Moving On: Why UCLA Needs to Change the Football Regime Now
In recent days - before the Utah debacle - we had noticed chatter in the comment threads here and in other Bruin online communities expressing the sentiment that the Bruins should consider giving Rick Neuheisel another shot for next season if he somehow manages to beat Southern Cal and eek into a lower tier bowl game. While the latest unacceptable performance may have silenced the Neubs for now, I have no doubt they will pop up as soon as the Bruins scrap a win against a pretty bad Colorado program and somehow find a way to pull out a miraculous upset against Southern Cal (anything can happen in that game). Yes, the Bruins can still somehow managed to back into the Pac-12 championship game because of how terrible the "Pac-12 South" really is and we have no doubt in that scenario there will be last ditch effort by the Neubs to continue the ongoing nightmare for at least one more season.
The argument (more like the sentiment) is very similar to the ones expressed by stalwarts from Dorrell and Lavin camps back in the day, who kept talking about "monster" and "big" UCLA seasons that never materialized for either coaches. Bruins should have fired Dorrell even after 13-9 and 7 win regular season in 2006. They should have fired Lavin even after the Bruins went to Sweet-16 after another horribly underachieving season in 2001. Instead both times the UCLA administration succumbed to the charade of a "short term" success by holding on to coaches who were not getting it done based on the overwhelming datapoints in their collective body of work. As a result of the UCLA administration taking the easy way out, both of those programs continued to go downhill, resulting in talent gutted rosters from downward trajectory in the recruiting trail. In Lavin's case the program collapsed. While in Dorrell's case the program meddled through another mediocre season ending up with depleted rosters with not much talent on both side of the field (you can go through the archives and find out the terrible shape both our defensive and offensive front lines were in when current coaching regime took over the program).
So four years into Neuheisel's program we are once again facing similar fork in the road. UCLA is struggling through second consecutive disappointing season under Neuheisel. We gave him a mulligan for his first year. His second year showed some sign of life before the team completely collapsed down the stretch last season. This season has been a total disaster to date except for some flashes of competence against average to below average competition within the conference. The pieces were in place for Neuheisel to make a run this season. He was set up with a more than manageable schedule that drew the easier competition from the states of Oregon and Washington. Instead we have been treated with yet another inconsistent and mediocre football season that has not lived up to our baseline expectations.
We have mentioned repeatedly that we have moved on beyond Neuheisel. No matter what will transpire rest of this season, we are not going to be changing our minds with regards to the need for change in leadership for UCLA football. Now we are going to offer up more points on why it is more important than ever for UCLA to change regime even if Neuheisel is able to finish the season on a "feel good note" with a schedule that features games against two of the weakest programs (at this time) from the already pedestrian Southern Division.
We believe UCLA is at a crucial time in its football history. If Bruins let go of Neuehisel they should be able to bring in a top flight football coach, who will be in position to leverage available talent into big seasons next year, and reignite our recruiting efforts. However, if Bruins decide to stick with Neuheisel, the odds point to yet another unfulfilling, up and down season, which will further downgrade the recruiting prospects of a program, which has already been on a downward trajectory since the collapse from last season. UCLA's 2012 class to date is only ranked 40th in the nation. UCLA's 2011 class was ranked 56th nationally, after it had hauled in classes that ranked 8th (2010), 5th (2009), and 10th (2008) in previous years. This trend is pointing towards the wrong direction and it will continue that way if we have ourselves another Neuheiseilan season in 2012. There is also precedence nationally for letting go off coaches, even if they met bare minimum expectations of bowl eligibility in programs that were perceived to be sagging or on downward trends. Let's share those examples and some other pivotal facts concerning our roster, underscoring the need for a change in our football program now.
Here are some major examples of how some national programs had decided to make changes even after their coaches had put together bowl-eligible seasons:
- Michigan 2010: Michigan Wolverines (I just like saying the nickname because it's cool) fired R-Rod despite finishing the regular season 7-5. Michigan could have taken the easy way out by keeping R-Rod in and let him bring in a new defensive coordinator. They didn't want any of it as they had seen enough. To be fair RRod had gotten himself into hot water as Michigan was hit with NCAA violations for the first time in their illustrious program history during this flawed reign.
- UCLA 2007: Do I really need to go into detail for this example? UCLA fired Karl Dorrell in 2007 in a season in which the Bruins finished 6-6. What folks do not remember is during that year Dorrell actually had a chance just (just like Neuheisel does now) to back into the Rose Bowl. Yes, in 07 UCLA needed to beat Southern Cal and needed Arizona to beat ASU, to get into the Rose Bowl in that last week. ASU ended up squeaking be Arizona and Southern Cal beat UCLA. Dorrell was finally thankfully gone.
