UCLA Shows Flashes for the Future, but Folds in the End
In honor of all those Dos Eqis commercials, it was an interesting game. For the details go here. But the box score does not really tell the story. Yes, we lost but we saw some flashes of greatness from Akeem Ayers, the Pistol, and, of course, the kicking game was perfect. But we looked like a team with some timing issues with the QB and WRs and playing its first game of the year. A couple of crucial penalties (12 men on the field wiping out a great 4th down goal line stand for KSU's first touchdown) also killed us.
Look at the positives. Ayers was dominant at times. The biggest worry before the game, the O-line, looked good . We showed we could power run which has been missing the last couple years. Josh Smith showed some speed on a couple players. Kevin Prince showed leadership skills in a game he was off. The defense looked good through most of the first half when we were not in our base package.
Of course, there are reasons why we lost. More after the jump.
We looked worn out at the end on D. And Prince and the WRs did not mesh. There were drops and some bad passes. But there is good reason to listen to Wooden's advice: Don't get too high after wins or too low after losses. Prince and the WRs will be better next week after a full week of practice. The Defense did look good at times. No moral victories here but no need to panic either.
Fire away Bruins.
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Most frustrating for me is
hearing all camp about all the great catches receivers were making. Then in the game they couldn’t catch a cold.
UCLA '08
by BruinTrouble on Sep 4, 2010 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They were not catching KP passes. They were catching from Brehaut.
I think that, as was said in all the videos and interviews this week, KP is not sharp in his passing game and I think his timing is not in sync with the receivers. You’ve also heard all along that Presley drops a lot of balls. He dropped the first two, each would have gotten a first down, both were easy, and I think those two passes caught would have really changed the momentum of the game. I couldn’t believe he was in, given his drops in practice, but Barr came in quickly and got some experience.
Go Bruins!
CRN
Should have yanked him after the first half! how many times will we be making excuses for this kid? HIT THE OPEN MAN!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Receivers couldn't catch anything but...
…I have to say that Prince’s game has been awful. AWFUL. Bad throws, bad decisions, tentative at times.
+1
Did Brehaut forget his helmet in Westwood?
Well, that was embarrassing
The passing game just looked lost out there today, and our run defense did not look good. We did not get good penetration on the d-line on running plays. About the only good defensive formation was on passing downs out of the joker formation.
Prince looked anemic. He was throwing all over the place – I guess some of that was rust, but this is starting to become a pattern with him. He needs to step it up.
I’m not going to be a happy camper this year if this is what I have to watch from UCLA games – again. This is getting beyond the point of frustrating.
On the positive side...
our OL finally looks legit this year. They are just massive – and got good push all game long and gave Prince plenty of time.
But it’s time we start executing.
Meh...K-State's front 7 didnt look like anything special.
verdict is still out on our o-line
by deejayelleseven on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'm trying to look for positives here
….knowing full well that K-State’s d-line is undersized.
Did like what I saw out of Malcolm Jones in the limited action he saw. And Josh Smith looks like a real threat out of the pistol. Some pieces, but I’m sick of just having some pieces with UCLA teams and not seeing those pieces come together. Ah well.
+1
It is heart breaking to see all that talent not click on offense
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
AGREED!
Prince might have all the tools but he just isn’t a prime time player. Give brehaut the ball already! I’m so tired of having to listen to excuses after losing a game that was there for the taking! A halfway decent day by our QB and the bruins win the game no question!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
+1
For those of us from afar, it seems as if the team being touted in camp was playing somewhere else.
Some of the games this season are going to be really chilling - Texas, Oregon, Oregon St.
I actually have confidence for the Houston game…that is a pure passing only team and our DBs are capable.
Actually
UCLA tends to get up for the big games. I think they will give Texas a good game, whether they can win it or not will depend upon consistency, which they have little of at the moment. But now we should all set our sights on Stanford. This is our Pac-10 opener next week at the Rose Bowl and CRN & Co. had better get this team prepared right now for that game. K State is history, there is nothing we can do about it now. We can all replay all the lousy plays and inconsistence performances, but it won’t do much good for next week. Good or bad, I’m there next weekend to support my team against against Stanford.
We can all replay all the lousy plays and inconsistence performances, but it won’t do much good for next week.
Well, if we do it, it won’t do much good. But the players and coaches probably should.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 4, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This was a big game and yet
Our D started slow in the 1st quarter and then went home early in the 4th qtr
Our WRs’ only showed up for one drive.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Wooden quote
This loss doesn’t sit well – especially after we had a chance to tie- but Stanford is a bigger game next week.
The Whole Game
Prince looked sheepish when going to long throws. If anything after that quick long drive he gained confidence from that and hopefully will carry that momentum into future games. Hopefully he’ll be more confident throwing the longer balls.
The receivers were ridiculous
So many dropped passes. Wide open, good throw, and dropped passes. That was so embarrassing. I really thought we were going to beat Kansas State considering we pretty much beat the same team with a weaker quarterback the year before with Kevin Craft.
I really wanted to see Brehaut in the game as well. I think it was clear that Prince and the receivers weren’t clicking. Should’ve put Brehaut in there…
Prince is the not the QB for the pistol
When we ran all of the option plays, he held the ball out for what seemed like an eternity before making a decision. When he kept it himself, he was slow and didn’t get any yards. If we want the Pistol to work, we need a real dual threat QB (let’s get some good news on Monday eh?).
Don't really think you can complain about Prince in the pistol formation
our only effective offense was run from the pistol today. He actually probably made his best decisions in the exchanges within the pistol.
Pretty much everything else was a disaster, though.
Disagree a bit
I think Prince did fine running the ball. The TD was a nice fake which is a skill to fake so well.
That said, I am not sure he should have started. He and the WRs looked at times like they did not know each other. They need time to practice together.
Prince
has great open field speed, but no way is he quick enough to run an option offense. The D does not need to key on him. He is not a running threat.
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
"The D does not need to key on him"
He did score our only rushing touchdown today from 14 yards out. It’s not exactly like he’s running around out there with concrete blocks around his legs.
He also had a good average
per rush, if you take out sacks which the NCAA counts against the QB as a rush. No, he is good runner. No Dixon at Oregon but still good.
Let's take a breath here
Prince didn’t practice for a month! Guys there’s plenty of football left. I’m frustrated too and have some questions, such as why start prince when he hasn’t practiced in a month and it showed (dropped passes or not, there’s something to be said about chemistry). Why not start brehaut who had a great month and slowly bring back prince? That’s what I do not understand.
by hongerelli on Sep 4, 2010 4:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
that's why I'm disappointed
with CRN! Brehaut should have started!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Most where correctable mistakes.
They drops and bad throws for now I will put on the lack of timing KP had. He still needs to mature more and make the right decisions.
I’d like to see more Malcolm Jones instead of Coleman and Franklin looked good.
More short passes to TEs, Harkey was the only time a TE was targeted IIRC.
Tackling- WRAP THE SOB UP and DONT DIVE AT HIS FEET!!! Goes out to Rahim, Sheldon, and most of our safeties and corners except Dye.
Got To Get Over This Loss And Ready For Stanford Next Week
After the way that second half went for our run D, I’m VERY thankful that Toby Gerhart is gone.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 4, 2010 4:24 PM PDT reply actions
Too much gloom and doom
We all knew our OOC was tough. This year is all about Pac-10 play, so I’m waiting for next week.
+1
There’s something to be said for scheduling relative patsies early on … you can usually overcome shaky performances like today’s.
True... but a man's gotta vent a little
The problem wasn’t that we lost. The problem was that we looked so unprepared.
