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BN Pac-10 Power Poll: Pre-Camp Edition

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We've decided to bring back the BN Pac-10 Power Poll a bit early with a pre-camp edition of the rankings. For those of you who may have forgotten, the BN Pac-10 Power Poll is voted on by the frontpagers of BN and ranks the Pac-10 teams, 1-10, each week during the season. The poll is not about ranking the teams based on best record, reputation or anything of the sort. It's simply a ranking of who we think the best teams are. Once we get into the season, we also start including Player of the Week, Stat of the Week and Game of the Week in the weekly post.

The one consensus that we got from these pre-camp rankings is that there really isn't a consensus. Six ballots came in and three different teams earned number one votes. Oregon St. got four of those, but were also ranked as low as nine on a ballot and aren't even the top ranked team. There was a lot of differences in each ballot because there is so much uncertainty in the conference. It looks as if the conference will be filled with great quarterbacking, but the presumed top two, Andrew Luck and Jake Locker, come from teams that lost a Heisman Trophy finalist and haven't been to a bowl game in years.

So, here is the pre-camp BN Pac-10 Power Poll. Make sure to chime in below with your own Pac-10 rankings or your thoughts on the conference's teams with kickoff just a tick over a month away.

Pac-10 Power Poll

1) Arizona Wildcats (one first place vote)- A year ago, the Wildcats finished in a tie for second in the Pac-10 along with two other teams and were in the running for the conference title late on in the season. This year, Arizona brings back one of the conference's better quarterbacks, Nick Foles, and will look to find enough defense to win them a conference that is truly wide open. As the only Pac-10 or Big 12 team to never make it to the Rose Bowl, the Wildcats are more than due for a New Years Day game in the Arroyo Seco and this year they could get it.

2) Oregon St. Beavers (four first place votes)- The Beavers haven't been to the Rose Bowl since 1965, but they came damn close last year. A thrilling Civil War game to close the regular season went the way of their Oregon rivals and sent the Ducks to the Rose Bowl instead of the Beavers, but in 2010, the Beavers appear to be one of the conference favorites. With Jacquizz Rodgers in the back field, Oregon St. has one of the country's best runners and Mike Riley always manages to put together quality lines, although it will all go up in smoke if they can't find someone to put under center.

3) Stanford Cardinal- Traditionally one of the worst teams in the Pac-10, Stanford has been reinvigorated by Jim Harbaugh and last year, finished tied for second place. Last year's edition of the Cardinal was led by Toby Gerhart, but now the 2009 Heiseman Trophy runner-up is gone and Stanford will have to find a way to replace over 1,800 yards and 28 touchdowns. To offset that loss, Stanford will lean upon Andrew Luck, their hotshot quarterback who is making NFL scouts drool with his off-the-charts skills. If Luck can lead the team, the Cardinal will win their fair share of games because they will win up front on most days with a strong offensive line.

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4) Oregon Ducks- This team took step one last year and was supposed to contend for a national title this year, then the offseason started. Last season's conference champions, Oregon was primed for bigger and better things with Jeremiah Masoli and LaMichael James leading a potent offense, but each was arrested and now James is suspended, while Masoli is out of the program. What was once going to be a dream season for the Ducks is now filled with uncertainty, although they do seem to have a stable defense that should keep them in most games. If they can weather James' suspension and get quality quarterbacking, they may jump back to the top of the Pac-10.

5) UCLA Bruins (one first place vote)- They're a dark horse, a very, very dark horse, but UCLA has some intriguing pieces. Kevin Prince showed flashes of being able to lead a high-powered offense and Nelson Rosario showed that he could be one of the best receivers in the conference. A more experienced offensive line might be what it takes to, A) keep Prince healthy, B) develop a solid running game and C) give the Bruins a consistent offense for the first time since 2005. If it comes together, the Bruins can make a run with the conference's best kicking game and several stars on defense, but that offensive consistency will only be a dream until UCLA proves it on the field. For now, navigating a brutal schedule and a conference record over .500 appears to be the goal.

