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The Morning After, Part 7: Arizona

Rick may be scratching his head in confusion, but the answers are crystal clear to Bruin fans this morning.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

The sun did, in fact, come up today, just in case any of you in the Pacific NW are wondering.  Of course, it's always sunny here in Colorado, but it's even sunnier than usual today.  And that is fitting because I feel a huge sense of relief today.

Before the game last night, I wrote this to the BN editors:

I don't mean to be negative.  But despite the records, if I compare the Arizona eye test versus the UCLA eye test, they are better.  They were competitive against highly ranked teams.  We struggled against crappy state schools. 

Still, we ought to be better than them.  I hope tonight is the night we turn that corner.

I've thought that weekly for the last 2 years.  Do I have a learning problem?

I haven't been learning much.  Every time I think we are going to turn a corner, I just bump my head into another dead end.  And it's been the same thing week after week in Neu's second and third and now over halfway through his fourth years.  It's like being lost in a maze with no exit, just endlessly randomly wandering around with no plan or sense of direction and no sign of an exit or light at the end of the tunnel.  Bump, again.

But this morning is different.  I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders.  I think we have finally turned a corner after all, it's just not the direction I was expecting.  It turns out it wasn't my learning problem, but I needed to  pay attention to what I have been teaching.  I can thank my 9 year old son for this one.

There are a few ideas that I try to instill in my kids.  Some simple philosophies that they can use to understand their world now, and that can also be a basis from which they can expand as they grow and mature, as their world becomes more diverse and complicated.   I'm not a great dad.  In fact, I started out as possibly the worst parent ever, or at least one of the least enthusiastic.  Luckily, the kids just loved their daddy all along, and as they have grown, I have, too.  I always loved them, but my ability to appreciate them and communicate with them took a long time to come around.  Thankfully, they were always listening, and some of the valuable lessons that I have learned in life are beginning to apply to theirs.  I'm not any wise parent or anything.  These things I try to teach my kids are an amalgam of ideas borrowed from Coach, my own parents, and some coaches and teachers of mine, and other inspirational leaders I have studied.  There aren't many lessons, as I try not to micromanage my children, but here are three of the ones that we repeat frequently.

Star-divide

There are three phrases you have to be able to say with all sincerity and exactly they are needed. They are Thank you, I'm sorry, and I was wrong.  It's easy to get along in relationships at any level when everything is going well and is easy.  It is much harder to deal with adversity in those relationships.   If you can say those words and really mean them, then you will know appreciation and humility and responsibility, and it will make you a valuable person in the lives of everyone you meet and interact with.

Everything in the universe happens for one of two reasons: physics or money.  Gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak forces explain why water sticks together and why planets orbit each the sun and why the sky is blue and how trees and bugs and dogs live and die.  Human or societal behavior doesn't obey physics (directly).  It obeys the cost/benefit ratio of any decision.  Money can literally mean cash, or it can be the benefit that results from an action or decision.   It's kinda stark, yeah, but it's a bit tongue in cheek too.  And anyway, the economists will back me up that nothing ever happens for a loss.

Bad things are going to happen. The key is to make something good come out of them.  For my kids, bad things means losing a child's hockey game, or having a favorite stuffed animal chewed up by the puppy, or not getting to go to a friend's party.  In the future, it may deal with getting a bad grade in school or getting dumped before prom or not getting a job or dealing with an illness.  But rather than sit and suffer, they need to figure out some way to make at least some positive come from a negative.  Don't give up, Keep trying; Don't settle, Keep fighting.

This is the one that cleared things up for me last night.

That first half of football was absolutely incredible, and it was incredible in the worst sense possible.  The defense was the worst is has ever been, and that is really saying something.  Surrendering 6 touchdowns on 6 possessions.  Really?  Not even a single stop.  Not a single field goal?  And scoring only 7 points against one of the worst defenses in the country?  My brother who is a U.C.S.D. grad and has no vested interest at all in our football team texted me in the second quarter, "Tell me there will be a fb press conference on Monday to make a change".  Freesia wrote in the post game, "To call that game embarrassing is embarrassing to the word embarrassing.  It was sad.  It was pathetic.  It was difficult to watch."  Things were getting pretty clear.  And then, just before halftime, things got even worse.  Never mind the d-bag who came on the field.  Sure, he is just some college nut, but there a lot of weirdos in the world and for players on a field, you can never know what intentions someone has when he comes out of the stands.  But that brief distraction got much worse with the ensuing melee.  It's sad that it took 29:58 for our team to show any sort of fight on the field.  That it was in the form of that brawl was even more disgraceful.  And even if that coward purse stealing quitter Shaq Richardson said something that deserved him getting punched in the face, you still can't do it that way on the field.

The whole thing was shameful.  I've never been ashamed to be a Bruin, but there are time where I have been ashamed of the actions of Bruins.  And that first half fit the bill. 

Then, as my son walked away from the TV at halftime, while I moaned that that was without a doubt the absolute worst half of U.C.L.A. football (if not just football in general) I have ever had the misfortune to watch, he agreed that it was really bad and that we'd just have to make something good come out of it.