Our QB & WR’s were out of sync and unless they do something about it, we’re looking at another season where Kai carries the day every week. [Granted it’s harder when the crowd noise is that loud]
Our D played well for 1.5 qtrs (maybe 2 qtrs if I’m generous) but then forgot how to tackle… maybe
they got so over-confident that they were all just trying to strip the ball and no one wrapped up the ball carrier.
Also, note that K-State wasn’t our toughest opponent by a long shot.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
last year against K-state...
173 yds rushing…this year 193. Not sure why everyone is saying that we turned the corner on offense? We need a few more games to see if we have improved but given our tough opening schedule this could look pretty damn similar to last year.
Really?
You don’t think 193 yards playing from behind on the road is less impressive than 173 at home with the lead? That sounds really narrow minded to just say ’what’s the difference between 173 and 194?’.
maybe so but
that was 173 yds with kevin craft last year at QB. every team knew we were going to run and we still got 173. This yr we were supposed to be more of a mystery and we got only 20 more yds. Not to mention our passing game turned out to be horrible.
My thoughts (as a KSU fan)
I don’t know how many teams in the Pac-10 can power-run like KSU can. The middle three on the O-line may be the best in the Big XII, Wilson is one of the best FBs in the country (he’s a sophomore, but Ayers did smoke him a couple of times) and DT is a juggernaut in the 4th quarter.
The UCLA D was worn out, but your WRs were awful so the UCLA D couldn’t get a break.
Also, I would be happy to trade you guys Coffman for Prince right now. Sure, he had a crappy game but how many of his passes were because your WRs had hands of stone?
Keep in mind too this is not the same KSU team you guys saw last year. UCLA is probably better (at least once Prince and the WRs practice with a few millions passes), but KSU is better too. DT knows what he’s doing, the WRs are actual threats (even if the QB didn’t make them look good), the O-line was solid (outside of the RT getting slapped by Ayers) and the KSU D managed to do just enough to… well… make the game interesting.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
by Sean T on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks guys
Have a good season. Beat UT and UCLA for me, will you? Your horrible non-con schedule is going to make even a bowl game a bitch, but I will be cheering for your guys way out west.
I hope Prince and the WRs get this figured out.
Finally, thank God I don’t have to see Ayers again this season. I think that poor RT is going to have nightmares about him.
Oh yes, and please smack the crap out of Colorado for me every chance you get.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
And we'll certainly be rooting for you guys, as well ...
Classy school, classy coach, and classy program.
Agree mostly with Sean T:
KSU played well and adjusted well to counter UCLA on O & D (and KSU’s secondary made
UCLA’s WR’s look worse – not that they needed it). You guys deserved that ‘W’!
However, UCLA’s D started the second half playing slow without intensity and not tackling well.
They picked up a bit in the 3rd quarter but never had the intensity they showed in the 2nd qtr.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
what the heck kind of
schemes does chuck think he is drawing up?! He is not fooling anyone. I did not like him last year and so far it looks more of the same.
guess that goes
for CRN & Chow too. Offense is worse!!
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Bravo sir
I love your perspective
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Sep 4, 2010 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Louisiana was being ironic
We have plenty to rant about but it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing coaches after one game!
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You, sir, are correct
I didn’t see his other posts.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No the pistol looked good
The offense play calling was fine, just the execution of the passing game was terrible. The running game looked good. The O-line played well today.
The only Q for CRN/Chow is why start Prince on so little practice? Other than that I am happy with the offensive coaching decisions. The quick 4th and 1 play was brilliant,. The TD was a great fake that allowed Prince to run for a TD untouched.
Excellent perspective
What did Bullough do wrong with scheming (I’ll give you a grace period for the 1st quarter) but tell me what he did wrong. Obviously he must have done something wrong if you want him gone.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Sep 4, 2010 4:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We can't stop the run- ever
How about that?
tackles tackles tackles
the scheming was fine… we just can’t freaking tackle. there were too many missed tackles in this game.
Go Bruins
Chuck?…..UCLA had a pretty good defense last year. Check your facts.
by lasportsfan101 on Sep 4, 2010 7:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just Catch the Ball
It does not matter who threw it, the receivers have to be able to catch the ball. Timing has nothing to do with it. You can either hang on to the ball, or you cannot. Today, the Bruins did not.
you are right!
the most experienced unit on our team looked like freshmen today
Some catches weren't timed well or were misthrown
but if you cannot hold onto a ball which hits you in the numbers you shouldn’t be play receiver.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If we don't go at least 2-2 this month
I’m getting a list of coaching candidates together. This is pathetic.
who
can this team beat with this offense. Name it?
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Offense will get better
Too much overreaction by everyone. With another week of practice Prince will be better than he was today. Not making excuses for the WRs for all the drops but it’s hard to imagine that they can be worse than today.
IN PART
That is a timing issue. It is one of the reasons why you don’t platoon QBs. QBs and WRs need to work together. Prince and WRs showed they have not done so enough. I will guarantee you that Prince and the WRs will be better next week. The only question is how much.
Defense needs a change
We got NO production out of Westgate today. Larimore and Ayers were fine. We should think about going into a 4-2-5. Get Dietrich Riley on the field so we Ayers can get some help
2 and 10 season
Prince sucked.
D sucked.
Receivers sucked.
Coleman sucked. Jones and Franklin should get all the carries (maybe James).
AGAIIN OUR BEST PLAYER IS THE KICKER. NEVER A GOOD SIGN FOR A FOOTBALL TEAM.
Team needs to get the ball into the hands of the speed players.
Thigpen should be on offense.
by 110 South on Sep 4, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
You said it. That was a poor performance from a poorly coached team.
the penalty's
just drive me crazy!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Right
A poorly coached team never commits penalties in the season opener. Never. I’m sure Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Mack Brown can make sure that their teams don’t commit penalties in Week 1
Formerly ucla13_usc9
yeah... florida just botched 15 snaps out of 60 offensive plays...
that urban meyer. i think we should find a replacement for him too.
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
This is priceless
Since when did everyone become so insightful around here?
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Sep 4, 2010 4:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
110 likes to make cute little bets
About when our starting QB is going to get hurt. He is being watched closely.
Out of curiosity, why does DC Bruin
…say that Prince showed leadership today? What qualifies that? Truly I am not bashing Prince, who had an uneven day at best, but I can’t see anything that would qualify as showing leadership other than he was QB.
How Prince Led
He was off and not a 100%, yet he still made the plays when it counted and did not make any crucial mistakes.
1. He scored the first TD on a good fake
2. He hit two passes when we had to have them to set up the last score
3. His two INTs were desperation time and did not hurt us. So in the middle of a bad game for him, he did not make any crucial mistakes, except for a close call fumble. Think about it. If Kevin Craft was QB with his timing off, it would have been 6 INTs.
4. Yes he yelled at WRs, but he never lost his composure with all the drops. His best plays came at the end.
5. He was great on the no huddle, especially the 4th and 1.
6. He was not his usual self and we still almost won. No 12 man on the field or one less Embree drop and we likely win.
That said, I would not have started him because you need to practice. However, he showed he is a leader. Does that make sense?
Most that is just a QB playing the position, not exceptional in any sense
… I guess the only thing that I would buy is running the no-huddle.
Can you see QB leadership on TV?
I am curious what signs of leadership you’d expect to see on TV?
We don’t get to hear what he tells the other players – we often don’t
get to see what he does when the D is on field.
