Spaulding Roundup: Thoughts On "QB Drama" & Other UCLA Notes
Want to start today's roundup a little thought on our ongoing QB saga. Oh, it's still going. As you will see in the video linked below Kevin Prince took limited practices on Wednesday as he continued to rest up his "sore" shoulder. Per my understanding this is a complete separate issue from the oblique muscle strain that kept him out most of the pre-season camp. This is related to the shoulder injury he suffered against Southern Cal last season. It now appears that he feels a little sore and the coaches are being cautious with him.
The recent updates have caused a number of people to lose sleep hysterically calling for Richard Brehaut to start or get PT this Saturday. Meanwhile, given all the nagging over Brehaut naturally there has been comments about people being in "Kevin Prince" camp. Well let me offer up a personal example if I may. It was last year when Prince seemed ineffective at first upon his return from injury, and Kevin Craft despite all his heart and effort could only do so much with this limited athleticism, a number of us including yours truly was calling for Richard Brehaut.
Yet guys like Ryan and 03rdn9 suggested to trust Coach Norm Chow and Rick Neuheisel and stick with their confidence in Kevin Prince. Well when Brehaut entered the game he didn't look so prepared and Prince eventually got it together down the stretch. Ryan et al were vindicated in having faith in Chow (who was sticking with Prince), while I was more than happy to admit I was wrong about clamoring for Brehaut.
The situation is a little different this year. Brehaut has had few more reps and reportedly has looked slightly better during practices this August. While we can appreciate that everyone is feeling anxious over the daily updates on Kevin Prince, a guy like Norm Chow has earned enough stripes over his career that he (along with Rick Neuheisel) should have more than enough room to make decisions on who they will stick with at QB.
Let them hash this out over next 2-3 games as they accumulate more data points from LIVE action. If Prince rounds into shape through game action, we are going to be OK. If he doesn't get it done, then coaches can decide to go to next option and we will see how it turns out. Meanwhile, we need to put a stop to "Camp Prince" v. "Camp Brehaut" nonsense from developing here on BN. Let's leave that for message boards. Complaining over QB decisions especially when we have seasoned veterans making decisions will not get us anywhere in the end. Now some news after the jump.
As mentioned Kevin Prince saw limited action during practices yesterday. Here were CRN's words following practices:
Gold had this notes on his Inside UCLA blog:
* From my vantage point, Wednesday's practice lacked the intensity needed to prepare for a conference opponent, particularly one ranked in the top-25.
* Kevin Prince threw early and threw well, but again was on a "pitch count." Neuheisel was adamant that it was precautionary, and that Prince is the starter for Saturday, barring anything drastic. Prince banged his shoulder in the game, and again in practice on Tuesday, and has the usual post-game soreness. From Prince and Neuheisel, the oblique is not an issue any more.
* A couple of Prince observations: Looked better on screen passes - for some reason, a plague for him - and had a couple of nice deep balls. Also underthrew a couple of routes.
I do find the note about practice "lacking intensity" a little disconcerting. I have gotten to appreciate Gold's reporting a lot in recent weeks, however, I didn't see any other corroboration from reliable sources on that point. Guess we will find the results ultimately on Saturday. Ultimately it will be on CRN and his staff to get our guys focused and fired up for this Saturday's huge game.
Elsewhere, Blair Angulo from ESPNLA talked to UCLA CBs - Aaron Hester and Sheldon Prince - about taking on Andrew Luck:
Passing yardage wise those guys had a good game last weekend. However, those numbers are deceptive because ... well ... KSU didn't need to pass much against Chuck Bullough's defense.
Speaking of the defense Chris Foster suggests that Keenan Graham might see more action this weekend:
Defensive end Keenan Graham saw some playing time with the first-team defense during practice Wednesday, in place of Damien Holmes.
Graham, a redshirt freshman, was in on one tackle in limited action against Kansas State, but he is expected to get more of a chance this week.
"It had been a long time since I had been in a game," Graham said. "To get back out there some and remember what it was like will make it easier for me to play more this week."
