[Update] Coaching Search Madness: Harbaugh to San Fran? Rodriguez Gone (Finally?)
The last 24 hours have produced a great deal of talk about the rapidly evolving coaching situations at Michigan (no surprise) and Stanford (Who woulda thought 3 years ago?). Starting with the news of Rich Rodriguez's firing spreading throughout the college sports world, followed by an afternoon denial-of a decision from Michigan's AD. Meanwhile, Jim Harbaugh was thought to be the next Michigan Man, then Miami (the mammals, not the weather system) showed interest, all the while the Denver Broncos and San Francisco 49ers have laid in wait. Here is what we know now:
Jim Harbaugh was on the Stanford charter flight back to the Bay Area on Tuesday (unlike another BCS-game coach who couldn't wait to clean out his office before taking a new job), but may not be long for Palo Alto. The San Francisco 49ers, after having confirmed the internal hire of Trent Baakle as General Manager, are said to be waiting only to satisfy the NFL's Rooney Rule before officially offering their head coaching job. Harbaugh may interview with the 49ers today, and is thought to be their clear number 1 choice.
We know, fairly certainly, that Harbaugh is interested in the 49ers, and that he has told them so. (Or else none of this would’ve happened like this.)
... The 49ers absolutely want him, and a high-ranking NFL source said Tuesday that team president Jed York remains more than willing to pay a premium price to get him.
... According to the source, York and Baalke have been in regular contact with Harbaugh and his representatives for many weeks, and Harbaugh let them know that either Baalke or former Raiders executive Mike Lombardi would suit his idea of a front-office partner.
Meanwhile, the Miami Dolphins are holding exploratory talks with Harbaugh, where reports of a $6 million/year salary has been rumored.
According to sources, the Dolphins have put a decision on the coaching staff in a holding pattern while the team's executives conduct exploratory talks with Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.
While no offer has been made, the Dolphins may have to move quickly, given the stiff competition for Harbaugh's services. The San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos also have head coach openings and are in play. Harbaugh's camp is reportedly demanding a salary north of $6 million a season.
Stanford can't match that kind of financial offer, but according to the SJ Mercury News's Jon Wilner, Stanford has offered Harbaugh a substantial raise to stay on the Farm, a salary upward of $3 million/year. Michigan could offer more money, but does he want to return to his alma mater? Wilner thinks that Harbaugh genuinely likes Stanford (despite disappointment in the small crowds present at Stanford Stadium on gamedays), while the Detroit Free Press reported that Harbaugh is unlikely to leave Stanford to return to Michigan.
For the moment, Rich Rodriguez is still the head football coach at Michigan. While early reports on Tuesday stated that Rich Rod had been given the axe, Michigan's AD stated that he had not yet decided on Rodriguez's future with the Wolverines. Despite the popular opinion that Michigan Athletics (and their boosters) have plenty of money to throw around, it has been speculated that money is a factor in the proceedings.One source close to the situation told ESPN.com's Joe Schad that Brandon may have been hoping Rodriguez would resign, but he won't.
Another source said "contractual considerations" could emerge as a determining factor in Michigan's decision. Rodriguez would be owed a $2.5 million buyout if Michigan decides to terminate his contract.
In addition to the money owed to Rodriguez, Michigan would have to factor in the costs of buying out his replacement from his current position, whether it be Harbaugh at Stanford, Brady Hoke at SDSU, or even Les Miles at LSU (if he actually has an interest in returning to Ann Arbor at this point).
It may simply be an example of the MSM jumping the gun to be the first to break a story, fact checking be damned (not just for blogs anymore), but there may have been something behind a last second delay, if not change in heart in releasing Rodriguez of his responsibilities. The decreasing chance of Harbaugh taking the job may have caused AD Brandon to take a step back, realizing that his top option was unlikely to come, and causing him to decide whether plan B (Hoke) is better than giving Rodriguez another year, contingent on shaking up the pathetic Greg Robinson-led defense - the Wolverine D has regressed throughout Robinson's 3 years in charge of the defense, bottoming out with a 2010 season seeing the unit ranked 110th out of 120 FBS teams. In contrast, after 2 years of mediocrity, Rodriguez's offense finally came to life in 2010 with Denard Robinson leading the way. If by some chance Rodriguez survives for another year at Michigan, he will undoubtedly be looking for a new Defensive coordinator, likely one that can come in and turn around that defense quickly enough to save Rich Rod's job beyond 2011 (Vic Fangio, anybody?). Another coach looking for an impact DC would certainly impact the Bruins own search for a Bullough replacement.