6) California Golden Bears- The core group of players that were responsible for earning Jeff Tedford's Bear high expectations in past seasons only to fall short are gone, for the most part. The 2010 Golden Bears are missing the big names of year's past, most notably Jahvid Best so now the attention turns to Shane Vereen. The speedy tailback gives Cal a gamebreaker, but it will be their ability to handle the spotlight and adversity that will make or break Cal's season. They haven't been able to get it done in past seasons and talent or no talent, that will have to change if they are to find success in the wide open Pac-10 this season.

7) Washington Huskies- A once proud program has been the laughingstock of the conference recently, never more so than when they went winless in 2008, but after winning five games last year, the Huskies feel like they can turn things around in 2010 largely in part to one player. A Washington high school legend, Locker became a hero to Huskies when he chose to stay home for his college ball. Now, Locker is being touted as a Heisman Trophy candidate and the purple clad Husky faithful hope that he can be the first Washington player to finish in the top three for the award. More than anything though, Washington is looking for a postseason return and tightening up their defensive fundamentals is step one.

8) USC Trojans- If USC is to take any positives from this offseason, it's that they've been in the headlines. The Trojans have been in the headlines for all the wrong reasons though. They lost their head coach to the NFL, then hired one who has yet to prove he can win as a head coach. To top that the NCAA dropped sanctions on them that took away a good chunk of scholarships and banned them from the postseason. Now, USC will have to make do with what they have, even if transfers are making what they have weaker. The Pac-10's dominant team has been cut down and you can bet that the conference's other nine teams will not take it easy on them now that they're convinced they have a chance smack them around a bit. If the Trojans can figure out a way to win, they'll be bucking the entire history of sanctioned teams struggling so odds aren't on their side.

9) Arizona St. Sun Devils- They can tackle, but when you can't score or hold on to the ball, you're going to be in trouble. Last season, the Sun Devils had a fierce defense that was led by a freshman linebacker, Vontaze Burfict, and figures to be at least solid again this season. The question is what do you do about an offense that didn't even show sparks last year? After finishing in the bottom quarter of the nation in offense a year ago, Arizona St. will need to figure out how to score without much of a talent infusion or Dennis Erickson may be on the way out in Tempe. Maybe a coach on the hot seat is what it takes to to spark the sleepy offense because if not, it will be another long season in the desert.

10) Washington St. Cougars- Last place may be a sad spot, but being used to it may make it a little easier. For the past several seasons, if Washington St. wasn't in last place, they were in second to last place and this season doesn't appear to be any different. It took a comeback and overtime for the Cougars to get their lone win last season and they've won just three in the past two seasons combined. Their defense was ranked 118th in points allowed a season ago and their offense was even worse at 119th. A home game versus Montana St. in their second contest of the season gives the Cougars a chance to get a win under their belt, but they better cherish it because there isn't much reason to think they'll get more than that.

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Death and taxes

Death and taxes are certain as is the fact that Washington State will end up dead last in the PAC-10 but will still have a better chance of making it to the Rose Bowl on New Years Day than southern cal.

Everything else is up for grabs is as illustrated by the split votes on who will win the Pac-9 (PAC-11 next year).

by peggysue69 on Aug 2, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

definitely not wanting to encourage sports gambling

as that is the sort of thing that gets you into trouble in the Pac-10,

but the odds on Bodog right now to win the conference (no odds for $C due to ineligibility, so unclear where they would pick them), purely for informational purposes:

Oregon: 5/2
Oregon State: 3/1
UCLA: 9/2
Washington: 9/2
Arizona: 5/1
Stanford: 7/1
Cal: 8/1
ASU: 12/1
WSU: 30/1

Seems like bookmakers are even more generous to us than our own BN editors; and UofA, Stanford getting much less love from bettors than from BN… but the parity is clear (WSU aside…)

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Not encouraging betting either

But I will cover the WSU bet for anyone wanting to make it. But as Peggysue says, you gotta love the fact WSU’s odds are better than the trogans of winning the PAC 10.