I wasn't sure what sort of good was going to come from that half.  I was still reeling from the absolute beatdown by a school which had lost to 10 consecutive  D-1 opponents (their last win was, naturally, us), which fired its head coach after its last game, which elevated the DC of the worst defense in America to replace that head coach.  I was discouraged by the absolute venom and disgust in the comments in the first half thread.  I was surprised at the absolute unanimity in the fanbase.  Everyone said it was the worst performance they had ever seen.  I noted the complete disappearance of the last remaining fans who bless their hearts thought that Neuehisel and Tresey and Guerrero might still get this program turned around. 

And that was it.  The fan base was united on the same side.  And we knew what needed to be done.

The first half was bad.  It was so bad that it was good, because it removed any doubt as to what this program needs.  We have kept waiting for Neu to turn things around.  We have been hoping against hope that Neu was still the answer.  We listed all the reasons for believing in him and gave criteria that still left him an avenue to success.  There was debate and division within the BN community over how to proceed.  I didn't want to turn on an alum, a Rose Bowl hero, a man who loves U.C.L.A. as much as I do.  But I didn't like the record and the product on the field either.  How would we know when we finally turned the corner?

The first half last night was that corner.  That debacle was finally the sign which made it crystal clear, not just to me, but to every Bruin with a pulse, that change must come.  And it may not come today or Monday or at the end of the season, but there is no longer any question for the Bruin fanbase.  And that fact gives me some peace.

There is still pain ahead, but it won't be as bad as that first half.  Sometimes, change requires a catalyst or it carries a price (see?  physics or money) and paying that price can be painful. But it is necessary to move forward.  It's like a patient with a broken arm.  That fracture hurts, but pushing the bones back into proper place hurts a whole lot more (don't worry, in real life I use propofol).  But once it is done, the pain is a lot better than it was before, and the end result is apparent and healing can being.

That first half was our broken program getting pushed back into place.  That was the moment when Rick Neuheisel's program finally turned the corner.  There is still a long way to go until our fracture is healed, but now the answer is clear, the end result is apparent, and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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I do believe

That Rick Neuheisel loves the ol’ Alma Mater like so many of us do, and because of that belief, I am confident he will do the right thing this weekend. Call a press conference. Announce his resignation, effective immediately. I just can’t imagine either of his coordinators taking over the rest of the season. Harold & Kumar – or even Cheech and Chong – would seem better suited to the task.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2011 6:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Not Kumar

Oh please, not Kumar. Maybe Harold, but definitely not Kumar.

I say this because Kumar is played by Kal Penn, who is a UCLA alumnus. And if there’s one thing that the last decade of UCLA football has taught us, it’s that UCLA alumni CAN’T COACH.

by RWCBruin on Oct 21, 2011 9:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Funny story

One of my wife’s friends put up her graduation picture on Facebook, and noticed that Kal Penn is in the background staring at the camera!

by Westwood Wizard on Oct 21, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Coaching change

Neu should be replaced Monday. Arizona did it and look where they are now. An interim coach is a perfect way to start that healing process we need right now.

by cyberdbk on Oct 21, 2011 6:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

This has been said for years. Hopefully the Arizona fiasco actually serves as the cup of coffee DG needs to go with his donuts!

by iLOATHEscFOREVER on Oct 21, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

This captures my mood precisely

by Kirk 71 on Oct 21, 2011 6:04 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

mine too

c/o '98 Go Bruins!

by Romo785 on Oct 21, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glass Half Full

G-
This was a great commentary.
The beat down reaction proves that the glass can be half full, even in dark times.
The question is- absent RN taking the high road himself and exiting stage left, how do we know for sure that DG will actually do something?
Either DG does the right thing and gets a new coach (the glass becomes full), or he says just one more year (he drains our glass, which is now empty).
We all know the obvious, about what needs to be done. But how many times has DG been oblivious?
Really hope I am wrong here, but I have lingering doubts after the cumulative years of football disappointment.

by islandbruin on Oct 21, 2011 6:07 AM PDT reply actions  

If DG retains Neuheisel for another year

then he will not only have emptied the glass, but cut out the bottom and irreparably damaged it. If the glass is UCLA’s athletic department, we would need to replace the entire glass. Though we don’t have the record, I truly feel as though we’ve matched the brokenness of that 0-12 Washington squad.

by BruinMW on Oct 21, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is much more talent on this team

than on that 0-12 UW squad. That’s what makes this so bad.

I had us pegged for a 6-6 season. I think it will be 4-8 now. Again.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, our talent is higher

hence, the 3 close “wins” over horrendously bad teams.

But the permanence of the damage (or at least that feeling) is the same.

by BruinMW on Oct 21, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have serious doubts that after this disaster

our current coaching staff can actually win another game this season. Its entirely likely we win no more games with the status quo.

by bruinhawk on Oct 21, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Change Must Come... but not in the mind of our Athletic Director

Dan Gu-ERROR after last night’s debacle as reported by ESPN:

“…all this talk about him staying or him going, that does nothing for our team that is trying to regroup and go out there every week and play hard and try to win football games.”

Earth to Dan: all this talk absolutely does something to our team: Humiliates. Distracts. Discourages. Embarrasses. Takes The Life Out.

Dan, you’re fired. And take Rick with you.

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.

by Bruins78 on Oct 21, 2011 6:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Homecoming Next Week

Will more than 50,000 show? Already got my tix through parents weekend, but was there for the half empty Bowl for Texas earlier in the year, and with this “performance” as a lead in, the stands won’t be filled with powder blue.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2011 6:16 AM PDT reply actions  

More than 50,000? Probably...

