Spaulding Roundup: Palcic’s Emergence As A Recruiting Ace & Other UCLA Football Notes
Guess what. We have another roundup heavy on recruiting related notes. Scotucla03 fanshotted a cool story about one of the latest Bruin commits - OL Jacob Brendel - that ran in the McKinney Courier Gazette (which I am assuming his local home town paper from Texas). There are few nuggets from the article worth taking note of on the home page. Thought his impression on Coach Palcic was interesting:
Brendel said the Bruins first popped onto his radar about five months ago during the offseason after he was visited by UCLA offensive line coach Bob Palcic. Amidst gaining an interest in the school's football program, Palcic's honesty also struck a chord with the lineman.
"We really hit it off because he was the same type of person I am," Brendel said. "I'm not going to sugarcoat things; I'm going to shoot it to you straight, and that's exactly what [Palcic] did. He said ‘if you're interested in us, give me a call and if you're not, you're not and I'll move on to the next person.'
"That really caught my eye ... he just kind of gave me the facts and we went from there."
Admitting communications with the Bruins hit a lull for a couple months, Brendel revisited things with UCLA after the school year ended via the NCAA-mandated one call policy, which set the wheels in motion for a West Coast recruiting trip one month ago.
"They shot it to me straight," Brendel said. "They said they had two commits right now and had five spots, and we'd really like you to come out and see the campus. That was the next step."
Coach Palcic has built his reputation on being one of the best offensive line teachers in college game. It sure appears that he is also building quiet a rep when it comes to recruit. Brendel is not the first guy to gush about Palcic this recruiting season. Just days ago we read about Casey Griffiths taking note of Palcic's excitement on the recruiting front. Overall, it is another sign of what kind of emphasis UCLA coaches are putting on OL.
Note Brendel did mention that UCLA coaches told him they have "five spots." That number will be a little flexible given Brendel himself has indicated that he might consider if another amazing option opens up where a school like Texas pursues him in a way in which he is more than back up plan. Over all though from what I have read from him, so far it looks pretty promising that he will end up in Westwood His comment about Stanford in the same article was kind of funny too.
While we are all excited about Brendel coming into Westwood next year, a little bummer (but not surprising news out of Pacific Northwest). Julious Moore, the defensive tackle from Bellevue, Washington, who committed to Bruins this past year but couldn't sign a LOI due to academic issues, will be enrolling at Portland State this fall. From Bob Condotta in the Seattle Times:
Moore committed to UCLA after also considering UW, WSU and most of the Pac-10 (he actually never signed a letter-of-intent due to academic concerns). But he wasn't going to be able to get in to UCLA this fall and was slated to be a gray shirt --- meaning to delay his enrollment until after this football season --- Goncharoff said.
Goncharoff said "that was something he didn't want to do.'' He's able to get into Portland State for the fall, and Goncharoff said "Portland State might be a better fit for him in the long run.''
Goncharoff said when Moore's academic issues at UCLA became apparent shortly after signing day that he did talk again with coaches at UW.
That is a bummer (but not a surprise). I had some hope that he would stick it out and grey shirt, but can't blame his decision if he wants to get started right away. On a similar note, we have also been hearing that LB Taniela Maka (a recruit from 2009), who have been trying for a year to get into UCLA as a greyshirt will probably not make into UCLA this Fall (and go somewhere else). News like this is always tough. We wish there was a little more transparency from the UCLA administration giving us a little more information on exactly what precise criterias they are using to determine the academic qualifications for these recruits.
Speaking of recruiting, this shouldn't be news to people here but still always amusing to read from another town's publication. Lya Wodraska from the Salt Lake Tribune notes the not so secret reason why schools want to be in the same subdivision as UCLA and Southern Cal:
[I]t seems every school is clamoring to keep its ties with USC and UCLA for recruiting purposes. Talent-rich Southern California is heavily mined by every program in the conference.
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott plans to discuss options with league athletic directors later this month, though it could be October before a decision is made.
He has acknowledged that deciding who gets to play with the L.A.-area schools is a difficult task.
Something he should have thought about before hurrying through expansion early summer. In the article, the Utah officials are playing a little coy (unlike the ones from Colorado who are insisting that the Buffs be in the same division as Southern California schools). They can say whatever they want and could care less. No matter how cool they try to be about the whole situation, Pac-10 as a conference doesn't matter much without the schools from California.
The article confirms the influence Dan Guerrero can (and should) wield during this division alignment discussions. He needs to ensure that whatever is the final outcome, UCLA's interest is taken care of first. He needs to make sure none of the new arrangements disrupt any of the traditions impacting UCLA football, dating back to the original Pac-8 conference.
GO BRUINS.
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I'm gonna be upset
If UCLA won’t get the play all three California schools every year (whether by being in the same division or with pre-decided games). That to me would seem to be the core concern.
I don’t think the zipper plan (splitting up the rivals between divisions, but making sure they still play) would work, because you don’t want the possibility of the teams having the rivalry game to end the season and then both winning their divisions and ending up in the championship game.
