UCLA Returns to Utah to Lose Again, 31-6
by freesia39 on Nov 12, 2011 6:52 PM PST
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PrintUCLA returns to Utah, a house of horrors for them as they lose their previous two games in the state in an ugly fashion. Would it happen again? Of course! This is UCLA football, a team that had a chance to control their own destiny in the Pac-12 South as they prepared themselves to possibly be sacrificed to Oregon or Stanford in the Pac-12 title game, there's no way they'd come out listless, unfocused, and outclassed.
Then the game started.
The first half was a parade of flags for UCLA. No, not a cool parade of flags with flags from all over the world, but penalty flags flying as UCLA is unable to do anything but shoot themselves in the foot with penalty after penalty. In the first half we had 10 penalties (although only 9 were recorded, as one was declined.) The penalties were probably the highlight of the game, as it illustrated so much about our team - unprepared, undisciplined, think of an "un" and it probably applies.
- First series: third and short, false start, moves us to third and six, and the dumb mistake hurts us.
- Jeff Locke punts the ball, Utah waves for a fair catch a fraction before Jonathan Franklin arrives, we get hit with an interference penalty, fifteen yards. Dumb.
- Utah has 3rd and 8 and Sheldon Price interferes. 15 yards. We get lucky when Utah doesn't convert on a later 4th down.
- False start on our ensuing drive. On the same drive, Jeff Baca picks up a late hit penalty (#5) and on the ensuing punt, we have a false start (#6!!) For once, punting is winning though, as Utah fumbles, we recover (Isaiah Bowens makes up for the false start he committed seconds earlier) and Tyler Gonzalez boots in a 30 yard field goal.
- Next UCLA drive: False start, Mike Harris. Kevin Prince can't run. Kevin Prince gets sacked. Penalty AGAIN on Kai Maiava but the penalty is declined, so penalty #8 is temporarily avoided.
- Wade Yandall flinches after we are pinned at the 2, so we move back one yard to the 1. (#9!) False start again by Mike Harris (#10) and then we wind up with the dumbest penalty ever, 12 players in the huddle for penalty #10.
Then the John White IV show begins, as he runs all over the UCLA defense which didn't realize that in order to maybe consider winning, we should stop the running back. The stat was when he rushes for over 100 yards, Utah wins. Maybe we should stop him. Oh simple plans...
Would you like to know what's a simple plan? Clock management. You know what's horrible? UCLA's clock management at the end of quarters, as we move down the field without any sense of urgency or even a thought that the game is played against a clock. Prince takes an unfortunate sack which knocks us beyond Gonzalez's longest FG yet. It wasn't far enough that we can't try to kick a FG though, since we are KICKER U, but 47 yards is outside of Tyler Gonzalez's range, and he misses it wide right.
The first half flat out sucked. It feels like we had more penalty yardage than yards on offense (it was close, but we barely had a few more yards on offense) and it was an absolutely lost half. Kevin Prince was getting rushed non stop, sacked, and the defense was not responding to keep the team in the game. The score may have been 7-3 at halftime, but it might as well have been 42-7.
In the second half, it begins with Flipper Anderson's son SO WIDE OPEN that twenty dolphins named Flipper could have swam through the stadium and still not get hit by a UCLA defender. Utah touchdown, Hays to John White. Ho hum.
The second half isn't really worth recapping, as Utah began to run away with the game, literally, as John White scored again and again, and we are unable to stop him... or tackle him. On offense, we would have a couple of throws that would look nice (see, it's not illegal to throw over the middle, or to Fauria) but then Kevin Prince would make a horrible decision when throwing the ball, throwing into coverage or into situations that wouldn't come out well. All his passes seem to float- there is absolutely no zip on his ball.
Oh we scored on a field goal by Tyler Gonzalez. That was our last gasp, but then Prince is picked and it's returned for a touchdown, and you can hear the televisions in the Bruin Nation flipping over to the Stanford-Oregon game.
Oh and we only picked up one more penalty in the second half. IMPROVEMENT!
Oh yes, the eye test:
1) Is our defense prepared for each and every team we play?
2) Do we call offensive plays to catch our opponents off guard?
3) Do our players look like they know what they should be doing at all times?
4) Do our players play for 60 G-D minutes every game?
5) Do our players execute?
6) Do we have leaders on the field?
1. Is our defense prepared?
We had one job - stop John White. Guess who we didn't stop? John White. 167 yards. Two touchdowns rushing. One touchdown receiving. COME ON.
2. Do we call offensive plays to catch our opponents off guard?
In the snow storm, we were only going to do one thing: RUN. So what did we do all night long? Run. A four year old could have figured that out.
3. Do our players look like they know what they should be doing at all times?
The penalties say otherwise. Mike Harris is generally a very solid player, and his FOUR false start penalties were extremely unsettling.
4. Do our players play for 60 G-D minutes every game?
I didn't watch the second half, and I'm guessing since Utah scored willy-nilly, that's a no, Scott. Our players play - there's no denying that. I know they pour their heart and souls into the game, every game. I think Kevin Prince might have left a few body parts on the field tonight after being smacked around. But they are not given the plays and tools they need to win - how about playing some of those younger, highly touted, explosive younger players, Rick? - so how can we possibly win?
5. Do our players execute?
10 PENALTIES IN THE FIRST HALF.
6. Do we have leaders on the field?
This game was completely leaderless, from the head coach, to every player in the game, just going through the motions. Tyler Gonzalez made his two field goals though. I think he's my favorite player on the team right now.
We went into Utah, and totally got outclassed. Again. (Never forget BYU...)
This is the second straight night a UCLA team was outclassed, outplayed, out everything-ed. It is disheartening as a UCLA fan, and why we are calling for a regime change and a culture change in UCLA Athletics. Losing is one thing, losing in this manner on the road, after a slight bit of momentum in winning your previous two games, is unacceptable.
Give me back my Bruins. (And I went to school during the Toledo regime! It wasn't always spectacular, but I don't recall ever losing like this!)