Hope he does get that chance. I was disappointed a little with what I saw from Damien Holmes. If guys are not stepping up, I sure hope the coaches don't hesitate to go to next players in line. If this means more reps for Graham, Owa or other youngsters, perhaps that will light a fire in terms pressure on all of the defense. Everyone needs to go out here and compete with their playing times on the line. Just didn't see enough of that fire from our defensive guys during second half of this past weekend's game. Hopefully it will not become a trend this Saturday.
I am sure we are going to be discussing all of these issues and some more in today's special podcast on BN. Don't forget Brandon Huffman from BruinReportOnline.com will be joining Ryan and 03rdn9 to discuss the state of UCLA football and the Pac-10 landscape in general. I will be on a plane out West but I am going to be very curious to hear Brandon's thoughts on recent blockbuster recruiting developments and the state of our program. Tune in at 12 pm PST.
GO BRUINS.
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I agree 100%
on our qb (non) issue. Time will tell but after one game people are going crazy, its pathetic.
Bruin for life!!!!
You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden
i was thinking it would have been ironic if he had played against Stanford last week.
A bruin is good forever, a Trojan is only good... ahh eff it, just use tin foil
injuries and playing time
i think prince has the potential to be a pretty good qb in the pac-10. but, with all his injuries it will be nearly impossible for our offense to be consistent enough to reach it’s full potential. no doubt prince is a gamer … i just wonder if he can stay healthy during the season.
hope the coaches are seriously considering giving smith & jones more playing time and touches. while i like franklin in the backfield i think jones has the potential to bring back memories of hicks & foster … a back that can break tackles. using embree to fair catch punts was “safe” but the choice hints at “playing not to lose”. it’s obvious smith has the potential to break a game open … get him more touches!
jus my $0.02
Agree 100% on Smith and Jones
I’ve re-watched the KSU game twice and the one thing I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that Smith and Jones have the potential to be electrifying in a way that no Bruin (on that side of the ball) has been since MJD. I loved Terrence Austin as much as the next guy but in terms of big play potential he was no DeSean Jackson or Ted Ginn or Percy Harvin or Dez Bryant or… UCLA deserves to have those kinds of guys and I think Josh Smith could be that guy in the receiving core this year. As for Jones, yes it was only three carries but damn if two of those three weren’t real nice.
i agree
I believe Brehaut and Prince situation is a concern. The coaches need to pick a guy and stick them by atleast the Texas game. QB by comitee never works I rather have one guy in then them rotate starts. To me a bigger issuse is getting Smith and Jones out there so they can make an impact I would also like to see carroll and fauria more. The offense has so much talent I just want to see it utlize more.
I was in "Camp Brehaut"
up until the first snap of the game. I saw Prince and that was it, I was in “Camp Prince” then. All I mean by that is that CRN and CNC are going to try to give us the best chance to win and whatever they choose we should back them (and whatever qb they choose) 100%.
Just curious, what shoulder is that?
Showing Stanford different looks
It would be nice if Bullough actually did that, but I’m not holding my breath.
I agree
I wonder if we served vanilla for pre-season because we are saving the fancy stuff, like Chunky Monkey, for the conference games.
sjh
exactly
we are lulling Stanford into thinking they can run the ball on us with impunity… but can you do a fanpost detailing this Chunky Monkey formation of which you speak? “Chunky” sounds like some sort of zone responsibilities for chunks of the field… what does the Monkey do?
by britishbruin on Sep 9, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
CRN and the Press
It is so refreshing to have a thoughtful, articulate, sincere coach representing us in the press.
CRN is honest and direct about what we do wrong — without throwing people under the bus.
There’s none of the “work in progress” or “turning the corner” BS.
He wants to win.
And, that’s why I am solidly with N. and others in the let the coaches do their job camp.
sjh
THE TRUTH BE TOLD
Re: CRN and the Quarterback Situation….This is It Kids…Football is Not a Populatrity Contest, but a Tactical Endevour, Therefore when Kevin Prince was throwing short or long or over the recievers CRN and NC should take that as Fact and Swith QB’s just to see if that would help…I was Dumbstruck that Brehaut was NOT in starting the 2nd Half. It makes No sense to stick wtih the Field General when he is Not Up to the Task at Hand. This is a Game to be won and we certainly could have Won had some minor adjustments been implemented. Football is a Fluid Game you Must make Adjustments as the Game Progresses otherwise you Will Loose. This is Not a Popularity Contest but a Game to Be Won and Not Frittered Away Like the KSU Game was! You Play to Win or Don’t Play At ALL!