DCBruin has a good list, and I’d like to add: they never gave up.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
This new offense is based off of a running qb. Prince is not that. He and Brehaut were recruited to run a pro style. Prince has open field speed, but not quickness to run this pistol, revolver, whatever CRN calls it. Thats why Bell is in the fold and will be in the mix very soon I believe. Oregon has a true freshman QB that can run this kind of offense. I believe they scored some pts today. Team will not key on Prince or Brehaut as runners……It wont happen
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Right! That's why a RB ran in that TD...
Wait a sec. It was Prince.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Prince wasn't explosive or anything
but his running was adequate.
Our play calling was good enough to win
That was a truly appalling performance by our receivers. They lost us the game today. I’m hardly Bullough’s biggest fan and think he can’t scheme a defense for his life. But with our WR’s making plays, we’re playing from ahead and making K-State throw.
this is no excuse...
we have had three amazing recruiting classes in a row. It is about time we turn the corner and play like the better teams in the nation. No more of this mediocre crap.
I was thinking
about this. I don’t see the skills. We keep hearing about, reading about top recruits, but (other than Akeem, Rahim… a few others) we look slow, underskilled. I am not sure it’s coaching any more as much as players not making plays.
i saw
Rahim missing quite a few tackles and guys running past him on big plays. Pass protection was good., they didnt throw the ball. This defense reminds me of the Miami game and getting run over by Wisconsin in two Rosebowls.
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
this good enough, we could have, should have, some flashes of future, looked good, signs of improvement rah rah talk is getting old, too proud of BRUIN to tell people my BRUINS showed flashes of the future…
well said!
the future is now. People need to step up! After a while if the production is not there on the field we are no longer going to get the “top” recruiting classes. This team needs to come back w a serious chip on their shoulders. All week the national media was talking about how we were going to lose. There was a plethora of bulletin board material yet we came out very uninspired and not focused.
There ought to be a
Minimum amount of comments to participate in these threads. It’s not even worth responding to at this point.
Prince Sucks, lets kill Neuheisel, Chow and Bullough, we haven’t made any progress in three years, at all…. None (Beware of sarchasm… Don’t fall in)
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Sep 4, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Among the more reasonable commenters, the point about the coaches seems to be...
Shouldn’t we be seeing more net improvement than appears to be happening?
I don’t follow the ins-and-outs of the team enough to know whether the answer to that question is yes or no. But on the surface, it doesn’t strike me as an outrageous question to be asking.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 4, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
03rdn9 i know you want to keep things in perspective
but doesn’t it feel like whenever we improve somewhere, we start to step back somewhere else? the running game and OL improved, but the catching wasn’t. The defense was good, but not the running defense…when will we stop accepting that our football can be better than we’re improving. sadly, when i have nothing too positive to write on report card comments for my students, but they’re not horrible, but didn’t really show good progress, i say, there were some improvements…sorry i’m being negative, it’s just getting old…i mean we don’t give this kind of leeway to our basketball team…
Improvement
I appreciate the thought, but you need to make sure that you are looking at the right areas of improvement. When singling out one thing to blame (stupid I know) its impossible to say anything other than the receiver’s play. We took a huge step back, but we definitely still have our foot in the door with guys like Rosario and now Marvray showing some good signs, and you have to acknowledge that Presley got his first career start, as did Barr. Embree has no excuses for his drop(s) today, one that absolutely killed the UCLA momentum down inside the 20. UCLA’s defense did a great job in the 2nd quarter, where UCLA had an opportunity to run away with the game. Akeem is Akeem, but guys like Holmes and Westgate need to step up quick, they got dominated today. Of course, it was one of the best running backs in the nation (no doubt) that stared them down from across the line.
Improvement came from the offensive line, which boasted one legitimately experienced lineman, in turn made the running game look absolutely 100% better with the pistol look. Our secondary had some hiccups, but looked better in tackling and in aggressiveness. And Akeem is akeem.
So in conclusion, I call straw on you to say that we haven’t improved or progressed since last year. There is no leeway, UCLA’s football team is improving consistently for the most part, while the basketball team DID take a step back
Formerly ucla13_usc9
i respectfully disagree, but i accept that you do know waaay more football than me.
so, you’re right, i won’t play the blame game and make generalities. all of that aside, i just feel like our team wasn’t psyched and prepared to play. we’ll see next game i guess…
Westgate
I didn’t think he looked bad… did I miss something?
i can appreciate
your continued patience – but I’m tired of losing games we should win. NO MORE EXCUSUES.. Getting better doesn’t cut it! at some point you have to start winning!!!!!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
+1 03 too!
I hope so, can’t keep wearing my colors and my comeback is…“someday we’ll get there!”
As I said in the Signing day podcast
We’re on the cusp, and this year could be the most painful, but optimistic year of Neuheisel’s tenure
Formerly ucla13_usc9
there are postives too.
OLINE was solid today, I don’t remember if there was too much penatlies called against them like there was last season but Prince usually had more time to make a decision. And it will get better with Harris coming back.
D-line. It was okay, most of the pressure was caused by Ayers but Tepa, Holmes, and Chandler each made some plays. And the thing with those 3 guys is that they haven’t played a significant role in past years and this was their first game and they will get better.
Give KSU some credit
Thomas is a great player. Without his greatness, things could have turned differently. He was the Big 12’s leading rusher last year and if this keeps it up, he will rush for a jillion yards this year. Snyder is a fine, fine coach.
I ain’t happy. But then neither is CRN or any of his coaches or players. But this unhappiness has to viewed through the prism of reality. One reason football is such a great game is that we get to see fine performances (like Thomas’s) or great leadership (like Snyder’s).
With these fine sentiments well in hand, I am still going to go barf.
by peggysue69 on Sep 4, 2010 4:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks
I assure you my observations would have been even more uplifting if we had won the game. Ugh!
Go Bruins—beat the cardinal!
by peggysue69 on Sep 4, 2010 5:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Their other running back was doing
good when he was in as well.
no trick plays on
KSU’s part. One man……one ball and 11 guys couldnt tackle. Put a helmet on Peggysue! You may run for record yardage.
Awful
It looks like more of the same to me. No fire. No ability to execute for a whole game. Does anyone really believe KSU has better players and out recruits UCLA? It’s always about the coaching? We have the players and have had them for a long time.
Which flashes of the future?
We’re stuck with Prince for two more years probably. Holy crap.
Bullough is on watch for me
Vanilla scheme, bailed out by Ayers being a complete monster. Lets see how far he gets rushing 3 and getting pressure against a team with real LTs and RTs.
Depressing, because if we sold out for the run more I think we could have pulled this out
ahem
you will note that the one time we “sold out” for the run, Daniel Thomas scored a long, uncontested touchdown. The problem, as others have stated, was not scheming. It was individual mistakes, KState making good plays, and missed tackles.
by Captain Leebeard on Sep 4, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
okay, what if i put my anger aside and be constructive
where do we need to improve? what went wrong?
Answer: same problems, weaknesses and lack of consistency as the previous years…
I know I’m being sarcastic…sorry. But okay, any real answers that are not sarcastic, let’s compare to previous teams…
Under CRN vs. previous years
we could not run the ball. The big worry today was the O-line. Today we ran the ball well.
The Pistol worked. We scored our first TD because of the Pistol. Prince went untouched into the end zone.
Our running game is better and the pistol helped.
Our WRs have not looked this bad. Prince did have one similarly bad game when he came back too soon after an injury. I think the same thing happen here. If they (QB and WRs) were as good as last year, we win. I think they will be in future weeks.