I also think the truth is any team other than ASU and WSU has a shot at the PAC 10 title this year.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

I even think ASU could pull it off if they turn their offense around.

by captainqtp on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't blame me

I admit I’m probably drinking way too much blue-and-gold Kool-Aid, but I really believe this Bruin squad has all the pieces to finally be consistent, hence the first place vote. Is this the best team in the conference? Not by a long shot, but we do have a solid defense and a servicable offense, which should keep us in most games. In those kinds of games, the outcome usually comes down to luck and special teams. Our special teams are outstanding, and given our run of bad luck, we’re due for some good.

by Bellerophon on Aug 2, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

hm...

well, I’m not sure of the logic of picking a team as #1 if they aren’t the best team by a long shot… but unless you’re placing huge wagers online and shifting the odds, you’re not to blame for the tie-3rd odds above.

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best team...

…often never wins the title. It happens in every sport, in every league, in every part of the world.

by Bellerophon on Aug 2, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah, if I knew about the good luck we are going to have this season

then I can make a case for a few comprehensive wins and several lucky wins to get us to a 7-2 record and hope that we own the tiebreakers after some tough fought wins at home to OSU, UofA and Stanford…

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think...

…a lot of folks are turned off by the out of conference schedule. Yeah, that looks rough, but the Pac-10 is really wide open and I think the in-conference schedule is geared to help us, with home games against Oregon State, Arizona, and Stanford. Cal and Oregon on the road are going to be tough, and I think we lose at Cal, but with Oregon’s QB situation in flux, I think we can force enough turnovers and offensive missteps for the Ducks to eek a close one out.

Just a hunch, is all.

by Bellerophon on Aug 2, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried re OOC schedule (as it doesn't matter for winning the conference)

But I think the Thursday night games are brutal. Playing in Eugene on a Thursday looks like our toughest game all season, imho; and playing in Seattle on a Thursday night will be another really tough game. They are the 2 losses on my most optimistic 7-2 scenario – I don’t think playing at Cal on a Saturday will be so tough.

The conference schedule either helps us or kills us – if we are good, we have a chance against those good teams at home as you note, and should have enough to beat bad teams on the road; if we are below average, we will lose home games against good teams and to bad teams on the road.

Those are my hunches, anyway… :-)

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

OOC

Obviously it doesn’t count toward winning the Pac-10 title, but I think it matters for two reasons:

(1) As relating to the fans’ perception, I think a lot of folks are not optimistic about this season and our chances in the Pac-10 because, psychologically, they hear about the tough OOC schedule and they figure the season isn’t going to be better than 4-8.

(2) As relating to the team itself, if the team gets roughed up in what is an admittedly tough OOC schedule, that could have a negative impact on the team, both psychologically and physically (i.e. injuries).

by Bellerophon on Aug 2, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

definitely true statements

I totally agree with you re: 2 – I think there is potential for the OOC schedule to leave us battered and bruised mentally and physically. And re:1, I agree that some fans may think like that, I was just saying I don’t think like that.

The Texas game is a double-edged sword – obviously a tough game, but we won’t have any expectations going in, if we spring an upset it would be huge, and even just a strong performance could be morale boosting going into the conference schedule. I’m more bothered by losable games at KSU and home to Houston – those are games where we’ll have to be on our game, if we lose it is bad, and we don’t get all that much from winning. Not to mention the fact that we get Stanford really early…

by britishbruin on Aug 3, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I worry that the pot clouds

at Cal are going to be thick enough to disorient our guys and give Cal an advantage.

by captainqtp on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

what conference record will the winner have this year?

do we think the parity means that someone will win with a 7-2 or even 6-3 record? Or will one team emerge to rule them all?

