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Wooden's Player - Andy Hill - Shreds LA Times For Ignorant Smearing Of Coach

Last night I posted about that the joke that is The Los Angeles Trojan Times cowardly retracting comments attributed to Andy Hill (Coach Wooden's player), which they used to smear Coach. They buried their retraction in the "for the record" section. Looks like there is lot more to it.

Andy Hill also recently blasted Chris Dufresne (who wrote that smear laden, cowardly column to attack Coach within 3 days of his passing and then took an ignorant cheap shot at UCLA football) for his garbage (on MoneyPlayersBlog with a little emphasis):

Chris:

I am a former UCLA basketball player and a lifetime subscriber to the L.A. Times. Your column this morning made me sick to my stomach. While our city grieves the loss of the greatest coach of all time, you dust off this rumor-filled piece of innuendo-filled garbage and call it journalism. Do you call relying on 29-year-old articles reporting? Why didn't you reach out and do some original research?

It was bad enough that I was completely misquoted by your newspaper in Coach's obituary regarding Sam Gilbert and his influence on UCLA basketball (has there been a retraction and/or correction...maybe you or Mike James could follow up and let me know). Is it just about selling newspapers? Is there some point in time when your conscience will kick in and you will simply tell your editor, "No thanks, find someone else to write that one?"

So I guess I can look forward to your next column on Kobe's rape problems in Colorado when the Lakers win the title. How about a rumor-filled column on Pete Carroll's supposed young Malibu girlfriend for the next football preview? How about a piece on Mark Sanchez raping a girl when the Jets are in the playoffs? Really, is this what you think your readers want? And again, what about the timing...not even a week after Coach's passing, while so many people around the world are both grieving and paying their respects for a life well-lived? But of course, it's Journalism 101 and there must be "balanced" reporting...no matter the extraordinary circumstances, and that the information is old, tired and rehashed. Nice.

If you want to actually know what happened, why don't you try finding out for yourself? It is truly astounding to me that the man in charge of UCLA athletics, J.D. Morgan, who told Coach that he would "handle" Sam Gilbert, is never mentioned in any story anywhere...not once. If you had contacted me, or lots of others who could have led you to me, we would have had that discussion, maybe even leading to some original information and some ultimate truths, which, after all, is what journalism is really about. What a concept!

If I wanted a rehash of old columns from your own paper, I can just use Google. Which, by the way, might be a good tool for you to use in helping to locate information and key sources for an original story about Sam Gilbert.

Andy Hill

I am so glad Andy wrote this but I would love to see more Wooden players step up this way and speak up against the garbage that is LA Times.

It is pretty simple at this point. If you are a UCLA alum, student or a die hard Bruin fan, you should no longer be subscribing to the Trojan Times. We shouldn't be supporting Trojan trash that is used every day to amplify sleazy propaganda from the Heritage Hall at the expense of our Bruins.

Not a penny for the Trojan Times. Not any more.

GO BRUINS.

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by Nestor on Jul 3, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

As i said before

Taking FOX71’s advise, I did cancel the fishwrap.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Jul 3, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

as a poor college student

I have never had a subscription!

I agree with Nestor’s sentiment, more Wooden players showing their support.

by BruinEngy on Jul 3, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

So glad

my driveway is no longer besmirched by the foul fishwrap; as of July 1st!

by daggy on Jul 3, 2010 10:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Please try to stop insulting fishwrap by comparing with the Trogan Times!

Fishwrap, at least, has an honest and useful purpose. The Times are used for lying and and covering up Trogan misdeeds.

by Chicago Bruin on Jul 3, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Spread this post to everyone in every way you can.

Beside dumping the fishwrap, this is how we can counter their biased agenda and false publications and get the real truth out. Every bit helps. Andy Hill is a Bruin hero.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jul 3, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

+1 on Andy Hill

I am glad he stepped up and like his mention of JD Morgan. Also it should not be forgotten that during Wooden’s time their was NEVER even an allegation that Gilbert was involved with recruiting. Wooden is a national treasure and should be treated as such.

by DCBruins on Jul 3, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's been a long while since we cancelled our subscription...

But do they still post letters to the editor in the Saturday sports section? You think they will have the guts to post Andy’s?

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Jul 3, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

What's really great

Andy’s letter is brilliantly stated. Whether its Kareem’s books, Keith Erickson’s eloquence, or Andy’s letter, these players have gone on to live real lives. Just like Coach expected them to.

by peggysue69 on Jul 3, 2010 12:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Andy's response

is awesome! Let’s hope more former players step up and hammer the times. Andy let me personally thank you for stepping up for a man i will always love and respect.