Speaking of Hoke, he is considered to be the plan B for Michigan, if Harbaugh declines to come. He has had recent success in reviving the football programs at Ball State and San Diego State, and was once an assistant coach under Lloyd Carr at Michigan. He fills the role as "Michigan Man" that is so important for some Michigan backers, though the Wolverine blogosphere is not too impressed with Hoke's possible return.
Some people think he is a great college football coach and nothing to worry about. I think such ideas are preposterous. They are the cranial productions of blind fools who do not understand college football and offer no evidence to support their views.
The massive favorite in the rumormongering is none other than Brady Hoke, which goddammit. I'm not writing things about it now because all of it could or would get thrown back in my face in the event Brady Hoke is not a complete failure but rest assured I'm thinking all of them and how. ... I still cling to the belief that Michigan would not look at a 53-year-old with one decent season and one undefeated MAC campaign (undefeated until Ball State played Buffalo in the championship game, anyway, and then imploded against Tulsa, and then the mighty foundation Hoke had wrought imploded in a pile of balsawood splinters) after Indiana and Minnesota had both said "thanks, but no thanks" to the same guy, let alone make him their head coach.
Meanwhile, several writers and media figures have picked up on my thought that if Michigan does cut Rodriguez loose, that Pitt should not hesitate to bring him back to the Big East, providing a new stimulus package to our nation's furniture distributors and guaranteeing that ESPN Gameday will be making an appearance in Morgantown in November.
Have at it with your thoughts, rumors, or whatever comes up on the coaching front today.
UPDATE (A): The longest firing might be finally official:
Athletic director Dave Brandon announced the decision after meeting with Rodriguez on Tuesday and again Wednesday morning.
"I have completed a systematic and thorough review of our football program and believe that a change in leadership is necessary," Brandon said. "We have not achieved at the level that I expect."
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If he does go to the NFL...
…I just hope that delicate Jim gets his own specially-built personal bathroom again.
Sheesh...
That was one expensive hire + fire…$5 million just to get him there then fire him, not to mention his salary in that time…it’s gotten out of hand, and it makes it all the more hypocritical when players get punished for what looks like chump change compared to this. Rules are rules though.
By the way, anyone else think Terrelle Pryor’s apologies last night were absolutely pathetic? Spurred on by tWWL of course, to salvage one of their darlings. What an embarrassment.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Speaking of Pryor
I heard on the DP show this morning a question asked to him (I think on the field after the game) that went something like “So we all know about the pledge you made to your coach to return next year and serve the suspension, will we see you back at Ohio St. next season?” His response: “Alright.” They speculated on the show that maybe he didn’t hear a question and just thought the reporter said “we’ll see you back next season”, pretty funny either way.
I hope they all leave
and expose the hypocrisy of the whole situation. Actually, will just settle for Pryor leaving.
by britishbruin on Jan 5, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
That whole situation was ridiculous. Some of the “Tattoo 5” were claiming to have sold their gear/awards or whatever it was they profitted from to help them support their struggling families. How about they don’t play in the Sugar Bowl, go pro now and support their families on an NFL paycheck? Unless track suits and trophies sell for more than I’m aware of…
TattooGate
Did anyone else notice the marijuana leaf tattooed above Pryor’s elbow? This kid is something special.
Are you sure it's not a Buckeye leaf?
They are pretty similar.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 5, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
'Bout Time
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 5, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I really don't understand
why NFL teams are lining up to pay a college coach with no NFL head coaching experience $6 million a year. According to this article , Belichick is the highest paid NFL coach and only gets $7 million. (also see this article for a claim that the average is $3.25 mill and first-time NFL head coaches are more like $2 mill). NFL owners bitch and moan about the ridiculous amounts earned by unproved college players drafted high in the draft, and yet are falling over each other to take a similar gamble on a coach?