For whoever picked us first – I think we have at best 7 winnable conference games if everything goes spectacularly well, counting Thursday night games in the Pacific Northwest as absurdly challenging. To win the conference we would need a tiebreaker, which would be tough if Oregon was one of our losses and likely one of the other front runners. But if there really is carnage, 7-2 could put us on top.

On the other hand, you can probably chalk up WSU at home as a win, but no other conference loss would shock me, given we have to play some of the beatable teams on the road (ASU, Cal) and play some tough opponents (OSU, Stanford, Arizona) at home. Crazy.

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd be surprised

if anyone gets through with 8 conference wins.

In the immortal words of the pin I got while an undergrad: Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I think 7-2 is enough to win the title, certianly a share of it.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

'Cats Look To Be Favorites

The one big test they will have early on is when my alma mater, Iowa, makes a visit to Tucson. That should be a good one.

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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Cal might be getting under-rated

Was surprised to see them below us. This is how I voted:

   1. Arizona
   2. California
   3. Oregon
   4. UCLA
   5. Washington
   6. Stanford
   7. Southern Cal
   8. Oregon State
   9. Arizona State
  10. Washington State

I probably should have put Cal at top. I just have this feeling this is their year with a senior QB. Shane Vareen is really under-rated IMO. He has been under Best’s shadow for a while but he might be as good as anyone else.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Why Oregon State in 8th?

On Cal, good point and it is similar to the Oregon State argument, a team that has been good has a chance to take it in a year when there is no obvious dominant team.

But why pick Oregon State 8th? I know they lost their QB but still 8th.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State

They just lost their senior QB, who was really good. He was a great leader for them last year. Rogers brothers are very good. However, imo they are not enough. You need a very good QB in this conference to be good. Without an experience one, I think OSU is going to drop.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State's projection

N, you are right, it all depends on OSU’s QB. If Ryan Katz (I think he will be their starter, from what I’ve read) plays well, then OSU with the Rodgers brothers could go places. Even though not much is known about OSU’s QB, was much known about Canfield and Moevao before they started games for the Beavers? And they ended up doing pretty well. Just a thought.

I think OSU could finish first because of the Rodgers brothers and Mike Riley is a great coach, but if their QB doesn’t step it up, they could end up anywhere from 5th-7th place.

by bruinfan94 on Aug 2, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are right about Riley

And it is more than possible I am under-rating him. If Ryan Katz turns out to be a really good first year QB, they definitely have the potential to go places.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Oregon State's placement

but I think that their success is going to hinge more on their linebacker play, than Ryan Katz’s. They took some pretty big hits at LB this offseason, not to mention losing Keaton Kristic to the NFL. The offense probably won’t put up as many points without Canfield, but I think their defense will be giving up a lot more.

We're havin' too much fun today. We ain't thinkin' 'bout tomorrow.

by Steve Bruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal

I would say you’re placing too much value on (college) years of experience in QBs. To look at senior QBs, just look at Nate Longshore. Tedford loves his golden boys, much too his detriment. Riley has been inconsistent, outside of his first year. He lacks quality receivers, unless one of the freshmen really steps up.

While Shane Vareen may be underrated by some – and he is a quality back – he also disappeared at times, last year. We’ll see if one of their backs steps up as a star.

by SakeBomb on Aug 3, 2010 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, but USC 8th? Arizona 1st? Oregon 4th? UCLA 5th? Were you guys dropping acid before voting?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

TQA8

Looks like you have been banned from at least two other sites. Your history is replete with deleted comments after another (for incessant trolling). If you want to engage in respectful discussion, be our guest. However, if you post another comment without any substance attacking our moderators, you will be gone. Thanks.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok then.