(there are always a lot of Cal fans at the Rose Bowl when we play them).

by Westwood Wizard on Oct 21, 2011 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going with my brother and all of his Cal friends

Luckily myself and my friend will still be there to wear Bruin true blue. But needless to say, I fully expect the tailgating to be the best part of next saturday, by far.

by BruinMW on Oct 21, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

OCCUPY THE MORGAN CENTER

DO NOT SETTLE FOR NEU GETTING FIRED!!!

HE IS JUST THE RESULT OF DOUGHNUT DAN GUERRERROR.

DOWN WITH DOUGHNUT DAN!

by beanandcheeseburrito on Oct 21, 2011 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey, I like the idea!

Occupy Morgan Center! And this 99% actually has a clear g

by cyberdbk on Oct 21, 2011 6:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey, I like the idea!

Occupy Morgan Center! And this 99% actually has a clear goal. We want Dan and Neu to be fired. Thanks for trying Rick but it just hasn’t worked out.

by cyberdbk on Oct 21, 2011 6:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

OCCUPY MORGAN CENTER !!!

Doughnut Dan Guerrerror is a FAT CAT that is making $750,000 a year for this disaster.

Never ever has our athletic department been in such disarry.

Never ever have our athletic programs struggled this much.

Never ever have we paid an athletic director this much.

Why has Doughnut Dan’s salary DOUBLED since he has been here? Performance?

Why has his salary DOUBLED during a period when other UC employees are having salaries freezed or taking cuts?

DOWN WITH DOUGHNUT DAN GUERRERROR!!! THE MORGAN CENTER’S FAT CAT!!!

by beanandcheeseburrito on Oct 21, 2011 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe DG and I are both state employees

I had to take a10% pay cut when my students’ test scores keep going up and DG gets a pay raise when our athletics department is in shambles. Oh yeah, makes total sense.

by AnteatersandBruins on Oct 21, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Oct 21, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or as we used to say in my profession...

The more you “F” up… the higher you move up!!!

by GogetemBruins on Oct 21, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's also

getting a fat bonus at the end of his contract. It’s around 700k, just for making it through the end of the current contract. smh

Only at UCLA would a athletic directors bonus be tied to whether he can ride out the remaining years without doing anything to get fired. Even then, Dan has F’d that up because at any other major university he’d be fired over the sh!tty state of our football program.

by King J77 on Oct 21, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time to get organized.

There is plenty of time to plan, and this internet thing to get the plan disseminated.

Bags over the head? I like it. I predict that bags will be confiscated on the way into the game, so stash them under the shirt.

I have heard how much everyone loves to tailgate. Those who already have tickets can’t get a refund, so you’re screwed. So use the already sunk cost to make a point. Can you convince everyone or at least a significant portion of everyone to get up and walk out just as the game is starting? That takes organization and passion.

Occupy Morgan Center, as Bean and Cheese suggests? You need to organize that and include the press. Make sure someone sees what’s going on. The guy from Yahoo Sports don’t give a crap about “access,” so they won’t ask Doughnut Dan if it’s OK to report on student dissatisfaction with the circle-jerk that has been going on in Morgan Center during his regime.

So get organized. Get mobilized. In the olden days, it was done with a bullhorn. Now it can be done through the internet. But in my opinion, it’s going to take feet on the ground and action that catches the eye of the press.

Hey, hey, hey, ho, ho, ho,
Rick and Dan have got to go.

I think that works as a chant.

by Fox 71 on Oct 21, 2011 6:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Careful there, fellow geezer

Yer letting your inner 60’s radical show. How ’bout

Hey hey Dann-ay
How many recruits
you scare off today
?”

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or this one

all we are sayyy – ing
Is give Leach a Chance

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Leach could average 9+ wins a season at Texas Tech & graduate more players than any public university in the country

Imagine what he could do with the talent UCLA brings in every year. Academics matter at UCLA and no football coach in America values the classroom as much as Mike Leach. He has 2 doctorates & two masters degrees. He’s not just a brilliant coach, he leads the right way. I hope the powers that be at UCLA pick up & read “Swing Your Sword”. He does not deserve to be blackballed simply because a selfish ESPN analyst didn’t like the playing time his son was getting. Adam James caught 25 passes Leach’s last year. He caught two the next year. Craig James is walking poison.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

In Rick's mind, what is the honorable thing to do?

I hope he can apply g’s first rule and say “I’m sorry, I’m not the right person to coach this team the way my alma mater deserves” in a presser on Monday. I think the relentless optimist (hasn’t been seen in his body language in quite a while) in him will tell him to keep plugging away until Guerror dismisses him.

by 99von on Oct 21, 2011 6:27 AM PDT reply actions  

And Guerror has already said he won't dismiss Rick

We need to clean house at Morgan. I can’t believe the 3 wealthy and influential alumni would put up with this debacle…

by 99von on Oct 21, 2011 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

"It's a journey"

On the way into work, the local news station had a brief quote where CTSS said that “It’s a journey” and I swore at the radio and changed the station. So much for him resigning. The only journey we need is for him to take one – pack up his office and leave.

by ucla717274 on Oct 21, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where's Wilford Brimley When you need 'im?