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It's really too bad the Neubs don't have the balls to come back here
After all the talk about “winning out” and so-called “negativity”. If we beat CU, I’m sure they’ll be back, and I’ll be the first one in line to remind them where they were at this very moment. Hiding. Silent. Sulking. The way they should be. They can’t hide from the truth forever, and the truth is that regime change is absolutely necessary.
I HAVE A SOLUTION
Time for Ben Howland to coach the football team
and Rick the Basketball team
T -
It may be worth doing a special “Neub” fanpost picking out some of the most spectacular(ly stupid) comments from last weekend’s post game thread and afterwards.
We've told the Neubs it's a mirage
But they are Neubs.
The mental mistakes never stopped. Well coached teams don’t make that many mental mistakes. And the UA loss looks worse and worse. Rich should be gone tonight.
Rick Neuheisel, Master Illusionist
…of course all you ever had to do was ask a CU fan about his enduring lack of coaching talent. He’s a great motivator, but a lousy coach.
I am not a Neuheisel supporter
But I did make a blog about enthusiastic support for the team against Utah because if we won, we would keep our Rose Bowl and Pac 12 dreams alive.
But I also stated that if we lost to Utah, all of that would disappear. And so it is. All of that has disappeared.
I wasn't necessarily thinking of you
However, I do think it was absurd for people to think that the team had turned a corner ignoring the body of work from last 2+ years. It was delusional.
Even if I believed you were a Neub
The fact that you’re here now would put you above the rest of them.
Good Gracious, a mirage if ever there was one
The damage to the program is, well, incalculable. This patient is terminal. The patient being our beloved UCLA Bruins football program. The damage—again—is incalculable.
There are UCLA fans who want UCLA to be a shitty program
They wouldn’t use the word “shitty” — maybe “gutty little” — but they actually enjoy this. Now is not the time to reference Howland in a positive light, but it’s still damn telling that mostly these same fans were constantly ragging on Howland DURING the FF years and bitching about how we were a dull defense-only team (who do you like it now, ’tards?).
I think they have daddy issues, psychologically. They’re rather have a mediocre program so they can throw parades when UCLA pulls a magical upset over the powers of Arizona State a couple teams a year — and over SC once a decade — than expect to beat those programs and root for a champion. They can’t understand that .500 records at UCLA, with its elite potential in all regards, are not mediocre but actually pathetically horrible (only at the likes of WSU and OSU would .500 be mediocre).
So the Neubs actually enjoy losing. Sad.
(P.S. If we ever get a great coach, expect the Neubs to be out in full force ripping him up after every hard-bitten loss against a high-caliber opponent.)
actually enjoy being losers.
Lot of them are not necessarily UCLA "fans"
They are more fans of a coaching, athletic department regime, and just want to hang on for the sake of “access,” being connected etc.
Good point
I know a number of specific cases like that. I think there are also some sad mental cases as well.
I think we know the culprits
No “usernames” need to be mentioned (here or elsewhere) … but we know who they are.
I would post something...
well i would post something…but then i would get banned by nestor.
Bruins Nation = China.
Being Honest
I am actually not going to defend Rick at all. He needs to go. Period.
But the problem is, even if I thought differently, I wouldn’t be able to express it here. I’d get banned by Nestor. I’ve had so many friends banned from this site it’s not even funny. And trust me, they were not “trolling” or whatever you guys said they were doing. They’re just as passionate and just as knowledgeable about our team as you – just with a different opinion.
Oh and, yes, I’ve been reading the conversations on BN since its inception.
Pick your spots, man.
Why do this now?
What do you gain?
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I mean yeah...
See that’s exactly it. I hate to do this because I know how much effort and time you guys put into this site, but why are you so dismissive of this legit issue? This is a serious question.
See I disagree
I do think it’s funny. And no, I don’t trust you, because I’ve seen the kinds of people we ban, and knowledgeable is the last word I’d use to describe most of them. The chances of you having “so many friends” banned from here and all of them being “passionate and knowledgeable” is zero.
Nope
Nope. They are just as knowledgeable and passionate. But they have a difference of opinion. Or they’re not as strongly against CRN as you are. But there’s no evidence of that. They get banned and the mods here delete all their comments so there’s no trace of any of their opinions. So all you get is "WHOLESALE REGIME CHANGE" over and over again. Trust me bro. I love my school just as much as you do. And substantively, I’m in the same boat you are – FIRE HIS ASS. But what I don’t stand for is banning the viewpoints of legitimate Bruin fans with legitimate arguments. You might not think they’re legitimate – but at least for my buddies, they were. You’re burning a lot of your reputational goodwill and capital in the Bruin family by doing that. I’m just giving you some perspective from the real world.
Perspective from the "real world" of Neubs who demand nothing
And love the status quo, and who themselves have no perspective of the long term potential of this program are not those that we care to reach out to.
Note
He still has not offered the “legitimate arguments” which his mythical buddies from “real world” provided.
It's just a front
Because if this joker was for real, he’d give us a list of names of his “knowledgeable” friends that have been banned.
In fact, I invite him to do so. List out your “buddies” who we’ve “unfairly” banned, and I’ll gladly spell out why each of your ignorant, moronic friends were banned for violating the clearly laid out rules in this community.
I dare you.
Put up or shut up donkeyhota.
by Bellerophon on Nov 12, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Perspective
Actually we usually just don’t delete your comments at all. We hide the comments that are in clear violation of BN rules. That way anyone who brings up why they got banned we can point to specific instances of violations.
Moreover, we are plenty in touch with "real world." It’s the reason why this community has kept growing at a pretty explosive rate despite whining from very few people who do not care about following the rules or cannot show the respect for the community.Keep whining though and keep harboring the delusions.
We have seen plenty of comments like this in last 6 years. So don’t feel special.
Wow
Things do get pretty heated here!! Being the new guy I hope I don’t rub anyone the wrong way. I’m much more eloquent in person than in writing sometimes…
Also I’ll just reiterate my point, and mods feel free to set me straight, and say that having a legitimate gripe with a moderator is really best when expressed privately. At least that’s the way I’ve found. I moderate a few boards and when the discussion turns to just solely complaining, both legitimately and not so much, about the way the board is being run I try to turn the discussion over to email. I think being overly confrontational about the way someone is running the board by commentating so that everyone can see leads to bigger problems.
