Dan Guerrero Ignores UCLA’s Best Interest, Schedules Texas at Cowboy Stadium
So yesterday we expressed severe reservations (you can also call it bewilderment) at Dan Guerrero's latest "Word from Westwood," in which he revealed that he has been planning "an early-season" Bruin game against "a marquee opponent at Cowboys Stadium." As we explained in our post, Guerrero's "vision" (his word, not ours) appeared strategically misplaced, especially if the game turned out to be against a high profile BCS opponent in next 2-3 seasons which already pre-scheduled other BCS programs on the docket.
Well not surprisingly our worst fears game true. UCLA is apparently planning on taking on Texas in what will essentially be a home game for the Longhorns in the Cowboys stadium [HT bruinhoya]. The game reportedly a nationally televised one, is tentatively scheduled for Sept. 13. Bruins were originally scheduled to play UVa on that day and now will be working to reschedule that.
It is not clear who is making "football related" executive decisions for UCLA athletics. Whoever is making these decisions is not showing a lot of understanding of the modern college football landscape. I get that Bruins have a romanticized memories of playing the Longhorns in their home state due to that epic "Route 66" and last-years fluke win against a bad Texas team. I also appreciate how cool, gracious and hospitable Longhorns fans have been (we always love interacting with the good guys over at Burnt Orange Nation and Barking Carnival). However, from UCLA's perspective this is not a smart and well thought out decision at all.
In our view UCLA should not be scheduling more than one high quality BCS program every season. In 2014 UCLA already had a road trip scheduled to UVa, which is now shaping up to be a fairly challenging opponents as the Cavaliers are emerging as an up and coming program under the leadership of Mike London. The right move for UCLA would have been to schedule two home games against mid major type FBS schools, that would give the Bruins a good shot to start the season either 2-1 or 3-0, depending on success in Charlottesville. This is essentially the formula most top tier programs follow to set them up with a nice record before they wade into conference battles. Instead, now the Bruins Have essentially set up a massive uphill climb by scheduling a powerful Texas opponent on their home front.
I don't care much for the silly bravados coming from UCLA officials about owning Texas teams any more. It was fun to engage in that rhetoric when we had a credible program. Given what we have seen last 10+ years we certainly don't have executive leadership who can give us a sense of confidence in how our program is managed. Right now if UCLA spends more time focusing on this kind of scheduling gimmicks instead of working to get a top notch head coach and a supporting staff in place next season, we will have more Houston and Texas debacles from this year, instead of reliving the memories of 66-3.
Right now this move appears nothing more than a easy money-grab from UCLA athletics officials, with no regards whatsoever for the best interest of our program (not to mention a new coaching staff, which should be taking over next season). This seems all about getting a nice big pay day for an athletic department which is finding increasingly difficult to generate revenues by putting together a credible product on the field (anyone can look up the atrocious attendance figures from this season). This move will look especially worse if there is no return engagement from the Longhorns to California in 2015.
All we can say is if UCLA better be making some serious bank for this scheduling and then use it to invest in our facilities and getting us a top notch head coach and supporting cast. As Ryan showed yesterday wad of cash is going to be pouring into Westwood. So, money is certainly no longer as excuse for UCLA not being able to hire an elite coach in Westwood. That is about the only silver lining I can think of in what appears to be latest in the line of dumb founding football related moves out Westwood. It also underscores the need for a wholesale regime change in Westwood.
GO BRUINS.
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Even if we win at what price...
Tough early games = injuries.
Donut Dan won't be happy
Until we’re a mid major road apple level program, taking away dates with no return home game in exchange for cash. And then he won’t reinvest a red cent of it. At least Krispy Kreme might benefit from this deal.
by Tydides on Nov 10, 2011 12:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are being paid to lose?
I’m getting my second BS in mechanical engineering at NAU in Flagstaff, AZ. We are about 2.5 hours from ASU and 4.5 hours from U of A. Those two schools NEVER come up to NAU and play in our stadium, and from the rumors I’ve heard, it sounds like we are paid by these schools to always travel to them, and lose. It gives U of A and ASU an OOC win, and helps boost their morale.
