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Monday UCLA Basketball Roundup: Recruiting Past and Present

UCLA lost to USC in a game that was pretty upsetting to us old-timers.  However, there may have been an interesting victory at that game for the future.  One of the recruiting visits for SUC that game was Shabazz Muhammad, who is rated 5 stars in Rivals. and by ESPN he is ranked number 4 overall and number 1 at his position at 98 and 5 stars.   Why is it good?  He is not only no longer considering USC but UCLA is on his very short list. 

Don't take our word for it, check out the UK site:


"UCLA, Kentucky, and Duke" sit at the top of Muhammad's list right now.

When asked about who was recruiting him the hardest, he had this to say:

"Probably UCLA. They stay in contact the most. But Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina are recruiting me hard, too.

So does this mean UCLA is the top team for Shabazz right now?

"Oh no, that does not mean it at all. It's hard to pick a top team. UCLA, Kentucky, and Duke are all right there."

Getting Shabazz would be amazing.  Scout.com describes him as follows (note he is a Class of 2012) prospect:

Very talented lefty with versatile game. Can score in a variety of ways and a very good athlete. Potential elite prospect in the class of 2011.

Long and short, Shabazz would be the best recruit UCLA has signed since Kevin Love.  More recruiting news after the jump.

Star-divide

When you look at UCLA's class for next year, right now, you'll only see Norman Powell listed, but in reality that list should also include the Wear twins.  While I don't think the Wear twins are saviors by any stretch, they will be older and a bit more experienced players.  I think that will help make a difference.  Speaking of not being saviors but being good potential players, here is a more recent ESPN review on Powell. 

UCLA signee 6-4 Norman Powell (San Diego, Calif./Lincoln) is still quite raw as an offensive player, but he doesn't need much space to get to the rim and his explosiveness is second to none on the west coast.

While I was watching him jump multiple people in a fun dunk drill, I may have been guilty of too much hyperbole.  The kid looks really good and not quite raw as the ESPN site says above but it is unfair to compare him to Russell Westbrook.  As Jon Gold writes:

In terms of his game, I can see a slight comparison [to former Bruin Russell Westbrook], but not really in terms of the point guard skills that Westbrook developed and honed. I'll tell you, though, I had a long conversation with a UCLA admin yesterday about Westbrook, and I really didn't realize the work he put in between freshman and sophomore year. He was in the gym every day working against college and NBA players, and apparently, Howland would call to check in, ask who was playing well, and they'd say, "Russell is the best one here." Howland would say, "Oh, of our guys? Good, we need him," and they'd respond, "No, the best one here, period. Better than the NBA guys." So before you place those unreal expectations on Powell, let's see him develop those work habits.

Which brings us to the next point.   It has been written over and over how the ML, Jermine Anderson, Jrue Holiday, Drew Gordon, and Bobo Morgan class killed UCLA.  Well, mistakes were made but it is unfair to hang it on those players still here. 

As I said yesterday, Malcolm Lee was the player for the Oregon weekend and interestingly, Malcolm is a strong candidate for first team all defense in the Pac-10.  Malcolm has held Jared Cunningham to his lowest point total for the season and forced BYU star Jimmer Fredette into his most TOs this year to name just two quick statistical examples.  If you watch ML chase around players on defense you will understand why he may be a bit tired on the offensive end most of these games. 

And if people talk about Malcolm going pro is that his fault?  Malcolm likely will be staying his senior year and for the record he has said:

Lee, who is averaging 12.8 points, said he has not pondered anything beyond helping the Bruins reach the NCAA tournament.

That is a perfect answer, shoot the kid is also doing well academically.  Last year Lee stepped up into the PG role and this year he has been the defensive stopper.  He has done all that can be reasonably asked of him.

Which brings me to the other PG of that class Jerime Anderson.  I for one have not been a fan of Anderson.  Last year he was benched for missing rehab sessions, had other issues and did not try on D.  He had his share of bonehead moments which have been documented here. 

But give Anderson credit.  He has worked hard and not given up.  While he has been up and down a bit this year, he IS UCLA's bench scoring (counting Josh Smith as a starter and Lane as a bench player for this purpose).  Anderson has scored 34 of UCLA's 51 bench points in Pac-10 play.  Two-thirds of our bench points are from Anderson.  There is a decent argument that our best team on the floor for smaller teams may include Anderson at the 2 guard. At a minimum Anderson deserves credit for burning teams like U$C and Oregon who play off him and pack it in on Smith and Nelson.