You guys probably already know all of this and this being primarily a sports site I’m sure you deal with it quite a bit.
by DodgerBruin on Nov 13, 2011 12:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'd love to hear any "legitimate" arguments.
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
Maybe not the best place to discuss this
I think if you do have an honest problem with the mods and you want to have a civilized discussion about it, maybe do it privately over e-mail? I think posting misgivings like this for everyone to see tends to make you look a little petty. It really hurts any chance of people taking you seriously as well.
And in a way, I wish we were China
Then we could beat the stupid out of some of these people.
(Am I kidding?) :-D
I am currently in China
so on behalf of Chairman Mao I am offended
If we had to fully describe the people who support Rick
No matter how awful the team looks, we’d be here all day. Thus, we use Neubs to describe the type of people who have absolutely no expectations, no sense of accountability, and no brain.
CU
We could very well lose to CU. They just thrashed an Arizona team that made us look like a junior high squad on national tv. There is no safe win for this team. We can always fuck up worse than the other guy.
by Strathmore&Gayley on Nov 13, 2011 10:02 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
They did it in Boulder though on Senior Day, and it was their first P12 win of the year.
Big difference.
We could lose, but we really shouldn’t.
Since when
does logic like that apply to this team?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Well, we haven't lost at home yet except the Texas game, when we were the underdog.
As a favorite at home, we’re 3-0 so far. And we stole the ASU game as an underdog.
Obviously our play over the entire year has been erratic, but there is a marked difference in results when you compare home (4-1) vs. road (1-4) performance.
I expect to win this game, and it seems like Vegas agrees (we’re -10 right now).
I agree with you
and frankly, if we lose that game (I don’t put it past this team), Rick should just drive home.
As it is, they will likely win an ugly game against Colorado, lose badly against U$C just so they can be barely bowl eligible and give something for the Neubs to celebrate. Next year baby!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I got back from my last game of the season (24-20 win over Whittier) and picked up around the 5 minutes mark in the 2nd.
I am not even upset about this game, because I saw it coming.
There was no way we were going to win on the road against a Utah team that will end up 8-4, just look at the road record during CRN’s tenure, or his record against teams that will finish with a winning record.
Outclassed in every facet of the game. Dominated up front on both sides of the ball, Prince playing like the Houston/Texas/last season version of Prince. Insanely undisciplined and affected by the weather.
All of this is so routine at this point, I wonder why I even watch.
This season will play out like this: Next week we win UGLY against Colorado, then the traditional USC beatdown, then a UGLY bowl game in early December.
For a team that got a lot of criticism for not being up to snuff in the Pac-12, maybe UCLA is the team that should reconsider their conference alignment.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Oh I am not upset about this game at all
I am more amused now at the post game comments from last week.
Any reasonable or objective person would have taken last week for what it was.
The exception and not the rule.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Right
You have no idea the attacks we got last week for discounting those two wins. To the point we have gotten attacked on Twitter for being “Trojans” since we didn’t “appreciate” last two wins.
I just read through the comments and crazy posts throughout the week.
I understand why you moderators have to get involved when commenters get out of hand; but I just felt like CRN’s program would speak for itself.
I was not disappointed.
I honestly can’t understand how the guys like you and Tydides put up with all the crap people spew out.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Unfortunately a lot of us have experience
The mods who were around the last time we needed regime change were here for the rather violent backlash we received just for telling it like it is. That was undoubtedly worse though, since Karl was far less gracious in his exit, which only spurred the Dorrellian hordes to defend him all the more.
I can at least see some relative defense for Dorrell-apologists
When you look at what CRN has done compared to what Dorrell did, it makes no sense that CRN is here.
But, at the time, it didn’t seem like it could get worse than being consistently mediocre.
We were wrong.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I'm glad I was out of town last weekend.
Actually, kinda wish I had gone out of town this weekend instead.
I will be out of town for the SC game.
It won’t be pretty.
As we speak, I can just tell those Trojans are unsheathing their swords, barely reining in their horses ready for the bloodbath. Toledo’s last game against them traumatized me to this day. That’s why I am not returning from Thanksgiving until the following Tuesday, when the battlefields would become eerily silent, deathly quiet by then.
I hope miraculously I would hear a faint voice somewhere rejoicing Bruins’ last hurrah. We beat them AFTER ALL !!!!!!
At this point...just for entertainment's sake
couldn’t you please allow all to see any post THAT ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE LAST TWO WEEKS WERE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE? (I’M TAKING DOWN MY SECOND BOTTLE OF PINOT GRIGIO for heavens sake).
Hey, congratulations, IE Angel
A win celebrated vicariously through you is better than what we’ve seen from Bruins on the field/court lately.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
It's conceivable those Neubs do not compartmentalize ( yes, that's my perception )
between Rick the person & Rick the coach.
Everything I needed to say about Rick the person that enamored me has been said already. I still stick with it. On the other hand, Rick the coach bugs me. He is good in pregame show, talking about winning stuffs. He is also good in post game show, offering up excuses & false hopes. He is just mediocre coaching the game with the players he has.
We need a real coach in charge. Whoever that person is cannot come soon enough.
There are UCLA fans that wanted a competitve. winning sports program that goes hand in hand with our renowned academics. Then there are those UCLA fans that only wanted some fun partying at the games, win or lose, as an escape from the classroom pressures, project deadlines etc.
I know which category I belong, and understand its viability even now, years removed from being a grad student. Perhaps this is something Neubs cannot grasp.
LEAVE RICK ALONEEEE!1!!
And how fu*king dare anyone out there make fun of the neubs after what they’ve been through!! He’s lost his edge, the team is going through a breakdown, and the team had two fu*king picks and Tresey turned out to be a user, a cheater and now the team is going through an identity battle,
ALL YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT is, readers and making posts off of him, HE’S A HUMAN sob What you don’t realize is that Rick is giving you guys all these things to write about but all you guys do is write A BUNCH OF CRAP ABOUT HIM. He hasn’t won that many road games in years. He can’t meet your expectations because all you people want is MOAR MOAR MOAR MOAR MOAR!!1 sob LEAVE H1M ALONE!