Wrong
How do you know Brehaut would have performed better? How do you know Prince wouldn’t have turned it around?
As you said, football isn’t a popularity contest, and CRN and CNC aren’t making decisions to be popular, they’re making decisions to win.
Really? Some “minor adjustments” was all it would have taken to win on Saturday? Well shoot…I vote for Neuheisel to be fired and you to coach our team! Gosh diggity darn, if only they had known that all it would take were some minor adjustments!
And your last sentence shows that you have learned nothing from John Wooden.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Why Are you Typing like This?
It Doesn’t make any Frickin sense, and Is Really Annoying. I Look forward To Your response To Tasser10 where you type like A Normal person.
The formatting of that post is so weird
I actually tried to make words using just the capitalized letters or find some sort of meaning. Also, when the subject of any comment feels the need to tell us that what we will be hearing is the truth, it rarely ever is.
I don't even know
why I bother replying to dumb ass comments like this. I would take a crap on them if I could, but that would only soil my monitor…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Please forgive the imagery
The comments this year are somehow ten times more annoying than during the CTS era. And my language has suffered for it…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I really agree with you on the nature of the comments
some times, I just stay away.
All the time, I try not to get sucked into making a rational response to an irrational post; but I don’t always win.
We have lost some very solid contributors. I guess that’s natural. But, I wonder if some people have just been so annoyed they bailed.
Of course, over the past year or so, a lot of great people have been posting.
But, there still is a difference and I support your comment.
sjh
awesome way to make a first comment on BN
looking forward to the sequels. Do you have any minor adjustments for the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan that you could share with Obama et al? I am worried he may be frittering them away.
by britishbruin on Sep 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
on qb saga
At the time, I thought it was surprising Brehaut didn’t get in the game at all on Saturday, partly because of Prince’s struggles, partly because they have lifted Prince for Brehaut before, and partly because CRN had said in advance that he would. (ok I guess, the moral is that telling untruths to the media and, by extension, the fanbase can be justified as gamesmanship; I think there’s a difference between being cagey and saying something that is a bald-faced lie, but that’s just me)
Looking back at it, it may be that he has learned a lesson. 2 years ago, Kevin Craft had an abysmal first half against Tennessee, threw multiple picks and put us in a huge hole; CRN stuck with him, built him up and he came back to lead us to victory. Last season, with Prince struggling, CRN tried to get Brehaut into the game (against CNC’s opinion, IIRC), and it blew up in his face.
Additionally, there are another couple of things in the KSU game – 1) parts of the offense were working fine, it is the QB’s job to manage the run game, change plays if necessary, etc, and our offense looked fine apart from failures to connect on pass plays [and, for all the talk about Brehaut’s passes in the scrimmage, that is only part of the QBs job]
2) when would you really lift Prince in that game? We were up at the half, and with the receivers having been equally culpable. We didn’t need to come out at the start of the second half launching bombs, we needed to play solid defense and keep managing a game that we were winning despite misfires in the passing game. Also, with the heavy KSU reliance on the running game, the game gets shorter, and you don’t have the same luxury of putting someone else in for a couple of series as an experiment.
And, as other people have alluded to, the decision to stick with Prince may have been with one eye to the Stanford game. With Prince as QB, the game on Saturday was perfectly winnable if a) Prince had improved b) the receivers had caught everything that came their way c) the defense had had more of an answer to KSU’s ground game.
I’m in Team UCLA; I don’t care who plays QB. I don’t see how anyone can passionately be in Team Prince or Team Brehaut based on what we have seen from both last year and this. If we had won Saturday there wouldn’t be this consternation, and if we beat Stanford on Saturday a lot of it will evaporate. Go Bruins.
Good point
wrt the KSU run “shortening” the game. It really did, we didn’t have enough TOP to experiment or give some guys a chance. That’s why all this week there have been cries for more opportunities for just about every offensive skill position player, there weren’t enough plays to go around, at all.