Substantiate having USC 8th. Substantiate having Arizona 1st. Substantiate placing Oregon St. above Oregon. Tell me why UCLA will be better than Washington and USC.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Provide your reasons why BN is wrong

An early August poll is a crap-shoot anyway. Anyone can attack.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with a silly power poll. All of this is meant to be our views during snap shot of time. If people disagree that is fine and can offer his or her reasons for it. What is not cool is people to come here and just hurling insults. TQA8 that is meant for you. You take one more cheap shot and you will be gone. Your last comment was deleted. If you don’t want to take this poll seriously and want to launch juvenile attacks, then don’t bother posting. We will not give you another warning. Thanks.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

My reasons why I rated SC so low

I think SC has two big problems.

1. Lane Kiffin. I am not convinced he is a a big time coach. He has not succeeded anywhere he has been. In any year where talent is roughly equal coaching will make a difference and I think he may be lacking in that category. Also, he has an excuse to lose with sanctions, which hurt moral, which make a head coach more important, etc.
2. Matt Barkley. I am not sure he is a PAC 10 level QB.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Barkley might not even make it to second half of the season

He got dinged up last year and their OL is fragile this year. I really hope we can get him at the Rose Bowl but won’t be surprised if we are facing Mustain by then.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Outsiders like TQA8

still rank $c on name recognition alone. We’re talking about a 5-4 conference team last year. And how much better did they get in comparison to the other nine teams in the conference? This team, by no stretch of the imagination, could be a bottom three team this year. Especially with the points noted above.

"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel

by SonsOfWestwood on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point on name recognition

and 5-4 last year. Is anyone arguing they are better this year? In 2009, 4-5 as seventh place.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

SC would scare me with a real coach

They fell apart at the end of last season even with Cheatie Petey their to motivate them. Now with Kiffin there, and little depth, I can’t wait for November to roll around. Even if they can hold on at the start of the season, once a few injuries come, and SUC stops payment on their rent checks, the players will quit on them again.

We're havin' too much fun today. We ain't thinkin' 'bout tomorrow.

by Steve Bruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh

I could certainly see a scenario that works out the way this poll shows, though I think it improbable. Arizona will compete for first, but having them as the favorite? OSU gets four first place votes, with an unproven QB, in a system that is absolutely dependent on QB success? I know the Rodgers brothers are good, and I think it is likely that the Beavs will be in the top 3 or 4 (maybe even winning it all) but four first place votes! Wow. USC at number 8 with all the talent they have? Yes, Kiffin and company have a lot to prove, but I would have a very difficult time putting them out of the top 5.

With that said, I think generally speaking the top 3 will be UO, USC, OSU, middle tier will be UCLA, UW, FURD, UA, Cal the cellar will have ASU, WSU. Given the parity in the top 7-8 I can certainly see many scenarios that COULD play out. I think UA, Cal or Furd could move into the top 3, and any of my top 3 could go into the middle tier.

I think you are reading too much into LMJ’s 1 game suspension (New Mexico), UO has a LOT of depth at RB, Kenjon Barner had 250+ all purpose yards in the Rose Bowl, and they return every single line man in the two deep! That said, we could slip to number 4 (especially playing at USC, Cal, OSU, and Tennessee) but I think it is unlikely.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Aug 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

how many first place votes are there?

only 6 listed above, but there are significantly more front pagers than that…?

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes $c

a top three team in your opinion?

"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel

by SonsOfWestwood on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tons of talent

Barkley has a year under his belt, Bradford, Havili, Johnson are a great supporting cast on O, their two deep on O-line has an absolutely absurd amount of top 20 guys out of HS. Like I said above however, I could see them doing a face plant this year too, perhaps even dropping to (gasp) number 8, especially with 7 road games, and a new(ish) coaching staff.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Aug 2, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair argument

My homer bug definitely comes out at times like this, but I just don’t see enough improvement this offseason that would justify a 5-4 team last year improving, taking into account the development of the rest of the conference.

