) doesn’t seem so far-fetched.
Are they hiring zombie Johnny Cochran?
Because he died in 2005. That’d be awesome, though – a re-animated corpse defending USC’s athletic department. That sounds about right.
that will not surprise us at all
Then again they also talk up the “trogan family” nonsense a lot only to have Cheatey pass on Mays, drop Lendell and of course openly dissing Reggie Bush after paying him (allegedly) all those years.
by Nestor on Jun 9, 2010 7:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If the appeal is anything like the investigation
they could serve a 3 year bowl ban before anything meaningful happens. A potential bowl ban would be enforced during any appeals process right?
Update
He has now read the report. Definitely a two year bowl ban. He says USC will now appeal to cut that to a one year ban from postseason play.
They'll still have a bowl game
but it’ll be against us!!!! For the next two years(at the least).
Just penalty
The problem is a lot of them think a “just penalty” is nothing at all. If they do fight it, all out, who is going to come to their aid? Alabama? Oklahoma? Florida State? Any school? What makes them think they are a bigger program than Alabama anyhow? They would do well to accept whatever it is they get and move on.
If you ask me, a two-year bowl ban is something they can accept without losing too much face. If they fight it, they are going to waste loads of money. Hey, whatever.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
If there are severe penalties and they do fight it
I think it’s going to be interesting to see the approach they take. Is it the “we think you’re coming too hard and aren’t following precedent approach” or are they arrogant enough to try the “we didn’t do anything” approach?
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What is their angle here?
What precedence they are going to rely on? This will be amusing to say the least.
He didn't say
You have to understand that a lot of people over there are seeing red. A two year bowl ban is inconceivable to them. They see themselves as above the rules. They look at cheating like “everybody is doing it” and that Lake and Michaels were “outside agents” as was Rodney Guillory.
My buddy worked for Mike Ornstein for years, and I can assure you with 100% certainty that Lake, Michaels and Guillory had full access to practice, games and the locker rooms, as well as the USC football and basketball offices. So did Ornstein, who begged Bush to settle with Lake and Michaels. Of course, Reggie refused and the rest is history.
There was a lot of pressure on the NCAA from other programs that have been hit with probation… Oklahoma, Michigan, Alabama… that USC get nailed for what are pretty egregious violations.
USC’s strategy of stonewalling, imo, backfired on them. They have zero suction with the NCAA right now. They might appeal, but I can see the NCAA really dragging their feet on the process. USC might threaten a massive lawsuit challenging the NCAA, so we’ll see…
Def
If they get a 2 year bowl ban recruits in Southern California are going to be upset. Recruits like Wood, Baxter signed up with Hello Kiffin this year after they were sweat talked about not being any serious consequences. I personally don’t think 2 years is enough but it will enough to impact their program.
If they get 2 years bowl ban they will have noting to play for next two seasons. They are not going to be able to sustain in game intensity. Their bandwagoning fans are going to stop caring. And Kiffin’s credibility in the recruiting trail is going to be ugly.
Not to mention two year bowl ban will also mean no extra practices which will no longer be available as recruiting tools. Now of course Kiffin and Ogre are skilled enough and arrogantly dumb enough to think they can cut corners in the coming years but it will still be difficult.
Let’s see if this multi year bowl ban happens. If we get that and we get Texas, Texas A&M, OU, Ok St, Tech and CU, we are going to be off to a solid start this off-season!
Very good point.
If this is indeed true, Kiffin won’t have the opportunity to lost in a bowl game til year 3. I don’t see him lasting that long.
Two points...
First, to clarify, those who believe Lake and Co were “outside agents” are boosters and alumni, who really never got a straight story from Heritage Hall.
Now, to one of your points Nestor, I’m not sure that USC fans, coaches and players will stop caring about football. Coach Terry Bowden instilled an “us against the world” attitude in Auburn during the early part of the Nineties when they got hit with a serious probation and the Tigers went on to have an undefeated season. So I could see USC rallying around this to some extent.
My hope is this… Lane Kiffin and Ed Orgeron are exactly the kind of coaches I WOULD NOT WANT running my program if it got hit with probation. These are two very low character guys. I can see USC as a program having additional off the field problems and NCAA issues as long as Kiffin and Orgeron are running the show.
Good point about Bowden
But AU was on a bowl ban just for one season. Right? (Can’t remember off the top of my head). Also Bowden was at least an above average coach. Hello Kiffin? Well no one really knows but he does have a winning pct less than .400.