Harbaugh’s success has been highly impressive, but looking at both Saban and Petrino – who were highly successful pre-NFL, bombed in the NFL and then had instant impacts again at the college level – I don’t know why Harbaugh can command so many NFL suitors at such a high price. (obviously I also have no idea why the Seahawks pay Cheatey so much, but he at least had some NFL head coaching experience on his resume). I do understand why Stanford is willing to pay him $3 mill a year, and why Michigan would like to bring him to Ann Arbor, but the NFL frenzy seems bizarre to me.
Harbaugh is THEE coach of the hour.
And, while some college coaches have gone on to the NFL and bombed, others have done it and succeeded, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer for example.
Also, Jim’s brother John is head coach at Baltimore and it’s not too great a leap to think the brothers have traded notes. Jim also had a long 13 year career as QB in The League, so It’s not like he doesn’t know how the NFL works.
Long story short, I think it is a solid move for an NFL team, and I sincerely hope the 49ers land him.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
no college coach hired to the NFL in more than a decade has been successful
Jimmy Johnson’s NFL was very different from today’s (not least in terms of things like the salary cap).
HT to the Kitsap Sun for a useful list of the college coaches hired in the last decade:
[Coach, College Team, NFL Team, Dates, Seasons, Overall Record, Winning Seasons]
Bobby Petrino Louisville Atlanta Falcons (2007) 1 3-10 0
Nick Saban LSU Miami Dolphins (2005-06) 2 15-17 1
Dennis Erickson Miami Seahawks (1995-98), 49ers (2003-04) 6 40-56 0
Steve Spurrier Florida Washington Redskins (2002-03) 2 12-20 0
Butch Davis Miami Cleveland Browns (2001-05) 5 24-35 1
Mike Riley Oregon State San Diego Chargers (1999-2001) 3 14-34 0
(and, now, Cheatey 7-9 in his first Seahawk regular season)
by britishbruin on Jan 5, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
One thing all of those teams have in common
They had poor/depleted rosters. The 49ers have many pieces in place for immediate success both on defense and offense. The biggest question mark is the QB, which I believe Harbaugh can either coach up, or they can trade/draft.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Another thing all of those coaches have in common
except for Mike Riley, is that a big part of their college success was because they were excellent recruiters, and had the most talented teams year in and year out. Other than Luck, Harbaugh has done this with mostly 3 star players. In fact, this was the first season that he would have even put together a top 15 recruiting class.
We're havin' too much fun today. We ain't thinkin' 'bout tomorrow.
Why the NFL loves him
I think many NFL teams want Harbaugh for three main reason:
- proven he can turn a horrible team into a contender rather quickly
- he knows the NFL (pretty good NFL QB for many years)
- pedigree (his brother is a great NFL head coach)
But I do share your questions about whether his recent success will translate to winning in the NFL. The biggest concern I have is how much of Harbaugh’s success at the college level was due to having NFL-caliber QBs. At USD, he had Josh Johnson (who plays for the Bucs) and at Stanford he had an franchise-caliber player. We Bruin fans know all too well how important a QB is to the success (or failure) of a football team.
by BruinAficionado on Jan 5, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
My observation...
I think what Harbaugh demonstrated at Stanford was that he was detail oriented, energetic, anal and a task-master. He set high expectations, monitored the progress, took action when he needed to, planned every detail and insisted on flawless execution. All really important traits for any coach but especially in the NFL.
Respecting UCLA’s interests, these kind of guys surround themselves with coaches which think and behave as they do. I have no doubt Fangio is cut from the same cloth. What frustrates many here on BN is that none of us is certain that CRN has any of these charecturistics or that he has surrounded himself with guys of similar charecture (or maybe he has…gulp.)
by GemCityBruin on Jan 5, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think you make good observations on what Harbaugh is
which in some ways indicates how he might be different from college coaches who were successful on the basis of more college-specific traits – e.g. a Spurrier or Petrino who were known for being innovative offensive minds at the college level but were unable to translate this to the NFL. If Harbaugh’s genius at the college level is in being an awesome CEO figure, then maybe he is a better fit for the NFL than other coaches from recent history.
by britishbruin on Jan 5, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Re: " What frustrates many here on BN ..."