So while I am hopefully for recruiting Shabazz and excited to see Powell and the Wears next year, I think we are learning it is too early to give up on the class of 2008. 

Go Bruins.

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Tough competition

Duke will be loaded again next year and very attractive to a top recruit, though Kentucky must be of interest to Shabazz only if he intends to be a one-and-done, the Calipari specialty.

It’s not clear here what position he plays. The KY website also quotes him as saying he likes the Calipari dribble-drive offense. Hmm. And that he’s on TV tonight against St. Patrick’s of NJ.

by Herodotus on Jan 17, 2011 6:37 AM PST reply actions  

Good Point

We have closeness to Vegas and UCLA to offer. It will be tough.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Scout lists him as

a SF/SG. Sure would be great to get a PG, but if there’s a 2/3 players that’s five stars, a team player, and wants to be here, it would be hard to say no. By the time he’s a freshman Zeke, Anderson, and Lee will all be gone (if not Lee sooner), so we’ll have space.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Duke may be too loaded for a recruit of this caliber.

If Kyrie Irving returns for a second season they will have Austin Rivers at the #2. Add in Dawkins and Curry and the playing time may not be want he wants. But at the end of the day it is still Duke and Coach K. Hard for a recruit not to take notice. He has dwindled his list down to the Blue Bloods programs for sure.

by 84 on Jan 17, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he was a 2 guard. Someone below mentioned that.

And no question Duke would make room for him. Hopefully that won’t be necessary.

by 84 on Jan 17, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a wing player

so technically could play either, but his skills would be best served at the 3 where he could be a dynamite scorer.

by OswegoBruin on Jan 18, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't this supposed to be Coach K's

last year…didn’t he make that announcement recently? And wouldn’t that adversely affect Duke’s recruiting..?

by daggy on Jan 18, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

it's too bad we don't cheat.

We could have Russell Westbrook, Darren Collison, Jordan Farmar, just to name a few call him and persuade him this is the best school for him. Then again, we do have Tyus Edney on staff, he knows a thing or two about playing the point.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jan 17, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

I wish he were a PG...

Shabazz is listed as a 2 guard. At 6’5 and 195, he’d be a big PG if CBH has aspirations of converting the lefty. Either way, he’d be an amazing get for us.

Shabazz also has a teammate, Rosco Allen (6’7, 190) who has UCLA on his short list along with UNLV and both AZ schools. Allen isn’t garnering quite as much national attention Shabazz is, but he looks very solid at the 3 with lots of upside.

Below is an article about Allen from an Arizona paper that compares him to Nowitzki and mentions both Shabazz and CBH.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildaboutazcats/tag/shabazz-muhamad/

by DoubleTroubleBruin on Jan 17, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

From the article

"The game is a little bit different there in Europe," Daniel Allen told me. "It’s a little more physical…"

Huh?

Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.

by bruin8uclap on Jan 17, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...

…anything is more physical than AAU, no-defense, all-flash, zero-substance, bullshit-ball.

by Bellerophon on Jan 17, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Even Euro-ball?

Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.

by bruin8uclap on Jan 17, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Drago-ball different from Euro-ball

Part of the reason Team USA has been having problems smashing opponents is the physicality a lot of the good European players have developed. Hand-checking is much more acceptable than in the NBA and college. Greece was absolutely rugged.

by yarrrp on Jan 18, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes

Greece also played a zone which for the individual minded and isolation based offense of Team USA was a death sentence.

Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.

by bruin8uclap on Jan 18, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

disagree with the last point

The class of with Jrue Holiday, ML, JA, and Bobo really hurt UCLA basketball. Jrue Holiday is probably the single biggest reason for the situation we find ourselves in. Had he not used UCLA has a stepping stone we probably wouldn’t be struggling right now. Of course JA and ML are also to blame with their lackluster effort and Bobo wasted our time, Jrue Holiday takes the cake as he was supposed to be the foundation for everything else.

by Big Bully on Jan 17, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

disagree

While I wish Jrue Holiday would have been a little more up front about his intentions, I don’t see his jump as the single biggest factor to the recent decline of this team. In fact, I don’t even see him as the primary personnel problem. That distinction goes to Drew Gordon in my book for turning the entire team against itself in practices and tearing apart any cohesiveness of this team. True, we didn’t have a great (or arguably even decent) PG last year. But teams can survive without a true PG. They can’t survive without a team mentality, and that was what Drew Gordon (and admittedly others) heavily contributed to breaking down.

by BruinMW on Jan 17, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree with both statements

Our current state of affairs is due to a combination of factors (poor recruiting/evaluation, one and dones, losing assistant coaches, poor chemistry, lack of strong on-court leadership, etc.). To pin this on any one player is unfair and unfounded.

by kkucla on Jan 17, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

fair enough

You’re right, it was a myriad of factors: key players from that #1 rated class, missing assistant coaches, poor guard talent on the west coast in recent years, poor recruiting, the serbian bricklayer, etc. etc. etc.

