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Spaulding Roundup: Chow Admiration, Shirley-Washington Chatter & Other UCLA Notes

Let's start today's roundup with some quarterback recruiting notes. Doug Tifft from the OC Register (unlike his Trogan hack colleague Adam Maya) actually posted some useful UCLA related information on the "UCLA blog" of the OC Register.  Tifft has some info on Stephen Rivers, the brother of outstanding San Diego Chargers QB Phillip Rivers, who might be interested in UCLA:

The elder Rivers reflected on his shared visit to Westwood at a lunch with local writers on Monday, including some positive signs for Bruins fans.

"[Stephen] was impressed with the place," Philip Rivers said. "And obviously with the history that I have with Coach Chow, he thinks a lot of him. So I think he is still keeping it on his short list."

The elder Rivers gushed about Chow to the local reporters in San Diego:

While Philip's only involvement in his brother's recruiting process to marvel at how early the modern high school star is recruited, he is able to lend a unique view of life as a quarterback under Chow.

"[Chow] was passionate, but not a screamer or yeller," Philip said. "He was a calm teacher of the game - didn't get real animated or fired up. He was easy to learn from and a very engaging person."

Rivers enrolled at North Carolina State early and started behind center immediately, so his experiences with Chow came at a critical time in his career. That is a large part of the reason he says Chow "was a big reason for getting me off to a good start [to my career].

"I think the biggest thing [Chow] did for me going into freshman year was he put me in a position to be successful," Rivers said. "We talked about tailoring the offense to fit the quarterback. He obviously had a system for years and years and years at BYU, but he tailored it to what I could do and be able to do as a freshman. He finagled it to make it simple so we could go out and be successful."

Hopefully years from now Kevin Prince and other UCLA QBs will be making same comments about Chow. FWIW, despite the story above not really sure how serious UCLA and Rivers are about each other.

Guess we will have to find out how rest of the chips fall in the coming weeks.  According to Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times (via RealDawg.com), Brett Hundley is now planning to to take unofficial visits to both UCLA and UW before making a final decision. It is unclear when these visits are going to take place, so not easy to come up with "a timeline is for a decision and announcement."

As a Bruin fan, I'd recommend not getting worked up over any of this. I'd be worried if Darius Bell had not gotten into Westwood. Now that he is hire our depth is looking much better.  Hopefully CRN will bring in a solid QB this season. If not provided our offense take necessary steps forward this coming season, we should be able to snag elite QBs in 2012.

Star-divide

Speaking of UCLA and Washington, lot of breathless chatter on both Dawgman.com and BruinReportOnline.com message boards about whether Josh Shirley will end up in Montlake. It seems like the Husky fans are feeling confident (and weirdly giddy) about the idea of getting Shirley into the program before the start of the season.

Keep in mind even Southern Cal - yes Southern Cal Trogans - shied away from pursuing Shirley "because they did not want to suffer the public relations hit of recruiting a player kicked off UCLA's team for an arrest." Yet, this is not a problem for Hello Kiffin's twin Steve Sarkasian.

If Shirley ends up with Washington, it will be a little amusing to see the same Husky fans who still can't stop talking about disciplinary issues with Neuheisel's UDbub program, rationalizing signing someone who was dismissed from Neuheisel's program due to disciplinary issues. I should also add that how Shirley and the two other frosh - Paul and Shaquille Richardson - react to their recent disciplinary measures will tell us a lot about their characters. Are they going to take responsibility and work their rear ends off to rededicate themselves in a JC (before coming back to UCLA) or are they going to take the easy way out and play the "victim" in this situation? We are going to find out eventually I guess. Either way, CRN and UCLA made the absolute correct decision and our program will be stronger for it.

Moving on to some more predictions, Dave Curtis from the Sporting News ranked UCLA at number 46:

Why we know we're right: The offense will be better. UCLA hopes to enhance its stagnant running game with a version of Nevada's pistol offense. Returning five offensive linemen with starting experience will help, as will sophomore quarterback Kevin Prince improving from an inconsistent freshman year. Bank on 6-5 Nelson Rosario to have a huge year outside.

Why we might be wrong: The defense. Losing All-American tackle Brian Price should make the Bruins more susceptible to the run, which means big trouble in the Pac-10. The unit still features individual stars, led by safety Rahim Moore and linebacker Akeem Ayers. Still, just three other starters return, and that makes this defense middle of the Pac-10 pack.