"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel

by SonsOfWestwood on Aug 2, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate USC too

I would love to see them go 0-12, but that is just a dream. Dreams can come true though, UW went 0-12 a couple years ago. Husky fans are way more humble than they were 10 years ago, though no less delusional.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Aug 2, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You misunderestimate

the Lane Kiffin factor…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 2, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Lame lost to CRN’s team in one of the toughest venues in college football with a team full of better talent. U$C is going to be an epic fail. It will be hilarious.

by Bellerophon on Aug 2, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

BB on Front Pagers

Yes, there are more not everyone got their votes in on time. Also, it should be noted there was a wide variance on lists. Look OS won first place on the most lists but was only 7 on Nestor’s list. The only true agreement came at the bottom of the list on ASU and especially WSU.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Note we will try to do another one of these right before the first game after we have gotten the camp reports in. Hopefully all teams will come out of it healthy but would be good to get some reports on how guys are looking etc.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just six

Not every frontpager voted and a few got their votes in just after I posted this so they didn’t get counted. We decided to do a pre-camp version a little bit last minute so not every got their votes in.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Valid points Quack

TQA8 … please take note. This is how you offer disagreement with a different perspective.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I def want to rank Oregon higher

What I am worried about OR is their QB play. Again, in a conference like ours, I am a huge believer in having QBs with experience. That is why I think Cal might be getting under-rated by the conference (and even in our aggregate numbers above).

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Costa has a lot to prove

The Ducks would only have scored one touchdown against us last year if it weren’t for a kick return and interception return when he was quarterbacking. For a team that regularly put up 40+ points, that’s a huge drop off. I think OU has the best shot at winning the conference, but it’s hard to put them as the clear cut favorite.

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by Steve Bruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he does

When we played UCLA last year it was a very conservative game plan, Masoli was injured and they weren’t sure if he would be back the next week. Behind Costa in the depth chart there was Darryl Hawkins (true frosh), and Darron Thomas (who was red shirting). The last thing we wanted was to get him injured. Plus there was a huge amount of respect for your defense. If Costa gets the nod, fully expect CK to give him the green light to run the offense as a fully operational system. Remember he was set to succeed Dennis Dixon in ‘08, he has been in the system for 5 years, and has been a leader for the last 3. That said, I totally agree that QB is going to be a big question mark, but CK has shown that he can tailor the offense to a particular QB’s strengths.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Costa succeed

Just so Oregon fans don’t whine about how Kelly’s been meteing out discipline on the team. It’s unfortunate what transpired with Masoli, but he’s Giggity’s problem now. LMJ’s a good back – but the question mark this year is definitely at the QB spot at Oregon. I have to admit I’m also not as familiar with the receiving corps at Oregon as well – so that could possibly be an issue as well.

I have absolutely no idea how the Pac-10 is going to pan out this year. One thing that I do tend to think is that I believe people are ranking Stanford a little higher than they should be, but other than that, your guess is as good as mine. I could see a team like USC finish 9-3. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish 5-7.

I think 8-4 (6-3) could very well win the conference. I think 9-3 (7-2) is probably more likely, but I don’t see anyone going through the conference schedule at 8-1. There isn’t a single team that you can look at on the schedule save Wazzu and go “Yeah, we’ll definitely win/lose that game.”

We’ll see how it goes.

by CAJason80 on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really couldn't agree more

I think losing Gerhart is a huge loss to Stanford, he is one of those special players that can change the whole outcome of a game (or a season) for a team. And $uc is really a big question mark, teams tend to lose something when they are not playing for anything, but as much as I hate to admit it I think they are going to finish in the top three still.

by WoodenMania on Aug 2, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stanford

Stanford has the best QB in the league, and possibly in the nation, going for them. Plus, he has another year of experience under his belt. Given Harbaugh is a very good coach and recruiter, his teams are very physical, their surprising last season, and two straight seasons of upsetting USC, it’s not a huge surprise that their stock has risen substantially.

by SakeBomb on Aug 3, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luck might be the best QB in the nation?