I was trying to find the biggest single factor IMO, but shouldn’t have written it in such a way that makes it seem like I think Drew Gordon was the ONLY factor.

by BruinMW on Jan 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

yes but..

But history shows us that by recruiting Jrue, we really set ourselves up for failure. When Jrue was recruited it was sold as him being the next JF/DC. He was supposed to lead the team to the next final four. Since DC stayed and Jrue got to play with him, you’d think he would have used that time to pick DC’s mind and get some experience from him. WRONG. Jrue just split asap and left us without a solid PG. CBH should have seen that coming and got another player.

by Big Bully on Jan 17, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Blaming Jrue Holiday is tired.

As Class of 66 points out, if you are bringing 5 star recruits in to the program, you have to expect them to stay for one year. Anything more is gravy. He came, played, and left. It is CBH’s job to make sure things don’t get off track.

I think CBH is great, but the biggest problem is roster construction. CBH coaches tough, hardnosed basketball. In order to play that way, the team has to have a certain mentality. He has to get players that want to win more than anything else. Right now, the only player that I see playing that way is Zeke Jones. Hopefully his energy rubs off on others and the team takes on his mentality.

The reason the Holiday, et al. class missed wasn’t because the players weren’t talented. They all were/are talented. It was because they didn’t take on the bulldog attitude of the upperclassmen. The frosh and the upperclassmen clashed, and once DC/AA/LMR graduated, the only hard nosed player on the roster was MR. When you are consumed with winning, you put in extra work at the gym. You learn from your mistakes with humility. You give the extra effort to fight for loose balls and positioning.

Like I said, I hope a little bit of Zeke rubs off on TH, because he could be special. He truly wanted to beat Kansas, and he showed what he is capable of doing when he really wants to win.

by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 17, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree - Drew Gordon was biggest problem

As I’ve written before, Drew Gordon was the biggest factor. Sure, everything else being brought up is accurate, but he not only poisoned the team (I remember watching him blatantly ignoring the coaching staff going into a timeout – boy, it must be hard to be that good that you don’t need to hear what you can do better), he QUIT. And it’s how he quit. He had a full year of Benball and knew what it was all about. If he and daddy didn’t think it was the right fit, by all means, transfer. We understand that this is what you’ve worked on your whole life and want to give yourself the best shot at making it to the next level. But to go 10 games in, and then decided to leave…quitter. And the carnage he left behind would need some time to be repaired.

by rocket rod forever on Jan 17, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

true..

I can see how people may think Drew Gordon was the biggest factor.. But I still think Gordon was just a filler. Jrue Holiday was supposed to the next starting PG. Gordon should have been coming off the bench because he was never all that good. His attitude and selfishness really hurt the team, but not like Jrue’s “money on my mind” roadmap to the NBA.

by Big Bully on Jan 17, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The next Jrue Holiday...

Sadly, I’m wondering if TH is going down the same path. I know that he’s not wired to be an ultra-intense, show your emotions kind of guy, but I get the feeling as I watch him that his heart is not really in it, and that he’s already thinking about the draft. If he’s good enough, great for him. But I hope he’s giving his all while he’s here.

by rocket rod forever on Jan 17, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're underrating Gordon

He averaged 11 points and 5 rebounds last year. In limited time this year he’s averaging 11 and 9. I think he had the potential to be a very good defensive player and he’s a more effective offensive player than Stover or Lane. If he hadn’t been a headcase and had stayed, we probably would’ve seen less of Dragovic last year, and this year it would be easier to actually take away time from players that aren’t doing well.

by SuperBruinMan on Jan 17, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

Gordon had talent, his issues where mental.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Jrue Did What Kevin Love Did

The problem is not the player — the problem is the one-and-done syndrome.

And, the problem was in our recruiting; we did not foresee Jrue leaving and, therefore, did not have a replacement.

Can you ever assume that a 5 star type player will (1) stay; or (2) not flunk out?

I, for one, would not try to build a team on talent that is likely to leave in a year or two. I’d forgo the temptation. But, then you have Russell Westbrook — not perceived to be a short term player — but one who works so hard between his first and second year that he became a two and done.