We have to go with who practiced better
This is not a “trust the coaches” post. The problem is, I’m not at practice, I’m not watching film of practice, so I don’t feel I have the information to judge this. The coaches do. I don’t know if they’re making the right decision, because coaches, just like anyone else, can make mistakes, can have favorites, can and likely do have cognitive biases. I just don’t have the information to make such a judgment. If anyone has been to a lot of practices, that information would be welcome.
Interesting: So many people willing to
micro manage the O.
Do you have some “minor adjustments” for the D, too?
Al this focus on QB takes focus away from the fact that it was a team loss.
sjh
Not me -- I have confidence in this team and staff
We have better talent and better coaching (with one possible exception on the D side where I think what we have is a push with Walker).
One other point: for the most part, these are CRN’s players. But, the starters, now, are the people he was able to recruit into a dismal program. I think the recruits are getting better — and we will get much better in the years to come. As good as Prince is, and as heavily recruited as Brehaut may have been, it appears that Hundley is a recruiting upgrade. Same for Jones.
So, it’s not fair for people to lose patience with the current staff. I see progress and more to come.
Brit, this isn’t aimed at you. I started a short response and got carried away. Left it nested under yours.
We are playing a tough schedule against teams that are also improving. We will win our share of games.
sjh
it's all good, 66
and I agree with you on the team, the coaching and the optimism. Every loss in football is a team loss; but the game last weekend was a team loss in which some units performed better than others, in which the performance of some units have a greater influence on a game, in which some units have more or less capable alternative options, and in which some the starters in some units were coming into the game with more rust than others due to interrupted preseasons. Hence some of the subsequent discussion around some units (e.g. QB, Special Teams Return Game) and less about other units (OL, Special Teams Kicking Game). But if every single player had played 10% better, we probably win the game.
by britishbruin on Sep 9, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
not a minor adjustment
but I’ll bite. When I rewatching parts of the game in slow mo, I noticed that pretty much the entire front 7 were constantly misreading the Oline’s first step, causing them to get out of position. For example, there would be downblock steps in front of Larimore which indicated where the ball was going to go, but Larimore was trying to read the handoff so he stepped opposite of the direction of the play and ran himself out of it. I’m not picking on him… it was happening to everyone. I lost track of how many times guys allowed themselves to get reached on, etc. It wasn’t that were getting manhandled and over powered… they were just going the wrong way to start and it was causing them to lose their gap etc.
Pretty much the only way to address that is reps. Reading an offensive lineman’s first steps takes lots of practice to get it to be instinctive. I think the sooner they get that down, the sooner we have a dominant defense.
I Would Have Liked To See Brehaut Play
The major concern I have with the current state of affairs is that Prince has shown that he is a bit of an injury risk and we are now playing in an offense that is going to require him to take some hits. I would really prefer that Brehaut is getting some time in live situations. That way if (when) Prince gets hurt again and can’t go, Brehaut already will have some more live snaps under his belt and will be more prepared to take over the offense for an extended period of time. Note, I’m not calling for Brehaut to replace Prince as the starter, but giving him a single series early in a game will really help with his development and give us all (including the coaching staff) a better idea of where he stands at the moment.
I think this is a good point.
and you might even think about Brehaut getting snaps just to reduce the amount of hits Prince takes.
by britishbruin on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem with that idea is that dual QB systems do not work.
QB decisions divide the team as much as the fanbase. Imagine a locker room bickering over who should be playing and when. It happens.
If you are talking about playing the backup a series or two to get reps, fine. But you don’t do that in a highly contested game when the outcome is in question. If you do, then you are telling the team that the backup has just as good of a chance to win the game, which will in turn lead to the team questioning the QB when times get tough. Trust me, the QB is not a replaceable part.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 9, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
dual systems can work
if roles and expectations are clearly defined, e.g. Florida’s national championship when Tebow was a freshman playing exclusively short yardage situations.
Tebow was used for the goal line package.
That was not a dual system. That is like saying UCLA had a dual QB system last year with Knox because we ran the Wildcat package. If some sort of package is designed for Brehaut to come in because it fits his skillset and not KP’s, fine. I don’t know what package that would be, but that is not the point I was making.