- Arkansas 2005:Although Arkansas didn't technically "fire" Houston Nutt, he had to "resign" under pressure even after an 8-5 season. Arkansas ended up pouncing on Bobby Petrino, and methodically established themselves as one of the powers in the SEC.
- Florida 2004:Florida fired Ron Zook in mid-season in 2004 even though the Gators won 7 gameswhich included a 3 game win streak to close out regular season. Even more interestingly, their last win was against rival FSU in Tallahassee. Florida didn't care that the Gators had a team that was "good enough" to win 7 something games and beat in-state rival. Their standard was much higher. They got rid of Zook in mid-season when it became clear that he wasn't going to usher in long term success. So they decided to pounce by canning Zook in mind-season and then locking on Urban Meyer. The rest is history.
- UCLA 2002: As has been well chronicled here on BN, Dan Guerrero fired Bob Toledo at the end of 2002 season in which the Bruins finished with a record of 7-5. This was also another year in which the fired UCLA coach was in "Rose Bowl contention" till the last weeks. UCLA needed to beat Southern Cal and Washington State, and needed a Wazzu loss to Washington to get into the Rose Bowl, even though the Bruins were mediocre that year. WSU ended up losing to Washington, but Southern Cal humiliated UCLA at the Rose Bowl, and then Bruins essentially laid down against the Cougs at the Rose Bowl. Toledo was fired. I am not going to link up here but Guerrero fired Toledo by using now infamous reasoning of our team not "firing out" every game. Toledo finished with a record of 50-31 (.617).
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Georgia 2000: Bulldog's current head coach Mark Richt's predecessor - Jim Donnan - had a record of 59-40 (.678 winning percentage). While he started 5-6, he followed his first season with records of 10-2, 9-3, 8-4 and 8-4. Donnan won 4 straight bowl games and finished in top-20 every year (note under Neuheisel UCLA hasn't even spent one week in to-25). That kind of performance would have earned him life time contracts from Murphy Hall and Morgan Center. Here is the catch though. Donnan never won the SEC and never won the "World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party," the Dawgs' annual showdown with Florida. So after 4 years Donnan was gone.
- Southern Cal 2000:The Paul Hackett example from 2000 is not as on point but is still worth mentioning that the Trojans canned Hacket even though he had just beaten us for the second year in a row in the form of a 38-35 win at the Rose Bowl. That winning streak is noteworthy because it was after we had run off that epic 8 game streak. The Trojans had seen enough though as the product on the field was inconsistent and at the time Bob Toledo had the upper hand in LA's recruiting circle. So the Trojans made their moved and settled on Cheatey Petey, who was their third or fourth choice after Garrett struck out with Mike Riley, Mike Bellotti, and Dennis Erickson. Carroll ushered in a cheating stained "golden" era, which made the Trojan faithful happy, but more importantly changed the dynamics in LA thanks to UCLA's awful decision to go with Karl Dorrell.
What has Neuheisel done in comparison to the fired coaches mentioned above? (thanks to Fox71 for looking up some of these quick data)"
- Rick Neuheisel as of now has an overall record of 20-27. He has to go 15-0 to catch Karl Dorrell. Karl FREAKING Dorrell.
- Only two of Neuheisel's 27 losses by less than a touchdown. Six of 27 losses by less than 10 points.
- 20 of 27 losses by two touchdowns or more.
- 15 of 27 losses by three touchdowns or more.
- Neuheisel's Pac-12 record is an abysmal 12-23, which includes a 0-3 record against Southern Cal.
- UCLA total road record under Neuheisel is 5-17, for a .227 winning percentage.
- UCLA's conference road record under Neu is 3-18. Those 3 wins came against a winless Washington team, a horrific Washington State team and this year's terrible Oregon State. Those 3 teams have a combined record of 3-30.
Now in terms of the examples above, some newbies, who may not be well versed in UCLA's football past may laugh at the referencing of programs like Florida and Arkansas. Here is a flashback to just 2 years ago when ESPN identified UCLA as the 16th most prestigious football program in the country, putting us right behind LSU, Georgia and Florida, and ahead of programs such as Auburn, Clemson, Arkansas, and Colorado. Just 5 years ago UCLA was ranked above Florida, Miami, FSU, Georgia, Auburn, LSU etc. when it came to all time AP rankings. The last 10 years have been a dark and gloomy period of UCLA and it has resulted in a generation of Bruin fans, who never got to appreciate the standing of our program in college football hierarchy. So I get why people may frown on providing precedents referencing schools like Florida and Arkansas, but as you can see if you guy by overall history, the references make perfect sense.
In addition to the examples above, there is urgency in terms of maintaining the flow of talent in our program. I wrote above how UCLA's recruiting has already on a downward trajectory. If you go through our roster the concern will become even more apparent. Our roster is going to be favored with seniors and juniors next couple of season, with not the same level of talent waiting in the wings.
