No Where To Hide: More Prominent Trogans Turn Against Cheatey Petey
Yesterday we noted that the rare (and kind of too little too late) LA Times (the official house organ of Southern Cal Trogans in Tinseltown's traditional media landscape) special report on Cheatey Pete Carroll getting exposed as a liar, featured prominent on the record quotes from a Trojan alumnus specializing in sports law. Then we learned about the details of Cheatey Petey's Seinfeldesque HBO interview which turned him into a "frikin' lame" joke across the nation.
It looks like the fallout from this interview has been pretty severe. Now more Trogans including a very prominent one is coming out and blasting Petey for being in denial. Garry Paskwietz, who runs the most prominent Trojan fansite online - WeAreSC.com - is no longer buying any of the weak spin about Carroll couldn't have known everything. Gary yesterday blasted Pete Carroll for playing dumb (emphasis added):
I understand the point [...] that PC shouldn't be responsible for EVERYTHING. But, he did micromanage and make himself aware of details in every aspect of his program as well as any coach I can remember seeing. He was on top of things and he asked a lot of questions. Early on in his tenure he called me into his office because he wanted to know details on how the internet sites worked in relation to his program and from a technical standpoint. There were many times when we would write a story and the next day at practice he would make a comment on something that had been written, I knew he didn't read the site himself but he had a way of finding out about it. I once wrote an article for the WeAreSC magazine which called him the CEO of Trojan football because I thought he ran the program with that kind of approach. He had a way of knowing as much of what was going on as possible and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.
I always got a chuckle out of the way he pretended not to understand the BCS "don't bother me with that, I don't understand the system". You're damn right he knew the system, he knew it well enough to talk us into a share of the national title in 2004, still one of the greatest PR acts I've ever seen. The BCS system was clearly in place yet PC knew the exact argument to make to get public opinion on our side, and it worked. That's why, in regards to the consultant issue, I'm not agreeing with his stance that he didn't check with compliance because he didn't think he had to. No, he knew the rules and he knew it was a close call and he made the choice not to check. Turned out to be a choice that came back to bite him as part of the ruling.
Those are pretty stunning grafs. Gary was not the only Trojan dismissing Petey's FAILED PR act this time around.
His meassage board is filled with reflective comments like this where some intellectually honest Trojans are no longer accepting the BS spin:
CPC may not have "known" anything and it may not have occurred to CPC that Reggie and his parents couldn't have afforded a new "chevy" - but he's the head coach and he admits that he's aware that as head coach he's ultimately responsible for all compliance matters involving the team - but he doesn't follow up to make sure that the compliance dept checks into and clears Bush's car purchase?
It's almost worse that he admits that he knew that the compliance staff was understaffed at the time - Carroll tries to defend his failure to follow up by saying "They (Compliance) took care of that. There's a process that the school has to go through to meet compliance standards. And they did that. They did it."
So perhaps it's dawning on few Trojans that it is time to face the music. The game is up.
It will be interesting to see how those guys can remain unified if Hello Kiffin, who is basically a less than mediocre version of Cheatey Petey cannot keep up with the unreal expectations around that program. Hilariously Kiffin instead of managing expectations have been building it up for the sake of recruiting (and because of his dumb Trogan arrogance). Yet it is becoming clear that there are clear fault lines emerging in Troy, which very well could explode into a bitter civil war. Fight on Trogans.
GO BRUINS.
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It's strange
that Garry P would voice such a an attack on Petey. He seemed to be a pretty big trogan homer once the sanctions were announced. Like most trogans, now he’s singing a different tune.
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
Kiffin's the best coach U$C could get!
… under the circumstances.
by KnudsenRockne on Jul 15, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
wondering
what do trogies have to be arrogant about?
Definitely entertaining
but it feels like it’s lasting foooorrreeeevvvveerrrrrr. Is it september yet?
Paskwietz makes a good point....
OMG, did I say that? Well, he does in terms of Petey being a well known micro-manager. Funny how he now claims plausible deniability.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")
BTW I'm getting so used to seeing "Trogans"
that “Trojans” just doesn’t look right!
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
now when i type on
a keyboard. It’s hard not to press the “g” instead of the “j”.
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
The HBO interview was great
I’m real happy for Pete the cheat now that he has more AWARENESS.
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
next stage
sounds like the “denial” faze has been realized and some are moving on. I’m still waiting for a responsible administrator or faculty member to call for the firing of Mike Garrett
Sisterhood
My girlfriend and I watched the Kremer-Carroll interview last night and couldn’t contain ourselves. Go Sister!