You’re lucky he’s still coaching for YOU B@STARDS. LEAVE RICK ALONE1!! sob P1EASE… sob sob BN said that if Rick was a good coach he would’ve been able to win no matter what…Speaking of winning… since when does BN have the right to criticize the team when they’re having a bad time??!? LEAVE RICK ALONE!! PLEEAASASE. sob sob sob LEAVE RICK NEUHEUSIHAL ALONE, RIGHT MEOW!
I MEANT IT
Anyone who has a problem with Rick you deal with DAN, because he’s not well right now. sob sob CRYING SOB SOB
LEave hiM A1oN3…
A few numbers
20-27. He has to go 15-0 to catch CTS. I have checked with the math department. I have determined that the odds of that happening are lower than zero, which are very long odds indeed.
Only two of 27 losses by less than a touchdown. Six of 27 losses by less than 10 points. Twenty of 27 losses by two touchdowns or more. Fifteen of 27 losses by three touchdowns or more.
5-17 on the road, for a .227 winning percentage.
That’s enough for tonight.
by Fox 71 on Nov 12, 2011 7:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That enough for en entire coaching tenure
Thanks for laying it out for even a fool to see.
Ugh
I feel like I should know all those numbers and I should be numb to it by now … But reading your post just made me literally cringe. How anyone can continue to defend this guy is unreal!
I don't doubt it
They confuse loyalty with blind loyalty. If we want regime change, we must want to lose every game, right? :p
I would be thrilled to win the next two games 65-0.
Or maybe 75-0 against just$c*. Nothing would be better. Two such wins would not change the body of work, though. Coach Neuheisel really must go.
I'm glad we got this loss out of the way.
Now I can root for us in the next two games without thinking it will prolong the inevitable.
I can already see the "Now if we beat SC, no way you fire him!" threads
After all, we would have improved 3 games from last year, which equals the number of Pac 12 road games we’ve won in the last 4 years! 3 is a big number! 3 times the size of 1!
After the euphoria of 13-9
Was anyone thinking to themselves “Uh oh… this means Dorrell is coming back, isn’t he?” That kind took the wind out of my sails regarding the excitement of that victory.
So sad that wins nowadays have a inevitable “win-lose” vibe to them…
Right
I think we on the frontpage also got swept up in that win giving KD a chance. It essentially delayed the inevitable and further gutted the program. We are not going to make the same mistake again.
We gave him a chance for one game
And he blew it. Seminole County wasn’t the worst thing to take the field that day. Our Bruins were.
Well....
I convinced myself that McCourt was a good owner after the Dodgers made back-to-back NLCS’.
He turned out well.
We're not going..........
beat SC this year, the next year or the year after that, unless_____________ (fill in the blank)
Another way to look at it
15 of 47 (about a third of CRN’s total games) are losses by 3 touchdowns or more.
by TfXc79 on Nov 12, 2011 7:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Fox -- what you are missing is that
over the last three weeks, rn is 2-1. That’s right. Over the last three weeks, he’s at 67% wins.
We’ve turned the corner. And, he deserves credit and at least another year.
You can’t fire a coach who’s won .67%.
sjh
Great Stats!
Really show that they haven’t even been competitive in the CRN era. BOOO!
Fire Doughnut Dan!
Honestly, I’d bet $20 that they won’t fire him. CRN will manage to beat CU next week, become bowl eligible, promptly get blown out by SC & sneak out a W in the bowl against a crappy mid major. Thus, 7-6 record will be justifiable for the administration to keep Dan & Rick.
UCLA…strive for mediocre major athletics
by Flem on Nov 12, 2011 8:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just to clarify...
Major athletics = Football…& based on last night BBall (but hoping CBH can turn it around!)
by Flem on Nov 12, 2011 8:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oregon just goes for it on 4th and 2 from the 5 and gets a TD
Second TD on a fourth down play tonight.
I will not comment about our team in the same post as Oregon’s team. It just isn’t right.
Another Rough Weekend
Is this misery EVER going to end??? Thank God I have plenty of Coors Light in the house. I’m going to need it.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 12, 2011 7:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I honestly don't know why i bother watching anymore...
…could not believe we lost to LMU…do all the alumni need to go on campus and
just kick the shit of people for people to care?
I desperately want to see Bruins march on Morgan Center en masse…nothing is going to happen until it’s obvious ‘something’ needs to happen. Block needs to go, Donut Dan needs to go, the Rick needs to go…all the Neubs need to look in the mirror.
I don’t know why I care anymore
The problem is that Doughnut Dan and CTSS are also alumni, and they love the current regime.
We have to convince more people.
If people make ridiculous arguments that we don't have talent
An argument that has been debunked over and over again, they will be gone. We are not in the mood to tolerate stupidity and ignorance tonight.
Plus it ignores that the older, less talented guys are still getting all the PT.
Embree, Rosario, Smith, Edison, Chandler, Westgate, Harkey… all gone.
I’m eager to see the younger kids we’ve been hearing a ton about with a new coaching staff.
Despite himself, I actually thought Westgate played well tonight.
First time in a VERY long time I feel comfortable saying that.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I'll have to take your word for it.
I took the 2nd half off and just got updates from friends on gchat.
It's not like he had an All-Conference type of game or anything.
He was just one of very few players that I don’t remember missing tackles by diving past White’s legs (Larimore, Jones).
Got beat on a beautiful pass for a TD where he had solid coverage but didn’t turn his head.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
got burned badly on the TD
he wasn’t consistently terrible, but plays like that really hurt
I can't think of a starter on the defense who has been anything beyond mediocre throughout the year though.
Yet nothing changes schematically or personnel-wise. Interesting.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I think some of the trainers are pretty good.
Actually I can see Franklin and Fauria playing on Sundays (that’s actually if Franklin stops fumbling.)
Our walk-on PK has a better chance to make the CFL or NFL than most of our O-line or skill position players..