I fear that UCLA is moving in that direction. Sounds like DG is starting to take the highest bid for us to play somewhere ‘cool,’ and then not doing squat with the money to improve the football program. Maybe he is already projecting his next big bonus or raise with the extra money made from a game at Cowboy stadium.
Ya, I’ll put my boots on, but they’ll be my steel toed boots, and I’ll use them to stomp you out of office.
by BruinBabe4ever on Nov 10, 2011 12:11 PM PST reply actions
Jerry Jones...
…Dan got PWN’d by Jerry…
Maybe, just maybe the joke can be on them…Leach had good success against Texas!
How it went down
J. Jones: I want the most beloved college in Texas to play in my massive stadium to showcase their talents on national TV. I’ll pay big money for the victim…er, opponent.
All schools’ responses: {quiet}
D. Guerrero: US! We love national attention!
J. Jones: {pause} You are quite the masochis…excuse me. Wonderful!!!
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What is Guerrero thinking?! Our football program is corroded and falling into irrelevancy. This would be the equivalent of pissing on our ashes, but so long as we get paid. I hope I am wrong, but with the way things have been going since his reign, I will most likely be right.
Somos los Bruins poderosos...
sort of off topic but maybe not...
when you consider the issue of raising money, spending money etc. Morgan Center just sent out an e-mail with “exciting news”, basketball season tickets holders and Wooden Fund donors can now buy up to 4 more seats in the New Pauley before public ticket sales. This doesn’t sound good, it means tickets sales have been below expectation (no kidding given the donor costs). UCLA could have a great BBall team and still not sell out Pauley. Attendance is already embarrassing at the Rose Bowl. Check the Pauley seat selection guide to see what is still available.
They didn't fix the seating issues
They are spending $140m and the seats are as far away from the action as they were before.
Numerous people on this site pointed out how foolish it was to expect people to pay goood money for substandard seats in the era of every game being televised in HDTV
by silverlakebruin on Nov 10, 2011 1:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
All about the chedda
Donut Dan preys on the loyalty of UCLA alums/fans just like Donald Sterling. Both don’t give a rats arse about fielding championship caliber teams as long as they rake in the $$$.
Dan doesn't even do dumb things correctly
At least play a “neutral site” game against someone who also is far away from the site. If we played Florida or FSU there it’s a neutral site. This is playing a road game at texas without a home game in return
by silverlakebruin on Nov 10, 2011 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This is the same guy that scheduled out home
Game against USC at the sports arena this year
by silverlakebruin on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Question
is there an NCAA or Pac12 rule regulating the # of home and away games teams are allowed? Hearing about this made me go compare our potential schedule that year to Oregon and LSU’s this year (for obvious reasons!). This year Oregon plays 7 home games, 4 road games (all conference games), and the 1 neutral site vs LSU. How is that allowed? Not only do they split their schedule 7 home vs 4 away, they get 5 conference home games vs 4 away. Aside from the challenge of playing LSU….that sounds like a pretty advantageous way to schedule to me.
LSU’s OOC schedule looks similar to what ours could that year (aside from their 2 cream puffs due to only playing 8 conf games). They played Oregon in Dallas, and scheduled a road game against then top-20 WVU. If we had any reason to believe we would be competitive nationally in 2014, this is how you schedule to ensure that if your team can take care of business, you don’t get screwed by the BCS. The question is, why are WE scheduling this way?
The thing is
LSU’s game against Oregon in Dallas was pretty much a home game for them. It’s like UCLA playing Georgia in San Diego stadium. West Virginia was their only real OOC road game.
I knew that crowd was LSU heavy
wasn’t sure how skewed though. Oregon compensated by playing 0 OOC road games, and LSU had the geographic/home crowd advantage in the “neutral site”. Comparatively much smarter decisions by those two schools to agree on the game, for sure.
I just can’t wrap my mind around why they agreed on Texas as the opponent for this game. I’m sure Texas was easier to get given the scheduling turmoil the Big “12” must be going through, but that is no excuse.
Yep
Both Oregon and LSU managed that game schedule beautifully for them. I hope at the very least UVa game is moved back a season to schedule around this one.