I am one of them.
I as well...
I must admit, than when looking over our program and the observable things CRN has done…that I have a tendency to super-impose my own work ethic on the evaluation of Rick. Like many here on BN, despite my best efforts, I have little hard evidence of how Rick operates on a functional level. And if I can’t see it or measure it or evaluate it than I presume it’s not being done.
This might not be fair to our coaching staff but heck, too bad. The results on the field, 3 years and a 15-22 record including going 0-6 against our traditional rivals suc and Cal…that record is getting Rodriguez at Michigan fired. At UCLA it get’s you a chance to clean house and try something different…and still the head guy, I have no idea how he is running the place. That’s concerns me and a lot of regulars here.
by GemCityBruin on Jan 5, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
GemCityBruin, your two comments above are real jewels.
Your comments under “My observations…”, especially the second paragraph, and “I as well…”, both paragraphs, have pin pointed my thoughts over the past year and more strongly during the past few months. I don’t think I could have said it better. I sure wish CRN saw your comments.
I’ve been trying to be fair and not ask for CRN’s firing since I don’t know what has been communicated between Chow and CRN nor between CRN and the rest of his staff. Then too, if CRN has asked for corrective measures has his staff responded and likewise have the players. As to the players, of course injuries enter the equation, but did CRN plan ahead or include that into his equation. I have my doubts after seeing the performance of the backup quarterbacks. It really made me cringe. I just don’t think the quarterbacks and some other position players were being prepared to take over. Is that a problem created primarily by the staff? GemCityBruin, that is where your comment, “I have no idea how he is running the place.”, makes it hard for me to have a foundation for justifiable criticism. The only concrete evidence so far is this terrible won lost record, and the under performance within specific areas of the team. As a fan I want improvement and I want it now.
I get what you guys are saying
but there are some things you just can’t plan for.
1. Did anyone know that the Chow offense would be so unproductive? I don’t think anyone in the country expected that, so how do you plan ahead on that? My personal beef has to do with installing the Pistol, which I didn’t like at the outset and like even less now. Whose idea was it? Unless our personnel was really so unqualified that this switch was required, I’m putting that strike on CRN. And I have said before, but this is in hindsight, it was a mistake to bring Chow, even though we ALL thought it was a coup. It was also a mistake to promote Chucky, but that is a byproduct of the Chow situation in having less money to spend on a good DC.
2. Even if you plan ahead for player injuries, the fact of the matter is that our roster was just not deep enough to have backups step up and do a decent job. Some of our starters wouldn’t even be second string on other teams. I’m putting that strike on KD, who put all his money on his large senior class in 2007 and underachieved greatly. His primary recruits were scraps left from U$C’s recruiting carnage, so imagine how bad his secondary recruits were…
3. Finally, we can all agree that the QB situation was a big fail this last year, and that strike goes on CRN and CNC equally since I don’t really know the inner workings of that decision. Yes, CRN should have been forceful in not letting an injured Prince play, but if QB guru Norm Chow says he’s good to go, perhaps he just trusted him.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Because for Niners sufferers, I mean fans, he's the 2nd coming of Bill Walsh
queue NinersNation
We're havin' too much fun today. We ain't thinkin' 'bout tomorrow.
Harbaugh has the swagger, charisma and the skills that others who tried and failed lacked
I am not saying Saban, Petrino & company cannot coach as well as Harbaugh does. But he has that youthful, commanding presence on the sidelines that enamored, motivated players others cannot.
Knowledge wise, I doubt if Harbaugh is in the same league as Spurrier even. But sometimes individuals in that position needs sharp, keen instincts more than simply knowing well those bland, workable strategies on the drawing board. Maybe those team owners saw in Harbaugh certain dynamic traits uniquely fitting of their teams’ needs.
If the $$$$$ is there, why not although I’d caution myself , were I Harbaugh, to slow it down. Build up the resume some more at Michigan before debuting at the NFL.
Just my take.