We routinely have no true consensus All-Americans…on O or D. They may be Parades when they arrive to Westwood, but become less than stellar following 5 years of the last two regimes. The 70’s-80’s-90’s produced All-Pac8/10 and All-Americans. Not that many Outland Trophy winners anymore from UCLA….
Fauria will be drafted...
Think Jimmy Graham for the Saints.
We’d see it if ucla actually threw the ball to him.
by Flem on Nov 12, 2011 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Coleman on production, Fauria on potential and Franklin as a possible (I would have had Franklin as pretty solid at the beginning of the season, but the fumbles are killing him.)
Coleman, Fauria, Franklin, Dye, Rosario.
With a lot of young guys that would develop under competent coaching.
Everyone of those guys will at least be on a practice squad in the next 3 years.
Rosario might have issues; but he is an NFL-caliber talent. 6’5" receivers do not grow on trees.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
You can't deny that if he could catch the routine passes
He’d definitely get a look at the next level.
I will leave this comment up
You asked a question that has been discussed repeatedly on BN. The fact that you are trolling in post game thread asking this question shows you haven’t followed the discussions here on BN. So don’t bring up talent excuse again.
My guess on drafted Bruins...
Coleman, Franklin, M. Jones, Fauria, Rosario, XSF, D. Jones, Owa, Marsh, Dye, McDonald, Price, Locke
Because of poor coaching others are still missing and many above are going to be drafted lower then they should be.
by Seahawcla on Nov 12, 2011 9:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
NFL
Coleman may not get drafted but will likely be in the league for years as a special teamer. I kind of doubt Rosario gets much of a sniff. He has way too much bad tape, has not been productive in college, and likely will not run that fast at the combine (if he’s even invited).
One of our players on D
who got drafted said he learned more technique just those few months with a private trainer before the draft than in his whole career at UCLA…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
It reminds me of the discussions regarding another Gold-helmeted team, Notre Dame....
They have NOT been obtaining the same caliber of players they used to routinely recruit…Things, teams, talent shifts in DI football do occur.
oh, wait, I like this for a title better....
UCLA Returns to Losing Again!
by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Nov 12, 2011 7:42 PM PST reply actions
Two years ago we were a top 10 recruiting class.
There is no way we can say our talent isn’t good. These kids need to be coached better. The game plan needs to be put in place to highlight their skills. We need to put the best players on the field and let it fly. Enough of this conservative football.
I'm going to shoot myself if we talk anymore about talent....
by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Nov 12, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Brehaut rated above the kid at just$c* coming out of high school?
Which leads me to believe that coaching has a little to do with talent development
just below
- in the westcoast
by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Nov 12, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair to RB, he had a 6:0 TD/INT ratio this season.
Just had a very fluky injury hit him at the wrong time.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
those kids, except Marsh and somewhat Riley, haven't really seen the field as starters yet.
the next couple years are theirs to shine.
and that’s what keeps my distant hope of “next year” going.
That's just how Rick coaches...
it’s his bs bias toward seniority. even if justin blackmon were at UCLA, i bet neuheisel would have stuck him on the bench
by all hail westwood on Nov 12, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Not just two years ago
We have had top-10 recruiting classes in Neuheisel’s first three years. They have not been developed. Period. Seriously people bringing up this excuse again are just trolling.
Hell, most of us would take a 3-star coach.
Or a JC transfer-caliber coach.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Rock bottom...
… has a basement.
And the basement has a cellar.
Thank god I have my ‘niners. I know some hate him but Harbs is awesome – a coach who TEACHES. I watch the ’niners this year – other then a few FAs and rooks, it’s last year’s squad – and they’re a completely transformed team. Why? Because they’ve been coached. I believe coaching has more to do with success in football than most other sports. Unfortunately, unlike Harbs, Neuheisel can’t coach/teach. It’s Lavin 2.0 – great rhetoric and great recruits and no year over year improvement – because they tell the kids WHAT to do, but notnWHY or HOW. No teaching. and because of that, here we are. In the basement.
We need a real coach – a coach who teaches. Immediately. .
There are many who agree with you.
But damn, the guy can coach. I’d rather have a guy who grates people and yet builds a winner than an affable guy who can’t teach young men how to improve.
Respectfully....I am not trolling....just have a different opinion than you...
and there is no doubt that whatever talent we do have has not been developed…that we can agree on…
Whether it's developed or not is a matter or coaching
Raw talent is on the roster. Problem is it stays raw for all four years.
"whatever talent we do have has not been developed"
That’s the issue. We have more than “whatever” talent in this team. We have documented that in painstaking details here on BN. So of course we are not going to rediscuss that all over again in a post game thread.
He has surely looked ordinary
The guy from Oklahoma State looked a lot better. Obviously Luck might look better playing against Texas Tech.
Why has Tx Tech suddenly tanked. Three weeks ago the OSU v TT game looked great on paper...
Offense v Offense. I am thinking that OSU can give OU a great game with the confidence that they are playing with right now.
Sorry, BruinDan, but you asked for it.
The problem is that they didn’t play the game on paper. They played it on the field. (Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.)
because they have a stupid AD
who is best friends with Donut Dan and Craig James. Do the math.
what are you talking about
obviously you don’t realize that James and Tech’s AD cooked up a scheme to get rid of leach because Tech didn’t want to pay his salary. Then they hired a retread coach (Tuberville) who has done worse than Leach.
Why Hire Leach?
bruin dan,
The case for Leach has been made here in many substantive posts over the past year or so.
Do you know you can search BN’s archives? Try searching on “Leach” — that’s a lot better than coming to the movie at the end and asking everyone what you’ve missed.
sjh
So you have no frame of reference here, Donny.
You’re like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know…
Weeden is really underrated.
Just like Keenum has been. (Though Houston would get torched by any team in the top 15, IMO)
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
He has been very good.
But something about a 28-year-old Heisman winner just sounds weird, just like when Weinke did it.
I'm sure they are, but they've faced a load of garbage teams even worse than us since then.
I don’t think they deserve a BCS bid even if they go undefeated, much like Tulane back in the late ’90s.