I should have noted in last couple of years DG and RN vetoed a game against Georgia in Georgia Dome (IIRC we blogged about it) because it would essentially amount to a road game.
It was Georgia Tech
That's right
Really interesting to see how Auburn backed out to start the 2010 season. They didn’t even want to risk their “dream” season by playing UCLA.
No rules on the # of home and away games
Aside from needing to have an even number of home conference games (or in the case of an odd # of conference games as the Pac-12 has, alternating to have the number even out every 2 years). There is nothing preventing a team from scheduling all home OOC games, or including one ‘neutral site’ game, etc…
formerly bruinhoo
If we have a bad team this is a bad deal.
But if we’re a good team this is a good deal.
Even this year, if not for terrible first quarter QB play, we are competitive with Texas.
The game is three years away. I expect us to be a good team way before then.
Whether this coaching staff turns the corner or they get replaced, we fans are demanding and expecting more, much more. And I fully expect our QB play to go up exponentially with Hundley.
Nor should we copy the patsy schedules of some of the big guys now. That’s just chicken IMO. I think the criticism here is misplaced. It assumes we will continue to stink. That’s just too negative.
Have a bad feeling....
Since this game is scheduled, DG and CRN will both be here next year. This isn’t a move made by people on the “hot seat”.
Nah, not necessarily
And we will be fully supportive if a new coach comes in and want to back out of this game.
It seems that Dan is SO obsessed with money,
he’d actually torpedo UCLA sports programs for it. He did it with Pauley student seating.
Now, it seems he’s at it again. He’s so fixated on money and the glitz of a showy game, he pays no attention to the fundamental problems facing the program. He’s out shopping for marquee lights while the basement floods and rots.
In Some Ways....
DG is frighteningly like Georgia Frontiere when it comes to the money thing.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 11, 2011 4:23 AM PST up reply actions
Dan Guerrero is an Ass Bag
He is a first rate cheeseball shmoozer who just got swindled by one of the best, Jerry Jones.
What a moron. He walked right into a trap. If you smelled his head, it would probably smell like his ass.
Because Dan Guerrero is a name-dropper. He’s one of those guys who likes to make people think he’s important by telling them who he knows. I find it repulsive.
This like me running into Quentin Rampage Jackson and going to tell my buddy “Guess what! I ran into Rampage and he agreed to fight you!”
Forget Neuheisel, Dan Guerrero must be fired right now. He is single-handedly destroying our athletic program.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Completely agree
DG is completely out of touch with the fans, the alumni’s, and the reality that is UCLA athletics. He needs to be removed like a cancer, ASAP.
Bring It On!
I’m feelin’ a weird vibe on here regarding playing UT at Cowboy Stadium. I say let the cards fall where they may. I’m not afraid of Texas anymore than I am of Arizona or Stanford or any other NCAA football team. Is this what it has come to now? What difference does it make if we are scheduled to play in Dallas or Austin? Personally, I’m looking forward to a rematch and may the better team win period. I admit I’m not as football savvy as some on here. I tell you what I do know. I travel to almost every away game. As most of you know UCLA does not travel well or in most cases at all. Having endured many humiliating losses over the years, most recently in Tucson, Palo Alto, Manhattan, Eugene and Provo, Utah, I still enjoy the camaraderie at the collegiate level with other college football fans. I admit that working for a major airline has it’s fringe benefits, still, trying to get time off away from work can be a little hard, especially weekends. As a University, I like what we are trying to accomplish with the University of Texas. It’s time we move on with our own high profile, friendly rivalry and perhaps let our cross town rivals know that they aren’t the only game in town.
Go Fight Win!
Mike Garza
by GoBruin on Nov 10, 2011 2:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
By your logic, we should play every game on the road
after all, who are we afraid of?
If you schedule a team like Texas, and play them in their home state, you must insist on a return game where they play you in your home state.
That’s what major programs do.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 10, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Deduction
Not saying at all. We just hosted UT. Besides, who wouldn’t want to play at the Rose Bowl?
Mike Garza
We just hosted UT because they hosted us last season.
That’s got nothing to do with this.