Defense, your gripe has some merit
thanks dc, you're a bigger man than me for being so level headed
but don’t forget, our offense scored again and got good field position not because of the pistol, it was because our defense stepping up again to set them up…same as previous years.
i know its pre mature but i
We Want Brehaut We want Breahaut We want Breahut. I know its to soon to pull him however if he is that rusty coaches should have sen that going into the game and gave breahut the start
yep
I think he should have gotten a shot. Prince was make zero plays. CRN apparently is sold on Prince. Its gonna be another long, long year. I hope I’m wrong,
by LouisianaBruins on Sep 4, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If Prince is hurting and not able to practice
I agree it may be worth a shot. But otherwise no. A healthy and practicing Prince is a good QB.
Deja Vu
Didn’t I hear this last season?
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
We're in for a long season. And I'm not looking forward to it.
Some random thoughts in no particular order.
Prince shouldn’t have been out there today. I would have started Brehaut. Prince didn’t have any mobility and his inability to run stymied the pistol.
Norman Chow may be a great offensive mind. But so far I have seen no evidence of it at UCLA. The 2 pt conversion play was really pathetic.
For most of the game Prince had great protection. Our OL is much improved. But Prince’s timing was off. He should have been pulled. Rather than giving Prince confidence I’d like to try to win some games.
Kevin Craft would have killed today with the pass protection our OL gave Prince.
Our running game was also pretty uninspired and the only reason we had as many rushnig yards as we did ie because our passing game was dreadful.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
watching the way we played today...
I hope to see more improvements…but this is clearly a team that does not remember the SUC humiliation we took last season.
How many of our guys in the front 7 on D started last year?
How many of our oline started last year?
I only ask these questions to remind people that for a whole lot of these players this was their first start and/or experience in a real game at this level. That being said, I thought our o-line really came through and you could see it by the time KP had and the rushing yards. I really think the biggest issue on offense was KP’s not practicing with his receivers. I hope a week will get things together in this regard. I’m a little upset that CRN and CNC put him in after their comments this week on his being rusty. If the rust is still there before next game, I say play Brehaut. I don’t think, however, that the rust will be there and I think our offense will be fine, actually, it might become exceptional.
Defense concerns me more. I don’t know what they need to do to fix the problem. I don’t know if they try different personnel or if it’s schemes. Did Owa play today?
But back to my questions…yes this is CRN’s 3rd year, but unlike other programs, he started down in a big whole and I think that is evidenced by our lack of experienced players on the OL and in the front defensive 7.
I also think it’s weird that some posters just come here to rant during games. Are they paying attention to what is going on with the team on regular basis? Just another question.
Go Bruins!
This “big whole” you speak of; why don’t you check out on Rivals or somewhere else just how awful the recruiting classes were before CRN arrived. I think you’ll find that they were just fine. He arrived at a time when we weren’t winning, but there were horses in the barn.
1st, sorry about my spelling "hole".
Well, I guess I’m not as knowledgable about this as others, but I thought there was a consensus that Dorrell had left the program with a whole lot of holes.
Go Bruins!
God
You’re honestly going to say that UCLA wasn’t in any kind of talent depression when Neuheisel. And don’t you dare point to rivals rankings.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I can understand the frustration in the here and now
But these people taking the next step and rewriting history are just disgustingly dishonest.
They're picking fights too
These are the same guys that said that 2005 was a breakthrough season.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
Give me a break. UCLA had fine players three years ago and has even finer players now. No one is rewriting history. We are just tired of all the loosing and excuses.
When was the last time UCLA started a season with its First String QB intact?
The thing which is really getting old to me is our QB’s health!!!
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just disappointed with today’s result! I really don’t want to put any blame on anybody, but if I had to it would be on Prince & the receivers. As far as the defense goes, they did their job but no matter how good the defensive unit is, sooner or later it is going to get tired from being on the field all day long. I am tired of seeing 3 & out from the offense! Sooner or later Prince is going to have to step up his game or he should be replaced by someone that can move the chains & put points on the board.
Questions I have
about today are – 1. hearing all week that both prince and brehaut will play, not sure how much each will get, why didn’t they put in brehaut ? For a couple of series at leasrt. At best, prince was off and clearly showed a lack of practice time. After his first quarter, he made a case for brehaut IMO.. 2. That was a pretty weak call on the 2 pt try. An empty bacfield from the 3 yard line ? They just stuffed the end zone with defenders. And again, prince showed poor decision making trying to make a miracle pass
well
1 – Neuheisel wanted Snyder’s boys to prepare for 2 QBs. 2 – ya… probably should have kept someone back there.
Face it, Bill Snyder should be our coach. Ours' suck.
This is RN and NC’s THIRD year and its time to stop making excuses for their terrible offensive decisions. Don’t get me wrong. I like the pistol. I love our talent, but our coaches, yes, our coaches make bad decisions over and over again.
1. Prince should not have started and, once he did, Brehaut should have come in by the second quarter, easily, at least to see what he could do after an excellent three weeks of practice with the ones. There is no excuse for these bad, bad decisions and inflexibility by the offensive coaches. Frankly, KP looked just as crappy as he did against SUC and Oregon and most of the teams last year. I’m tired of hearing excuses for him when he’s been given the starting job every time he can walk. But I blame the coaches for playing him when he clearly is not the guy, at least not today for 58 minutes.
2. NC never runs the ball in four down territory. We ran well all day, especially with Malcolm Jones, finally, in the game. What a stud. But every time we get near the goal line NC stops running north and south and starts his finesse plays. JUST LIKE LAST YEAR. So we’re soft when it counts, in the red zone, over and over again.
3. With one exception today, we played for field goals, JUST LIKE LAST YEAR. KSU went for touchdowns. It makes a difference. Forbath will have 50 field goals at this rate and we will go 4-8.
4. On defense, we were not prepared to stop the simplest running game imaginable. Even their slow QB hurt us on the option. We ran ourselves out of running plays constantly. We failed on fundamental, assignment football on defense. That’s shameful. KSU was a one trick pony and we never had 8 in the box to force them to pass. Never. We were soft on defense. That’s coaching. That’s on RN and CB.
5. OUR OL was fine. That excuse is gone. They dominated KSU WHEN OUR COACHES COMMITTED THEMSELVES TO THE RUN.
I supported RN’s hire, but I have suffered the first two years with the softness of these coaches. Get that? The softness of the coaches. They are weak in their strategy and their coaching of fundamentals. Period.
I said it in the first quarter. One team was well coached and had a confident QB. It was not us. Coach Snyder takes completely inferior talent, schools them in the fundamentals and runs the ball down your throat.
This is a make or break year for RN in my opinion. No more excuses. Not this year. This loss was the same crap I have seen for two years. If I have to take it a third, dammit, then there should not be a fourth.
IF BILL SNYDER COACHED UCLA WE WOULD HAVE WON BY THREE TOUCHDOWNS. As it is, he won by 9 with a QB UCLA would not even recruit and a bunch of ragtag linemen and JUCO transfers.
NO MORE EXCUSES!
No more blaming Bush, I mean, KD and his bad recruiting! No more!
I’m tired of all the should of, could of, crap. That’s for losers. And that’s what your team was today, because of RN, and Chow and Bullough! THE COACHES SUCKED TODAY!
Clean it up or get out!
GO BRUINS!
I say get out by your logic
If you’re going to go about and compare Neuheisel or any of the coaches that you so conspicuously failed to mention, to Snyder, you are crazy. Snyder can win anywhere, but there is NOONE like Snyder.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
It's pretty simple
Peter stepped in with a load more that Bill did his first, and second go arounds.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I would take a pale imitation of Bill Snyder.
i don’t know about other coaches. I only know RN, whose hire I supported, is our coach, and he did a poor job today. He would likely agree with me.