Anybody see “Absence of Malice?” Or just the end of the movie?

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick's mindset? I'm Not A Quitter. I Will Never Ever Quit. Under No Circumstances.

Come Hell Or High Water – I Will Not Surrender. Fire me if you must, but I’ll never walk away.

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.

by Bruins78 on Oct 21, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the EU said they won't allow Greece to default

Bruin football has been decimated even before the 2008 recession. OWS and UCLA alum have the same message, we are the 99% paying for your ineptitude.

wanting to be able we certainly wished,
... but being allowed to try we didn`t dare

by c bruin 84 on Oct 21, 2011 6:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Last night was our 66-3.

Some games just clarify the future of a program, like gbruin said.

Here both halves and the pathetic display of our team un-discipline all prove the same thing.

The first half was horrific.

Add in we had no first downs in the second half until they put in their 2d and 3rd string, and it is obvious the team was mailing it in.

And don’t forget the embarassment of a team melting down after a beat down in the first half in front of a national TV audience, at least for those who could stomach watching the whole half.

There have to be consequences or we accept bad behavior. Only they should start at the top, with DG, who is equally responsible for the decline of a once proud football program. Its all happened under his “supervision.”

Don’t let him just scapegoat CRN. He fired Toledo. He hired KD. He hired CRN. He has promoted and accepted mediocrity for over ten years. After his comments last night, in the wake of a disgraceful display to the four letters, minimizing it as just a “tough” night, he has got to go.

The buck stops with DG.

by uclahy on Oct 21, 2011 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

A friend of mine from UT says he and the other UT fans are grateful to UCLA for that.

Because we finally forced the UT administration to make the coaching change that fans had felt was necessary. After Route 66, as it is still called, the coach’s position was untenable.

by Seth Chandler on Oct 21, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's organize

We need some students or alumni who can camp out in front of the Morgan Center in between their classes taking shifts to protest Dan Guerreror’s continued employment.
We are %99 and won’t tolerate Dan any longer.

by cyberdbk on Oct 21, 2011 7:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You can always take the intiative

BN has a platform for you to do this kind of organizing.

by Nestor on Oct 21, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

WE NEED HENRY SAMUELI

That guy’s got cash…but I hear he’s more of a basketball fan…

by AnteatersandBruins on Oct 21, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we got Samueli

We could call ourselves the 100%.

by Class of 09 on Oct 21, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man that was bad.. At least my Rangers won game 2..

I’ll support any movement to get our team better. If that means RN has to go then he has to be a man and step down.

by Big Bully on Oct 21, 2011 7:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Homecoming?

My wife and I are both Bruin Alumni. We are flying in from Miami on Tuesday for Homecoming. I have been asking myself – what for? Certainly I love the campus and the environment and I wouldn’t trade my education for anything. However – if Chancellor Block doesn’t have pride in the school and programs we have entrusted to him – makes it tough. Guerrero and Neuheisel need to be let go now. There is no sunny side to this current state of the athletic program. Once again – as for the past 13 years I find myself saying “I hope UCLA basketball will start soon” – that just not right for a school like UCLA.
I think the students and alumni are united.

by tazmiami on Oct 21, 2011 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of homecoming...

How many other schools have scheduled us for their homecoming? They’re almost gauranteed a win. We might have to petition the Mountain West Conference to allow us to join. Not sure our recent resume would win them over either.

I’m sooo mad…again.

by PasadenaBruin on Oct 21, 2011 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I left Orange County last night

Two Trogans in their ketchup and mustard regalia were checking in, presumably to fly to the ND game.

I landed in Neward, and two Irish fans were checking in to go to the ND game.

And I still didn’t envy any of them.

Somehow, I managed to sleep the entire flight on the red eye, probably because of what G said. I can see clearly now, the pain is gone. No need to analyze, dissect and question every game, play call or decision anymore. It’s obvious to everyone how bad things have gotten.

And to think, how reasonable we were when we approached the season, to give the team somewhat of a benefit of the doubt, by establishing an eye test. Well you know what, our eyes don’t deceive us, it’s an F all around. And it looks like it’s an F for stupidity and not for ignorance.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 7:55 AM PDT reply actions  

gbuin,

from one dad to another, all I have to say is, “good for you.” Being a dad and a husband is the hardest job in the world, but the most rewarding.

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Oct 21, 2011 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

much appreciated

and right back at you.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Oct 21, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post

Sums up how I’m feeling in many ways. Easily the most embarrassing game since I’ve been following them. I foolishly keep thinking they’ll turn a corner too. That I really thought they would win that game is an extra slap in the face.

by SonOfWestwood93 on Oct 21, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Not just ranked,

ranked in roughly the same position as the 2005-2006 team was preseason. Just high enough to let us rise throughout the season and grab a good seed (if we play well) but just low enough to still be the underdogs. Can’t wait.

by Class of 09 on Oct 21, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

DG has to go!

Plain and simple DG needs to go. He obviously doesn’t care or respect his fan base, nor his current students or alumni to even consider an early termination of CRN contract. This football program has been an embarassment not just this year, but the past years as well. I’m tired of wasting my money to come and watch a below average football team play, game in and game out. At least with an early termination of CRN, it shows that UCLA means business and not going to accept the embarassment that has been occurring!

by Trojanswearskirts on Oct 21, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Withhold your money, skirts.