Who wouldn’t want to play at the Rose Bowl? I don’t know, someone who just took a game at Cowboys Stadium nearby instead of a home-and-home?
The pasting we game them last year was a great game. And their fans were great, gracious and classy.
Of course, we lost badly at home this year. So who knows?
In three years anything could happen. I think DG is terrible, but this os not necessarily a bad deal at all.
We should have a return game.
If we don't have a return date
This is automatically a shitty deal. We are not (yet) a mid major that agrees to get crushed for money by major programs. I’m sure Danny boy is doing his best to change that though. If only we could completely dismantle any semblance of pride in this program, then we could whore ourselves out for big paydays every year.
by Tydides on Nov 10, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW: UVA has looked really good on TV recently.
Instead of the normal doormats.
What got into them? Why the sudden turnaround?
Anybody know? Maybe coaching does make a difference.
I think it is an awesome opportunity
We could really boost our recruiting in TX with consistent games there. The exposure great, and it will bring a lot of $$ into the program. Also, a win against Texas early in the season, would put us on the fast track for an early national ranking and the attention that garners.
Texas is the number 1 grossing program in the country (or was up till last year, not sure what the current status is.), which means a lot of eyeballs will be on UCLA as well. We are starting to develop some history with them. I agree with GoBruin – it would be a nice to see it to develop into a bit of a rivalry.
As far as having UVA already on the schedule… meh. I equate them with an average PAC-12 team, not easy by any means, but very beatable. Schedule 1 more easy one and it will be a tough, but not brutal OOC schedule, probably a bit easier than this year’s schedule. All in all, I think it is worth the risk, and as a fan, fun as hell to watch.
LOL
At the idea of UCLA fans making fun of another program as an average Pac12 team. Do you realize how bad that looks given the state of our program?
Second not sure how much of a recruting return we get from games like this if we have a program where Neubs go nuts when they win 7 games.
by Nestor on Nov 10, 2011 3:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't equate them to an average Pac12 team as a criticism...
I think they are a good quality program. If we play at their place, I give us a 50/50 shot at this point. Only point was to say it isn’t like we scheduled Alabama and Texas in the same year. Rather, we scheduled one team that is probably going to be better, one team that is about the same, and will probably schedule another team we should probably beat.
That is not smart scheduling
It is stupid to devise a schedule that gives you as much chance to go 1-2 as 2-1. Smart programs sets up schedule in a way that would put in best position to start 3-0 if not 2-1 at worst. There is nothing smart about this set up specifically it doesn’t entail a return engagement.
by Nestor on Nov 10, 2011 3:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The tradeoff is one way gets us ranked after three victories
and the other way doesn’t. No guts, no glory. :)
I used to think like you and have posted about it regarding the . . .
. . . seemingly superior nature of UCLA and, in general, the old Pac 10, to schedule tough OOC opponents versus the SEC’s nature to schedule cream puffs.
Well, those SEC teams (who only schedule 8 conference games) go 3-0 at home against those cream puffs, and maybe have one tough OOC game.
Then the good teams do well in conference and end up in a New Year’s Day bowl game or better. The shitty teams go 3-5 or 2-6 in conference, end up 6-6 and still go to a bowl game.
Look at Auburn last year: Ark St. @ home; Clemson@home (the “tough” OOC game); Louisiana-Monroe@home; and Tenn-Chattanooga@home. BTW, not including the SEC championship game and the national Championship game, Auburn played 8 home games and 4 road game (all OOC games at home). That is setting up a season for success. They didn’t gave the guts but got ALL the glory.
Look at Alabama lst year: San Jose St. @ home; Penn. St. @ home (the “tough” OOC game); Duke on the road; Goergia State @ home. 3 home games and one road game against a BCS team but a doormat BCS team. Alabama played 7 home games, 5 road games and went 9-3 in the regular season, which got them into a New Years Day bowl game, which they won, to go 10-3. That’s setting up a season for success (Although Bama fans consider 10-3 with a loss to Auburn to be a down season.