But we both agreed (and there may be others who disagree) he was truthful when pressed about his lousy record as an NFL coach. I don’t remember his exact words but the gist was that after failing in the NFL, he had to rethink coaching and the like. In other words, going back to college coaching gave him the chance to develop perspective on the NFL and coaching. His demeanor when seemingly candidly addressing that issue was far different from the earlier part of the interview when he acted like an indicted savings and loan executive trying to explain $12 million in his personal offshore accounts. The demeanor difference to me was staggering. Weasel double talk compared to an admission that when he left the NFL, he had a lot to learn about coaching football.
He still has a lot to learn about interviews.
For those who do not have HBO, its website has several snippets of Andrea’s interrogation and water-boarding. Notice that when his lips move—he is lying.
Just got done listening to
this lying tool on the Petros and Money Show here in LA. What a complete idiot! What was funny is that he told Petros that it was only one thing, just one little thing, that they didn’t comply with and that was it………and Petros, in typical Trogan alum spirit, said……“You’re right Coach”. What a complete moron. I wish I was at home so that I could have recorded it and counted how many times Liar Pete stuttered during the interview. It was so numerous that I couldn’t count. Unlike Pinocchio, whose nose grew larger with each and every lie, Peteyocchio just stutters and stutters away with each and every lie. It was actually kinda funny!
You can podcast it at petrosandmoney.com
I don’t think Petros was pandering, though. He’s been pretty critical of Pete in the past.
He reminds me of either Tricky Dick or Baghdad Bob...
Nixon knowingly lied right and left; Bob convinced himself of things despite all evidence to the contrary. Cheat Pete is either Tricky (my hunch) or Batty (the only other logical possibility). Either way, I’d rather read a John Wooden book for sound advice on how to live than a Carroll one — Coach’s is the nonfiction one.
the PC era at $c needs to have the same asterisk as the steriods era....
During the steroid era in baseball, nobody was willing to kill the goose that was laying the golden egg. Who didn’t get caught up in the McGuire/Sosa home run duel? We all knew by the time Bonds began approaching the record that something was horribly wrong. The same is true for PC era. The $C administration, MGarrett, the entire athletic department, the Trogan Times, the myopic fan base all yucked it up and stuck out their pompous chests for the past several years. But, those of us on the outside knew something was going on behind the scenes – something HAD to be going on behind the scenes. And now that Chetey Petey left Rome to burn, a few of his loyalists have finally found the stones to out Caeser. And, later rather than sooner, the rest of the MSM is joining in. I was so glad when Carrol quit because I thought I did not have to see that s**t-eating grin or that disgusting smirk any longer. Even though I love that the septic tank lid is finally being lifted off the Masoleum and Heritage Hall, it still disgusts me to see PC’s face on BN. A small price to pay I guess if justice is finally served.
Vacate the wins, the championships, and the Heismans.
They will still have their ill-gotten revenues.
it's like Christmas
And, it will drag on for the years of the upcoming sanctions.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
O.K. But, let's be fair to Pete Carroll
He was a pint-sized athlete in High School and College (Junior College).
He got a degree in P.E.
He was an “O.K.” defensive backs’ coach and DC – but not great.
He failed miserably at the Jets and not-so-hot at the Pats (with a Dorrelleqsue W-L record)
He was far from $C’s first pick as HC
His first season at $C was lack-luster
His glory days were when he had talented assistants like Norm Chow – and after his talent
left so did his glory
His recruiting prowess was based on enticing athletes with illicit benefits
His only ‘accomplishments’ are going to be wiped out by the NCAA sanctions
So, when we take stock of the man, Pete Carroll is a loser, as well as a liar and a cheat.
Let us not forget that!
"Success is peace of mind knowing you did something very very wrong, and got away with it."
But now he’s no longer getting away with it.
Maybe he should get Whoopi Goldberg to defend him.
On Roman Polanski: it wasn’t rape rape
On Mel Gibson: he’s not a racist
On Pete Carroll: they weren’t illegal payments, they were humanitarian donations.
by ucla7477 on Jul 15, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Arrogance is Gone???
How can you say the Trogans arrogance is gone, when they refer to illegally hiring an extra coach as a “close call”?
Not sure I said their arrogance is gone
I suggested there are some surprising self-reflections going on.
I gotta go with David on this one, N
When the guy who said “We didn’t cheat, we just broke the rules” admits that what he said was absurd and embarrassing and resigns, then I’ll concede that maybe the arrogance is fading.
In my opinion, what some of the trOJies are doing is to admit that the most obvious things are true. Some (not all) admit that Cheatie Petie should have known about bu$h’s car, but that’s it. They admit absolutely nothing else. The consensus as far as I can make out from my occasional strolls through Turdville aka the comiicals is that there were no violations, there was no lack of institutional control, that McNair did nothing wrong, that the sanctions are not justified at all, and that both they and McNair would surely prevail in a lawsuit against the NCAA. To me, the only shame they feel is having been caught officially. The prototype trOJan is only angry about getting caught, not that the underlying deeds were done.