If we would commit more to the run on offense and stopping the run on defense, I would be happy, just as a start.
I value your opinions very highly. I really do. So if you can show me I’m wrong factually, I would appreciate it.
I went to almost every game, home and away, last year. And it’s the same pattern. Too pass happy and finesse on offense. No commitment to stop the run on defense. Maybe against a more balanced team this would be suicide. But against KSU it was necessary and was not done.
That’s coaching IMO.
The coaches did a poor job today. If you can tell me where they did a good job, I’d like to know.
I don't understand
You’re saying that today was too pass happy? And that UCLA didn’t commit to run defense?
UCLA was heavy, heavy run today, with pretty good success. And Tony Dye was in the box nearly every play (led the team with 15 tackles) so I don’t understand what went awry for the 66 yard star QB that didn’t get any respect whatsoever from the DB’s. I just think UCLA got flat out dominated on the front 7 today.
I appreciate the compliments, by the way, but don’t bash my coaches without a real reason as to why they did a “poor” job today.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I disagree wrt to our front 7 getting dominated.
we played out of position and didn’t stick to assignments. It wasn’t like our dline was getting blown of the ball every play.
Domination
If you are not tackling in the hole, getting reached on a blitz (for outside running), and in turn fall for every counter in the book, I think you can say that they got dominated. (Notice how I didn’t bring up yardage? Haha)
Formerly ucla13_usc9
What you seem to be talking about
is technique and mental mistakes. It wasn’t a physical problem is my only point.
Everyone should remember
that it was the first game of the year, which sometimes can indicate problems for the rest of the year, or sometimes can be an anomly with problems that can be fixed. Right now im leaning on this game being an example of the latter, we probably would have won if our receivers had made catches and if they had been in sync with Prince.
One loss does not break our season, just like if we had won this game it would not have made our season. We need to give our team some more games before making the broad generalizations that are being made currently. Lets give Prince a chance to get in sync with our receivers, and our many new players on defense another chance before writing everyone off
One loss does not make a season,
but the same pattern of mistakes and poor coaching of fundamentals is the problem. We have seen all of this the last two years.
This was another winnable game completely undermined by poor coaching on both sides of the ball.
I say again. If Snyder was our coach, we win by three touchdowns. Our talent is that much better. Most of the KSU team would not even get invites by UCLA. Even after the victory.
It/s the coaching, people. We must demand better from our coaches. Much better.
The knock on RN, even after he had successful teams with others’ recruits, has been his teams are soft. I don’t think this team is soft. It tries hard and gives it all, but the coaches’ strategy is weak on fundamentals on defense and running the ball in the red zone.
One more little example by others: the two point try was a weak empty backfield that put no pressure on a defense when Malcolm Jones was running up the middle for ten yards a carry?
Huh? That’s SOFT FOOTBALL.
A broken record now going on three years.
GO BRUINS!
It was bad luck
Plain and simple: if KP had been able to practice the past weeks this would have been a big, fat ‘W’ for UCLA.
If you’re going to blame that injury on anyone it is the trainers (or maybe UCLA med center isn’t good enough at sports medicine to get KP back quickly. Let’s dump UCLA Medicine!!)
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad luck is an excuse.
KSU lost it’s starting QB at a critical point in the game. The sub who had never played a down got the ball out of the shadow of their goal line.
If KP was “rusty” then he should not have played. Brehaut should have started, even Bell should have been given a chance. That’s how coaches build confidence in their players.
Your focusing on the tail of the dog. My complaint is with the coaches’ decisions, not the players. Unfortunately, some players, especially Prince and Embree, were not fundamentally sound. But they’ve been like that before, last year, too.
That’s on the COACHES who are responsible for instilling fundamentally sound football. Did Prince throw another typical interception or fumble because he was rusty or because this is just what he did last year, too?
You can’t let coaches off with these excuses. We did not do it for Dorell. But we’ve been doing it for two years with RN. This is the third year, people.
NO MORE EXCUSES FOR POOR PLAY. NONE.
Last year everyone thought Brehaut would save the day
but he didn’t. He isn’t magical.
Some fans are complaining that our coaches didn’t play Brehaut today
but what makes them think that Brehaut would have saved the day this time?
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
if KP had been able to practice
it still wouldn’t have given our D the ability to make a tackle.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
You say bad coaching
I say the receivers had a case of the drops. You might be right, I hope I am. I cant wait for the Stanford game to see how our players, especially the Prince and the Receivers respond. I agree about the 2-point conversion play wasnt what I would have called, but lets see how the season plays out before deciding on the quality of our coaches
Re 2 point conversion
We went over this last year against Oregon. Those make it or break it plays are criticized for failure, and applauded for success blindly. In other words, if they had converted, you wouldn’t have said anything. You cant just say, shucks, they had that play snuffed out and had a great pass rush off the edge to ruin the play? Think about that before you call MY football team soft.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I'm Still Bummed Out And Disappointed
It’s just the mental errors (read dropped passes) that, at the end of the day, played a big part of us going down. And I think, like last year, we’ll get better as the season progresses. We’re in good hands with CRN and CNC and we’re going to be all right.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 4, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
according to our nice little BN ticker countdown to SUC...
Our BRUINS have 90 days to get things together…possible?! I hope so…
I gotta admit, I'm bummed
I know one game does not a season make, but if we can’t beat Kstate, who can we beat? The only team on our schedule worse than them is WSU. You could make a case that ASU and Houston are in that category as well, but that leaves with what, 3 potential wins? Ugh.
KState
Has a shot at winning the Big XII North this year. I don’t know what you mean by that SOS bit there
Formerly ucla13_usc9
KState
is a lower-tier Pac10 team. I would put them on the same level as an Arizona St. Let’s keep proper perspective here. We did not get beat by an elite team.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Let's see how KSU is ranked in October
We cannot assess how good KSU is after one game – all we know
is that they were better than we were.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I have seen enough football
to know that KSU is not an elite team. I don’t care where they are ranked, and I really don’t care if they are competing for the stupid Big 12 North championship . We have out-recruited them for the last several years (even during the Dorrell era) and should have beaten them. We should be a program that beats a Kansas St., home, neutral or away. Yes, they were better than us today and that is what I have a problem with.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Have you seen enough football
to know that teams don’t go from being ranked ~100th in offense to elite status in one season? UCLA is still a ways from going toe to toe with elite teams.
Did you notice that almost everyone has UCLA picked to middle to bottom of Pac-10 this year? This is probably because once again, we’re returning few starters on O-line and our D is depleted from last year. Injuries have plagued us (not just KP, but Kai & Kai).
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know what expectations
are from the media, and I know what expectations are from a 30-plus year supporter and alumnus are, and today this team fell below my expectations. If you are happy and content that this team meets the media’s expectations for this year, then good for you. But personally, I wont be happy, and I wont give in to those who tell me I should be happy.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I'm not happy nor am I content with this performance.
I think we agree far more than it looks. I thought that we
played far below our talent level and it was the most
aggravating UCLA game I’ve seen since CRN took the helm.
Half the time I was screaming at the TV “What the f*ck? Are
your hands broken?!” Regardless of whether our O or D
was on the field.
We could have won this game if our WR’s were playing mediocre.
We could have won this game if our D didn’t let up in the 3rd & 4th qtr.
OTOH: KSU isn’t a bad team. They have talent, too. Sure,
we have more talent – but that is why with breakdowns on O &
on D we still had a chance. If KSU was a nothing team we
would have beat them – just with our running game.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
We got beat
By a great running game. Would you put a one sided team like USC (who’s secondary looks like a high school varsity team’s) on ASU’s level too? Like you did with KSU?
