Couple Of Revealing Notes On Kevin Prince
by Nestor on Aug 12, 2010 3:10 PM PDT
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As noted by Coach Rick Neuheisel in yesterday's post practice presser Kevin Prince sat out third day of pre-season camp due to "a pulled oblique muscle." Per CRN it wasn't anything serious and Prince should be back soon. Anyway, Prince has been the subject of number of profiles this week in various articles covering the start of UCLA's camp. Ramona Shellburne from ESPNLA wrote up one of those profiles and she came up with couple of interesting bit of information. She gave us some info. on the close relationship between Coach Norm Chow and Prince:
When Prince was deciding whether to take his Mormon mission a few years ago, he leaned heavily on Chow.
When Chow was weighing whether to join Lane Kiffin's staff at USC this offseason, he reached out to Prince.
"I feel like we're pretty close," Prince said. "We're of the same faith, and that connects us. During the offseason, if we haven't seen each other for a week or so, he'll give me a call just to check in and see how I'm doing.
"I just feel like we're on the same page. When you're with a coach in meetings through three years, you get to know how he talks and you adopt the same type of language."
I am guessing the relationship between Chow and Prince was also one of the major reasons (along with his relationship with CRN which has always been under-rated or discounted by tradmed), Chow offered his recent indication of staying in Westwood for at least two more years. There was another interesting detail about Prince from that Shelburne piece which I well get to after the jump.
There was also the following nuggets about the leadership Prince showed organizing this year's off-season workouts:
"If someone didn't show up or someone was late, he'd get on you about it," junior wide receiver Taylor Embree said. "He'd call you and ask where you were or why you were late. We needed that.
"At the end of summer, no one was missing, no one was showing up late. You could just tell that he's leading the team and leading the offense."
Now the question is: Just how far can Kevin Prince take them?
Can't wait to find out.
GO BRUINS.
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Chow needed advice on SC??
Geez, I hope when he “reached out to Prince” it was so the two of them could have a good laugh over Kitten’s desperate ploys, and NOT because he was really considering going back to that steaming cesspool. I’d like to think Chow has the integrity not to even consider making the same mistake twice!
Not so simple
Trojans from all indications threw piles and piles of cash at Chow. When someone is in his situation he or she’d be smart to consider all factors before turning all of that down.
Chow being the cerebral and nononsense person he is considered all factors (one of them was getting to coach Prince) and stayed blue. At the time we extensively discussed how Chow would go about analyzing his situation. So not a surprise to hear Chow thought things carefully before turning down piles of cash to stay in the right school in LA.
by Nestor on Aug 12, 2010 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We have a great quarterback and leader
Glad to have Kevin on our side
by TheNewBruinPrototype on Aug 12, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions
Not crowning him yet.
Prince needs to now lead the team on the field. All this is nice media fluff, but lets see how he handles himself during the season. So far so good.
All my wishes
Are for our own Fresh Prince’s health this season. I believe as long as he can keep himself on the field, the rest will take care of itself.
+1
People forget that KP didn’t play for 2 years. IMO, he was solid and you can see the potential that CNC talks about. I think KP is set for a pretty good year especially with the young talent that is poised to make their mark after taking their lumps.
maybe its the crown and coke talking
But I feel the same way. If the fresh prince can stay healthy, the opportunity for our offense to grow into a touch down red zone scoring machine will be there. Eight clap off my balcony. The neighbors now know there’s a bruin presence in Oregon!!
by westwood12003 on Aug 12, 2010 10:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Just poor writing??
“When Chow was weighing whether to join Lane Kiffin’s staff at USC this offseason, he reached out to Prince.”
A 60-something professional reached out to a 20-something student for advice about career direction becuase of a faith-connection???
Hopefully just poor writing skills…or perhaps a misunderstanding of the discussion by a young adult. But heaven help us (no pun intended) if Chow would have seriously considered working again with someone he knows better than most from his years at $UC.
Reaching out--don't get me started
The use of the terminology “he reached out” is a bad language choice which has unfortunately become a modern wordy bromide.
My earliest recollection of the use of this tiresome cliche is from legislators who use the phrase, “We reached out across the aisle in an effort to reach a compromise.” At least there is some metaphorical substance to the concept of a legislator “reaching out” when he or she walks across the aisle of a legislative chamber, actually shakes hands with a senator and suggests a compromise to a member of the opposition on a bill both sides want enacted.
But the phrase is overused by people, including journalists and pundits, who do not see the need to be precise. Instead of saying, that she or he wrote, spoke, talked, chatted, offered, e-mailed, texted, schmoozed or kibbitzed with, threatened, recruited, bribed, cajoled, begged, groveled, told, asked, counseled, bored or called, many contemporary writers or speakers use that tiresome “reached out” nonsense.
I mean, Hitler didn’t “reach out” to Stalin about the annexation of Poland. Did Columbus “reach out” to Isabella about that sailing trip to the New World? And I don’t recall Coach Wooden ever “reaching out” to anybody.