Now, look at Kentucky last year (or pretty much any year): @ Louisville (the tough OOC game); Western Kentucky @ home; Akron @ home; Charleston Southern @ home. 3 cream puffs and a road game against their OOC rival. Kentucky goes 4-0 OOC. 2-6 in the SEC (7 home games and 5 road games). 6-6 and a bowl game.
So clearly, the no risk no reward thing isn’t happening in the SEC. And it has worked for them. Did you know that the #6 SEC team plays in a New Years Day bowl (the Gator Bowl)? With BCS teams removed from the mix, this actually means the 7th or 8th best team in the SEC plays in a New Years Day bowl game. A 3 loss Miss. St. team played in the Gator Bowl last season. Last year a 5 loss Florida team played in the Outback Bowl (also a New Years Day bowl). Compare that to the very weak bowls for even the Pac 12 #2 team (Alamo, not on New Years Day). Some pronosticators have a 2 loss Oregon team playing in the Alamo Bowl. I guess the guts of playing LSU in what was essentially a home game for LSU might not pay off for the Ducks.
So, although I used to agree with your position, in this day and age of college football, smart scheduling wins out over not guts no glory. In the Pac 12 (with 9 conference games) that means, if you are UCLA, in seasons where you play 4 home games and 5 road games in conference, all of the OOC games should be played at home with one marquee opponent. In seasons where you play 5 home games and 4 road games in conference, 2 OOC games should played at home and one on the road, with one marquee opponent. That means 7 home games every season.
6 home games and 6 road games is not going to cut it anymore.
Well, this post ended up being entirely too long so I think I’ll cut and paste it into a fan post . . .
by orlandobruin on Nov 11, 2011 3:44 AM PST up reply actions
Wake up dude
Since 2000, we’re 6 games over .500. You want average, you’ve got it right here.
We’re the average Pac-12 team that Texas is scheduling.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'll be there cheering...
As loud as I can for the Bruins, I actually can’t wait ! I don’t care what the schedule is I’m there like the schedule or not . Right now it seems nothing UCLA does is good enough for bn… hopefully everyone has to eat crow , because that would mean UCLA by 2014 is a top tier team .
My two cents.
Bruin for life!!!!
You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden
by g.granillo on Nov 10, 2011 4:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sorry G
It’s not about UCLA doing stuff that is good enough for us, it’s about doing things that are in the best interest of UCLA. Cowboy Stadium is just another stadium, it’s just hyped because it’s new and Jerry Jones is pimping it out to make up the money spent to build it. And it happens to be in friggin’ Texas! Would Texas agree to play UCLA at Qualcomm stadium in San Diego? Or the new NFL stadium in LA, if it happens? I guarantee you they wouldn’t.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
There is a difference between being there and cheering . . .
. . . and supporting an administrative decision that puts us behind the 8 ball from a scheduling perspective. It appears that we will now play 5 home games and 7 road games in 2014 (Texas in Dallas counts as a ROAD GAME in anybody’s book). That is bad scheduling
I will likely make the trip but would more like perfer to go to Charlottesville to a real college town. But that’s just my thing.
Also, but scheduling 2 OOC games far away from UCLA, the adminstration is forcing most of us to choose between UVA on August 30th or Texas on Sept. 14. Most fans (myself included) cannot afford two trips of that nature in a two week period.
And if you “don’t care what the schedule is,” go check out the Fanpost I just posted about intelligent scheduling. It will open your eyes.
by orlandobruin on Nov 11, 2011 4:47 AM PST up reply actions
Derp.
Should read . . .
“I may make the trip but would more likely prefer to go to Charlottesville to a real college town. But that’s just my thing.
Also, by scheduling . . ."
by orlandobruin on Nov 11, 2011 4:49 AM PST up reply actions
Two things
1) I can not completely hate this if Virginia is moved to another year. We can’t play Texas and Virginia in the same year.
2) You don’t play Texas in Texas without a return game…ever.
Two roads diverged in a wood and I – I tweeted my followers to ask which I should take
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 10, 2011 4:28 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
Dan should have addressed these concerns
hit post too soon
meant to add that unfortunately, I’m sure neither occurred to him.