That’s a huge stretch. He had solid numbers last year (not fantastic), but he wasn’t counted on to win games. Without Gerhart, it’s going to be a lot more difficult for him.

It’s not hard to see why their stock has risen, though they haven’t beaten USC two years in a row. That doesn’t mean it’s completely deserved.

by SuperBruinMan on Aug 3, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luck

Of course it will be more difficult for him without Gerhart. This doesn’t mean he’s any less of a QB – it just might show him in more situations under pressure.

I said “possibly”, but let’s take this further….which QBs would you pick over him? You can’t just look at stats, as this is a team game. Given the same players around the QB, who would you select as your QB?

And you’re right about the 2nd part…I merged the 09 and 07 seasons together in my mind…the love of seeing SC lose.

by SakeBomb on Aug 4, 2010 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree re SC unlikely to finish quite so low

I would pencil them in for a gimme at WSU, and highly like to win at home vs ASU. They also have Cal at home and UW at home that I would expect them to be favored. Probably underdogs @Stanford, @UofA, @OSU. Not sure about home vs the Ducks. Not going to make any jinxing predictions about their game against us. But in any case, I would expect them to be in the 4-5 win area, which would be middle of the pack. I don’t seem them as likely to be top 3 in conference though; I doubt they can make it to 7 conf wins with the schedule.

by britishbruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kiffin will sink $C

That guy is a disaster – he makes U$C’s AD compliance dept look competent by comparison. How many former employers could he use as a reference? That sums him up.

I also think Pete the Cheat was greatly over-rated… his big seasons came when he had a ridiculous talent advantage in both his staff and players – even Dorrell could pull a Championship (conf, at least) if he was dealt that hand. But success breeds success and people believed in Carroll and good players went to $C … but I didn’t see Carroll making these guys better by his coaching.

I see Kiffin making things worse – if he’s half as screwed up with his team as he is with the rest of the world, this guy has to be a morale crusher. I’ll be surprised if $C doesn’t slip a couple of notches this season and next. I don’t see Kiffin being able to bring the talent that Carroll did.

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 2, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why I put OSU first

As you wrote:


I think it is likely that the Beavs will be in the top 3 or 4

I looked at that short list and thought Riley the best coach of that group, a decent schedule (they play Oregon at home), and the motivation of coming up just short last year.

OR is the legit favorite but I am not sure where they are without the QB and the more it becomes Kelly’s team. I gave my SUC logic below and above. But again I agree with you generally on the below (if not the exact details) when you wrote:

Given the parity in the top 7-8 I can certainly see many scenarios that COULD play out. I think UA, Cal or Furd could move into the top 3, and any of my top 3 could go into the middle tier.

This is a year where the team that misses the injury bug and gets hot could win it.

by DCBruins on Aug 2, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will never count OSU out

Riley is one of the best coaches in the nation, and the Rodgers bros. are great, I think they are at least top half material. I was just surprised to see so many first place votes, given that Katz is a huge question mark for them is all.

This is a year where the team that misses the injury bug and gets hot could win it.

I absolutely agree with this sentiment, a 9 game conference schedule, and so much parity, this is another reason I have UO, and USC in my top 3, tons of depth on both sides of the ball. I think UW (urgh) could have a good or even great season if they stay healthy, they have talent, but not much depth.

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by QuackinAK on Aug 2, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trojans don't really have a lot of depth

Especially on OL and LB position. They are hurting at both spots. That is why they were so desperate to hang on to Seantrel and Staley. Their secondary is not all that either. They have a solid DL w depth. I will give them that.

Also, last year Mr. Range Rover bailed them out a lot (just take a look at that last drive against the Buckeyes). Matt Barkley is a decent QB but he is also fragile. If he goes down, they are going to look to someone who was beaten out Aaron Corps.