Can’t agree more with your last para.
And the coaches?
There are other people here that would have a better idea of how the College-HS relations work, but I would imagine that the local HS coaches would be pissed off, and maybe a bit betrayed (if they advised any of their players using that info) by the SC crew after being lied to regarding sanctions. That could have an impact on SoCal recruiting in the near future.
formerly bruinhoo
Could USC go anti-trust on the NCAA?
The NCAA has many anti trust exemptions, but could USC have found a loop hole in those exemptions that could be real threat to the NCAA?
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Maybe legislatively, but that seems far-fetched. Congress seems to like the ncaa
Would just$c* file a civil lawsuit? We can only pray that they do. Just$c* cannot survive discovery. First depo would be bu$h, and he wouldn’t be able to buy his way out of it. You heard it here first – tommy trogan would take it up the you know what before he would file a lawsuit and subject himself to discovery.
How does the appeal work?
Does just$c* appeal the ncaa’s ruling to the ncaa? That doesn’t seem to be a particularly fruitful endeavor. How many times does a trial judge grant a motion for new trial on the ground that he made a mistake in the opinion that he took four months to write based on an investigation tht it took him four years to complete? In my experience, on a new trial motion, the trial judge tries not to look bored and tries not to roll his eyes. I imagine if the appeal goes to the same body that rendered the judgment, that the “appellate court” will nod their heads appreciatively as they play solitaire on their computers.
Does the appeal go to the Court system? How would that work? Would just$c* have to file a lawsuit? Where? In LA? In Indianapolis? My guess is that just$c* would file, if anywhere, on what they perceive to be their home field. But just as the well-connected trogan thought there would be a squadron of lawyers who would take the case pro bono, there would be another squadron willing to handle the case for the ncaa on that same basis.
My guess is that just$c* will huff and puff and say all sorts of things and put as much pressure on the ncaa as they can, but they will NEVER file a lawsuit and subject themselves to discovery. A baby lawyer could take Mikey Garrett apart, and the ncaa would not use a baby lawyer to depose him.
Well, it will be interesting. I think I will watch the updates on the Weather Channel, because with all the spin coming from Inheritance Hall and its propaganda arm, the fishwrap, there will be major tornadoes reported over downtown LA as the report is released.
According to ncaa.org
“Findings of the Committee on Infractions and the resultant penalty in major cases are reported to the institution, which may appeal the findings or penalty to an appeals committee. After considering written reports and oral presentations by representatives of the Committee on Infractions and the institution, the committee acts on the appeal. Action may include accepting the infractions committee’s findings and penalty, altering either, or making its own findings and imposing an appropriate penalty.”
So it looks like the appeal goes back to the ncaa. I imagine they could also try a suit. I like that they’re getting a “high-powered” legal team together. It makes me think it’s bad for them and they’ll look even more guilty.
Go Bruins!
You can get all the high powered legal team members you want, trogans
but you’ll still have to have your guys sit for depositions, and no judge is going to let you get away with a lot of BS objections. The fist depo will take two months, because there will be a motion in the middle of it, and the Court will order a referee, and just$c*’s high powered legal team will do everything the can to block any depos. But eventually the deposition will be taken.
The lawsuit from national media for access to the videos of the depos will be equally interesting. I can’t wait to see the fishwrap siding with just$c* and fighting against public disclosure.
I'm sure they have already sketched out the appeal...
…and that it’s been in the works for some time. No way they wait this long to think through the options and recourse for appealing. Guaranteed that they already have a team of lawyers putting together an appeal – all they will have to do is some light editing at this point, after now knowing what the NCAA gave them in bowl game bans, etc. They will be ready to file an appeal in a matter of days, not months. Look, in their view, they already got rid of two cheating coaches (Peetey and Timmay), and the “see-no-evil” president. Now they will argue that they have already “cleaned house” (but then again, how do they explain Garrett still being there? Is he set to “retire” soon? Stay tuned.), and the penalties are “too harsh” when compared to penalties dished out to other schools. The spin starts NOW.
Yes
They can try to claim they already “cleaned house” but they will still have Lame and Ogre festering in the background.
Don't forget Garrett, if the dread "lack of institutional control" is in the report
Also keep in mind that Petey left because he was presented with an awesome opportunity in seattle, not because SC didn’t want his shady influence around, or that he feared sanctions. Nope, not at all.
formerly bruinhoo
I hope $C sues the NCAA...
just to see that lying peice of crap Pete Carroll give his testimony under oath with the threat of perjury!!!