Kevin Prince and Richard Brehaut are going to be seniors next season. Behind them we have Brett Hundley and some walk-ons (we don't have any QB lined up in this year's class. At TB, Derrick Coleman is gone. Next year we will have Johnathan Franklin and Malcolm Jones (who still hasn't gotten much of a chance) as upperclassmen. Anthony Barr's talent has been under utilized. Behind them except for Jordon James we don't have any youngsters of comparable talent who are going to be in our roster as freshmen and sophomore next year.
At WR/TE Joe Fauria is going to be a senior along with Randall Carroll, and Jerry Johnson. Shaq Evans and Ricky Marvray are going to juniors. Devin Lucien is going to be the only underclassmen, who has the potential to emerge as a gamebreaking playmaker at this spot. Jerry Rice Jr. could be a dependable option along with Raymond Nelson, but we need lot more.
At the OL spot we are going to have lots of seniors/juniors next season (Jeff Baca Jr, Al Cid, Chris Ward, Greg Capella, and XSF (!)). These guys should be good, but we are going to need more recruits this year and next year to keep the OL stocked.
On defense the situation is going to be pivotal as Datone Jones, Damien Holmes, Luta Tepa and Dononvan Carter are going to be seniors and Cassius Marsh, Seali'i Epenesa, Keenan Graham, and Owa Odighizuwa are going to be juniors. At LB at first look only Aramide Olaniyan and Eric Kendricks are going to be the sophomores backing up a core of seniors and juniors. The DB situation is even scarier as Sheldon Price, Aaron Hester, Ty Abbott, and Dalton Hilliard are going to be all seniors (assuming Tony Dye is going to take a medical redshirt this season as well). Dietrich Riley, Stan McKay and Brandon Sermons are going to be juniors.
So it looks like we are going to be set next year and okay for another two years, but we are going to be in huge trouble if we don't cash in with BCS bowl run next year and leverage that into big recruiting hauls in next 2 seasons. Right now the Bruins have one of those rare opportunities to make the right move and get a coach, who can help us shake loose from the culture of malaise and underachievement that has doomed this program in last 10 years. If Bruins can bring in a Ben Howland caliber coach, he will have a great shot to win the Pac-12 South, put together a top-10 recruiting class, and build on it. The schedule is going to be favorable next season and the opening will be there with departures of Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley. Recruiting experts such as Scott Kennedy of Scout.com agree with the argument about a new coach coming in and jump starting our recruiting, leveraging our loaded roster next season.
We are grateful to Neuheisel for injecting some life in our program and resurrecting recruiting in his first three years, but he has not gotten it done on the field. If Neuheisel finishes the season with 7 to 8 wins and a victory over Southern Cal, against one of the easiest and most manageable schedule in recent history, it will be an underachievement. Oh don't laugh. 7 to 8 total wins are still technically possible if we want to humor the Neubs. It will not wash away the humiliating defeats that have already stained this season. It will also not generate a lot of energy on the recruiting trail, going into yet another make or break season. Keeping Neuheisel or another bad hire means another decade of mediocrity or worse and quite possibly a football program like Kentucky or Indiana. That is unacceptable.
There is another thing to consider. If UCLA lets go of Neuheisel this season, it mayl not have a lot of major competition in the market for landing a good coach. Georgia Bulldogs will likely retain Mark Richt now. North Carolina is going to be riddled with sanctions. Arizona is not in the same class as UCLA when it comes to the stature of its program.There is now a vacancy at PSU but that head coaching position in "Happy Valley" will be haunted for a while. Perhaps there will be an opening at OSU, if the Buckeyes don't win the Big-10. In that case they will let the interim coach go and they will make serious runs at Urban Meyer, but that will be the extent for market completion for an elite first tier coach. Never will the Bruins have a better opportunity to go after big name coaches with a stocked roster and the market to themselves.
As described above, last time UCLA was in the same situation to cut loose a failing coach it took the easy route by holding on to mediocre to bad football coaches in Lavin and Dorrell, and in turn paid dearly through more disastrous seasons and further gutting of those programs.
We expect UCLA to pounce on the opportunity this time around. Anything less will be unacceptable. It will create a toxic atmosphere filled with cynicism, distrust and more devastatingly apathy heading into next football season. We sure hope Chancellor Gene Block is not going to be foolish enough to let his athletic department make the same mistake in previous two situations. This third time needs to be a charm.
GO BRUINS.
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Spot on, N.
Great analysis with the appropriate facts to back it up. Johnson can finish out the string as interim coach and. in the meantime, we can re-energize the program by using some of this new TV money to secure and proven winner at head coach.
All we need is an administration that cares . . .
I think
I’d prefer Bob Palcic as the interim coach bc Palcic is not going to be interested in being the head coach. But Johnson would be fine.