I don’t see that as any sort of diminution of arrogance. If anything, it’s the opposite. “We’ve got to find a coach and an AD who can figure out how we can go back to business as usual WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT!”
I would love to see a lawsuit by USC against the NCAA!!!!
I suspect the NCAA found a lot more stuff on the trogans, but held back and released only enough information to justify their imposed sanctions. I also suspect they are using the information they held back as leverage to get the trogans to stop whining and accept the sanctions. A lawsuit (with subsequent discovery and depositions and court testimonies) would be the only way the real truth would come out. The trogans are either too stupid or too arrogant (probably both) to let their better judgment prevail and just accept the sanctions and move on.
by Chicago Bruin on Jul 16, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I never thought I would see this...
An article by Marcia Smith in the OC Register that is critical of Cheat Carroll!
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/carroll-258009-win-usc.html
Where was she for the past six years??
Marcia Smith
Hits the nail on the head when she states that she like others believed in the program. I have always thought she was smarter than that but my friend says that her past deference to SC and cheaty were probably dictated by the pandering OC Register bosses. I hesitate to use editors for that fish wrap
Marcia Smith is a moron
You can look her up through our archives. She admits in her article that she was a moron for pushing the line Trogans were a “model college football program.”
Guess this is a case of a broken clock being right. That’s about it.
She fits the classic definition of an appellate court justice.
She goes through the battlefield after the battle and kills the wounded.
The cheating was there when she thought Cheatie Petie was the best thing that ever happened to college football. Now, after someone else points out that there was blatant cheating — or if you’re a trogan, breaking the rules — she pontificates on how bad everything was. Marcia, when your only view when you open your eyes is your large intestine, it can only mean that your head is up your rear end. Why didn’t you do all the things you scold Cheatie Petie about? Why didn’t you ask any hard questions? Oh, that’s right. He was a fun coach.
I think Nestor is being a bit charitable. She has to smarten up quite a bit to qualify as a moron.
You’re too late, Marcia. What’s your next story, Marcia? Something about the Nixon White House?
She 'believed' in her paycheck
She was rah-rah about $C ‘cuz that’s what sold papers during their
heyday. Now, they’re all writing this “Oh no! We were fooled” garbage
because that sells papers today. It’s popular with the Trogan readers
(talk about an oxymoron) because it offers an excuse:
“It was Pete Carroll’s fault – he was supposed to be watching Bush.”
(To which we reply, “Who was supposed to be watching Carroll?”)
In any case, this book tour was perfectly timed to keep this in the news
and give sports reporters the scent of blood while it is still fresh . We
just need Reggie Bush to go on a book tour in a couple of months!
by KnudsenRockne on Jul 16, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Poodle makes me sick.
Can’t believe this pompous, his-ego-has-its-own-area-code jerk.
He’s promoting a book whose most redeeming quality is that some of the proceeds go to Carroll’s urban improvement charity project, A Better LA. Beyond that, it’s 228 pages of hypocrisy, philosophical sports clichés and ripoffs of the teachings of late and legendary UCLA basketball coach.
He’s practically stealing with his optimal-performance, competition-driven philosophy in his “Win Forever Pyramid” (Page 79) based on practice and maximizing potential.
We’ve seen this somewhere before. Oh, yes, it’s in Wooden’s “Pyramid of Success” and the do-your-best principles popularized during his 27 UCLA seasons and 10 NCAA titles from 1963-75. (Wooden wouldn’t have used “win,” though.)
Carroll, who credits Wooden’s for being both influential and inspirational, also writes on Page 109, “At USC I introduced ‘Three Rules,’ which became the foundational elements of our program: Rule 1. Always Protect the Team; Rule 2. No Whining, No Complaining, No Excuses; Rule 3. Be Early.”
At least Carroll changed up the order of the three rules Wooden told his players, among them, NBA Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who recalled the Bruins basics as " Don’t be late. Don’t swear. Don’t criticize your teammates."
This wanna-be guru does nothing but pervert what Coach sincerely and enthusaistically TAUGHT.
Poodle has as much right to call himself a teacher as Quagmire does.
I feel like showing up in a big chicken suit when he comes to Pasadena for a book signing, just to tick him off.
MIM
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
This Jerk-off's only "legacy"
Is one of being a liar and a cheat, and getting out of town ahead of the sheriff, while “leading” his team to a 6th place finish in the Pac-10.
Note to coaching minors.......
Want to learn about how to teach? Lead athletes? Read the works of Wooden and not Cheaty Petey.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

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