$C has a cadre of lawyers ready to work pro-bono???
Sign me up to work pro-bono as outside counsel for the NCAA!
by DCBruinsSports on Jun 9, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If I made the law,
there would be a provision that said you can appeal a ruling, but if you appeal and lose, the penalties are doubled. Just for wasting everybodys’ time. Upset at two years bowl ban? Go ahead, $uc, play double or nothing.
Absolutely.
That’s the way it is with traffic tickets.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Fascinating
It’s all so fascinating isn’t it? Sigh…even if the stars and moon aligns and $C gets what they deserve, somehow, the truth will never fully be revealed as to how much they cheated and why.
But in a just world they will have to forfeit the BCS title at the very least.
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Bruce Feldman reporting via twitter
USC has been hit with a two-year post-season ban in addition to the loss of scholarships, among other penalties from the NCAA.
I like SC fans have tried to claim this had nothing to do with Cheaty Leaving
He may be slimy, but he’s no idiot
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
According to BRO
ESPN is reporting that the 2004 season is gonna be wiped out too.
Looking good
USC sources, who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak about the situation publicly, said they were bracing for the worst. One said the school probably would utilize an appeal process.
Asked if the sanctions were appropriate, a source said, “It depends how you look at it. It is if you’re a UCLA fan.”
I want no trogan presuming to say how a Bruin would look at anything
By definition, they cannot understand integrity, so they would not understand a Bruin’s percpective.
I check into WESUC every now and then
those posters are calling for the NCAA’s head. These next couple of days are going to be fun.
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
I'm so glad this didn't happen last week and the world had time to spend with Coach first.
Go Bruins!
Per Wolfie
Two Years By Scott Wolf on June 9, 2010 9:10 PM
A USC source says USC will receive a two-year bowl ban from the NCAA and that Coach Lane Kiffin is livid.
by bruinmike on Jun 9, 2010 9:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I had to check it out. What the heck is he livid about? Did they really think nothing would happen?
Hubris = u$c, laney, and all the others.
Go Bruins!
he has to say he's livid
Otherwise he has to admit that he’s that freakin’ stupid to sign up on the ketchup and mustard colored Titanic.
ROFLMAO
Did Garrett even lie to Lame in order to get him to take the job? Did he wonder why SC was offering HIM so damm much $$ (actually, probably never entered his mind).
formerly bruinhoo
Despite his whining,
This has to be the best case scenario for Kiffykins. He gets paid rockstar-like money and he gets to blame the big bad NCAA for him not making the postseason. AND, if someone points out that they didn’t play well enough to make the postseason even if there was no ban, he gets to cry about how “demoralized” his team is by the “unjust” sanctions. This situation is IDEAL for an idiot like him.
That is a reward in itself
the lame kitten is hissing at the big mean NCAA. Maybe he realizes he still hasn’t found a job he can goof around and win with. How many weeks till he resigns again?
Wow, first he lost in the sweet-16
as Esquire’s Sexiest Woman, now this! So it’s understandable that she’d through a hissy-fit.
Well the goods news is...
if he works on his girlish figure, next year he may be national championship!
How would the loss of scholarships work?
20+ scholarships over how many years? How are they phased out and then phased back to full scholarship totals?
20 scholarships is the total loss over a period of time
The total number of scholarships taken away is spread over a number of years. For example, a loss of 5 scholarships/year for 4 years, which would mean having a limit of 80 scholarship players in each of those years, rather than the normal D-i (FBS) limit of 85 for those years.
formerly bruinhoo
I've heard a different theory
where total schollie numbers keep getting reduced by 5’s.
Ex: 80 the first year, 75…70….65
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I've read a bunch of COI reports over the past few months
it is cumulative, though the NCAA can vary the scholarship losses per year (typically a bigger loss in the first year, and gradually easing until the total scholi loss is extinguished).
formerly bruinhoo
I think AMM was implying
that the number eventually reaches 0… at least that’s the interpretation I got a kick out of lol
This whole week has been like a star wars movie....
First, the light, the teaching of Yoda, then the unmasking of the darkness. It’s poetic.
Go Bruins!
Agreed. Our beloved master teacher has passed on peacefully...
… and balance is being restored to the Force.
I have to dig up my old post on projected penalties, but I think the thought of 20 lost FB scholies seemed too good to be true back then.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I thought 20+ would definately be on the high side
Sportscenter teaser just aired on NFL Live with the SC sanctions news.
formerly bruinhoo
Of course
Coach was already more powerful than they could possibly imagine. Hence the outpouring of love across the country (and the world).