Either way if UCLA athletics wanted to do it the right way, they’d make their decision public by tomorrow. One option would be to give Neuheisel the choice to finish out this season (like other programs have done) so that the players can be “inspired” to send him on a happy note.
Agree about Palcic.
And, since RN is a Bruin, I’d also be OK with letting him finsih out the season (like Houston Nutt).
by orlandobruin on Nov 14, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yea
Has UCLA ever fired a coach midseason? I remember when they let KD go, they fired him before the bowl game but still waited until the last regular season game. I wish they would hurry and shoot this dying horse but I just don’t think fat ass Donut Dan will do anything until after the SUC game..
Not fired, but
one of the Sanders’ replacements (George Dickerson? I don’t think it was Bill Barnes) stepped down in the middle of a season once. IIRC, that led to J. Thompson Prothro’s hiring.
The Mad Bruin
Sequence
I believe it went Sanders, Dickerson, Barnes, Prothro, Vermeil, Donohue, et. al…..
Mensgym
Dickerson was interim coach for three games in 1958 following Red Sanders' death.
He was strictly an interim coach, and I don’t have him on my list of UCLA head coaches (nor do I have Coach K.) (This info from Wikipedia, but it looks correct.)
Dickerson not interim coach
Dickerson and Barnes were both on Sanders’ staff. Sanders died in August 1958 just before practice started. Dickerson was named head coach. He had serious health problems and after 3 games he resigned being replaced by Barnes. Barnes was fired after the 1964 season and Prothro, who was at Oregon State and was a former Sanders offensive assistant became the head coach
by bruin1818 on Nov 14, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
He won't
Fire him until after SC. Why? Because he is still hoping we get to the championship game and give him cover for not firing the coach. Sadly I think Rick still has support from Dan. I don’t think that Dan will do anything smart in this case. Rick will just twist in the wind to the bitter end.
yep
i was about to post the same thing. Rick won’t be fired at least until we’re out of the running for the Rose Bowl (LOL)…meaning after USC. It’s dumb, and incredibly short-sighted, but hey, isn’t that how Dan usually operates?
by bucknellbruin on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Great reminder
I’m glad you dug up that ESPN article about UCLA football…not that I like using tWWL as a source however…BUT
In the media vacuum that is UCLA football, the reality is that we were a relevant football power at one time. It’s so easy to lose sight of that fact after 10 years of downward spiraling mediocrity…thanks for linking to that one N.
Since 1965
UCLA has finished the season in the top 20, 20 times, and in the top 10, 9 times. Since 1998…ranked only ONCE!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Rick needs to go but.....
Guerrero’s still going to be the one to select his replacement. I would be truly joyful should DG be fired as well, but I just dont see that happening.
So DG is going to go with some vanilla retread…hard not to be depressed…
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Nov 14, 2011 7:07 AM PST reply actions
Nestor, you lost me at . . .
. . . ’miraculous upset of $C."
It pains me to say it, but this bunch has Z-E-R-O chance of beating the Trogans. Nada. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Won’t happen. Only half of them push themselves, and the conservative play calling that Rick is famous for will doom them on 11/26.
The Mad Bruin
lol
I have always given ourselves a chance in that game. I have always been fired up for it. This year I just won’t care much. And just when you stop caring, I can see them pulling out a freak upset. We are setting the record straight now that even if that upset happens (which will give rise to the Neubs all over again), UCLA will need to make changes. It’s one reason why they should announce their decision to make the change now.
Ground already covered, but . . .
. . . let’s walk through the scenario. An ugly win next weekend for the last home game. A Freeman McNeil, Karl Morgan, Barnes-to-Stokes, Eric McNeal freakish event occurs (won’t happen – bank it), and this team at 7-5 wins the right to be liquified in Eugene on 12/2. The lasting impression that another epic pasting would leave on the country ought to clinch the canning, but what would it do to recruiting – a third pasting on National teevee in the same season? Might need to hire Meyer AND Leach at that point. Sickening prospect.
The Mad Bruin
Great post, thank you
I completely agree with everything you wrote here (except maybe the confidence that we can beat those cheaters across town to end this season).
Unfortunately, I seriously doubt UCLA fires anyone mid season. DG is the bigger problem here and he is still going to be the decision maker on Neu’s replacement which doesn’t bode well for us. You have to wonder which UCLA alum is secretly being considered already if DG is “forced” to pull the trigger.
The worst part for me is, I don’t think DG is in any danger of losing his job and I question whether any new coach (Urban Meyer, Chris Petersen, Mike Leach, whomever) could succeed under the shell support of our current athletic administration. The whole thing just stinks. It is why we need to remain unified and vocal as a community in our goals.
by DoubleTroubleBruin on Nov 14, 2011 7:23 AM PST reply actions
I think
We can keep pushing for changes on two tracks. I haven’t really developed this line of thinking yet. So tell me what you think here.