In the piece you reference, the “reached out” stuff is not in quotes, so it may not have been used by the source. And I doubt CNC told Prince about the sc offer, “I need to reach out to you, son, about the offer I just received from the Gates of Hell, from Satan himself.” Well, CNC most assuredly referred to Satan and the Gates of Hell but he sure never blithered on about this “reaching out” jazz.
I obviously wholeheartedly agree with your excellent point.
by peggysue69 on Aug 13, 2010 5:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sounds like CNC's contact with Prince is generally over a multitude of formats
Assume that CNC could conceivably have called, texted, emailed, video-chatted and spoken in person with Prince over that period, “reached out” could be taken as shorthand, synonymous with “communicated”.
In this case, it is also more directional than “communicated”, as “communicated” doesn’t necessarily imply initiation from one side or the other, whereas “reach out” clearly does.
The author also clearly intends to portray this as each confiding in the other about a difficult decision, but with Prince relying more on Chow than the other way around, hence “leaned heavily” vs “reached out” in the parallel structure.
In general I dislike the overuse of this phrase, but I don’t object to it here – certainly not nearly as much as I object to the near-juxtaposition of references to genocidal maniacs with a reference to the greatest coach in the history of sports, used to make a point about someone else’s writing… but admittedly, your criticism is leveled at someone who is being paid for their writing, rather than someone posting on a message board.
by britishbruin on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably right on the Adolf-Joseph point
I was trying to come up with three examples of how reaching out would have been a lame choice of phraseolgy. And I went a bridge too far one the first one.
A better one would have been, “Did General Grant reach out to General Lee to meet at Appomattox Courthouse?”
My criticism though of its use is there are more precise ways to describe contacts between people and institutions. And in writing (although you would never know it from reading my ham-handed opinionating) precision, clarity, is the goal.
Last point on Coach Wooden. His writing avoided cliche.
by peggysue69 on Aug 13, 2010 12:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"on" not "one the first one"
Argh
by peggysue69 on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sure
and in some cases, very precise description of the contacts between people may be cumbersome and inelegant; or may be too clinical (ie not providing the author’s intended emotional nuance). In the case above, though, it may just be that he doesn’t have the actual details and didn’t interrogate either party to get a more precise picture of events.
by britishbruin on Aug 13, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but
Depeche Mode told me to reach out and touch faith. Who am I to disagree?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
as the oft-quoted maxim almost goes
listen to rapide mode, but don’t listen to depeche mode
by britishbruin on Aug 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
What does speed have to do with fashion?
Depeche Mode means Fashion News or Fashion Update.
Peggy…how did you drive us to this on the word use of “reach out.”
All I remember from the dark ages was the Four Tops telling us to just “Reach Out” and they’d be there.
by C.T. in Boston on Aug 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
I just got upset waiting for my flight to take off. I am guilty of OT on steroids!
by peggysue69 on Aug 13, 2010 1:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
also can be translated as "hurried fashion"
as stated by the lead singer of Depeche Mode in an interview here .
Just trying to bring you some cunning linguistics. Apologies for your confusion.
by britishbruin on Aug 13, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
All in good fun.
I can’t imagine $UC having the enjoyable ‘mind’ bouts we Bruin fans love having with one another!
I do remember someone bitchin’ on a string that the back-and-forth wasn’t about football (sport) - must have been a troll.
I love the flight of intellectualism that runs through the posts. I got off on a religio-spiritual rant with Fox71 the other day, which I think was started by one of Peg’s posts. Great stuff!
by C.T. in Boston on Aug 13, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This is all about UCLA
In order to get into UCLA, you have to be smart. (I got in on a clerical error.) Thus, some of the writing on this site is excellent.
Look at Britishbruin’s criticism of my use of Hitler and Stalin to illustrate a point in the same paragraph where John Wooden is mentioned. Well, that was a failed juxtaposition if there ever was one. IMHO, Britishbruin’s critical analysis was superb literary criticism.
But the issue arose because of a reporter’s story about Kevin Prince. Sure it was just a debate about a reporter’s story about a quarterback—but it arose because there are people who passionately care about UCLA athletics and since they went there, they are eager to and capable of writing about this great human venture.
That venture occurs on Spaulding Field and in the Rose Bowl. It occurs on a campus dedicated to learning. The venture is explained to the public by reporters. And we get to write about it.
Go Bruins!
by peggysue69 on Aug 14, 2010 10:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Faith
I have faith in Kevin Prince.
by peggysue69 on Aug 13, 2010 1:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Enjoy The Silence..
Depeche Mode, my favorite band.
UCLA BRUINS,my favorite team.
by lasportsfan101 on Aug 13, 2010 9:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just Love Prince's Leadership
The fact that he’s able to show his true leadership ability as a sophomore, no less, speaks volumes about this guy. I feel incredibly confident about what we’re going to be able to do with him calling the signals for the next few seasons.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Aug 13, 2010 4:35 AM PDT reply actions
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