Luminous Bruins are we, not this crude matter...
… and I can think of no better testament to Coach’s legacy than to see accountability, integrity, and fairness restored in collegiate athletics in L.A.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
no further penalties on basketball
Per Wolf
The NCAA accepted USC’s self-imposed penalties in basketball, though I doubt this soothes many fans tonight.
I guess the sacrifice of the basketball program wasn’t enough to save the Cheatie’s misdeeds.
Sacrifice
Missing out on the Pac-10 Tournament and NIT must’ve hurt.
by SuperBruinMan on Jun 9, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is shaping up to be a pretty cool Wednesday
School is finished, I received the SI with Coach on the cover, and now SUC gets punished
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
I haven't been able to find the Wooden cover yet at Borders.
Maybe it’s out tomorrow…
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Ah you guys are missing out
the fanshot was nice but seeing it before your eyes is beautiful. This sucker ain’t going in the bathroom, it’s staying in my room. I’ll probably frame the whole magazine or put in a plastic slip case.
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+1
I hope to see some decommits. Coach Neu and co. had better have their game on over the next few weeks.
Seantrell Henderson
must feel pretty dumb right now. Should have gone with his gut and not with Lame’s lies.
There should be a provision
for these poor dolts. They should have the option to be released without having to sit out a year. They shouldn’t have to suffer from the mistakes of others and lies of the current coach.
I think that if they can show that he lied(that's a given),
that they should be allowed out of their commitment.
I think players who signed with a school that gets hit with violations can transfer...
… WITHOUT waiting a full year before being able to play.
Any NCAA obsessives have more info on this???
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Not sure about incoming Frosh with signed LOI's
Some of SC’s current players will be free to ditch SC without the normal NCAA restrictions, once the appeals process plays out.
formerly bruinhoo
Only if the sanctions last longer than their remaining eligibility
Not sure about this, but I heard that if a student athletes remaining eligibility is equal to or less than the sanctions a school faces, then they can transfer without sitting out a year. So if they are facing a 2 year bowl ban sanction, then any Junior or Senior can leave and not have to sit out next year. A soph or fresh could not.
I have no sympathy for them
They had to be from the planet Neptune not to know what was happening at that school. Their agents surely told them. They opted for the under the table payments from just$c* and probably are content to play semi-pro ball for a year or so, attend class when they feel like it, get a nice new SUV or two, then go on to the nfl.
Or, as with some of the trogan recruits, they may simply be illiterate, and couldn’t read about what was looming over just$c*’s head.
re:There should be a provision
Sponkey21, I have to respectfully disagree. If they, their parents or advisors were not smart enough to have proceded with caution concerning a program that had this dark, dark, cloud hovering over it, they get what they deserve. Caveat Emptor. Perhaps this is an unofficial form of sanction for other programs, if the NCAA is investigating their programs perhaps you shouldn’t sign a LOI.
I certainly agree
that they have to have been living under a rock and should know better. I just can’t stand seeing talent deciding to go there despite everything. I just want them to suffer in as many ways possible. I hope they jump ship anyway, even if they have to sit out a year.
LOL'ing at weareSC
From one of their loyal minions:
i hate reggie bush and pete carroll
oh, if i only was a millionaire, the things i could do… i fucking hate those two SOB’s.
formerly bruinhoo
"What new lies can I come up with now?"
by Telemachus on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
I just cant believe how happy I am
even though I wish the penalty was worse, this is just so satisfying. Its felt as if we were trapped in some dimension where everyone but us UCLA fans were completely blind to the obvious cheating going on at SUC.
For so long now we’ve begged the NCAA to show some balls and come after them, for so long we’ve watched SC fans laugh as they skate away without punishment. Well finally it seems we can give a big SUCK IT to every stuck up, slimy, bandwagon riding USC fan, and man i’d be lying if I said I wasn’t thrilled
Growing up on the Westside, it has always felt a bit like its me against the world when it comes to the UCLA-SC rivalry, its been a tough decade for football, and I haven’t felt this good since 13-9, in fact, I feel better, because I think we’re finally going to end the great disparity in this rivalry
go bruins!
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Cant wait to see how the Trojie times covers this
So will it be another Sam Gilbert masterpiece tomorrow or an explanation of why the NCAA is terrible and evil, because we all no that the times isn’t going to come out with anything critical.
these mock ups are classic
you have to find a pic of lame talking to a recruit (like seantrell henderson) saying “sanctions will only be retroactive” while his nose grows and his fingers are crossed behind his back!