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I don't give a shit about USC
I only care about us and who we are playing on a particular week. KState did not impress me, and UCLA impressed me less so. Let me make it clear that I don’t have a problem with you or anyone else complementing and respecting our competition, but I do feel we need to keep things in proper perspective. We want to be a program that handles a KState-level program without difficulty, and we are not there yet.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I think you are under-estimating some of KSU's strengths, that might be an elite level.
“I don’t know how many teams in the Pac-10 can power-run like KSU can. The middle three on the O-line may be the best in the Big XII, Wilson is one of the best FBs in the country " to quote T Sean. We knew they had an excellent, if not elite, o-line coming in. That really showed up today, especially in contrast to our newly assembled D-line.
I think in some ways KSU and UCLA are in the same boat. We were elite in 1998. We took a plunge into the abyss, and we are both climbing our ways out. Their D-line is weak, so were not sure about our pieced together o-line. Their team may not be an elite team again, but they have elite pieces and those pieces today were superior to what we could throw at them.
Go Bruins!
Agreed - we played poorly. But KSU doesn't suck.
I agree that our level of play was so poor that it was embarrassing. Our players played below themselves. If our receivers could have caught the balls which bounced off of their jersey’s we’d likely have won today. If our D had stopped Thomas or Powell on the 3rd or 4th contact instead of 5th or 6th we might have been close.
We beat ourselves.
I’ll betcha that CRN is chewing some asses over the weak tackling and butter fingers.
But their secondary did do a good job defending our receivers & Thomas is for real as is their Oline. KSU is a good team.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I do commend K State
for doing some things well today, especially some of the things that you mentioned, but I do have a problem with some of the posters making them out to be an elite-level team so as to somewhat diminish the level of rightful critique that should be laid out upon our team today. This was a game that, right up until the 2 minute mark of the 4th quarter, we should have won. Quite frankly, after today, there are a couple of games on our schedule that I don’t think we have any business in winning. I’ll have a different mindset then, but today, I think we should have won. That’s where I stand, and where I think every Bruin should stand.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
We see eye to eye
KSU’s good but not Texas or Oregon … not by a long shot.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yup.
We aren’t supposed to play at their level and almost win, performance was sub par for where this program should be at this point.
If the entire year continues like this, then CRN & rest of the coaches will own it. But, for now still one game.
One thing we haven't commented on...the snaps!
Ryan Taylor came through. As we noted in other posts, especially with the revolver, the snaps are critical….and they were critically horrible in scrimmage. The fact that we’re not talking about it is really good news because I know that it was a big concern.
Go Bruins!
Good point.
But, OL timing was of on few plays, lacking our center did hurt. Now the hand offs to the running backs looked horrible.
It's Brehaut time.
Kevin Prince – 9 for 26, 121 yds. 1 TD, 2 INT
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
It had to have been at least 5 or 6 drops
and the pics came when there just no time left on the clock and he had to take risks.
It was also a bad pass
I don’t know that I would call it solely a ‘superhuman play by the DB’. The ball was delivered to the inside of (I think) Embree when he had a good three yards on the outside. Great play by 27, but also a really poor pass by Prince.
Yeah...
…but I bet CRN is still going to start Prince against Stanford. And maybe, just maybe, possibly if there is a solar eclipse, or if the stars align perfectly at the right moment, Brehaut may get 1 snap.
Dude its getting really old
Unless you’ve been to all practices (including the closed practices which Brehaut and Prince competed directly), it makes no sense to listen to you when you say that Prince is worse than Brehaut.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
i know, notaznguy is really pushing it
but will it really hurt to see some snaps when prince is struggling? not start him, but get him a few snaps
Note:
most of those dropped balls were not on KP. Brehaut wouldn’t have made the KSU secondary play worse or made our WR’s play better.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
the drops
and 12 men on the field. those are just painful to watch. time to clean it up.
We are an average team
that got beat by another average team. Period.
Karl Dorrell ran this program into the ground, and Rick Neuheisel, while recruiting well and displaying the right mindset of what we would expect from a Bruin Head Coach in his 1st 3 years, has fallen short of the expectations of where I expect this program should be in year 3 of his coaching tenure. We have more talent than Kansas St., and should have beaten them comfortably today. We didn’t, so criticism needs to handed down accordingly.
Our defense looked slightly above average today. There were several situations where our DBs covered well and led to coverage hurries or sacks. We applied decent pressure from our front 7, and we tackled well. That said, we did allow 150 + yards from their opposing running back and failed to stop them on a few key possessions. We had 12 men on the field at one point that cost us 7 points (coaching).
Our offense looked slightly below average today. Kevin Prince had an overall bad game. He missed several receivers, and turned the ball over twice. Fumble by Prince killed us in the 2nd half. If you are going to place a high priority on your QB running the ball, he has to take care of the ball. Period. Play calling was average. Receivers dropped several passes and/or ran bad routes. Running game was solid, but not spectacular. Roughly one third of our possessions were hampered with silly illegal procedure penalties (coaching).
Slightly above average defense with a slightly below average offense = average. 6-6 team.
Sorry, but this is not the team that I would expect out of Rick Neuheisel in year 3 of his tenure. As far as I am concerned, next week is a show-me game in a show-me season for CRN. Let’s see what happens.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
I'm afraid you're pretty much right.
And a 6-6 would probably be what we can expect this year. And I guess with some Sunday-level talent on D we are slightly above average, but I saw some horrible tackling today… arm tackles etc.
While there are a lot so silly “fire the coach” reaction for this first game, it is unquestionably true that we had a right to expect a stronger team by year 3 of the Neu era.
We tackled well?
I think that our D tackled poorly – especially in the second half.
On both sides of the ball UCLA needs to work on hand skills!!
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We tackled well
in most situations, but obviously there were exceptions, especially, as you noted, in the second half. I thought our tackling today was better than it has been in the last couple of years, FWIW.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
OK. In 1st & 2nd Quarter
Our D played very well in late 1st & 2nd quarters – we shut them out.
But most of the second half (especially that first KSU possession) it looked
like they were playing touch football.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We tackled well
in most situations…as long as K-State wasn’t running the ball. Just a minor little detail.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Thanks BM
This is pretty much what I feel like after today. Neuheisel’s done a good job of recruiting and pulling the team out of the abyss, but this team is behind where I expected it to be in year 3. We’re in danger of being lapped in the Pac-10 by Washington and Stanford in the re-building sweepstakes.
That’s not good.
Yes, we really got lapped by Washington
I expect a little better from you then to put up BS like this.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, and I certainly
don’t think Washington and Stanford are going to be as good as everyone thinks they’re going to be this year (in fact, I tend to think the opposite), but whether you want to admit it or not, this is an important season for UCLA to show some real, tangible progress on the football field – and I’m not talking about moral victories. If they can’t show that this year, it’s entirely possible they lose out on the balance of power shifting in the Pac-10 as sanctions begin to take their impact on ’SC.
This game was basically a repeat of last year’s Oregon State game – woulda, coulda’, shoulda’. Woulda’, coulda’, shoulda’ shouldn’t be cutting it in year 3. I get that it’s a tough schedule this year – but this was a game I thought was almost a must-win to build some momentum for a brutal early-season schedule.
Now we’re basically in a desperation game situation with Stanford next week. Is is better if we lose this week and beat Stanford next week? Hell yes. But now we basically have to do that in order to build some confidence for the team.
More than anything else, I was more disappointed with the fact that I saw a lot of the same mistakes out of Prince in this game that we saw from him last year in his ‘first game(s) back from injury’.
