ESPN: Cheating Didn't Give Trogans A "Competitive Advantage"
We have basically stopped paying close attention to Ted Miller's stale and boilerplate analysis on his ESPN "Pac-10 blog." It is crystal clear by now that he is basically a corporate robot who is blogging just to shill for the conference and hype up the games that are scheduled to be broadcast on the Disney run ABC/ESPN.
Yet even for a corporate robot once in a while you stumble into lines that are beyond eye opening. Kind of like lines like this one, which Miller posted in reaction to news about Southern Cal getting stripped of its 2004 national championship by the Football Writers Association of America (emphasis added):
USC fans should take solace in this: After all the symbolic slings and arrows are thrown, everyone knows that USC walked away from the 2004 season as the consensus national champion, at least in terms of the football part of football. Nothing it did wrong -- by any measure -- gave it a competitive advantage.
ROFL. Of course if Miller had any shred of intellectual honesty he would have noted that if the Trogans were a law abiding program, they would have kept Bush off the field when it was obvious to everyone else around LA football scene that he was on the take. In fact Miller writes this in the same post:
[W]hatever you feel about the severity of NCAA penalties, the Trojans used an ineligible player -- Reggie Bush -- that season.
Uh yes. The Trojans cheated by using "an ineligible player" yet they didn't gain any kind of "competitive advantage" from it. And people wonder why so many ESPN analysts are reviled, mocked and lampooned around the country. Fight on Teddy.
GO BRUINS.
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The absurdity of this is patent.
So UCLA should just let Baca and Hasiak play because they won’t gain any competitive advantage in using them. UCLA should not have shut down DeShaun Foster because it would have have gained any competitive advantage in using him.
The message is clear: winning is everything and no school should follow any NCAA rules that, when broken, that do not give the school a competitive advantage (is guess the only sacrosanct rule under this analysis would be PEDs).
I am reminded of the (not-so-politically-correct) South Park episode when Cartman teaches school kids how to win at all costs by cheating and not getting punished by using Bill Bellichek as an example of (“Repeat after me, class, ‘I misinterpreted the rules.’”)
Like you, N, I’ve long abandoned everything that is ESPN except when a team I like is actually playing. I watched Gameday once last season and felt like taking a shower afterwards. I think I pointed it out in a post here and was chastised for watching.
Everything else is total hype that is solely calculated to drive up viewership of events that are on ESPN.
Sad, considering how awesome ESPN was in the early 90s.
Great point re. Foster
As I have said I don’t watch Gameday. In fact I don’t really watch any of tWWL’s shows any more (including Sportscenter). All those shows are just used to boost their immediate matchups and conferences they are contractually tied in with. It’s all a charade.
I find it hilarious when . . .
When people claim a $300,000 dollar house didn’t help Reggie Bush play any better. Or how PEDs didn’t help Bonds, Sosa, Maguire hit a fast moving pill. Or, any of the near sanctioned forms of cheating these days. If they didn’t help, people would not do it.
In regards to Reggie’s free house, car, etc: Hard to argue that a house for the parents can actually improve game play. But that’s not the point. For all the stuff that came out, Dwayne Jarrett’s free apartment, Bush, OJ’s envelope of cash; it’s become pretty obvious how SC does business. For years they and BSPN have been happy telling us how many guys would rather go sit on their bench than start ‘for any other team in the country.’ And, do they really believe these guys would do that without some sort of financial enticement?
PS: Orlando
Sad, considering how awesome ESPN was in the early 90s.
It was Disney’s takeover that changed it all. They haven’t been the same since.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Miller is missing the point
The best team in football was the New England Patriots for that year. Since rules shouldn’t apply as long as you win and you can take solace in that, Pat’s fans can take solace in the fact that they were the best football team in the world, including college.
Hmm, I should think again… I think one of those BS Madden all century teams is probably the best of all time.
Reminds me of the SNL skit the All Drug Olympics
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
Did Miller conveniently forget about McKnight
McKnight cited a conversation he had with Cheatey and Bush as his deciding factor in choosing SC. That call was against NCAA rules. So their rule breaking most certainly did give them a competitive advantage in assuring the nation’s top running back.
Exactly!
The biggest piece that everyone in the media seems to be missing is, these are impressionable 15-17 year old kids who are being recruited by these big colleges. WHen these kids go on their recruiting visits and get to ride in illegal limos, see that the star running back has a tricked out car that he “earned” from playing at $C, seeing the off campus apartments that are handed out, its hard not to be persuaded by all of that (unless you are BP). That is an advantage! Didn’t they all wonder why $C was 8 deep with blue chippers at the tailback position? Its easy to wait when your being well taken care of while you wait.
formerly Westwood78
by PhoenixBruin on Aug 27, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I've heard this argument from many other reputable sports people.