Our confidence level in this pick: Medium. The Bruins have some individual stars on defense, and the schedule brings five conference home games. But without major improvement on offense, especially running the ball, UCLA could sink below .500.

Nothing in there we don't already know. Jon Wilner from the San Jose Mercury News also wrote a mediocre "preview" for Sports News Yearbooks creating drama that doesn't exist in Westwood:

The Rick Neuheisel era at UCLA  has not lived up to the hype, which may not be the coach's fault. Combine the Neuheisel name with fans' desperation and a talent-depleted roster, and it's easy to see why too much might have been expected too soon.

But in Year 3, it's time for Neuheisel's energy, offensive coordinator Norm Chow's playbook and all those highly rated recruits to pay dividends for the Bruins.

Uhm ... kay. Wilner provided no evidence whatsoever about exactly "who" "expected" "too much" "too soon" in Westwood. Guess that is what happens when these guys have to write short, uninformative, vanilla previews without much substance within word limit restrictions.

Expect to read more "previews" like that in coming weeks. As for us we just have to keep in mind as long as we keep making progress and build on last year's winning season with hopefully a winning record in the conference, we will be in good shape heading into 2011.

Well I will just end with the following tweet from MJD (HT Angulo):

College football is about to start and I think my bruins are gonna do work this year.... UCLA is where its at (cont) http://tl.gd/2jlt83

Enough said.

GO BRUINS.

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FYI Nestor, you have small typo.

The link says Austin Rivers (Doc Rivers’ son, a hoops recruit). Philip Rivers’ brother is Stephen.

by orlandobruin on Jul 20, 2010 5:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Doh

Well we def. have no shot at Austin Rivers.

by Nestor on Jul 20, 2010 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Austin will likely be going to Duke.

Stephen, OTOH is intriguing.

It is also kinda weird that Philip Rivers is mentioned in a UCLA story (this one) and a U$C* story in the same day. He was at ESPN Zone in SoCal for an unrelated matter at the same time as Cheatey Petey was attending a sparely attended book signing; they spoke briefly and were photographed together.

by orlandobruin on Jul 20, 2010 5:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably has to do with convenience

Philip was doing a media availability yesterday in which he answered wide range of questions. Petey is on his shameless tour. So it was convenient for So. Cal. reporters looking for easy, high profile angles to their stories.

I am not sure how intensely UCLA is recruiting Rivers. Perhaps the coaches are going after him hard but haven’t gotten that vibe from what I have been reading. I could be wrong.

by Nestor on Jul 20, 2010 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

You hear so many

QBs speak so highly of coach Chow you know he has the talent to coach the position. If Prince doesn’t show marked improvement? It’ll be because he doesn’t have the talent for the position. Nestor is correct in saying the Bell signing was huge for the team.

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on Jul 20, 2010 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

OLine was the biggest deficiency.

CRN and CNC inherited a team with virtually no offensive line. I think this pushed the timetable back a year or two from what was hoped. Hopefully, the recent emphasis on lineman will pay dividends and allow the Bruins to run the ball with some proficiency. I am not sure it will happen this year, but next year we should have a solid running game.

by 75NatChamps on Jul 20, 2010 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

That

And also the fact that we lost our QB 1a (Cowan) and 1b (Olson) in CRN’s first spring practice.

Again what would someone like Sarkasian would have done if he had to coach without Jake Plummer last season?

by Nestor on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pistol Offense

Is it just me or does it seem like the MSM is overly obsessed with this? Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding was that this is just an additional formation that was added to the offense to give us a few more options. All of these previews I keep reading seem to imply that this is what we are going to be running exclusively.

by Insomnia333 on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Love MJD

Always reppin’ UCLA and telling the world the truth about those sucsters.