First, I think DG can “buy himself some time” if he takes decisive action re. Neuheisel and then bring in a first tier head coach (we will know when he is hired). If DG brings in a first tier head coach and then take further definitive actions wrt to improvement of facilities (Odysseus has been doing some incredible blogging on this) showing UCLA’s total commitment to football by this spring, I could see BN giving DG some time.
However, if DG fails to take any of the steps mentioned above, the all out relentless pressure is going to remain on him from this community. Of course this may turn off few folks. But given how much this community is growing – it is clear to us that majority of UCLA alums/students/fans (online) are with us. The heat will stay on and only grow.
Just thinking this out for now. We would love to hear others feedback on this as well. Thanks.
I wish DG would fall up into his NCAA dream job already
Until then, he’s not going anywhere.
On the fence...seeing is believing
DG doesn’t have it in him. As a bureaucrat his natural inclination is to do nothing…until events and/or circumstances dictate that no other possible course of action remains…
If DG felt threatened or that he was in that preverbal rock and hard place then he might move….but if Block has told him that he’s safe…meh, DG won’t move til after the Conference Championship.
I concur that if he acted swiftly and decisively to remove RN and hire, for sake of example, the Pirate…than I would be inclined to agree…except that moment for me was after the embarrassment in Arizona.
Like RN I want DG living on borrowed time…not burrowed in like a tick.
by GemCityBruin on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
DG doesnt have the balls
to hire Urban Meyer, even if figured out a way to pay him what he needs or if Meyer decided he needed the challenge and would take the job at lower pay.
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Nov 14, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
Why would Meyer
want to come to UCLA at a lower salary? He will follow the paycheck if he comes back.
Everyone follows their paycheck, you and I included.
This is not to say that, for some reason unbeknown to us, Urban Meyer would astonish pundits and sign with UCLA. We all hope so. But if the main issue has to do with money, I cannot fault him.
It was only once in a life time, or perhaps once in the history of human beings that UCLA had COACH for only thirty some grands.
There is NO REASON why we couldn't hire Meyer.
With the new Pac-12 revenue package, U.C.L.A. could afford to pay Urban Meyer $6,000,000 per year and still see a MASSIVE increase in revenues.
U.C.L.A. is sitting on a mound of cash… Will we invest in our premier revenue program or will we just milk the system like Donald Sterling?
by beanandcheeseburrito on Nov 14, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Leach Has the Strength, Charisma and Out-of-Box Approach to Life
To avoid the mediocrity and develop a constituency that supports a strong program.
One need not go head-to-head with Guerrero to succeed and Leach has a track record of going his own way without confrontation UNTIL Tech and it’s three wealthy alums and ESPN went head-to-head with him.
I’m sure Meyer and Petersen would be strong enough to go their own ways, too — should DG remain.
I think it is in DG’s self interest to run the risk of bringing in a stronger HC who will succeed, immediately. If he is not fired and gets to make the choice, he will be on weak ground — another bad hire will seal the deal.
sjh
The more I learn about Leach the more I like him
Thanks to 66 for being so relentless in the pitch.
by DoubleTroubleBruin on Nov 14, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Leach...
…would be a fine solution to our “problem.”
I’ve ordered his book…the excerpts were compelling.
by GemCityBruin on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I just don't believe that Attorney at Law, Rick Neuheisel will go easily... especially
if he has a modicum of success on his way out (Beat Buffalos, Buffalo the Trojans). No way that dude just concedes his dream job without aggressively fighting back. He will jockey, position, argue, fight like hell, to at least finish his contract (“C’mon guys, I already have a contract in place, it’s not over, it’s too costly to change, and I’ve got all these kids on deck to came on account of me, and the pistol, including next years starting QB, Brett Hundley. Don’t kick me to the curb like the Huskies did.”) .
Crazy talk? I don’t think so. Chancellor Block is already prone to consider short term success, not to mention the “high priority” the athletic department is to him (not). Do you guys notice that Rick Neuheisel is oh so careful to always say the exact right things, in front of every camera, every chance he gets. Never any outburts. That’s called meticulously building a public case. I believe that GuError, and Blockhead are actually hoping like heck that Rick can provide some on-th-field sunshine to make going with a 5th year easier. Folks, we’re looking at the Curious Case of Rick Neuheisel, Not Your Typical Football Coach. I mean, c’mon, how many coaching terminations can go-along-to-get-along Dan “I’mHeadedToTheNCAA” Guerror really stomach.