This is not 1984.
They were declared champions after beating an unranked Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.
With that schedule, they don’t deserve an at-large over, say, a 1-loss Oklahoma State whose only loss is to Oklahoma. It would be one thing if they beat UCLA by 40 points, but they’re just not at that level.
One can play the common opponent game with 1 loss VA Tech.....
UH’s wins against Marshall and E Carolina v VA Tech’s win….Given UH’s strength of schedule sucks, but they are exciting to watch when they are healthy. Their biggest problem is waking up somewhere in the mid-2nd quarter instead of say 6 straight scoring drives to start the game. I still think Oklahoma State can be beat…
difference is VA Tech and OK State have to do that every week
I’d much rather see a 1-loss BCS team than Houston who really has played nobody good. their OOC is us and garbage. if you’re a non-AQ school, you better play a real OOC schedule if you want consideration, or just hope other teams fall flat.
Houston can have fun in the Liberty Bowl.
I disagree with the notion of automatic qualifiers versus non-automatic qualifiers.
If Houston is the only other undefeated team, they should play for the championship. But selfishly, it would be good for them and Oklahoma State to go undefeated an both be shut out of the game, because that would undoubtedly fire up congress to do some legislatin’. There is so much money involved that someone will cross enough palms with enough silver that action will be taken.
With Stanford's loss, there is zero chance of OK State being undefeated and kept out of the game.
Congress can’t even tie its shoes these days, let alone talk about college football.
Non-AQs who go undefeated and play nobody in OOC don’t deserve anything, especially in garbage C-USA. If you want to play, be like Boise or TCU and play some big boys.
Yes, the Mountain West is on par...with what Conference?
BSU scheduled Georgia this year and TCU happens to be unranked. Last year’s TCU beat a good UW team in the Rose Bowl. I just like the fact that a Non-AQ school who will be switching to an even mediocre Big East or Big 12 next year gets zero Cred. I wish we could have this discussion about UCLA again someday. 1998 was a long time ago.
MWC is by far the best of the non-AQs, especially now with BSU in it.
TCU leaves next year, but Nevada and Fresno St. move over.
It’s better than the Big East, at least at the top.
A couple years ago you could easily make the argument that it was a stronger league than the Pac-10, but not with Oregon/Stanford on top these days.
Come on, hoya, you're being unfair.
“Congress can’t even tie its shoes these days, let alone talk about college football.” I saw a congressman just last week with his shoes ties. Even if he had one of his aides do the actual tying, he still had to get the feet and the shoes and the aide in the same room at the same time, and that sort of logistical coordination is why we pay them the big bucks.
Even Congress...
would not have 12 men on the field after a time out.
by TfXc79 on Nov 12, 2011 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ESPN headline predictions for today:
“OUT OF LUCK” and “UN-HAPPY VALLEY”
he's still in contention, but it's not a sure thing.
I would guess it’s him, Richardson, Moore, and Keenum. And maybe one of Sammy Watkins, RG III, or 28-year-old Weeden.
which means plenty of time for Luck to pile on some stats
because they’ll be throwing the rest of the way
Not about the W-L record
more about the whole “aroma” over our key athletic programs. Title 9 notwithstanding, the only sports that matter to alumni, fans, TV and the media are football and men’s basketball. We need student-athletes that are (1) students (2) athletes (3) play hard 100%+ of the time (4) have class (no tweets please) (5) go to class (6) are coached by the very best (yes, I know we don’t pay much…) (7) never come out flat, or give up and coaches who never complain about admissions standards (I don’t buy it).
Does anybody here have any reliable info
On the administration’s plans post season? And if they do step up and make the change (s) necessary, how do people here handicap UCLA’s ability to hire a legit HC (as opposed to a making a reach hire or settling on some assistant coach…). I’m done with the RN chat and would like to hear who might be the Bruins’ next coach.
ABC graphic just failed hard
Aaron Rodgers didn’t stay at Cal for his senior year. He left after his junior year.
ducks are digusting,
they can cause fumbles by punching it EVERY TIME
Another inexcusable "effort," but cleansing.
I had to go out but heard most of the second half fiasco. BTW Chris Roberts and Matt Stevens are horrible. Roberts can’t tell you wtf is happening and Stevens will not criticize anything as the team fails and flails.
As for the game, a moron could see Utah was spying Prince and killed the option. We had to pass, but KP for all his spunk cannot do it. Plus we never adjusted so he didn’t pass until he absolutely had to with predictable results. The kids tried but flailed on the road as usual.
The cleansing is that CRN has lost his last lifeline, the miracle South Division title. His fate should be sealed no matter what crap bowl we “attain.” He should be toast. His record is all agony and no ecstasy. His record is by far the worst in UCLA history. He should be gone with the wind.
And DG WITH HIM. This is the worst football in UCLA history by far and tonight’s debacle was one of many horrific losses in which the ineptitude of the coach was so trans
they both need to go
too, but that is secondary to getting rid of Donut Dan and RN. Donut Dan is more important; RN is already toast
No hyperbole needed, Hy
“His record is by far the worst in UCLA history.” That’s not corrrect. There are three coaches with worse records:
2008 to 2010 – Coach Toledo’s Successor’s Successor 20-27 (.425)
1919 to 1919 — Fred Cozens 2-6 (,250)
1923 to 1924 — James Cline 2-10-3 (.233)
1920 to 1922 — Harry Trotter 1-13-1 (.100)
He’s not the worst in history, just the worst in the last 92 years.
Which is the modern equivalent to one and a quarter seasons
Very good point. No one in the history of our school has lasted longer than 1 and a quarter seasons with a record like this. Yet another mathematical demonstration of why he needs to be gone tonight, or tomorrow at the latest.
Fox, I stand corrected! Thank you, my friend.
My bad. My brain cramps the madder I get. Thank God Red Sanders and Tommy Prothro are dead. They could not handle it any more than us.
The truth is I wanted CRN fired after 35-0 Stanford. The writing was on the wall then. Then the SUC game where KP threw two picks straight to the SUC linebackers and we played not to lose in a rivalry game.