Don’t send any donations. Don’t buy any licensed products. Don’t buy from UCLA advertisers. Put on a full court zone economic press. And make sure the administration knows it. Find out who the benefactors are and contact them. Take a day off of posting here and find out where the economic sensitivity is at UCLA and figure out how to poke it. Get as many as your friends to do it as possible (including me, although it’s tough this far away.)

A giant bureaucracy like UCLA doesn’t give a crap about any individual unless that individual has or controls major bucks. If the BN can control maor bucks, then maybe we can put on enough pressure to effect a change.

by Fox 71 on Oct 21, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Fed up

As a proud graduate of UCLA (film/tv), a long time booster (many checks written happily to the program), and 25+ year season ticket holder, I am officially disgusted. I began my relationship with the program when names like Donahue, Green, Easley and Aikman made us believe the program was a model of classy college football success. I suffered through Toledo’s collapse, the insane hiring of Dorrell, and the mediocrity of the last ten years. Like many here I celebrated the hiring of RIck Neuheisel and genuinely believed he would turn around the program. Instead I’ve witnessed 3 1/2 years of comic ineptness, and I’m fed up.

And to add insult to injury – and yes, Dan, I’m going to call you out here – I’ve had two meetings with Guerrero (a courtesy, I guess, to supporters) cancelled by him at the last minute. I don’t claim any special privilege, I just would expect the same courtesy from UCLA’s AD that I give to people who come in to see me – keep your appointments, and be on time. The irony is, my intention for the first meeting was to offer encouragement and general support. The second meeting the same. Now, I no longer care about meeting him, and if I did my message would be very clear – fix your program or I’m out. My time is precious to me, and my support for the program should be to them. And if Guerrero is that careless with this supporter, I can only assume he is the same with others.

Sad, sad state of affairs for this once proud – and one day mighty again – program. it starts at the top. Guerrero, you’ve failed. Man up, own it, and fix it, or get the hell out. I take no joy in seeing Rick fail – he’s a good man, I don’t care who says otherwise – but he is not the right man for this job. Unless/until the University and its AD decide to treat the football program with the same devotion they treat the maintaining of our beloved campus, the research departments, the faculty, and the other “priorities” at UCLA, nothing will change. Except one thing – this booster – one among many, meaningless to the athletic department – will, sadly, stop supporting the program. I frankly doubt they’ll notice or care. Which is exactly what is wrong with UCLA football.

by mwright84 on Oct 21, 2011 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

All you need to do to meet with Guerrero

is tell him that you will be writing a big 7 figure check to the Wooden Fund.

He’ll see you in 5 minutes.

Then you can sit and rip him a new one and ask him how his experience with running the football program at UC Irvine has helped him at UCLA.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget to...

secretly videotape the meeting and post here when you’re done. That would be epic.

by Bruinator on Oct 21, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think DG has it in him

to heed gbruin’s first lesson, particularly “I’m sorry” and “I was wrong.”

Some people just don’t have it in their DNA to admit failure. I think Dan is one. The cards just didn’t land our way. We’ve got to figure out what’s wrong and fix it. There’s a new corner to be turned.

I think he would welcome Coach Neuheisel’s resignation, because, in his mind, it lets him off the hook. But, to proactively terminate him would require saying, in essence, “I’m sorry” and “I was wrong” to the fan base. I’m not holding my breath.

Another beautifully written post, gbruin.

by Bruinut on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great comment and insight!

Quick question. I was listening to ESPN 710 about a month ago, and they were saying that UCLA doesn’t take big money from it’s boosters. They suggested that UCLA thinks they are above that. School like Oklahoma for instances rely heavily on booster support and pay their coaches handsomely. Being a booster is there any truth to this? GO BRUINS!

by RaiderBruin on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know the answer. I donate at a level that puts me in their "Bruins Legends" category

but they do have one category above that, called “The Director’s Circle”, for those who donate 25k plus. Ha, maybe Guerrero doesn’t cancel meetings if you’re part of “his” circle.

by mwright84 on Oct 21, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Yeah I just wondered why we don’t take the higher booster donations and pay to have better more experienced coaches like OU does.

by RaiderBruin on Oct 21, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The time to stop donating is now

Guerrero has a decade long track record of failure overseeing the football program. If he could fix it, he would have. He needs to go.

by silverlakebruin on Oct 21, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Write-Up G!

We indeed are finally united. I believe I will be feeling numb the rest of the season no matter how well we finish.

I’ll get excited about basketball, but it’ll be hard to truly celebrate a football victory unless major changes are made.

BTW, your 9 year old seems like he’s been raised pretty well so far ;).

by Bruinator on Oct 21, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Not much to add, but....

I have only walked out of a couple of movies in my life and shut off a few games. Last night I couldn’t get past the first half, and shut it off. It speaks for itself. I don’t have anything new to add. It’s a shame that it has come to this because on paper I like our team, and I thought Rick Neuheisal would have been the one to lead us. He hasn’t really done anything in his 3 1/2 seasons that I would say were redeeming other than some decent recruiting. But even that recruiting, while it looked good on paper, I can’t say I’ve seen any single player on the football field live up to expectations. Jetski and Coleman have been close. Brehaut and Rosario (this year until the fumble) have been close. But not a single superstar. Certainly no one on defence. Nobody reliably playing their position all season (maybe Fauria is close to that, and again Rosario has looked very good this year, much much better – but again on Paper the dude should have 40 catches a game).