Now, if talks and buy-outs are already being discussed behind closed doors… great! If Rick (and or his wife and family) are tired of the stress, hot-seat, public ridicule… cool. But, if by some stretch, we think DG is gonna have the intestinal fortitude to say That’s It Your Fired, well… I guess time will tell. I don’t see Murphy Hall and Morgan Center pulling that trigger. Not against Rick Neuheisel.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
Quick reminder of Dan's words immediately following the Disaster in the Desert
“I don’t know why anyone would think that we would pull the trigger like that. My philosophy on early terminations may be different then some. That’s not to say I disrespect anyone else that makes a decision they have to make. Every situation is a little bit different. In our case, we have a coach who is working hard, assistant coaches who are working hard, kids are doing their best. Obviously we didn’t have the outcome we wanted to day. We got thumped pretty good. We knew we were coming into a stadium that was intense, knew their team was gong to be motivated. We needed to come in and match that and we didn’t do it today. We get a shot next week. I want to see us come out this week and practice hard and have a great game against Cal. I have a lot of respect for the coaching profession, and obviously Rick is a great Bruin. I brought him in here to turn this program around, and obviously we’re still very much a work in progress. But we get another shot next week, and I want to see how we do.”
There it is. Here
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
The Highly Measured, Super Delivered Words of Rick Neuheisel:
"We can’t go backward," Neuheisel said. "We can’t have penalties. We can’t miss open receivers. We have to play better. Until we do, we’re going to be at this level where we keep hanging. We have to kick through to become the team we’re capable of being."
N, rightfully called them empty. I think they have the fullness that the AD and Chancellor love hearing.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
I would bet that in his set of personal priorities, being a Bruin trumps being a lawyer
so, I do not anticipate a fight if he is terminated. Will he walk away from his buyout? I doubt it. But I don’t think he will cause a fuss.
He is not deliberately trying to hurt his school. I have no doubt he is working hard. He’s just not getting the job done.
His law degree did not strip him of his honor and respect for his school.
When he is told to leave, he will leave.
I retain hope that he will leave on his own.
sjh
critical opportunity
We are at a critical juncture, there are a lot of open spots at desirable D-1 schools, if we miss the chance to bag a big name coach, we’ll be on the hunt for “the next Karl Dorrell” next year. As much as that would please Dan Guerrero because he is a no sense ass clown, I think the UCLA community should be VEHEMENTLY against missing out on the Mike “Leachstakes”. This is a realignment year, after next year the possibility for upward mobility is zilch.
by Strathmore&Gayley on Nov 14, 2011 8:55 AM PST reply actions
Big Names, yes
Desireable, No
N just laid out why those big names aren’t very desireable right now.
I’d even add tOSU who just got slapped with a “failure to monitor” charge.
A serious case can be made for UCLA being the most desireable coaching vacancy this year. We have to take advantage of this while we can.
Brace for a fight
because if UCLA beats Colorado (IF), and when it loses to Southern Cal, we will still be bowl eligible. And Danny Boy is just itching for that excuse, yearning for that mediocre achievement so that he can justify bringing Rick back next year. If the majority of donors don’t call for his head after a fourth straight loss to the Trogans, I will be highly disappointed in my Bruin compatriots.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
It is going to happen
The Neubs are going to come. Remember how they were so upset because we had the audacity to point out that the victory over ASU was no big deal because ASU was not a very good team.
Now that we look back, the loss against Arizona looks even worse while the victory over ASU looks less impressive. We don’t have a single victory against a good to great team this season. Perhaps Cal has somewhat of an argument of being an above average team but like everyone in the Pac-12 (minus Oregon, Stanford and Southern Cal) they are either bipolar or bad.
The telling stat
15 of 27 losses by three touchdowns or more.
More than 50% of his losses have been total blowouts.
But really, I don’t think any more analysis is needed. Saturday was his 47th game, and the team still made the same mistakes as they would in a spring scrimmage if it was the coach’s first year and the players had never played football before.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Oh, and
this team right now has the second worst Points Against average (31.4 pts) since 1965.
- is still Dorrell’s magical 2005 defense led by Larry Kerr, master of bend and break, that allowed 34.2 points per game.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Cal is not good either
Their wins are over Fresno State, Colorado, Presbyterian, Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State. All of those teams have losing records. They lost a close one to Washington and got pasted by Oregon and USC.
by Magnusblitz on Nov 14, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
We really need ASU to win out and get to the Pac 12 Title Game
Talk about cruel:
If UCLA goes 1-1 in its next two games but still somehow advances to the Pac-12 championship game, then loses that game, at 6-7, they’d be ineligible for a bowl game.
Ouch.
Update: Yup, confirmed: “According to conference office, a team that owns 6-7 record after the championship game is not bowl eligible.”
We must win our or ASU must go for our long term health. We need those extra practices for the younger guys who haven’t gotten their shot because there will be a lot of change next season with the new HC.