But I digress. The record is clear. It speaks for itself. We have been a disgrace DG’s entire tenure. He and Ricky must go. Yesterday.
This is Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid redux
Let them both ride into the sunset after next month
yeah you neubs haters!!1
once ASU loses we’ll be back in the lead and WHAT SAY YOU HATERS THEN? 4 MORE YEARS!
the hilarious thing is that is WSU wins tonight, and we had beaten Utah
a win over Colorado would’ve clinched the South.
NEUB4LIFE
In case any if the Neubs are still holding out hope...
Rick’s post game presser was a picture of a coach that is done. Head down. Repeating every phrase he used so many times before (“I need to look at the tape”). And if this game wasn’t bad enough, what the heck was Rick doing playing Kevin during the meaningless-end-of-game time? Dude was getting crushed for no reason. Wth our basketball team’s implosion last night this is a really ugly week for Bruins.
According to AP
In another show of confidence:
It was a shocking turnaround for the Bruins, who entered on a two-game winning streak and feeling pretty good about themselves.
Ninety minutes before kickoff, a pair of UCLA offensive linemen could be found playing shirtless in the snow, tossing wobbly passes around like school kids. Not to be outdone, up to a dozen Utah players began warming bare-chested a few minutes later, large flakes falling all around them and starting to stick.
Rick should now be fired, no question about it.
I feel for the guy, returning to the spot of his old glory days, hoping to turn them back into a superpower…and failing miserably in the process. Because yes, that’s what he’s done. He’s failed. It’s official now. Even with (long-shot) wins over Colorado and $uc, he’s done; no way do we beat Oregon in the Pac-12 title game, or even lose by less than 30. This is the death knell. I am now fully on the side of the majority here.
Me during game:
False start (facepalm), false start (face palm), holding (remoteTVscreen), 12 men in the huddle (fingerTemple), pick 6 (headOven).
Fortunately, I was talked out of it by my guardian angel Clarence, who reminded me that “every time a penalty flag falls, a coach earns his pink slip.”
OT: caught the Navy-SMU game, and was comforted to find out that we’re the not the only Adidas fashion victims. SMU had the same ill-fitting, rubbery, cheap-ass, badly designed knockoffs with the gaping arm holes that we currently sport, only in red this time. That’s what happens when your AD throws away his leverage and signs on to be an Adidas afterthought.
Its Tough
I hate to see my team lose, but knowing it could be the end of this debacle of mis-managment called UCLA football, I am looking forward to a regime change. When it really matters, Neuheisel’s teams perform their poorest. What is sad is we may have some really talented players and would not even know it because they are not given a chance to succeed.
Major Sports
Nothing like washing down last night’s debacle with today’s abomination. Who says AD Guerrero does not yield consistent results?
From Last week--
“While I usually find myself nodding in agreement
with everything gbruin writes, I am not quite so at home with his unrelenting desire to dump Rick. In my own mind, last year didn’t happen (because of the devasting loss of so many key players to injury, etc.), so this is really year three of the Neuheisel Era. Even then, his record is not so hot, and that loss to Zona rankles plenty. But I have to state the obvious: whatever the opinion of the great majority of BN contributors may be, the coach has not lost the team. They came back, they played with spirit and, improbably, given all the events of the fourth quarter, they won. I see actual growth and real improvement. Of course, it could all be an illusion and vanish in an instant if we don’t show up and beat Utah. Or it could be real, and the past was only prologue.”
Good Grief.
Boy, am I glad I missed the second half
Watching that first half was painful. The second half should be banned as torture under the Geneva Conventions./
Question
The aftermath of the beatdown at the hands of Southern Cal—will THAT be the nadir or have we reached it? In other words, does each week compound the damage or are we like the Israelites in Egypt, waiting for redemption?
WTF?
so i was at the pub last night after my game, and another assistant coach asked about UCLA. i laughed and said take utah and give whatever points they’re giving…
today my wife asked if i wanted to go dress shopping today or watch the game. sure enough i went shopping…
in my “let’s not get carried away” post after the asu win, i said
i’m just saying we need asu to choke again, because, well, i don’t feel so hot about us going to utah…
how on earth any neub could still have his back after ’zona and now utah is absurd.
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
The Arizona loss keeps looking worse
and so does the ASU win.
A competent coach could have won the pac12 south easily
Troy is burning
by bruinbasketball on Nov 12, 2011 10:33 PM PST reply actions
wasted chances
You are exactly right, Rick apologists will say that he is keeping us in the hunt. Anyone with eyes knows that the South should have been ridiculously easy pickings this year.
We would have sealed this RIGHT F-ING NOW
If we had a competent coach. Seriously. We would have secured a berth in the title game as of now if we weren’t so bad. Chew on that for a while. It blows the mind.
wow
ASU win doesn’t look so impressive. Also, the Pac-12 title game will be bad regardless of whether it’s us or ASU, or I guess Utah even has a chance now
We can still "win" the South?
Perhaps they need to reshuffle the divisions, or at least rename them:
North: Leaders
South: Losers.
USC will be pumped to keep us out of the title game
that is their bowl game
Troy is burning
by bruinbasketball on Nov 12, 2011 10:54 PM PST reply actions
What's the tiebreaker
If Utah, UCLA, and ASU are all tied (which is becoming possible at this point)?
The way these things usually go
It’d be record against the next worst team after that, but if SUC is ineligible, do they count? Or will they skip them and go to Arizona? It’s a clusterfuck either way because the South is so ridiculously bad.
Yes
But I think Utah has the easiest remaining schedule, and would not be surprised to see them win both.
ASU plays both games at home.
Keep that in mind, given that nobody other than Oregon and Stanford can win a damn road game.
well 6-8 assumes a bowl loss
you’d be 6-6, get crushed by Oregon to be 6-7, then hope all .500 or above teams are in bowls (the only way a 6-7 team gets in), and then you can go bowling and lose.
hence…. 6-8.
I thought you had to have a .500 season
The Pac 12 title game doesn’t count in the tally? I’m legitimately curious about this, because that sounds really messed up.