The whole expansion thing is starting to look dumber and dumber. The Pac-16 with Big 12 schools would’ve worked well, but taking Colorado without Texas was a mistake.
Zipper and # of conference games
further, if I’m unsterstanding it correctly, the zipper plan won’t guarantee that we play both of the Bay Area schools every year unless we meet in the championship game (especially if we stick to 8 conferences games as we should—see below).
Wilner mentioned in his blog a few days ago that the conference is more likely than not to play 9 conference games. That is stupid. That essentially gives each of our conference teams, on average, an additional half a loss onto their records. It’s one of the prime reasons the PAC 10 rarely got a second BCS bowl bid. I understand the need to live with 9 conference games if we have a true round robin, but to suffer more conference losses just because Scott didn’t think this whole expansion plan through properly is unacceptable.
by truebluebruin on Jul 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
8 makes the scheduling simpler too
You could play all 5 in division then 3 of the 6 in the other division. Every team could also play an equal number of home and road games.
It would also mean 7 teams get to play in LA each year. If there were 9 conference games, then 8 teams would get to play in LA each year. That’s presumably the main motivation for playing the extra game.
by SuperBruinMan on Jul 17, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree with both your points
Your second point concerning 9 games is only a positive for teams outside LA (recruiting of course), though. It doesn’t help us at all and hurts the league as a whole relative to conferences that only play 8.
by truebluebruin on Jul 17, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
8 games makes the scheduling simpler too
You could play all 5 in division then 3 of the 6 in the other division. Every team could also play an equal number of home and road games.
It would also mean 7 teams get to play in LA each year. If there were 9 conference games, then 8 teams would get to play in LA each year. That’s presumably the main motivation for playing the extra game.
by SuperBruinMan on Jul 17, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Two questions:
So who dictates to whom? Do the new guys, who bring bupkes to the table, tell the rest of the league what’s going to happen?
Shouldn’t this issue have been thought through just a tad before the brain surgeon rocket scientists who frantically got the expansion that they ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY OMG had to have? What’s the difference between this expansion idea and the decision by the mayor of Troy who thought “Hey, there’s this neat wooden horse outside. Let’s bring it inside the gates!”
I guess that was more than two questions.
What's wrong with keeping quiet?
I don’t know about you, but to me it looks a lot better being the new guy that’s just excited to be in the conference, (see the last quote in the Trib article) than the new guy making demands…
I will be bummed
if we dont get to play washington state every year.
A bruin is good forever, a Trojan is only good... ahh eff it, just use tin foil
Conference Play
In the SEC everyone plays the five members of their division, plus one permanent rival from the other division every season. The other five rotate on every third year changing one opponent every year. It has worked out well, a couple of times teams face a team they played in the regular season in the Championship game. It might turn out to be a problem this year as Florida rotated onto Bamas regular season. Depending on how well the teams do if they were to meet in the championship game they could knock each other out of a possible BCSNC game. But winning all your games will take care of that problem. I wasn’t fond of it in the beginning when we added two teams but the PAC 10 or 12 should be able to make it work, and have an exciting Championship game. U$C probably won’t like having to play another game that matters but the Championship will get great ratings, I know I will be watching unless some nimrod scheduled it at the same time as the SEC Championship.
I'm having trouble with the concept here.
How about a schedule in which every team played every other team? It doesn’t take a great deal of smarts to figure out that having every team play every other team would be a pretty fair way to decide the championship. That was the way things worked in baseball. Every team played every other team the same number of games: 11 at home and 11 on the road for a nice, tidy, 154 game schedule, and then there was a World Series. Why can’t that happen in the New, Improved Pac 10?
Oh, wait. We no longer have that ever team plays every other team the same number of game. We have expansion in baseball, and every team plays every other team, but a different number of games. That’s OK, though, because every team in your division plays the teams you play the same number of times that you play them.
Oh, wait. We now have interleague play. So now some teams from the American League get to play the Pirates a bunch of times, while other teams get to play the Phillies a bunch of times. Yeah. That’s fair.
But that has nothing to do with the New, Improved Pac 10 (which 9 out of 10 dentists recommend). We play a 12 game schedule, so we could still play every other team in the conference. Oh, wait. We can’t do that, because we want to have lots of teams go to lots of bowls, and that means we can’t make the obvious and simplest choice, which it to play every other team in the conference.
I guess I’m just not smart enough to make it in the modern era. I thought we were trying to win the conference championship and go to a post season bowl and incidentally to go undefeated and be national champions. I forgot that we are trying to enhance revenue first and foremost. Life really gets complicated when maximizing revenue is the foremost goal for all decision-making. I can see it now: “Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I’m Professor Allen, and this is Econ 1, brought to you by Geico. Can 15 minutes really save you 15% on car insurance? Just look at the monitors for the next minute, and then I’ll start the lecture.” Increase the revenue on national TV? No problem – just more cleavage by the dance team.