Plus, they have Hello Kiffin. So color us extremely unimpressed.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the same depth at USC as you do

They’ve lost some of that depth with juniors transferring in and out. I really don’t see them getting into the top half because they struggle down the stretch when their OL gets banged up, as every OL does, and they don’t have the guys to plug in.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Questions around every team.

You can make a case for every team to win the conference, except for WSU, and probably ASU, but there is a major IF in each scenario. I don’t remember going into a season in any sport at any level where this was this much uncertainty. Should be a fun season!

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by Steve Bruin on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't disagree given how even the conference is

I mean, we can all go on and on… but let’s be honest, no one really knows. WSU will probably be in last, but any other of the other 9 teams could finish first or finish 9th. It really is wide open, and every team has questions.

Can’t say Arizona would be my first choice though. In all the games I saw them last season, they never really impressed me; teams seemed to figure them out by the end of the year (their PPG dropped from 34 in the first six BCS-level games to 20 in their last five), and they got flat-out demolished by Nebraska in their bowl game.

My picks for the top would probably be Oregon State and Oregon (losing Masoli hurts, but their other QBs can get it done) with Stanford, USC, Arizona making up the next tier.

by Magnusblitz on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

FWIW, here's my rankings.

1. Oregon
2. Oregon State
3. Stanford
4. USC
5. Arizona
6. Washington
7. Cal
8. UCLA
9. Arizona State
10. Washington State

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

INWM

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 2, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess

I’d say that’s “It’s Not Worth Much”.

by Tydides on Aug 2, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh. Well I’d agree. No preseason polls are.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a personal attack, right? Warn him, Nestor.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 2, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You sure you want to go to the judges on this one?

Because if I warn him for that, I ban you for what you said earlier. Proportionality and all of that.

by Tydides on Aug 2, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, look!

The Duck fan thinks the teams from Oregon are the two best teams in the conference.

Color me shocked.

Stanford’s third. Hehe. I’m bookmarking this for later in the year so I can come back and laugh when Stanford’s middling around in 6th place or so in the conference.

by CAJason80 on Aug 3, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I’m not as sold on Stanford as TQA8 and the collective wisdom of the BN editors.

by britishbruin on Aug 3, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’d think I wouldn’t want our huge rival to do well, right? I’d like to see the Fuskies and Beavers both go 0-12, but it’s not happening. I think Ryan Katz is the real deal, and the Rodgers Bros. are always dangerous. They have a solid defense, and Riley might be the best coach in the Pac-10. What’s not to like?

That would be like me saying (if you had UCLA 1 and 2), “Oh look, what a shocker. The UCLA fan has the two LA-Area teams as the top two teams in the conference.”

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 3, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for your rankings

I don’t find this finishing scenario any less plausible than the PowerPoll. Minus some possible (to outside observers) anti-$C, pro-UCLA bias from a group of UCLA diehards, and swapping a team with a QB question (Oregon) for a team with defensive questions (Arizona) and it looks basically the same. I think Oregon will be just fine; I hope $C is as bad as the PowerPoll but I am not going to expect it. I do expect us to be better than your 8th place ranking, but with a 4-5 or 5-4 record in the middle of the pack.

by britishbruin on Aug 3, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

No problem.

I could see UCLA finishing anywhere from 5th-9th. It’s a wide open conference, but I don’t think Prince is the real deal. You will have a solid defense, but I also think scoring points will be a problem. Who knows, though. I could be completely wrong. Time will tell.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 3, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey Ryan

is there any chance of getting a PowerPoll of Pac-10 blogs we like? e.g. someone from BN, someone from AtQ, etc all vote and we see what the combined wisdom of the conference blogs come up with? I’d be interested to see what happens when you even out the perspective a bit – I’d be interested to see if other Pac-10 blogs are anticipating a big $C crash as well, for example. It seems like you’ve chatted with some of those guys in Q&As, podcasts etc…

by britishbruin on Aug 3, 2010 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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