Taking the money didn’t make reggie a better runner, seems to be the argument. Well, having spoken with parents of athletes, the economic strain on many of them is very difficult. Trying to figure out how to pay the bills (when they might be at the lower end of the economic ladder), trying to find a way to watch their sons play when they are away. I do think this puts a strain on the athletes. I think relieving that strain does give a player an advantage just by the fact that the folks are being taken care of. I remember watching the Cal game and even the announcer was commenting on how he couldn’t figure out how reggie’s parents were able to go to all the away games and stay in the best hotels, considering their jobs. Sitting in practices, I heard several parents discussing whether or not they could afford to get to the K State game or the Texas game and one even trying to figure out how he could get down from the north to watch home games. I’m sorry, but having no financial worries for you and your loved ones does give one an advantage in anything they are trying to accomplish. The students I teach are constantly interrupted in their ability to focus on their studies by a parent losing a job, a parent getting ill, a family member elsewhere needing help, needing to take care of a younger sibling. Wouldn’t it be nice if someone would give them a house and a car and ??? so that they wouldn’t have to stop what they should be doing to take care of these problems. I wish they could not have the same “competitive advantage” that reggie had.
Go Bruins!
That's not the competitive advantage
The competitive advantage is: Would Reggie have gone to U$C if they hadn’t arranged/chosen to overlook the payments he was getting? Therein lies the rub. It’s not about how good of a player Reggie was, but since he was good, would he have gone to another school if U$C hadn’t paid him?
I can’t stand ESPN anymore, except I kind of like the MNF guys, and the special programs/documentaries. Anything “news-related” is a complete joke bordering on propaganda.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
MNF
I think it’s Gruden. He has been a really pleasant surprise. He is self-effacing but he really breaks down the games, teams and the ‘culture’ of it all. I learn a lot about the game listening to him.
You won't be surprised when I say I have never heard him as an announcer
but I did have him as a coach his last couple of years in Tampa. The recurrent nightmare that made me wake up in a cold sweat was that he would decide to take his West Coast Offense to UCLA and replace CTS, who would then promptly be hired by the Bucs.
Bottom line – he really showed me very little as the head honcho of the Bucs.
That said, I always kind of liked the guy after he got out of silver and black, but he’s not at the top of my list of great coaches. I’m probably in the minority on this, but that’s the geezer’s lot in life.
He lead Tampa to
a super bowl and 3 playoffs, and his last 2 seasons with the Raiders, he led them to the tops in their division. He’s great but no Al Davis though ; )
RESCUING DANCE MUSIC FROM THE BLAHS
We can agree that he's surely no Al Davis (and I'm not calling him Shirley)
I think “stale” is the word to describe Chucky’s last couple of years here. Of course, it may well be that they didn’t have quite the talent that he was used to having (as their record continues to demonstrate.)
Interesting aside
Talked to a guy who knows Hershel Dennis (u$c* running back from a few years ago). He said that things were even wackier than they appear over there, and apparently he is writing a tell-all book.
I guess they treated Dennis like dirt during his times when injured, but then as soon as he was healthy they started giving him all kinds of free stuff again. Everybody knew about bu$h, how could you not when he rolled up in new cars (plural) all the time. Also, players planned on failing courses in the spring and making it up in the summer. So much for student athletes. Ballroom dancing was the kind of course you planed on taking in order to get eligible again. He also said cheat carroll was the biggest jerk and extremely hard to work with. We already knew, but the guy you see on TV is not the guy he was.
I am interested to see what else comes out in the book!
I won't get my hopes up.
Dennis is still a Trogan. I can easily imagine his writing of a book nearing completion, and letting word get out. At which point Slimey College, it’s trustees, and alumni step in and buy him out from ever publishing it.
But I would love to be proven wrong
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
"Easily imagine"?
Your imagination must be great Mexi, because I can’t imagine a Trogan football player reading a book, let alone writing one ;)
by McNown to Farmer on Aug 28, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait to read that book.
Probably nothing new about our favorite guy Petey. He has always seemed FAKE to me. I can’t stand how everybody is always putting UCLA down whenever they can. Marcia Smith (OC Register) has UCLA in 10th position this year. We are only ahead of Washington State. She also adds that WSU is the worst football team in the country.
by Forever a Bruin on Aug 27, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
Marcia Smith
is the worst excuse for a living organism on the planet. I know amoebas that are smarter than she is. Waste of print space (and oxygen).
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
everyone starts out
with a blank slate…she took a shit on hers.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Pardon my french
she brings out the worst in me
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Maybe
The only place I think he might be coming from is that Reggie didn’t see any playing time that year. If not this guy really is a complete tool.

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