Let's see
if we can even get bowl eligible in the next two games…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Agree
Colorado won’t be a gimme at all. However, the best thing for us is to beat Colorado to become bowl eligible and have ASU get to the title game.
Yup, the Buffs could beat the Bruins.....
with this coaching staff it’s entirely conceivable. We won’t even come close to beating the Trogans, though…its in the Mausaleum and thus a road game against a ranked opponent. Both bad omens when it comes to CRN.
Granted its the ‘SC game and anything is possible, I just don’t see an upset win for the Bruins at all.
And it would be better to have the Sun Devils whipped by the Ducks in the title game than the Bruins.
Here’s to a 6-6 season and an invitation to the Vegas or a comparable lackluster mnor bowl appearance, and a farewell to the entire coaching staff.
2002 New Mexico Bowl against the UNM Lobos
on Christmas Day, wasn’t it? And the Lobos used a female kicker. Definitely a highlight.
Good times. Good times.
Yep, Katie Hnida, who was also part of the CU scandal that felled Gary Barnett.
They used a male kicker after she missed her PAT.
Cruel irony
Agree and disagree.
UCLA somehow back-dooring into the title game will certainly be used as ammo for DG to resist doing his job. But the damage done by a third humiliation on Nat tv (recruiting, our already plummeting national image etc etc) will be horrific.
But if the PAC 12 game was coached by an interim coach (or I would settle for an outgoing coach) it could be a different story.
(and a few extra practices won’t matter. Hell, they have been playing for 10 weeks and still cannot execute)
LOL
I wouldn’t worry about them missing more practice time under these coaches. That might be a positive.
Don't be so quick to disregard the extra practices
Younger guys get more reps and get a longer look during bowl practices. We likely won’t have a HC in place but the non-starters know that they’ll have a chance to make an impression thus you can bet they’ll be working their butts off. This is definitely a factor as to why perennial bowl teams still have success the next year although they lose tons of starters/depth.
Agree to disagree
Additional practices with this staff is the definition of insanity….doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
I don't disagree
#1: I’m hoping we get that homerun hire before our bowl game. He checks in on practices while taking care of other stuff.
#2: Younger guys still play hard for intermin coach so that the next HC can see what they can do when reviewing the tape.
My thoughts have nothing to do with the current staff.
That's true with a normal coaching staff
This staff will look to see if Westgate can still plug that gap and if Embree can still fair catch.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
UCLA would need to enter that title game with Oregon fielding a
7-5 record, else, a 6-6 record and a loss to UO gets us a 6-7 record and no bowl invite.
It would amost be better ASU goes to the title blowout instead of UCLA. and I really doubt we beat SUC on their SouthCentral home turf.
We can get in
Only if every single .500 or above team was already in a slot.
Very unlikely, but they aren’t just going to not have a bowl for a lack of .500 or above teams.
What good are extra practices
when they are run by coaches who can’t coach?
Important Perspective
I completely concur with Nestor providing the perspective on what other real programs have done in similar situations.
Can anyone think of any other top 25 caliber program that would be in the predicament UCLA is and still have to be making the argument to remove the incumbent? The answer is NO!
UCLA has been mired in an environment of low expectations for so long that it has completely warped the Neubs view of reality.
This idea that UCLA doesn
Important perspective
*this idea that UCLA is somehow better because we do not treat coaches this way (firing when required and justified) is feel good nonsense.
TY and spot on
If we don’t get it right this time around, this program will fall further and there is no telling when we’ll ever get back.
During this era, Oregon and Stanford have become a national power. Sark is reviving a UDub program full of history. Cal is arming themselves with the facility upgrades. Utah will now be able to get better recruits and will experience plenty of success. As long as OSU has Riley, they’ll be solid with some nice runs here and there. suc will be back and so forth.
Pac 12 is getting serious about FB with all the money that is at stake. Salary may not be an issue this time around but in order for us to return to our rightful place in the CFB world, we need a culture change. Whomever the next HC is, he needs the support of Morgan Center and the Admin. As blogged, facility upgrades are a must too.
As you noted, we have a 2 year window to get this ship turned around. Otherwise, we’re going to be left with a talent void. We really don’t want to see how deep that rabbit hole goes. It ain’t going to be pretty.
Sark
I am not worried about UDub at all. Sark is a mediocre coach and I think he will prolly get canned in 2-3 years. In fact I think now is a perfect time given UDub is stuck with Sark for few more years. Cal is in a quagmire spot with Tedford. Both of those programs are upgrading their facilities but if UCLA gets the right coach, I feel pretty good about our chances going ahead.
Also, I am rooting for Lane Kiffin (yes, I said it). I am rooting for Kiffin so that he can be around for at least 2 more years at SC. I hope the Trojans beat the Duckies this weekend.