Is there a point at which we just say that we are not going to do something just to increase revenue? And Bruins, if you say, “Well, we have to do what all the other conferences are dioing,” ask yourself if that doesn’t sound just a bit like the trOJie’s main argument about sanctions/
As for the point about admissions and grades for recruits...
We wish there was a little more transparency from the UCLA administration giving us a little more information on exactly what precise criterias they are using to determine the academic qualifications for these recruits.
I would leave it alone. I really don’t think it’s helpful to print that “Recruit X had less than a 2.0” or whatever the bottom is. And I think it is lower than you think, even at UCLA. I know a little bit about athletics and admissions, and it would amaze many people how low the bar is for academic standing to be admitted as a “5-star athlete” at many schools.
I don’t think these young men need their lack of academic prowess to be aired publicly. Let’s just trust the UCLA administrators to do their jobs.
Based on some observations of athletes on the sidelines at Stanford recently, they have definitely lowered their standards for admission for football. I don’t view that as a positive. A young man who is not academically suited for a UCLA, Stanford, Cal, etc. should not be there, even as a athlete (remember Billy Don Jackson, who was called a “functional illiterate” by a judge?). There are plenty of other lower tier schools where they would be a better fit. It may bother some that we don’t get a recruit because his/her grades and scores are too low, but it certainly doesn’t bother me one bit. Let them be Trogans!
I disagree
We can’t leave it alone especially in borderline cases. If we do then UCLA coaches shouldn’t be complaining when we lose recruits to institutions in similar standing such as Cal Bears. I actually tend to fall more on the side of Bears fans on this.
This hasn’t been an issue in last two years but this notorious during Dorrell years when we would lose a recruit to Cal. In those situations a little transparency should help clear up in cases there are misinformation about our program.
Transparency in admissions may help *you* but it would open a can of worms
If UCLA were to publicly spell out the admissions standards for athletes they might be opening themselves up for a lawsuit. Note that admissions are not based solely on objective numbers. There are other considerations which are more subjective and making those transparent means having to justify them – maybe in court.
Even if UCLA won every single case, it would open the door to lawsuits.
by KnudsenRockne on Jul 20, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
FERPA
UCLA has to respect the privacy of its students due to FERPA.
by KnudsenRockne on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Bruin sports, and respect your point, but...
…I admire student/athletes more than athlete/students. I’d rather we fielded a team of academically-prepared students than top-flight athletes who happen to have a 2.0 in high school. We’re no better than the Trogans if we do that. I understand your consternation when we lose a player to Cal because of academics, because it seems to make no sense. But if they are basing their decisions solely on the academic integrity of the school, then I am with them. Perhaps you are right that some transparency is in order – -meaning that we don’t necessarily trust them on this. Honestly though, I am way old school. I’d rather get the stuffing pounded out of us if we field a bunch of academics and “they” field a bunch of athletes. We’re an academic university, not just a farm team for the NFL. I wish there really was a farm system for football, like baseball (and to a lesser extend, the D League in basketball). I’d be prouder if a fellow academic could line up and play on Fall Saturdays, rather than a bunch of athletes who just want to go to the NFL, and consider the academic aspect of being a Bruin a nuisance.
False Dichotomy Alert
Our administration being more forthcoming about their standards has nothing to do with lowering those standards.
I don't know what you're getting at...
…nothing false about suggesting that I prefer academics over athletics where UCLA is concerned, but obviously UCLA should want the best of both worlds. There are plenty of student/athletes who are smarter than I am and better athletes, and I’m all for those. I’m just not for “outing” academically marginal students just to satisfy the call for accountability. Our recruits deserve privacy – especially if we don’t take them. I don’t care if Cal has lower standards – let them. I don’t even understand what some are suggesting as to why we don’t have an administration that is as willing to admit certain student/athletes than other schools that are more willing, like Cal and other similar schools. Maybe the UCLA administrators do better due diligence and it’s not just about grades. Would you want the administration to publicize a kid’s rap sheet too, if that is what is holding them back from accepting them? I say relax, and let CRN and staff recruit like the dickens and get as many potentials through as possible, and let the administrators do their thing.
Yawn
Way to get worked up over nothing. In no way did I suggest invading anyone’s privacy or lowering our standards. I just want the question that’s been hanging over our heads for who knows how long finally answered. If you want to get butthurt over things I never said and go off on nonsensical tangents about rap sheets or whatever bullshit thing you’ve cooked up in your mind, then by all means go ahead. I prefer transparency and you prefer putting your head in the sand. To each his own.
Who talked about compromising academic integrity?
It is ridiculous for you to insinuate we are suggesting compromising academic integrity. No one here made that proposition. So your false dichotomy is a little ridiculous.
What we are only suggesting is that UCLA officials be more transparent. You cannot claim UCLA is protecting academic integrity in certain situations (unlike the obvious ones such as Remi Berry or Marquis Jakcson) that are not clear cut. You cannot make claims of academic integrity in certain cases when the facts are not available.
Lastly, we are all supportive of CRN and his staff. However, that support doesn’t translate into blind faith.

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