You do if you're a crappy mid major level program
Which is what Dan aspires for us to be. Now it’s time for us to truly walk the walk.
Agreed on both counts
If UVa is moved to another year and is substituted with a mid major team and we get a return date, I can be okay with this. However, as of right now, this is a terrible move.
It appears that UVA is rescheduled to August 30th in that year.
I linked to two Web sites stating this in my Fanpost on “Intelligent Scheduling.”
by orlandobruin on Nov 11, 2011 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
I realize now why
there are no Thursday night ESPN games at the Rose Bowl.Just got stuck in monumental traffic (by Hotlanta standards, anyway) near GA Tech. Imagine the clusterf@ck in Pasadena on a Thursday afternoon.
Depends how many fans
would turn out for the opponent. It’s not like the Bruin faithful are coming out in droves whatever day it is…nor is the product on the field inspiring anyone who could potentially be interested.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
This is more proof that Mr. Guerrero just doesn't get it.
Scheduling Texas in Dallas is not in UCLA’s best interests. Even if we were to somehow win the game at Cowboy Stadium, such scheduling reveals a lack of understanding on his part, as to how to build a winning football program.
OOC scheduling is a critical factor in determining the national perception of your program. Go easy when you’re building. Go hard when you’re winning.
Why is this so hard for Dan to understand?
For what it's worth...
I do think there’s a silver lining in this game. I agree with Nestor, Tasser, and the gang that this doesn’t look to pan out too well as of right now. And I also believe that not to schedule a return game is wrong.
But, a soft (or even mild) OOC schedule never looks good to recruits or voters late in the season. Neither does losing, and I’m not saying load it up with all top-five teams. But I’m actually okay with this move, because if we win or even perform well in a loss, it battle-hardens the team early in the season (and there’s no evidence about injuries, as someone stated above). It also counts so much more in polling if the team gets better later in the season. Personally, I subscribe to Pat Hill’s, “Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere.”
And BTW, I played against UT in college and they were one of our biggest rivals. I absolutely hate them. But I still support us playing them. And I still hate Guerrero.
gmurray I generally agree with "Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere" mindset
However, I think that mindset is appropriate when the program is built up. It’s not at that stage yet. Plus in today’s college football world when it is all about positioning for BCS standings, it is imperative to be strategic about scheduling. That mindset would have been find during the pre BCS era, but not any more.
Good point about strategic scheduling.
I like that term. But it can also backfire on you, though. Texas Tech (my undergrad) usually schedules softies OOC and then pays for it dearly in the polls later in the season, even when they win big. They’re rebuilding right now post-Leach, and just beat OU in Norman, then lost to Iowa State in Lubbock. UCLA beat UT in Austin and then imploded. Just goes to show you absolutely never know in college football. Here’s to hoping for another Route 66, either way!
And did I mention I still hate Guerrero?
Sorry - didn't mean to insinuate "softies" for the Bruins....
but I’d support a few respectable programs and one marquee matchup OOC. I think it gets the guys ready for conference play, even in a rebuilding year.
by gmurraynewyork on Nov 10, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm enjoying this new series with Texas
but this only would have been a good deal if Texas agrees to play us at Farmer’s Field. We deserve to have a realistic opportunity at going 3-0 in conference play for once.
Right
Home and home (ie if we got a game even in San Diego) would have been great. Texas fans are fun to chat up with football with and they are very gracious bunch.
Agreed on the 1 and 1
On another note, it’s interesting how UT fans have a much different vibe with UCLA fans than they do those from Tech and OU. WOW those are bitter relationships. Says a lot about UCLA fans, I think.
by gmurraynewyork on Nov 10, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think that'd be typical of most conference vs. nonconference interactions.
Aside from the obvious rivalries (USC-ND, UF-FSU, UGA-GA Tech, USCe-Clemson, etc.)
STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE!
If you think this game is bad, wait until you see Dan’s plan to play Oklahoma in Mexico City’s Azteca Stadium. 105K Mexican fans? That’s UCLA/Adidas gold!
Lawrence Ross
wow
As an alum of both LA and UT I like watching the games for kicks but holy crap this so dumb. Ol’ Danny did it again.

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