IMO, Sark has potential
Sark has done a good job offensively. It is the defense that has been their main problem. Their roster still lacks overall talent & depth and is still flawed IMO. They’re starting to build a wall around Washington (they usually pump out a handful of elite talent per year) and with his connections in So Cal, their recruiting will only get stronger.
My main point is that we need to step up or I can see us turning into Duke in a few years.
Can't root for the trogans ever, even against Satan and his demonic plagues.
Remember a few years ago how we laughed and laughed at how great our coach was and how sorry the trOJies’ coach was. I now concede that Lame (and his unlimited budget) is a better coach than CTSS. Or to put it another way, I think if we traded coaches with just$c, we would beat them soundly.
As has been said here many times, we no longer get mocked by trogans. We’re not even worth the energy it takes to laugh at us. Thanks for that, Doughnut Dan.
I root for them
when it means UCLA goes to the Rose Bowl if they win…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'll admit: I was one of the ones who still wanted to give Rick a chance after ASU, although hesitantly
And under the condition of “one more Arizona-esque loss, this year OR next, and you’re done.” Well, then 31-6 happened, which firmly swayed my opinion. Wins against Colorado and $uc will prove nothing (and that’s before the one-in-a-septillion chance that we beat the cheaters anyway), because then we’ll be looking at a sixty-point loss in the Pac-12 title game. No, Rick will likely win the Colorado home game to become bowl eligible, then get smashed against $uc, and then rightfully get fired, with an assistant coach taking over for whatever crappy bowl we go to and then a real head coach hired in the following weeks (hopefully by a different athletic director). And I will be completely on board with this plan.
High quality analysis
and how could one argue with the conclusions? It is not about our respect for RN, it is about his inability to “turn the corner”. By the way, Pepper Rogers followed Prothro. Had great teams, couldn’t beat ’SC when it mattered.
He was 0-2-1 agains the Trogans in his three seasons, and who knows
but that if it wasn’t for that stupid exclusive deal with the Big-10 and Pac-8 conference winners only play in the Rose Bowl game which was why beating ‘SC really mattered. Had Rogers been able to get his ’72 and ’73 Bruins invited to one of the other bowl games, he might have stayed longer and maybe eventually beaten ’SC, at least once. Granted, there were fewer bowl games then, but at 8-3 and 9-2 and a potent offense, the Bruins would’ve made an attractive matchup against someone.
Dream Scenario
Guerrero takes his job at the NCAA, new AD comes in and hires Meyer/Leach, UCLA football in BCS game by 2013.
Nightmare Scenario:
Neuheisel wins out, we are getting blown out by Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Cal State LA, Sisters of the Poor, etc. for years to come.
by South Campus is for Lovers on Nov 14, 2011 10:53 AM PST reply actions
Here is the dream scenario...
We fire Neu today and announce an interim head coach.
We hire Urban Meyer tomorrow but with a Jan 7 start date. Urban Meyer would be allowed unlimited contact with recruits until his start date.
Guerror does the dance of the lemons and moves to the ncaa.
We hire a business executive with a sports background, not another public employee, to be A.D.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I like it. Never will happen, but I like it.
Keep dreaming.
ummm
that is why it is called the DREAM SCENARIO.
Altough, I should have specified the HAPPY DREAM SCENARIO because we have been experiencing a dream scenario since Guerror was hired… it has just been a NIGHTMARE.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Nov 14, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Great analysis
The points you brought up regarding graduations and other prestigious coaching vacancies are especially important. THIS is the year to fire Neuheisel, not when the cupboard is bare and there are a lot of other choice coaching jobs open.
Rick will be fired even IF we beat $C
Here’s why:
Nestor pointed out that after the 13-9 game even those who were adamentaly for KD being fired softened their stance even a little bit (myself included). He also pointed out that that mistake will not be made again.
Given that this community has grown so much (myself just joining a few days ago) and how vocal all of us were about the student seating at the new Pauley, I think there will be a firestorm of regime change comments sent directly to Guerrero and Block REGARDLESS of how the $C game goes down (if we lose to Colorado on Saturday, though, it may not even be necessary). In other words, unlike 2005, Guerrero will not be able to ignore any questions about Neuheisal’s future.
Am I being a tad bit optimimistic. Most definitely. Not so much optimistic in terms of Guerrero and Block actually giving merit to the thousands of regime change comments they will get at the end of the season, but optimistic that the UCLA faithful will let them know how we feel.
The Demon
We need to schedule a road game against Miami. We need to beat that demon and move on so we can become once again what we were on the morning of December 5, 1998.
Schedule the game!
my dream scenario
Gene Block holding a press conference confirming the firing of Dan Guerrero while Dan Guerrero holds a press conference confirming the firing of RN. That would be hilarious.
by Strathmore&Gayley on Nov 14, 2011 5:24 PM PST reply actions

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