I see his situation as the same
as his QB’s. Luck’s draft status can’t get higher than it is. If he goes pro now, he gets picked first, and gets in line to get good money now and huge money with his next contract. If he stays, he might stay a top-3 pick. He might stay a #1 pick. He might have a crappy season. He might get hurt. If he’s my son, I extract a promise to finish his degree, and I tell him to leave school now.
Same with Harbaugh. Everybody’s slobbering over him right now, and he can write his own ticket anywhere. If he stays, he might continue to have top-5 teams…and he might not. Even after a couple of 8-4 seasons, he’d still be in demand, but not as much as now.
Unless either truly loves the Stanford experience, now’s the time to leave.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
" I extract a promise to finish his degree ".......
Precisely.
I’d get a legal document drawn up, specifying the terms to be met within so many years or his NFL earnings be impounded.
No, I wouldn’t but my thinking is in line with yours. However with Harbaugh, if he is good at Stanford, which he is, he should be good at Michigan or elsewhere too. A few more seasons of honing his skills at a different institution shouldn’t have depreciated his value, if he really has what it takes.
I'd love for him to go to Michigan
but he has publicly blasted the adacemics of the school when it comes to football players. Maybe he truly does take those seriously after his time at Stanford.
Anyway I’d love to see him there because it is my next favorite team after UCLA. But a potential reason not to stay in college is that too much time there can perhaps skew your football knowledge and make it not as effective in the NFL…
Guess we’ll find out soon!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
If I can get a huge raise now
or a huge raise a few years from now…now sounds awfully good.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Harbaugh got Pete's number down pat
The enemy of our enemy is our friend. So very true.
As a Bruin and a Wolverine, I have a few comments.
1. Rich Rod has only himself to blame. He went to a program that had forty straight years of winning (except for 1984 that was 6 – 6) and tried to overall everything – consequently chasing away a lot of talent. Asking everyone to hold hands and sing a Josh Grobin song at the Football Banquest did not help.
2. Notwithstanding being an absolute asshole (e.g., drunk driving arrest), Harbaugh is a great college coach. However, he won’t be as successful in the pros because a good part of his success is the rah rah stuff that simply does not go over at all with veteran professional football players (same for Pete Carroll).
3. The commentary and insight regarding this whole coaching debacle at Michigan is much better on Bruins Nation compared to Maize and Brew.
by Chicago Wolverine on Jan 5, 2011 2:05 PM PST reply actions
Not sure I agree
Rich Rod should never have been hired, that blame falls squarely on the AD’s shoulders. He ran a completely different system and just does not fit in the Michigan crowd. I mean, not at all. The AD was blinded by Rich Rod’s record and wanted to make a splashy hire. Considering the payout to WVU on top of everything else, that was a bad decision. Rich Rod was a known commodity and the only thing he had in common with Michigan was his team’s colors.
As for Harbaugh, I don’t see him at all as a rah-rah kind of guy, but more like a hard ass who makes his players work their butt off. Cheatey was a cheerleader, Harbaugh is a motivator…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Cheatey was a ringleader, never hesitated to corroborate with anyone of whatever ethics....
if that would benefit him and further his cause, for right or wrong. Morally, he is like a piece of decaying sandwiches, with more shit than bread in the middle.
" A good part of his success is the rah rah stuff " ......
That is what I meant by his swagger and charisma. It conceivably may not work as well with the NFL veteran pros. I grant you that. That’s why I really thought he should take that Michigan job, hone his skills some more at a different institution before he makes the expected jump to the pros.
I didn’t know Harbaugh had a DUI. As far as being an absolute asshole, in your word, I kind of detected it from his demeanor too on the sideline. But apparently the Cardinals took it all in well, and achieved beyond expectations quickly within a short period of time. It is the outcome and the manner from which it bases that matter the most, in the eyes of all these star crossed NFL owners and general managers.
Tom Cable's contract wasn't picked up in Oakland
A friend of mine floated the idea of letting go of Norm Chow and possibly pursuing Cable to be our OC once more. Thoughts?
Harbaugh the Tough Guy
After the game, when asked about Harbaugh, Luck said "H made us do the things we did not want to do … " and explained that it had all paid off.
Hard ass but focused and on the right path.
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