It’s coaching. Tresey has a shitty scheme, and Rick can’t make the pistol work right, The second drive last night was about the best I have seen the pistol. But after that, same thing over and over.

New coaches. New mindset in the locker room. Maybe a new AD. But, change.

13-9

by UCLATrevor on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

First half?

I stopped watching after our 3-and-out that followed their TD. I’ve seen that movie before. OK so I had to go to the airport but still.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing that kills me is

The program isn’t getting any better and in fact has only gotten worse! The coaches haven’t been able to develop the talent or teach proper fundamentals. Even the criminals that we kicked out of the program are starting and making huge contributions for their teams while if still at UCLA, they would be sitting on the bench.

The schemes are poor and our coaching staff cant seem to make any adjustments in game. Hell the entire game prep is horrible! The players are always out of position and usually look lost. What the hell is going on out there? We have NFL talent that this coaching staff seems unable to exploit while rewarding mediocrity (Rosario). The fat man needs to make a change because his date is singing!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Oct 21, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Rick might not get fired any time soon

but surely he should feel he can’t get the job done and he needs to resign.

by BruinEngy on Oct 21, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Rick's not leaving

He won’t give up on his dream job half way through the season, especially because after his 4 years at UCLA, he will likely never coach again. No one will hire that track record. I feel bad for Rick, I hate to see a Bruin fail. But you know what he failed. One thing that never flew at UCLA as a student is failure. No, he will have to be fired, and DG is not man enough to do that. Get ready for the Lame(er) Duck session of the Neuheisel era. BTW, Tresey is god awful, he is a Chuck Bullough clone. Who would think that we would fire Bullough and get a guy with the exact same lack of imagination. Even with a score of 42-7 we gave their receivers cushion. Good lord.

by Strathmore&Gayley on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Chuck Bullough clone?

I honestly think Bullough would have done better than this in this season. We would probably only by 100th out of 120. That might have earned us one more win.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I really hope RN does resign, not because I don’t like him, but because it would be the right thing to do. I just hope he goes out with class.

by ovillarr13 on Oct 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

In an interview

for my first sales job, I asked the question of how long I would get to ramp up my sales numbers. The effective answer was “if you don’t make it, we’ll still like you, you just can’t work here any more.”

by BruinFanGA on Oct 21, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

WELL said.

The only 2 places they reward you for poor performance is the banks with big bonuses after failure and UCLA FB.

by 1970 on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just called in and spoke to guerreros assistant

Told her I am pulling my donation until such time as Neuheisel is removed. I anecdotally asked her if she was getting a lot of calls and, this is no joke, she said ‘no, it’s been pretty light today’. Just an update for all who think other people are conveying their feelings

by Scotucla03 on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Is there any chance...

Is there any chance, any chance at all that Block has told Guerrero not to fire Neuheisel mid-season…because Block himself is going to be letting Guerrero go? Or are we too far along (i.e. too late to go finding a new AD before the football off-season) for that to happen?

by s.riley on Oct 21, 2011 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

My late mother had a real comment for this

Blessing in disguise. It closed the RN show. RIP to that and Mom.

by 1970 on Oct 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Today, I woke up

with a hangover. I had a headache, body aches, and just felt lousy. The sad thing is that I didn’t have anything to drink last night. Clearly, I’m having somatic symptoms caused by the psychological pain that was caused from last night’s defeat. But, it’s more than having had lost a game. I’m experiencing a REAL loss, like losing a love one. Mourning their memory and what could have been if they were still alive, but there is no coming back from this. The damage has been done, and the only thing that awaits me is moving through the five stages of the grief cycle (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance). I’m somewhere between Depression and Acceptance; somewhere between, "why bother," and, "it’s going to be okay." But it hurts; it hurts badly, because even though it’s gone, I wish it still was here, football that is. Like many have said, I have to begin to heal, and that can only come with having a new beginning. With a new beginning, comes hope; with hope, comes positive feelings and thoughts; once that is achieve I can begin to behave again like a proud Football Bruin fan. Until, I have basketball to look forward to.

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Oct 21, 2011 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

What did we really expect?

RN is a salesman. He’s good at projecting his reputation as a good coach. But the facts just do not back that up.

He has a HUGE ego. He has hired 2 sets of coordinators. Norm Chow did not get along w/ him, thought the pistol was I’ll suited etc, so he left. DC’s were just bad coaches (where did they find Tresey? In the World league or Arena league or something?). Second set of Assistants was worse.

Organization and motivation are what the CEO’s responsible for. And RN’s failed completely.

Those are the facts my friends. And those facts will not change no matter how badly we what them to.

by SPNB on Oct 21, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

my buddy asked me to post this

Dear UCLA Athletic Director,

 

Last night I found myself remembering the good ole days when Karl Dorrell was UCLA’s football coach with a 10-2 winning season and he actually beat USC – when beating the Trojans meant something? Karl never had a losing season in 5 years in Pac-10 play. Unlike Rick Neuheisel, beating Texas only in a season where they also lost to Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State & Texas A&M.