Got it
It sounds legitimate, and I’ll bet that’s not a scenario the people the drafted the rules even remotely considered. “what kind of team is going to be .500 and make their conference’s title game? Don’t be ridiculous!”
HELLO MEDIOCRITY!
and now that there are 7,384 bowl games including the Meineke Car Care of Texas Bowl
it actually seems like a possibility. maybe not probable, but the possibility is keeping me incredibly entertained.
The Meineke Car Care one is hilarious.
First there was the Meineke Car Care Bowl in North Carolina.
Now, as of this season, that’s known as the Belk Bowl.
So Meineke said, “Fuck this, we want a bowl game still.”
So they sponsored the Texas Bowl.
But they were probably like, “Man, I hope people don’t confuse us with the old game in North Carolina. How can we distinguish ourselves?”
And thus the Meineke Car Care of Texas Bowl was formed.
At least that’s how I picture it.
I mean, shit. I'm here at 11:30pm on a Saturday.
Clearly you are interrupting my Saturday night plans.
My friends are tired of hearing about my griping about Bruin athletics on Saturdays
They haven’t said so explicitly, but hell, I’d be tired of it. I blame this on Dan.
Same. Even my UCLA friends.
There are a few go-to people from college and law school to whom I go to vent, because they are at my obsession level.
According to my SBN profile, it was Hallowen 2009.
I lurked and probably trolled under other usernames before that though. (And by probably, I mean definitely.)
I've always **winced** when a certain moderator has
used the pejorative “donahue-esque” to describe some failing of Dorrell or Neuheisel. What say you?
Um, I don't know
I’m way too far gone after the Utah game to coherently respond to that kind of stuff.
Well, I was a kid in the 90s when all we did was beat USC every damn time. I started at UCLA in '01.
So my recollection of Donahue is a bit different than those who’ve been around longer.
And when you're a kid growing up in the LA area, beating USC every damn time was pretty sweet.
And definitely good enough to elevate you into deity status.
I still worship at the altar of Cade McNown and Ed O’Bannon.
Donahue-esque=
Play not to lose instead of playing to win. Conservative game management. Contentment with conference titles instead of NC’s. Look at the number of ties he had in his career. Sadly, I would gladly trade the Donahue years for the current (10 years) state of affairs. Even in those days as a child and young man I was pissed that his teams never seemed prepared for the beginning of seasons, thus losing early and never being in contention for national honors. Yet they often, especially in te 80’s, were one of the best teams in the country by years end. Nuf sed.
The depths we find ourselves in now.........
are NO COMPARISON TO ANY OTHER ERA in UCLA Football history. I just get a bit rankled when Donahue gets thrown in with those two, it’s wrong.
I think the Donahue-esque is in reference not to record, but to management style.
I honestly wasn’t old enough to comprehend game management when Donahue was around, but it seems to be the prevailing opinion that he was an uber conservative game manager, much like RN and KD.
Eh, the records, the All-Americans, the record against top programs...
there is not a whiff of comparison.
Of course.
But style of play—not to mention the business aspect—has changed dramatically in college football in the last 10-15 years, so I think therein lies the desire to see UCLA move into the 21st century.
Clearly there is no comparison in terms of accomplishment.
Certainly. We want the same thing. W's and lots of 'em.
Next week? We have NO IDEA what we’re gonna get. That was NEVER the case before.
Vegas has actually had us pegged pretty well.
Maybe not on the point spreads, but it seems like we’ve won as the favorite every time and lost as the underdog every time except ASU and Cal.
They had us as underdogs at Houston, at Arizona, and at Utah.
You expected UCLA to have a chance to win because we had such great players, year in and year out
…sure, it didn’t always happen, but we never sunk anywhere close to THIS.
Yeah. It seems like the general consensus is that UCLA has fallen behind the curve.
Programs like Oregon were perennial doormats for decades until they started investing heavily in college football. UCLA has not matched that investment—in funding for coaches, marketing, facilities, etc.
You could get away with doing things that way in the 70s and 80s because SoCal is such a hotbed of talent. However, times have changed, especially given the proliferation of cable TV and the internet, that have eroded UCLA’s natural advantages.
I think the term means that the perception is UCLA still has a '70s-'80s mentality
to running a 2011 college football program.
I’m not trying to justify it, but merely to explain. Like I said, I don’t know enough about the Donahue era to have a developed opinion.
Fair Enough.
Do you know what the score at halftime was in 1980 when UCLA opened the season (at the Coliseum) against Colorado?
which is why it makes me sad that there is a generation of kids
out there who have no idea UCLA used to be pretty damn good at football.
anytime, I’m out. I’m sure we’ll be back to RAGE on Tuesday for the MTSU game.
Foolish Hope
How fooilish I was to think to that the team was starting to turn that corner and we could possibly win out our remaining games. Instead RN has shown he’s not the person to lead this team back to prominence, Dan Guerrero does not know how to hire a football coach. How many more embarassing losses can you tolerate?.
I've been doing math homework
Are we still tied for first after that game? Am I trippin out? did asu get smacked by wazzu? lolwtf we’re beating SC at the mausoleum after we make some buffalo patties and off to Eugene! yeeeeyyyuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Why didn't I recognize it before . . .
. . . sheer brilliance on behalf of AD Dan. This weekend’s “money sports” performance is just the latest step in Dan’s master plan. A move so bold, so innovative, and so targeted to rocket Bruin sports to the top of the competition without spending another dime on coaching talent, arenas, or expensive marketing. It’s a wonder that none of us saw this coming, but genius, sheer genius.
Next week, AD Dan (ADD Dan?) announces UCLA’s upcoming move. . .to the Mountain West Conference. “Now we’ll finally get that coveted shot at the Holiday Bowl, every year.”
The Mad Bruin
A bit OT
But what was the weather like in Boulder yesterday? Three low-altitude, warm weather (and crappy) football teams travel to high-altitude venues where the weather could have influenced the quality of play, or lack thereof, and lose to another poor team. Not saying it changed any outcomes, but who thought adding Utah and Colorado was a GOOD idea?
Fire CRN.
I said it. Rip the band-aid and start over.
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