At some point, it’s not helpful to the team if we always have to wait three weeks of real game-time for him to get back up to speed. He didn’t play absolutely terrible (I’d probably rate him about a 5 out of 10), and I’m not advocating that we start Brehaut, but it is somewhat maddening to not see a lot of development out of him at this point. I’m sure the coaches are seeing something more in practice, but it needs to start translating to the games. And yeah, he needs help from his receivers.
Bottom line: I won’t be calling for Neuheisel’s head if this season turns out a lot like today’s game, but I can’t say I’ll be particularly pleased.
This is not a "Show Me" season for Neuheisel
We have made that pretty clear during off-season. Don’t really care much for comments from people who were absent all offseason and then waltzing in here to lay down the idea how this a show me" season.
Well,
I’m sorry that you and I aren’t on the same page. But at year 3 I do expect more than what I saw from this team today. I’m not giving up on this season, and I do believe in this coaching staff and support them, but I am not happy with what I saw today. Also, I do not mean to imply that CRN is on the hot seat similar to KDs last season, which I know was termed a “show me” season around here, because clearly he is not, and I have no intention on putting him there. But I do expect more out of this program and this staff. I am not sure exactly how my expectations are not congruent with yours, so, notwithstanding the “show me” season comment, I’m not sure why you are calling me out, even if my posts were less frequent in the offseason.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Perspective Anyone
I am bummed too and not happy but also not suicidal. A few points:
1. Kevin Prince is not the Drago of UCLA football. I think it is legitimate to ask if the coach should have started him today. A less than a 100% Prince who does not practice enough, should not start. Good point. But this does not mean Prince is terrible or today’s performance was indicative of his ability.
2. The Coach’s made some errors. The above decision and the 12 man penalty for example. But they also developed a way to run the ball behind an O-Line that last 60% of its starters. Also, the Pistol looked good.
3. We lost a game we could\should have won. But it was the first game of the season on the road in a tough place to play against a good coach with a great RB. It is not like we lost to WSU at home.
So yes there are concerns. I share them. But it is not hopeless.
Agree
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 4, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
agree not hopless, but starting to get tired of broken record
does not mean i won’t support or defend my BRUINS.
the good and the bad
Forbath looked great and Prince while not terrible needs reps with receivers who also could learn how to catch, get separation, and reachy for the ball. we will be better and I feel better than with some of our past losses. KSU doesn’t lose opening home games for the last 12 years plus. Bruins need practice as a unit and lets see more of Josh Smith
+1
On Josh Smith. One question I have for coaching staff is: why isn’t Smith returning punts? He looks so fast and looked good on Kick Returns.
I want more Smith and Jones.
Having done it myself
The punt return and the kickoff return things are two Completely different monsters. Josh looked excellent today, so that’s probably the reason why he isn’t returning punts.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I wondering if you could clarify this for me, ( a real question not a criticism).
Why would Josh’s looking excellent today be the reason he’s not returning punts?
Go Bruins!
God that was poor word choice on my part
Punt returns and kick returns have different technique, require different skills, etc. Which is really something that people take for granted when it comes to having a duel returner. So obviously, Josh isn’t good at returning punts.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Sep 4, 2010 6:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There were drops
… but Prince also was accurate. A couple catches were difficult, reaching to balls thrown behind them. Not exactly evened out, but the bad pass game is not completely on the receivers
I am not prepared to accept mediocrity for UCLA football.
These coaches can and should do better. Of course, we can still have a great season, but only if we hold their feet to the fire and stop making the same, tired excuses for their poor job.
Let's be real
Sure, we all want to rant about our disappointment: UCLA could have won the game but CRN & CNC are professionals and take great pride in their work. A bunch of bloggers ‘holding their feet to the fire’ are going to have zero effect. Every mistake we see they already know about.
From what I’ve seen of CRN, he wants to take UCLA to the top of the Pac-10 even more than we want it. This is the man’s dream job and he’s got it all on the line.
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I am a Trojan?
No I am not. I am just honest about what I see. Would I be a true Bruin if I made excuses or pretended like today was a good performance? When we play well I will be the first to say so. When we play terrible like today, I will tell you my opinion.
Franklin's off-season ball carrying really paid off.
KSU defenders were really going after the ball when he had it and boy did he hang on. He would have been great last year, had he been able to do the same. Good for you JetSki.
Go Bruins!
Holy Crap
There are a lot of negative nancys on here. Where were all of you last year? Will you be back during basketball season, asking for Coach Howland’s head?
We were ON THE ROAD. We didn’t have the friendly confines of the Rose Bowl or a home crowd to help us out. We sucked all the momentum out of that place in the second half, in case you didn’t notice.
K-State played their game. We showed flashes. We also showed many areas that need improvement. It’s not the end of the world people. If you thought we were going to win every game this season you’re delusional. We were in this game.
What more could I ask for? Why yes, a win, but without Prince practicing and the receivers deciding to coat their hands in butter before the game, what are you going to do? I saw some improved running, Jones looked nice, and Morrell Presley saw very limited action after his two dropped passes to start the game.
By the way, in case you couldn’t tell if you were listening to the announcers who kept mixing up Rosario and Embree the entire game, Kevin Prince missed a lot of practice. Just in case it wasn’t mentioned 800 times. And they could have given a shout-out to MJD who did go down and not score a touchdown this past season in the NFL to kill clock during one of the Jags games. But then they’d admit they paid attention to someone else other than a big name team…
Kai Forbath, on the other hand, didn’t practice (only mentioned 400 times) and kicked three FG’s.
I’ve accepted this loss and I ask for improvement next week against Stanford.
by freesia39 on Sep 4, 2010 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Finally
Finally someone put into words what I’ve been thinking while reading this all evening. I couldn’t find the words to properly state what freesia did very well. It was one game. Am I upset and disappointed that we lost? Absolutely, but lets see how week two goes before we start clamoring for massive changes.
I completely
AGREE! One game does not a season make. I am also saddened and disappointed. I thought UCLA would win this game today, not easily and not by a lot, but I did have confidence they would win it and they just came up short. It happens, all a part of the sport. But again this is one game and a non-league game at that. Does UCLA have a lot to work on and improve before next week’s home opener against Stanford? Hell yes they do, but I do think to be competitive in a very tough conference, they have to right the ship quickly, make the small adjustments that are necessary and get prepared to face a tough Stanford team next week at the Rose Bowl. Come on!! This is a conference game, we should start talking about what has to be done to beat Stanford, not continue talking about a game that is now over and done. We, as do the players and coaches need to forget about this game and move on now. Let the coaches re-hash this game, make their adjustments and prepare for Stanford. As far as I’m concerned if UCLA lost all of their NC games and won all their conference games, everyone on here would probably be ecstatic right? (especially with UCLA’s non-conferance schedule this year). So let’s all just forget about the stumble at Kansas State and if we need to discuss anything, let’s discuss what we all think we need to do to pull out a win against Stanford.
Agree. We lost our first away game to a legit opponent,
And there were some factors that affected our play (i.e., rusty Prince, 6/7 new starters on our Defensive front-7 (no BP)) which will improve over the course of the season. Even so, we were in the game until the end. For those screaming that the sky is falling, it’s way too soon. If today’s game is representative of the season, then I’ll be griping, but the first game is the first game. If we had scheduled patsies like most of the other schools, sure we could have blown out some no-name college and given ourselves a false sense of progress. But I like some of the things we saw today, and some of the things I didn’t like, are things that we can definitely improve on in the short term.
Don’t get me wrong, losing today will still eat me up until 7:25 PM PT next week, but all you guys freaking out, you’re being shortsighted.