As for Shirley and the 2 Richardson’s…..if they don’t think it’s worth their time to show everyone that what happened was simply a mistake of youth and not indicative of who they really are, they can all step. Don’t want guys on our squad who are looking for the easy way out because they’ll quit on their teammates and us when s**t hits the fan IMO. As for UDub, if they take Shirley, their entire fanbase needs to end their criticisms of CRN. Been reading a lot about how good a coach Sark is. Not buying it at all. He’s just a snake like Lame except he’s more suave about it.

by BlueReign on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

UCLA QB

It seems to me that an Elite QB would want to go to UCLA. We have not had one in some time. Are we giving rivers too much credit because of his bloodline? Hundley rates higher and I think would be more exciting. Im sure the reason a few recruits went elsewhere recently is because Prince is looking like a solid starter and maybe they dont see a chance to start in the next couple of years. I hope we land a good one soon. It will change the landscape w other players undecided as well. I would like to see more 4 & 5 stars as well. We get plenty of 3’s…. LOL

by BruinAllDay on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Stars

Don’t get to excited about the number of stars, let the coaches judge the players they need. Obviously we need some studs.

by Bruin'96 on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hows Come?

  What gives? Norm Chow is suppose to be the QB guru of all gurus. QB’s who have studied under him all praise him to the heavens. Why is it that we have not been able to attract a high profile stud QB? What is there about the Bruins that seems to make stud QB’s shy away?

by Twothphry on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Huh?

Exactly how have stud QBs shied away from UCLA. In his first year CRN/Chow brought in Richard Brehaut, who was a very highly rated QB. He is only a freaking sophomore. So it’d be extremely premature to give up on him.

Last year we did have Nottingham on board until he screwed us at the very end. So CRN improvised and got us Darius Bell, who has the potential of being meaningful contributor at UCLA.

This year we are in the hunt for Hundley. We also have Trevor Gretzky on our radar. There is also a chance we’d pursue Stephen Rivers. There is a long way to go in this recruiting season.

And oh … Kevin Prince is a pretty solid QB … for reasons discussed in detail here in BN (do some easy research and you can locate those post).

So how come we still see people making simplistic, uninformed comments not based on any facts? Again, would rather see this kind of takes (not based on reality) limited to message boards or in talk radio.

Thanks.

by Nestor on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just a little impatient......

 Having been a Bruin fan for as long as I can remember, I’m a grad class of ‘67, I’m just a wee bit impatient .I was a season ticket holder for 20 years until I moved to No. Cal.So I’ve seen my share of Bruin football.
   I love CRN and his staff. I guess I just want us to get back to where we were before KD took us down wrong road. Over the years we have had good and even some great QB who went on to the next level and excelled.
  I quess I just didn’t realize that KD left the cupboard so bare that even the magic of CRN and CNC couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty back together over night. I guess this year will really reveal how we are doing in rebuilding my proud Bruins.

by Twothphry on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Slightly off topic but..

The 4 letter network has their Elite 11 write up and it talks about SUC’s QB lineage. The write up is totally on Kessler. I know Wittek is not there but he is not even mentioned. Also Kessler said he was ready to sign with Wash. before he got his SUC offer. If he signed with UW do you think Hundley would be ours by now?

by uclaves on Jul 20, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patience

CRN & Chow have recruited some studs at QB but they are young and Chow
is Chow’s a guru not a magician – it takes time for him to develop QB’s

Making matters worse, CRN had to rebuild the entire offensive squad so
everyone’s young (i.e. inconsistent). We often single out the O-line b/c it’s
deficiencies have been the most obvious – and painful – but the running backs
& receivers he inherited weren’t elite. Think back on all of those dropped but
catchable passes and all those times Craft ate it because he couldn’t find an
open receiver. Also recall all of those 1 or 2 yard gains (or losses) because
the running back was a half-step too slow.

IIRC: when CRN was hired, Nestor posted a prediction saying that, given the
‘empty cupboard’ he inherited and the level of competition in the Pac-10, we
should not expect to see any winning seasons for the first 2 years and no Pac-10
championships for a few more years after that. Well, CRN is (barely) ahead of
Nestor’s schedule – so be patient.

by KnudsenRockne on Jul 20, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand and agree

I don’t blame CRN or CNC, but can’t say I’m not disappointed. UCLA has generally been a team that has gone as far as it’s QB has taken them (at least in the years I’ve been a fan). With CRN and CNC at the helm of the offense that we’d be able to easily land a highly regarded QB every year.

First year was good with Brehaut.
Second year got screwed with Nottingham.
This year, possibility in Hundley, and picked up Bell (who I’m not that familiar with).

I’d want 1 every year because well, top rated QBs don’t always work out, so if 1/2 of them do you get a great QB every other year on avg. We’re not there yet, and if we miss out on Hundley where does that leave us?

by bruin1999 on Jul 20, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again this is a flawed observation and disrespectful to Prince

Because you don’t take into account it was Neuehisel and Chow who brought in Kevin Prince their first season. Brehaut came in their second season. This year we had Bell.