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on Jul 3, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Great job, Andy!

These letters hold more weight when they come for a player of Wooden’s. When we try to write, we get “oh you Bruins are so sensitive”. I wonder what Douche’s response was to Hill?

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jul 3, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Andy Is Spot On

Andy gets to the root of the problem — there is no “reporting” going on at the LA Slimes.

“Do you call relying on 29-year-old articles reporting? Why didn’t you reach out and do some original research?”

They don’t seem to understand that research, verification, and attribution are essential components of getting the story right. They rarely give us attributed primary data. The story about coach was an egregious violation of the standards of responsible journalism. But, at the slimes, that’s the way they do things.

The comments about Coach were reckless. But, it was no different than most of the articles about UCLA run on the slimes sports pages.

The slimes has skated on this, and other stories, because suing them for libel require one to wrestle the pig in the manure yard. The pig could be beat but the stench of contact might never be removed.

However, there is a part of me that wishes someone with standing would go after the slimes on this issue — and I do not think the “clarification” was a sufficient retraction. Because Coach was a public figure, one would have to prove that the slimes was either reckless or malicious in slandering him. I don’t think that a difficult burden to carry. To prevail, the slimes would have to prove that (1) the story was true or (2) that it was not malicious or reckless. To prove the latter, it would have to show that it did research and had proper sources to substantiate the story.

I really think the slimes would have a tough time doing either. Especially when one if its sources has come out and said he never said what the “reporter” attributed to him.

Journalism has been disgraced by the behavior of the sports staff.

In the end, we will have the last laugh. Unless the Trogans decide to subsidize the slimes because it serves as an official house organ, the slimes will disappear within a couple of years.

Of course, most of us won’t know it is gone because we stopped our subscriptions years ago.

Peggysue also is spot on. Look at Coach’s boys, Andy, Kareem, Bill — look how they’ve lived, what they’ve accomplished and what they’ve contributed to the world. They are the true story.

Bruin or not, I really don’t know why anyone would subscribe to the slimes. If they can be so wrong on the sports page, think of how they must be massacring the other “news” in the paper.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jul 3, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

It's been a long time for me on this, but I don't think you can defame someone who's deceased as a matter of law.

But someone who sells Wooden paraphernalia might have standing based on disparagement of Coach’s memory and the negative impact that would have on sales. I think that would be a much easier way to go than trying to prove actual malice.

by Fox 71 on Jul 3, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe I should create a “Ban the LA Times” Facebook account?

by Bruinfreak on Jul 3, 2010 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of a ban, at some point, DG will show some balls

and stop giving the slimes press passes.

No good seats and no more weenies for you LA Slimes.

Want to cover our programs? Buy a ticket.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jul 4, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Few things

I wish Mr.Hill would have ended with some declaration that he will no longer subscribe to the Trogan Times.

Also, I still don’t understand why Bill Walton does not issue a press release denying the quote attributed to him in that scott book Wetzel keeps espousing. He may have refuted them, but I don’t ever recall seeing them in print. And as long as they remain verbal refutations and not in print, it’s as if they don’t exist.

As much as I think Mr.Hill has the right idea, it’s still just a letter. Until something more concrete is produced, a letter here or a letter there does nothing. If anyone knows Rick Reilly personally, I would love it if he wrote something specifically challenging Jay Bileduct and that stupid article he recently put out there. I would love to see something more reputable go line by line refuting Bileduct and calling him out, even daring him to explain his motivation for writing a piece like that since he never once confronted Coach while still alive.

by bruin 95 on Jul 4, 2010 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Last thing

How any Bruin can still subscribe to the Trogan rag is beyond me. It is freaking outright damnable that there are some of you who continue to subscribe. You can get all the basic material online for free. Is it the coupons?

Damn it. Stop subscribing.

by bruin 95 on Jul 4, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

one more point

If you go to the times website (intentionally not linked here), the sports section will offer a link to the bleacher report with stories from a SUC idiot talking about how much he hates UCLA, and wearing his SUC colors on the UCLA campus while working with some kids there. He is their SUC football writer.

The UCLA section talks about the expansion of the conference. Not a real story about UCLA anywhere. F the Times.

by silverlakebruin on Jul 4, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

the bleacher report

is where the notorious Bruin hater Lisa Horne post most of her garbage. It Blows

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....

by TheUclan on Jul 4, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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