A quick note for the quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN.
GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 7:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Based on how $C played Thurs
I think we all agree that we’ll beat them.
Some of us are more worried about teams like Texas, Oregon, and AZ
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 4, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Re USC
I know someone very, very close to the Hawaii Football program, they should have won 44-42, even with the punter punting the ball the wrong direction (RoJo returned that one for 6). They kicked 3 field goals inside the 3 yard line BTW. USC is in a world of hurt this year.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
A great sentiment
But I think largely ineffective, since the “quitters” don’t really come around when we win. We saw it last year when we clawed our way back and I don’t expect them to have the balls to own it this year either.
I also find it annoying
When some people blow sunshine up our asses all offseason long, pumping up their own expectations, and then bitch about stuff like this when they’ve been living in a fantasy land the entire time. These people aren’t pissed about the team losing. They’re pissed about being wrong, and they’re here taking it out on everyone else.
yup
i wonder if their “fans” are calling for mike riley to be fired too…
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
I love Neu
but our game and Oregon State’s game is nowhere near an apples to apples comparison.
covered the spread though
which I was more interested in…
8 penalties, including the late hit.
Probably 8 drops. And yet fairly close, by the score. Poor tackling comes from 12 minute time of possession differential.
I am not worried about this team. Jones looked great, Prince adequate, the defense good most of the game, the O-line good most of the game. Special teams good. Ayers great (minus the late hit).
I feel fortunate that I got this game on TV, as I just moved. Would have felt more fortunate if the offense clicked more, but Prince looks rusty when he has time off for injury. Let’s assess the team after Stanford (which I also get on TV here next week).
Side note question. Is it possible to change my screen name? I don’t live in HB any more.
You can create a new screen name
and supposedly match up your history from the old name with the new one. Didn’t work for me, but I didn’t really care. A number of people who have switched have created a sig line something like “formerly known as (old name)”, if you want us to match your new name with what we know of you as hb.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Doomsday fans go home. UCLA doesn't need you
Granted today was a winnable game, there were no moral victories, and everyone is pretty frustrated and dejected because we all realized that we really needed this game to go our way. With that said, our season is not in the shitter and it’s way too early to start trashing KP, the coaches, etc.
Everyone agrees there were flashes of good football for down the line. The pistol worked well and our run game was vastly improved from last year. Defense suffered from attrition and then some. Considering all the concern regarding the depletion of our OL, they held their own to the surprise of many. All in all, we have all the right players, talent, coaching to have a really good team and a great season, reasonably of course.
IMHO, I saw lots of mental mistakes that had nothing to do with play calling or talent. It was strictly execution. UCLA has just got to get confidence and play with swagger. Seriously, penalties, dropped passes, and poor tackling is all mental mistakes. If we can get past this, seriously we are going to have one badass season. We just need to be in the right frame of mind. Stop playing desperate, stop playing to prove something, stop playing to make up for past seasons… just play. Play like you own the field, execute as though you did 10,000 times before, and stay hungry for perfection. That’s all we need.
I'm disappointed
Simply put, we beat KSU last year, we lost to them this year. Therefore Snyder has done a better job improving KSU in his second year than CRN has done improving his team in his third year.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe our coaching staff can do it (CRN and CNC), but they didn’t today and I’m disappointed. We’ve got 11 games to go, I hope I’m not disappointed often.
Gotta give KSU credit. They played a great game. It seems like they pulled out everything they’ve got to win the game. Their QB expected to suck but he pulled a Trent Difler on us and played solidly with no costly mistakes. UCLA always seems to have trouble with containing the option, wildcat, etc. We had numerous opportunities to score TDs but settled for FGs. This can be attributed to the WR and Prince having a bad game. Uncharacteristic for the WR. So if UCLA just minimize the drops and Prince being slightly better, I think we’d be alright. Hopefully the team progresses dramatically though.
tough loss but....
It feels like we beat ourselves more than we were beaten by a better team. I liked that we threw 30+ times and had no holding penalties. I thought the zone blocking opened up lanes that weren’t there last year. I liked the hurry up early in the game and the quick decision to go on 4th and short in the first half. While there is definitely room for improvement. From what I saw, there are a lot of positives to build on as we get ready for the Cardinal next week.
by PaloAltoBruin on Sep 4, 2010 8:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Some responses to some of the above
There are some good things to say about today. The primary thing is that even with a fraction of the OL personnel we might have hoped to have for this game when last season ended, our pistol offense allowed us to run the ball. This is GOOD COACHING. This is what CRN and CNC are paid to do. Some of the nonsense in the above and the game thread about offensive play calling is unbelievable. Having watched us struggle to run the ball for 2 years, the run game today looked significantly better.
What killed us today was our inability to make plays in the passing game. Two factors: receivers dropping catchable balls, and Prince looking pretty rusty (his stats would have been improved by receivers catching balls, but some of the throws and decisions were terrible). I am surprised Brehaut did not get at least a series or two. CRN showed a willingness to pull Prince last year, and by all indications Brehaut is in comparatively better shape this year. Could it have made the passing game perfect with the way the receivers were playing? No. Could it have been an improvement on a fairly below par performance from Prince? Maybe. Seemed worth a shot to me.
On a separate subject: comments on Prince not being quick enough for the pistol also seem nonsensical. Is he a dual threat QB who is as good a running option as a running back? No. Is he a decent enough runner that defenders have to account for him? Yes – and if you don’t, he can run in a touchdown. The success of the running backs would not be possible if defenders didn’t have to respect Prince’s threat to run.
Overall on our offense, the receivers and Prince were not at all in sync, but our backs, our OL and our scheme appeared to be good. I have optimism about being able to correct some of the mental errors in the passing game – if I had the option of a strong run game and poor passing performance, or a weak run game and a good passing performance, I think the first option gives much more cause for optimism in the future.
The other thing that killed us today was the untimely penalties. With the passing game struggling, there is a big difference between 2nd & 6 and 2nd & 11. Occasionally people make split second decisions that lead to avoidable-but-understandable penalties; what is upsetting are penalties like having too many men on the field (for which I blame the coaches); illegal shifts or illegal motion or any other pre-snap brainfart; and penalties for ill-discipline. Making mistakes at gamespeed under pressure is one thing – a big problem today, but we will have better days – but making stupid mistakes before or after the play is really aggravating.
Don’t know what to say about the defense, other than we missed the guys we lost from last year’s front 7 when facing this power run team; but they were good enough that we could have won today. And Bullough seems uninspired.
Overall, I was thoroughly frustrated to see us lose a game that we could easily have won, and found the failures of the passing game inexplicable. However, the invective above seems totally out of proportion. We didn’t just lose at home to Jacksonville State, we lost to a well-coached KSU team with a stud running back. Some things functioned well, some did not. Our OL exceeded expectations, our receivers fell way below expectations; Prince was off his game and could have been pulled (but maybe we are more concerned about him getting in the time before Stanford?). Schematically we looked good on offense. Our special teams were good as ever. None of that overcomes the fact that the overall performance was disappointing – but the lynch mob above are either delusional or haven’t been paying attention.
by britishbruin on Sep 4, 2010 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Honestly, I think the OL just needs some cleaning. They haven't all practice together for a while
What’s more concerning is the DL.
If the DL doesn’t improve this year, I can picture a shoot out with SC, and if we rely on a shoot out, Barkley has the better arm and aim than Prince.
From what I saw on Thursday, the secondary line for SC is weak, but if Prince doesn’t improve the throwing game this season, and we’re rely on a running game, we could face a lost.

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