I think our guard problems are from bad recruiting and can’t be blamed on Jrue

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 17, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Guard play

I’ve seen most of our players perform since they were early teenagers (I have two nephews that are currently in college that played with a few of these young men). Without question, I’ve been more surprised than disappointed with the slow development of Anderson and Lee. Malcolm is a tremendous open court player, he’s still a streaky outside shooter, but I’m shocked that he doesn’t create more offense off the dribble. That was the strongest part of his game in HS. I think the problem, overall, with UCLA is their lack of spacing on offense and the inability to hit the open jumper. Anderson dominated in HS, he was silky, had a really nice game – I think his problem is confidence. I still think JA is finding his way, getting used to coming off the bench, he’s not a bad kid at all – his family is very nice. I pull for these guys. The program needs both of them to play consistently. As good as our front court is the team will only go as far as Zeke, Malcolm and JA take us. College ball is all about guards. I think the next four games will tell us where are team is headed coming down the stretch, I liked CBH using the smaller lineup made the team a lot quicker on the perimeter and harder to guard in the half court.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.

by 11 Banners on Jan 17, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Jrue was a different situation than Kevin Love

Remember, Jrue was as SG or combo guard in HS, his upside was that he would learn more PG in college. I think this is why we still are seeing him develop in the NBA: he is still learning point. So, it was not unreasonable for CBH to think he might stick around to learn. But, he was a 5 star recruit, top ranked in the nation, so you have to assume that he might leave. There was a lot of press before the draft that he would go as high as 8th to the Knicks (they worked him out a couple of times). I don’t think there are many examples of players projected that high staying (DC being an obvious exception, maybe not that high, but still high).

KL also played a position where it is easier to move players around, as we see this year, a 4 can be a 5 can even sometimes be a 3. A 1 is a 1, though.

Bottom line, I see where everyone is coming from, JH and KL did well for themselves and I wish both of them the best. If JA and ML continue to step up, we won’t continue to lament JH leaving early.

Gordon, good riddance.

by JimmyBurke on Jan 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Whether or not

the class hurt is not what I was making an issue of, the point I am trying to make is I am not giving up on what’s left: Anderson and Lee.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

DC--you are so right--don't give up

But gracious sakes alive, this team can propel you over the edge in a heartbeat.

Go Bruins!

by peggysue69 on Jan 17, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

A bit ironic

but after all the concern about our guard play, it was our 3 guard line up that pulled us through the oregon weekend. ML is great, JA is improving and Jones is improving (if his finger heals). If Nelson and Honeycut can get their act together, with Smith improving – this could be a team that goes further than expected. The frustration, who will show up to play on any given day?

by Vanman7475 on Jan 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

too early for me to get excited or anxious about Shabazz

class of 2012 though, he might still grow into another position. Not sure if he would want to play the 2 behind Powell and Lamb

As for Lee and his thoughts on the Draft, I’m sure no player is ever going to publicly declare their intentions this early, similar to coach speak, it keeps the image of the team hopefully somewhat clean.

by BruinEngy on Jan 17, 2011 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

You are right

It is way too early to get excited about Shabazz, shoot we are only in the final three and that could change.

I think Lee will be back. The talk of him going pro throughout his career has not come from him.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's too late for Lee

He doesn’t bring enough offensively to be a solid pick in the draft, nor is he a good enough defender to make up for it. Some teams may have taken him based on potential after last year it’s hard to get drafted as a Jr without more production.

by SuperBruinMan on Jan 17, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Just goes to show

No one can predict 17-18 year-olds. If I were a recruit watching that hideous UCLA-USC games, I wouldn’t want to go to either school.

by ishXdavid on Jan 17, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

I think you'd see an immediate opportunity to play at UCLA

and for a coach who teaches D and gets one prepared to play it in the NBA

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 17, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right

But even after the game it is nice he is thinking of UCLA. Not a big deal certianly but still nice.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

agree, and with some quality big men

Who knows who will be around in 2 years but there’s a decent chance both Wears and Reeves will be here, possibly Smith and maybe Lane will develop. That’s some good talent to convert your assists when you drive the lane and defensive rebounders who can send you on the fast break.

by RealisticBruinFan on Jan 17, 2011 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone see this new ESPN commercial featuring the UCLA squad?

Great commercial featuring the Bruins on the bus back to Westwood with Howland, Garson, Nelson, Honeycutt, Lee, etc. “Home Court of College Hoops”

Just saw it during the KSU-Mizzou game like 5 minutes ago.

by bruinhoya on Jan 17, 2011 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

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