I’m not trying to split hairs because it seems we both agree- you can’t yo-yo QB’s. I don’t think there was a time during the K-State game where subbing Brehaut in would have been anything but yo-yo’ing.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
right
hence ‘roles and expectations are clearly defined’.
This is most easily done with ‘here is a package we want to try’; I wonder whether you could also make it work with “regardless of the score at half time, Brehaut is going to get the first series of the 3rd quarter” or something, giving Prince the chance to watch the first offensive series of the second half, pick up on any half-time defensive adjustments and then get out there and play.
Clearly having a situation where you are yo-yoing QBs is more disruptive than it is worth; but having a particular substitution strategy in mind beforehand (rather than panicking and switching) might be a viable option. Might. Just a thought.
I think that getting the backup reps for the sake of getting him reps is different than putting the backup in for a tactical reason. In Tebow’s case, the tactical reason was that FLA ran shotgun and they needed a goal line package. In this case, I don’t think see any similar advantage.
What would the reason be for putting Brehaut in? If it is to get him reps in case KP goes down, fine. You do that when the game is in hand, not in the middle of a tight road game. If it a package because Brehaut has some sort of skillset that KP doesn’t, fine. I don’t know what that skillset is, but maybe there is one. If it is to groom him to be the starter, there is a problem considering Brehaut and KP are the same year.
I understand your point, and I do think it would be a good idea to get Brehaut some live action. I just don’t think last Saturday would have been a good idea. Hopefully this Saturday will be a good time to get the backup some reps. :)
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 9, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We have done long posts
on how 2 QB platoon system never really works. They were done around 05/06. You can look them up.
not a fan of...
Burning RB redshirt if we don’t have to.
Bruin for life!!!!
You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden
Right now, I am feeling that way, too.
But, are either Bell or Crissman sufficiently prepared to step in if needed?
sjh
That's what cupcakes are for
Bruin JD,
While you bring up an excellent point. The fact that we were in a dogfight with an evenly matched opponent right from the beginning meant that coaches are going to play the players they trust for longer periods in the game. And for a position of crucial importance like QB, any real coach would never change a qb who hasn’t completely blown it, and still has a chance to pull off the W as there’s just too much at stake in that moment.
Last weekend, we all saw numerous big time programs (mostly SEC, ACC, and Big East teams) playing cupcakes, securing an early blowout, and getting there backup players (qb’s too) some reps in live action.
But we don’t have that luxury as Bruins b/c we’ll play anybody anywhere and our schedule shows it. We play competitive teams 11 out of 12 games a year (the exception being Wazzu and we can’t control that). So I just don’t see many instances for us to get a backup qb some time this year unless Prince is too injured to play.
This year CRN gets to make up for last year’s blunder of wasting Brehaut’s redshirt season.
Bruins are forever but Trojans are good only once.
Kansas State would have been a "cupcake"
if Snyder hadn’t come back. When the game was originally schedule, KSU was in a downward spiral. Likewise, Houston wasn’t really scaring anyone when they got on our schedule, then Keenum came and lit it up. We got rather unlucky with those two, hopefully the Houston game will work out better for us.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
K-State
should be a ‘cupcake’, even regardless of what Snyder is doing with the team. They’re a mid-tier Big 12 team at best.
Kudos to them for playing a great game on Saturday, but it’s a bitter pill to swallow to understand that right now, Kansas State is a better football team than UCLA. It shouldn’t be that way.
It "should be" a cupcake?
I’m not sure what that means. I guarantee you that Kansas State is not going to be anyone’s cupcake as long as Snyder is there. And I am ready to bet you that they will contend for the Big 12 north this year. You either don’t know or have forgotten how good that program was, and how tough it is to win games in Manhattan.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Both options aren't great.
Look, right now after one game both QB options we have are not ideal. RB has no real game experience, who knows how he would have played in Prince’s place. It could have been far worse. At least with Prince we were still in the game and hopefully can build onto next week. He is still the stronger choice until we see more from him in the next few weeks.
That being said, the kid so far is “fragile”. Seems to get injured often during his career. At the moment he is healthy enought to play, lets see what he can do. If he keeps getting hurt, can’t practice, looks horrible on the field next few weeks, then yes true discussions about him being replaced can be made. Right now the coaches believe in him as the best choice. Lets back him up and hopefully win a few games to make all this moot point.