 

Rick Neuheisel finished last year with a Pac-10 record of 8-19 with his best finish being 8th place. He hasn’t even beat the watered down version of the Trojans. The Trojans even lost to Notre Dame and we still can’t get pass them! In 2010 his overall record as UCLA coach was 15-22. Rich Rodriguez finished at Michigan with the same 15-22 record and he is gone!

 

My daughters asked, “Dad, how come we don’t go to games anymore?” You know with kids you have to tell the truth. I told them since George Bush has left the office, the United States Government doesn’t believe in torture anymore.

 

Even the name of their offense is weak – Pistol. Why not gun, hammer or something other than pistol? As firearms are concerned, pistols are at the bottom of the food chain.

 

I have never seen a person that has failed upwards better than Rick. He took two winning programs and ran them into the ground. I don’t know why it took Jerry Jones 4 years to realize that the Cowboys would never be a winner with a Bum-I mean, Wade Phillips as head coach. When will UCLA’s athletic department realize the same?

HR
howardroark10@yahoo.com

by Hooryder on Oct 21, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Yet even he

is 5-1…it’s nice to fall ass backwards into jobs.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is a much better coach or BSer than RN

I can’t really figure out how RN got this far? Gambling at UW when HC is very self destructive behavior. Kept that pattern going here. $1.2 million for what?

by 1970 on Oct 21, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

1970, the notion of "gambling" has been debunked about a million times. Look it up. Please

He got vindicated in Court, and the issue should be finally and forever expunged from conversations regarding CTSS. That’s a phony issue, and detracts from all of the real issues calling for his removal as head coach.

by Fox 71 on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it was litigated to death.

My question was how he really got this far and stayed this high in FB considering his mediocre past. $1.2 mill is a lot of $ for 4 yrs of 0.

by 1970 on Oct 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's not a bad coach

Many coaches and people who know him will tell you that he has a great football mind and is very knowledgeable about the sport. However, his time at UCLA has been full of mistakes and bad judgements. Some issues he was forced into by Dan Guerrero (initial coordinators). Some of them were his own, such as switching offensive schemes when it didn’t fit our personnel.

It really hurts to feel this way about Rick Neuheisel. I’ve had a couple of chances to meet him at UCLA hoops games and at spring games and he’s honestly a good guy who really loves UCLA. This is his dream job and one at which he wants nothing more than to succeed at. It sucks that it didn’t work out for him, I honestly believe he’s a guy who deserved to have bounces go his way. Unfortunately, everything that could go wrong has gone wrong for him.

by King J77 on Oct 21, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

It really feels as though he and our program are jinxed.

The move to the pistol was just a terrible decision, one that may even have doomed him all by itself. Going to a scheme without the personnel to run it on AND off the field…just plain stupid in hindsight. I really think he was banking on next year, just trying to survive this year…but his DC hire just may be his second bad decision. I am relatively pleased with Johnson (until last night, and even then, the HC must instill the focus).

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, King

I love and respect CTSS the man and the Bruin brother. As a coach, he just isn’t any good. I would not want him to do open heart surgery or try to land whatever the next version of the space shuttle is. I would love to hang out with him, and let him explain what is happening in a game, but I just don’t want him to be in charge any more.

by Fox 71 on Oct 21, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I’m very sad for Rick. As angry as I am at his failure, I know he’s a good guy who bleeds blue and gold. NO ONE wanted these teams to succeed more that he did. NO ONE cared more, least of all any of us here.

But he can’t do the job and has to go.

by Seth Chandler on Oct 23, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, gotta agree here

kiffen might be a slimeball but he’s several multiples better than the joke that we have as a head coach

by bruinbunz on Oct 21, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also

a cheater and has cheaters on staff (ogre & garza). He’s also making 4 mil per year and has about 1 mil per year for each coordinator.

Completely different scenario.

by King J77 on Oct 21, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's called the pistol

because it’s a shortened version of the shotgun. Not to make it sound wimpier.

Just fyi.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Oct 21, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

So sad....

I’m attending Northern Az University, and I am usually very proud to be a bruin. In fact, many of my friends say I’m in denial since I always seem to talk about my days at UCLA. Yesterday, I was very excited to proudly wear my UCLA jersey to class in support of my team. Imagine my shame when I turned on the TV to watch the game? I barely go to the end of the first half, before I just didn’t care anymore.

Here’s a little tidbit I read today, “UCLA has yet to defeat a Pac-10 or Pac-12 opponent that has gone on to finish the season with a winning record with Neu as head coach.” WHAT?!? You’re kidding me, right?

UCLA needs to get itself head out of the sand, and quit looking for ‘the diamond in the rough.’ Stop trying to get a bargain head coach. It is simple, cough up the money, and we’ll get a quality coach. Finally, for the love of all things football, PLEASE, no more UCLA Alums as head coaches.

by BruinBabe4ever on Oct 21, 2011 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Cough up the money for a quality head coach?

Hasn’t been done since UCLA lured Tommy Prothro down from Corvalis, I believe.

Time to resurect such a novel concept, 46 years later. No more promoting assistants on the cheap, either.

by bruinhawk on Oct 21, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sleepers..

I’m fine with the idea of having a few ‘sleeper’ type players, my fantasy teams are full of them. Unfortunately, these sleeper players usually need to have a great coach behind them. I’m a little thin on my football history, but has there ever been a football coach that could be described as a sleeper?

by BruinBabe4ever on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night Commentary by announcers.......