Transfer rules?
Anyone see anything about Trogans being able to transfer without sitting out a year?
I hope it is the case
rats jumping ship would be just as good as all the sanctions.
No, but I did find this
NCAA Bylay 13.1.1.3.3
Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact (e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the studentathlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-©]. (Adopted: 1/10/92,
Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
In short:
Assuming the report of a bowl ban is correct, SC’s rising Juniors and Seniors can transfer out without restriction, and can be recruited by other schools to transfer out.
If the appeal drags out so that the bowl ban does not take effect until next season, then it would be next year’s Juniors and Seniors that could leave.
formerly bruinhoo
oh man I hope then at some point the current sqaud gets stripped to the bone!
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I don't even care where they go
as long as they leave south central. Not many of the current players that I would want here, but I would love to see them as you say “stripped to the bone” with defections to Florida, Oregon, and Texas.
Wow
I get back from my High School graduation, turn on the TV, and BSPN says SUC will get 2 year ban from bowls, scholarship loss, and possibly losing Cheatey’s only National Championship because of vacating wins… what a great day!
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
Congratulations on your graduation, kid!
Hope you’re on your way to Westwood to join the Bruin family! If not, best of luck to you in all that you do, and we hope you come out to the Rose Bowl this fall!
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Going to ULV
with plans to transfer into UCLA.
The Rose Bowl has always been my home away from home, and thankfully the La Verne football season ends in mid-November, so even if there are some conflicts during that time, I’ll still be there to watch the official Downfall of Troy on 12/4.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
You're still part of the Nation, and ULV is a good school.
Ms. M was a mentor teacher to a graduate from there, and the young teacher is sharp and dedicated, so we know ULV taught her right.
Congrats again. I envy you a bit. You’re just starting the adventure.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Kiffininejad
Is going to be in full spin mode tomorrow.
But things are rotten in Troy!
I posted this back on January 14, during the Chow/ ESPN misreporting situation:
(1) As NC staying with us restored my faith in humanity, I will say:
(a) 4 years probation;
(b) 5 scholarships taken away for each of the next 3 years, and the 4th through 7th years being capped so they can’t just get a whole bunch of partial scholarships added on for all the ones they lost (i.e. a missing 2010 scholie doesn’t become a 1-year scholie in 2013);
© recruiting days reduced by 10 each year; and
(d) vacated Bush junior season (since I think that’s when the allegations arose and he got most of the hype), but not all of his years.
I don’t think they’ll chop off postseason play so as not to penalize current guys and give poor, poor Kiffy a break.
(2) Four. Seriously, not as much, because "Tennessee wasn’t under a microscope."
(3) Yes. I said NC restored my faith in humanity. I never had any in $C.
M
This might actually turn out to be better than I thought back then.
WOW. Still want to know how the 20-scholarship ban will work though. Is it 20 permanently cut, so they can’t add on 20 new 1-to-3 year signings to make up for it?
is it only 5 a year for 4 years , at which point (as Ms. M says) they just won’t put the kickers on scholies?
Either way, though… WOW.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Scholarships
No, they will just find 20 jobs to give to players parents so that they dont need football scholarships.
Remember Dillon Baxter?
“I talked to him (Lane Kiffin) yesterday. He said all the right things. I mean, all about the Reggie Bush thing and what not I am not sure what is going to go on …
All I was told that worst that could have happen is stuff that I mean … what happened with Reggie Bush is … take some losses away …but other than nothing could affect me or any of my team-mates in future. "
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/1/20/1261898/is-hello-kiffin-telling-trojan
Let's not get too far out in front of our blocking
So far we have seen nothing but leaks, and we have been given no evidence from which we can conclude that the leaker is credible and agenda-free.
Assuming the parameters are true, the loss is 20 scholarships over r years, or five a year? To take them from 85 scholarship players to 80? That doesn’t seem like much of a penalty to me. That’s less than ten percent of their scholarship players. We know that means the lowest five guys on the charts, so of the forty guys on offense and forty on defense, just$c* loses 5 fourth-stringers. That’s supposed to be a penalty? That’s nothing.
And if anything, the NCAA is slower than the federal court system...
… so who knows how long the appeals process lasts?