GO BRUINS! (Is it saturday yet?)
CRN has the correct perspective.
The team was not far off from winning at KSU. A few more first downs is really all it would have taken, IMO. Those first downs would have extended drives, led to some more points, but more importantly, kept KSU and their running game off the field.
Given the final score, it is easy to forget that the game was nearly tied with under two minutes to play. Had the 2 point conversion play been successful, we might all be singing a different tune.
I’m not buying the injury prone argument. KP suffered a freak broken jaw against Tennessee, which could have happened to anyone. He suffered a shoulder injury when he was tackled awkwardly against USC, which could have happened to anyone. He suffered a right knee injury in high school, which is common. The oblique strain/muscle tear during this summer is the only injury that wasn’t an ordinary football injury.
That said, I’m a firm believer that practice reps are irreplaceable, but only the staff really knows how the chemistry of the team is. The staff makes the call regarding who will put the team in the best position to win. I am not ready to second guess CRN and Co. at this point, and I trust him to play the players most likely to succeed.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
If I may
try to take a stab at this from a somewhat different angle, I’m not necessarily certain this is all about “Camp Brehaut” v. “Camp Prince”. I’m certainly not advocating that Brehaut start because of Prince’s one poor outing this year.
However, I think what is troubling a lot of individuals is the cotinued ‘nagging’ injuries that Prince appears to do with on an almost weekly basis. These ‘nagging’ injuries limit his practice time, and then when he gets to a game, he performs poorly as a result of the lack of practice. From there, the excuse becomes “Well, it was because he was dealing with an injury during the week.”
At some point, if he’s dealing with an injury every week, that has to start becoming part of the calculation of an objective review of his performance. Yes, Prince looked good during last season in the three weeks where he was fully recovered and didn’t have a nagging injury. However, it is beginning to look like that period of time in which he was perfectly healthy was an aberration, and not what we should ‘normally’ expect out of Prince. At some point, the coaches need to take this in to consideration.
Now, I’m certainly not advocating that we replace Prince with Brehaut, but I certainly hope the coaches consider adjusting their approach to the QB position if Prince is hurt or dealing with ‘nagging’ injuries again for the bulk of this season.
I’m not questioning Prince’s ability to perform when fully healthy, but at some point his inability to remain healthy on a week-to-week basis has to become a calculation in any QB competition.
Well
Jason I respect your take a lot. But this:
[B]ut at some point his inability to remain healthy on a week-to-week basis has to become a calculation in any QB competition.
That’s precisely the point. It’s kind of pointless to discuss this now given we only have 1 week of datapoints from actual game time this season. We can actually reflect this in a smart way in about 2 or 3 more games.
Completely agree
It’s silly to talk about replacing Prince now. If he’s still hurt in three of four weeks, well then maybe it’s start to think seriously about our plans at the QB position.
But it’s too early to freak out just yet, though I kinda’ understand the grubmling on some level, because I’m sure there’s a level of “Oh great, here we go again” WRT Prince’s ‘nagging’ injuries.
That's a good point
Given the plight of our football program in last decade I do understand “Oh great, here we go again.” Such is the psyche with what I consider is the Red Sox (pre 2004) of College Football.
Call me unimpressed
I admire Kevin Prince’s grit and determination and, yes, his leadership skills, but those do not necessarily a quarterback make.
Prince was injured three separate times last year missing a substantial portion of the season. In the background, let us not forget he missed his entire senior season in high school due to a knee injury.
Before this year’s “fall” camp he had an oblique muscle injury that caused him to miss 90% of practice. Now, after the KSU game, he is nursing a separate recurrence of his shoulder injury from last year limiting his practice, again, for the second game of the season with Stanford.
His actual performance his first year was inconsistent at best, fumble prone and interception prone at worst. With the exception of a great throw to the tight end in Tennessee and some long throws downfield in the fourth quarter at Oregon State, he did not play like a major college D1 quarterback, especially against Oregon and SUC.