   I thought it was interesting last night that the commentators touched on the subject of UCLA recruiting andd our inability to recruit top talent including QB’s. Although they offered no answers, they did open the subject to discussion.
   My son the sports writer and I have had many a discussion about the inability of UCLA to recruit top talent. He grew up in the Inland Empire when Eisenhower an FoHi were powerhouses. I grew up in the OC and there were always schools that pumped out talent and sent that talent to UCLA.
  When was the last time we had an athlete from Bishop Amat, Long Beach Poly, Servite etc? Somehow these schools don’t show up on our radar. There are many other schools through out the LA area and the Inland Empire and the OC that have talented player that we are either missing or they are eschewing us in the recruiting process.
  We should be able to recruit from this base constantly. We should be able to find one or two capable QB’s and restock our team yearly. The players are here we just need to recruit them.
  We also need to offer these recruits top coaching. The talents here but they are going to other schools in the Pac-12 or to BCS schools. Why we can’t find 22 kids that can play Pac-12 football is beyond my imagination.
  Until we decide to become a football school, we’ll have many a night like we had last night.

by Twothphry on Oct 21, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

UCLA tied for 17th best average recruiting classes over the last decade on Rivals

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1238729

There’s no reason UCLA couldn’t return to being a perennial national contender given the right coach. Leach had a better winning percentage than 15 of the top 25 recruiting teams over that same decade & he did it with the 38th best recruits & in the Big 12 South.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Oct 21, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, we have recruited elite QBs. Richard Brehaut tore it up @ the Elite 11 camp, alone with Murray (UGA starter) and McCarron (Bama starter).

Head ESPN recruiting guy Luginbill: “If I had to pick my three favorite guys, Brehaut would definitely be one of them and I would put Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron in that group as well.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3502965

by s.riley on Oct 21, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Right

As mentioned at this point the lack of talent argument is not debatable. What you just linked is archived on BN. The talent is not the issue and it is pointless and not productive to argue over this point.

by Nestor on Oct 21, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word. Was just responding (must’ve clicked the wrong button) to the poster above who was referring to the poor talent notion.

by s.riley on Oct 21, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

They are not even worth responding to at this point.

by Nestor on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noted. Have a good weekend.

by s.riley on Oct 21, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

The talent is there. It’s just not being coached up, AT ALL! Time to leave that argument alone and move on to more pressing matters such as Rick Neuheisel and Dan Guerrero’s job performance…or lack thereof.

by King J77 on Oct 21, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Props to BN... It's really hard to say how I really feel

I can’t even translate my anger into thoughtful comments or a post. Every time I try I want to beat the crap out of my keyboard and yell at my computer. It’s abuse. No one should be wasting their $$ or time supporting this fake brand called UCLA. This is not the UCLA Standard. This is GARBAGE.

Great post Greg. Every time I read your posts I feel a little better knowing that there is a group of fans that feel the same way I do. You wouldn’t believe some of my fellow Bruin fans that still believe this regime can work.

All I can say is before I lose my composure:

“FIRE RICK NEUHEISEL!!! NO MERCY!!!”

and if you don’t, well wait, add him to the list:

“FIRE DAN GUERRERO!!! NO MERCY!!!”

FIRE RICK NEUHEISEL!!! NO MERCY!!!

FIRE DUMB GUERRERO!!! NO MERCY!!!

by TE193 on Oct 21, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

You called this a long time ago

I disagreed and thought patience would bear me out. I was wrong. They both must go.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Oct 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

On a seperate note

Can someone write an article on how lousy our advertising strategy is? I mean, we have L.A. in the name and many who weren’t privileged enough to attend UCLA can’t even make the mental connection that it should be their team/school. There are teams out there that have spent millions on this, i.e., the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. When I ever speak to people who didn’t attend UCLA, I make it a point to say, "L.A. Bruins," "L.A.’s Team."

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Oct 21, 2011 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

What's even more embarassing...

Is that the Turd-jans have billboards plastered over westwood advertising their football. And throughout the entire westside. Blame Dumb Guerrero and the entire AD dept. / public relations for their failure to push a brand.

FIRE RICK NEUHEISEL!!! NO MERCY!!!

FIRE DUMB GUERRERO!!! NO MERCY!!!

by TE193 on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

I am an admitted apologist who’s back is now broken. I excused our losses by justifying how “good” the other teams were (Stanford, Texas, Houston).

As many of us that held onto hope, I’m now done.

I wonder if anybody could detail what it would cost us to get rid of RN and JT (and whoever else) for this year and next. Also, what would a coach like Leach or Meyer go for with staff? Is it possible to hire someone of that caliber at UCLA?

by Bruin_jim on Oct 21, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Great post G Bruin

Well thought out and well written. It captures your mood.

I also like your picture of Neuheisel. I was watching last night thinking how he just looks like a defeated man. I don’t know if he can overcome this predicament. I’ll still pull for him, though, as long as he’s our coach.

by the blur 98 on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

GREAT POST

much love gbruin, well said. loved your fatherly view of the situation really spoke to me as a fellow dad

by Bruin Bro on Oct 21, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Great writing, G!

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Oct 22, 2011 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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