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
These tweets are awesome for various reasons
RT @MalcSmitty: …if this is true it’s like being a good boy all year long and no Christmas!
http://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/15829603765
After the Committee on Academic Approval approves schools, USC SRs and JRs will be able to be recruited by other programs.
We should really stop calling them 'scholar'ships
when it comes to SUC. Their inflated APR scores notwithstanding…..I highly doubt there is anything ‘scholarly’ about them…
Maybe ‘stipend’ or ‘emolument’….
I think I heard BSPN say that the APR scores based on
academic eligibility and if students stay on the team from the previous year (not including seniors)?
If so, then that’s why SUC has inflated scores… Everyone is eligible and since freshmen & sophomores stay, they get a better score.
The reason the talked about APR was because of Colorado & Syracuse not having the minimum 925? to not lose scholarships.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
And of course,
we all know we can’t REALLY trust every word out of their mouths, so it could be other criteria, but that’s supposedly what the main presumption is about APR.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
Wholly Cr_p....The world is coming to an end.
$C gets sanctions and the Chicago Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup
It's true
From USC Scout
The NCAA knows this will get appealed and over-turned, but had to put up a good show. The NCAA has never had this kind of pressure to “do” something. It will get appealed and the post season ban will be overturned, but the NCAA can say they tried.
by SuperBruinMan on Jun 9, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
thats what they get for not accepting me to their school
bwhahaha…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Markeith Ambles tweets:
Bad news for those Trojans.
Good thing I’m a TROGAN!
by Telemachus on Jun 9, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
2 year bowl ban not enough in my eyes.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
2004 not enough either
Bush was there in 2005.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Are they going to be up for more sanctions after the BS from this year
Recruiting violations, vehicles, etc…
That's what I was thinking.
I’m interested in the NCAA’s final statement. I want to know if they addressed the McKnight SUV.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
So about that "dynasty"
As laughable as the one championship “dynasty” that Petey had was, the trogans now become the first dynasty to not have a championship (assuming the BCS does the right thing, a big assumption on my part).
wearesc is hi. lar. ious.
It’s like a bunch of crack addicts after a friend OD’s…
’We’re going <inhale, pass> to get through <exhale, cough> this together…..’
by Scotucla03 on Jun 9, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And so my management maxim remains solid:
Wherever there is huge problems in the back-office (Raiders, UTenn, USC), there is Lame Kiffin, ready and willing to coach a football program collect a paycheck. I wonder how long until Lane realizes he’s the coach of last resort, and often hired only because people don’t want to touch a job with a ten-foot pole.
other sources.
just read the sanctions in the ap and the daily news. couldnt be happier
by bruinbornandraised on Jun 9, 2010 11:32 PM PDT reply actions
oh, for a perfect world
I just spent the second best twenty minutes of my life over at weare$c. If this were a perfect world I would have the franchise to sell valium, ambiem at $uc
Some poster said
the whole team should sit out a year as an F U to the NCAA. The other posters are giving him hell. Trogan-on-Trogan violence is the best.
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
Keep your fingers crossed
Wait till they eat their young!!
re: keep your fingers crossed
Something a prof told me when the stress becomes too great
Their attempted trashing of Yahoo is a sight to behold
At this rate, by this time tomorrow Yahoo Sports will have been guilty of everything up to and including the JFK assasination, if one believes weare$c.
formerly bruinhoo
If true
I think the punishment is good enough for me. I was hoping for a few more scholies lost, but good enough for me…
by impaulv on Jun 10, 2010 12:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
We have to worry about them from today until…eternity or at least the far future. Trust me this is a setback for them and that Fox sports guy really isn’t seeing the big picture. He’s talking like Kiffen is Carroll. I think this sets Kiffen up for a fall. Peatie bombs out in the NFL comes back in 5 years. No harm no foul other than the time lost in between. What we have to do is take advantage of this, that’s the bottom line. There’s going to be a deflating effect from this that will last about 5 years.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 10, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Decline of the Roman Empire
Little history lesson ….some historians think the beginning of the end for the Romans can be traced back to 276 and 277 …. the two years that the Romans couldn’t play in bowl games.
Thursday A.M. Is Coming Up Roses!
All this sounds very, very good. I really didn’t expect the almighty NCAA to stand up and show some spine for a change. Hopefully, this will knock those clowns from across town down to size.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 AM PDT reply actions
I remember as a little kid
that the Band would do a halftime performance on the “Downfall of Troy” during the last home game before facing $UC at the Coliseum.
I think the band should do the performance this year during halftime of the $C* game.
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
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