If you guys want to disrespect Prince then go right ahead but don’t come back here to jump on our bandwagon when things move forward in the right direction.

by Nestor on Jul 20, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prince

You can’t completely blame them…fans will be fan(atic)s, and we haven’t had the best of luck with QBs, of late. Prince did show moments of brilliance – but ultimately he was inconsistent…especially after his injury. It also might not help that Brehaut showed off a cannon of an arm, in his limited playing time.

by SakeBomb on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brehaut does have a very strong arm,

but I will takes Princes quick release any day. He has one of the quickest releases that I have seen in a long time. I think it is what sets him apart.
If his strength and quickness have improved along with the added experience, we may have some fun times this year.
Hopefully his added muscle will help keep him healthy (slide).

by LongtimeBru on Jul 21, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two different styles...

As long as Prince is efficient, then I agree.

However, it was always thrilling to watch Cade throw down the field, and just tear up the defenses.

Either way, hopefully our line and running game are much improved.

by SakeBomb on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

This has nothing to do with Prince

This has to do with life after Prince.

I like Prince, and hope he has a very successful UCLA career – same goes for Brehaut and Bell. I respect Chow and when he says Prince is the type of player he can see sitting at the downtown athletic club when they announce the Heisman trophy, that gets me excited.

But here is where we are today, barring any injuries, transfers or other random acts:
Prince is our future for three years tops. After year 3:
Brehaut could play year 4, if he redshirts.
Bell could be a great backup or overtake Prince/Brehaut, but we only have him for 3 years max.

What about years 5 & 6?
Ideally we’d have a star incoming freshman redshirt this year (2010) and take over year 5 when they’re a SR, which we lost out when we lost nottingham.
We’d also have a star incoming freshman next year (2011) that would take over in year 5 and be around for year 5-6 and push the 2010 recruit in competition. For this person we’re recruiting Hundley, who’s down to UCLA/Washington, so say we have a 50/50 chance at landing. And we are targeting Nunes who is not a ranked QB recruit, and not sure where we are with him.

So basically, life after Prince is a 50/50 shot at landing Hundley. If we don’t, it’s unknown. I don’t doubt CRN and CNC can pull it out, but with all our QB troubles, and knowing how important a strong QB is to UCLA’s success, I can’t deny that I wish we had a strong answer to this issue and not just a maybe. So yes, I agree with the previous poster with being a bit impatient, and a little disappointed we’re not a little more secure.

by bruin1999 on Jul 21, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Garrett kicked out

and replaced with Haden.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Choices

I think we have an image as soft. I dont agree. I just think we have good character. The academics are more difficult and we do lose some borderline players because of that. I am glad usc has been brought down to earth. That should help with some local elite players. They had the image as the place to be for many young football players. Now kids are forced to make a good choice instead of the popular one. Im sure the 2 usc QB commits that we offered wish they had it to do all over again…. as do many players. How could any student athlete in their right mind not jump on the chance to attend such a well rounded school like UCLA…… I would in a heartbeat!!!

by BruinAllDay on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Gutty Little Bruins

It is amazing that the leader in NCAA national championships still has an image
of being an underdog – and one who wins a moral victory just by trying!

Granted, our only FB national championship was a l-o-n-g time ago – but we’ve
won 18 Pacific conference championships (and if I counted correctly, we have
the 2nd most Pac championships). And we’ve finished seasons ranked in the
top ten 16 times out of the last 60 years. We have a number of players currently
playing in the NFL and some Hall of Famers, too.

Sure, we’re coming back from a long winter of discontent, but over the long run
the Bruins are contenders. Why do so many people think we’re “soft”?

by KnudsenRockne on Jul 20, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

That's what games

in Miami can do to your program.

RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS

by AMM19 on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at that Game

And that phantom fumble by WR Brad Melsby (Poli-Dixon???) was complete BS!!!

While they did let Edgrinn James run all over them, that play, had the ball not gone over to Miami would have most likely prevented UMs last TD.

Heartbreaker!!! They were destined that year…would most likely have won the game in September if it wasn’t for that freakin’ Hurricane Douchebag.

by C.T. in Boston on Jul 23, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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