His first game this year he played poorly with the exception of two throws in the desperate, second half, two minute offense. Dropped passes and his “rustiness” were mitigating factors, but his performance overall was about as typical as the one in our bowl game against Temple. Nothing to write home about. There certainly is no reason to believe that if “Prince rounds into shape” our offense will be fine. His best has been none too good.
Now we have a new offense, the Pistol or Revolver. Ideally, it requires a quarterback who is fleet of foot, a two-way threat, and certainly one who is not injury prone. Prince is neither. Brehaut isn’t either, but he might make better decisions in it. Who knows? Bell might be the best for it but we’ll never know if he’s never given a chance either.
Prudence would have called for the coaches to have developed a reliable backup for Prince last year. They did not. This is my biggest gripe with the offensive Coaches’ strategy last year. Not that Brehaut should have started, but that he should have been given some game time experience to develop as quickly as possible.
Yes, he was bad when he was in there, but how much practice time did he really get as the number three and how many real opportunities did he have to prove himself? Damn few. This latest camp, however, he took roughly 75% of the snaps in the three week camp before the season started. By all accounts he played well, if not spectacularly. He at least seemed to be in rhythm with the his receivers according to most posts.
Under these circumstances, to suggest that Brehaut should get playing time now, or that Prince should have a quicker hook if he starts poorly again versus Stanford, is not “hysterical.” It is practical and reasonable. On the other hand, to continually call for blind faith in CRN and NC to stick with Prince until we have more “data,” is a little lame at his point.
As for CRN and NC, who have all the credentials and experience, IMO, neither one has shown particularly smart play calling or game adjustments in the first two years. They certainly did not do it against KSU, our first game, where their “pass first” philosophy on the back of a “rusty” quarterback and their abandonment of the running game on a day their offensive line actually moved the pile consistently, played into the hands of Bill Snyder’s ball control offense.
If KP was Cade McNown, Drew Olson in his senior year or even Wayne Cook, that would be one thing. So far he is an unproven, injury prone second year quarterback who we would love to see dramatically improve by looking off his primary receiver, following his progression and avoiding drive-killing interceptions and fumbles.
That day has yet come. Until it does, it makes sense to give others a chance if he, as usual, is misfiring.
Calling people like me trolls or whiners or whatever does not change the fundamentals. UCLA and these coaches will live or die with how they handle their quarterbacks. So far, if you’re going to call me anything, call me unimpressed.
GO BRUINS!
A few points of disagreement
Prudence would have called for the coaches to have developed a reliable backup for Prince last year.
I think it would be nearly impossible to develop your starter and a backup at the same time. Make no mistake, last year we were developing a starting QB, we did not have one. Could RB have played and developed more while Prince was sidelined with injures? Yes, but the coaches were playing to win, as evidenced by playing Craft, and we were comptetitive in nearly every loss last year, so I don’t fault them for not throwing RB into the fire more than he was in the name of development for the future.
As for CRN and NC, who have all the credentials and experience, IMO, neither one has shown particularly smart play calling or game adjustments in the first two years.
The coaching staff has been hamstrung by roster issues. OL has had to be rebuilt and Craft, followed by 1st year starting Prince certainly hampered some playcalling the coaches may have wanted to do. If you are also referring to defensive play calling here, I think many would agree with you.
His actual performance his first year was inconsistent at best, fumble prone and interception prone at worst.
I don’t think “inconsistent at best” is a fair description. At best, I’d say he showed flashes of being an upper tier Pac-10 quality QB, looking at the season as a whole, yes he was inconsistent, for a multitude of reasons. To infer that he can not be better than he was last year (he was a rs freshman starter with no running game to support the pass!) is just absurd. I’m pretty sure his best is yet to come.
Ideally, it requires a quarterback who is fleet of foot, a two-way threat, and certainly one who is not injury prone. Prince is neither.
Question for you, do you believe his reported 4.5-4.6 40 times? I think he has the speed to make the Pistol effective. He is quick enough to take off for a sideline and 1st down, or the endzone, to present a running threat to opposing defenses. Of course he isn’t a running back or a jeremiah masoli, but I don’t think you need the explosiveness or change of direction capabilities of a RB to play QB in this offense.
His health definitely is a cause for concern, but this week with reports of his shoulder bothering him again is the first time that anything could qualify as a persistent or recurring injury. I think he’s been unlucky, but I don’t think he’s made of glass. All of this being said, if the coaches decided that Brehaut gave us the best chance to win come this, or any Saturday, I’ll be fully supportive of that. We’ll know soon enough.
Thanks for the objective criticism.
If the coaches were just a little less heavy on Craft, RB could have had substantially more game experience without seriously affecting our record, but that was last year. But at KSU, with a poorly playing KP, they repeated the same theme eve when RB had the vast majority of camp reps. Does that make sense?
Talent was an issue, of course, but the play calling has nevertheless been strangely conservative, not to lose, yet pass happy and run avoidant in four down territory. Or so it seems to me.
KP has been inconsistent. I hope he lives up to NC’s Heisman aspirations. He could if it “clicks” for him, but until he does I’d
like the coaches to be more flexible. Maybe it will click for someone else.
KP seems fast enough, but his decision making on the option in the Pistol seemed mistaken. Then again, maybe KSU was forcing him to run. But we just don’t know if RB or even Bell could be better at this point. Bell is a reach now, but if the other two can’t do it, he certainly deserves some chances, too.
Let’s hope that KP does great starting with Stanford. We all want the same thing, right? Once the Coaches get the QB play right, I think we can have a great offense.
GO BRUINS!
check out the video of CRN —> the phrase that CRN utters at 5:10 made me cringe a little bit.
brought back really bad flash backs of a certain Karl Dorrell press conference.
Context Is Everything
The “It is what it is” was in reference to Stanford not having to open up much of their offense last week, thereby, depriving us of a chance to scout them effectively.
CTS used the phrase about our team, his failings, its failings — and as an excuse to explain why he was sleeping well. It was an expression of what many perceived to be complacency.
It is absolutely unfair to lump CRN with CTS just because he used the same phrase although in a very different context.
CRN is not complacent. Far from it. He is driven and it shows in every aspect of this program, not the least of which is his drive to bring top talent to our campus.
There is absolutely no comparison between the two as coaches. They share a strong bond as friends and Bruins. But, they are not comparable as head coaches.
sjh
its disappointing
that after three years in the program CRN & CNC haven’t been able to get KP to turn the corner in his development. i look at programs like SMU & Hawaii and wonder how they can get their QBs to look so good at this level.
i love CRN and hope hes around for the next 20 years but i just cant understand why the QB position has been so problematic for us. I know injury’s have something to do with it but its still very disappointing.
lets hope we can get it together and deliver a good whoop-in Saturday night!!!! Go Bruins…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Uhh...
Game 1 in his second season, after not playing a full season…and you’ve already given up on KP’s development? Come on now. Honestly, the back-to-back Olson and Cowan injuries did terrible things to this program. QBs were thrown in the fire when they should have been learning as backups. The OL issues compounded that exponentially.
If I’m not mistaken, the Hawaii QB is a transfer, so he has experience. We’re in year 3 of a digging out of a 3-year hole created by CTS. Let’s be patient.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
And, Prince didn't play his last year of high school, either
I think he is making demonstrable progress in many ways.
He is clearly stronger and faster. I hope that translates into more durable and elusive — but in this game there will always be freak injuries.
Perhaps, most important, he’s been a very strong leader since the end of last season. He’s been demanding excellence from himself and others. From the interviews this summer, his team mates have a lot of respect for and confidence in him.
He would not be playing if CRN and CNC did not have the same amount of confidence in him.
He is way too young to give up on.
sjh
uhh...
where in my post did i say i was giving up on him? i said i was disappointed in his development! he had a whole year as a red shirt to learn the game at the college level and played a lot last year so i don’t think its asking too much to see some marked improvement.
i hope the kid has a great year! I’m a Bruin and wish him nothing but the best but i am disappointed that the coaching staff hasn’t done a better job at the position. i know injury’s have really hurt us but that’s part of the game.
And the Hawaii quarterback played at a city college then sat out a year delivering pizzas before enrolling at Hawaii. when i took a picture of KP with my kids at the spring game i told him i thought he all the makings to be a great player and i still believe that – now he has to make it happen starting Saturday.
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

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