Dan Guerrero's cheapness on display for all to see
by gilbert on Nov 17, 2011 8:24 AM PST
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PrintMy source for all salary data here is from USA Today's College football coach salary database, which was updated today.
When it comes to college football, which group would you rather team be in:
Group A:
Texas
Alabama
Oklahoma
LSU
Iowa
Arkansas
Auburn
Michigan
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Group B:
Washington State
Colorado
Purdue
Penn State
Syracuse
Boston College
Iowa State
Ohio State
Northwestern
Indiana
Group A are the 11 BCS conference schools that pay the most for head coaches, all over $2.8 million
Group B are 10 of the 11 BCS conference schools that pay the least for head coaches, all under $1.3 million
UCLA is the 11th and missing member of Group B (Rick Neuheisel earns $1.285 million).
Combined 2011 win-loss record of the schools in Group A: 83-25
Combined 2011 win-loss record of the schools in Group B: 49-61
It's not a perfect correlation, but you get what you pay for. For UCLA to move to next level, Dan Guerrero needs to be willing to pay top-dollar for an elite coach.
Out of 59 BCS coach salaries listed, UCLA's is the 49th highest. There are some private schools (who don't have to report salaries) that aren't shown in USA Today's data, including Notre Dame and USC who surely pay more for Kelly and Kiffin than UCLA does for Neuheisel. This isn't even factoring in that Los Angeles (especially West L.A.) is one of the most expensive places to live in the country.
To be clear, I'm not arguing Rick Neueheisel needs to be paid more, I'm arguing that UCLA needs to be willing to pay more for a head coach.
With all the other big-name schools looking for coaches this offseason, UCLA has to be willing to pay a real coaches' salary to attract someone who is established.
You get what you pay for.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Interesting analysis
Respectfully, I might add that there’s a presumption in the you-get-what-you-pay-for thinking. The presumption is that, in spending for the best, you have identified and hired the best. As you imply in not arguing for paying Coach Neuheisel more, doing so would not make him a better coach.
But, even with a blank checkbook, does the Morgan Center have the football intelligence to make a smart decision on the next coach? History would argue otherwise.
I would add that Lane Violation is reportedly one of the best paid coaches in CFB
And arguably one of the worst coaches at the same time.
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi
There are extra criteria at just$c*
You have to be willing to cheat, to encouraging cheating, to celebrate cheating, and to be able to lie with utter sincerity about cheating. You have to be able to work the just$c* version of three card monte, and hide the cheating pea under the deny, obfuscate or accuse shells. And you need to get paid extra, in case the ncaa catches you (again) and the school has to throw you under the bus.
Of course, you have to be paid more because you’re required to wear those awful colors and hear the stupid song all the time.
His dad is a good guy
the apple has fallen far from the tree…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
just talking character
not ability.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Agree - never an issue about character with Kiffin Pere
It’s just that his defense peaked about the mid-90s, and hasn’t changed much since then. Offenses have passed him by (at least in the NFL.) But in college? Would you rather have Monte Kiffen or our guy, whose name I can’t even remember. Here are some numbers:
3rd down defense – $c 61 in the nation, UCLA 115.
4th down def. – $c 45, UCLA 88
1st downs allowed – $c 77, UCLA 108
Passing def – $c 100, UCLA 60 (How’d that happen?)
Passing efficiency defense – $c 63, UCLA 68
Red zone def. – $c 88, UCLA 109
Rushing def – $c 8, UCLA 95
Sacks – $c 33, UCLA 111
Scoring def. – $c 55, UCLA 92
Total def – $c 49, UCLA 87
Interceptions – $c 72, UCLA 55. (This is deceptive – they have 8 ints, we have 9. Lots of teams have 9, lots of teams have 8.)
I'd say these are comparable...
Obviously you have to take recruiting rankings with a bit of a grain of salt, but they correlate decently with success.
Considering the recruiting results for the past 4 years, you would expect (given equal coaching acumen), that $C would be a little ahead in the rankings.
But both schools have had generally good recruiting the past 4 years (although $C has serious depth issues).
Considering that fact, both schools should be ranked better. Both are extremely low considering the circumstances.
I am not impressed by either coach thus far.
One minor quirk
Dan Guerrero needs to be willing to pay top-dollar for an elite coach.
It’s not a good mindset to assume DG will still be around, he has to go.
yeah man wth
way to counter the OCCUPY DOUGHNUTS movement… sheesh
For those thinking Dan isnt wrong here, think again
I agree that paying Neuheisal more than this would be stupid (I would actually say we overpaid for him, given his inability to be hired by any other NCAA instituation as a head coach).
However, who were Dan’s last options in the Coaching search? One guy who could only get hired by New Mexico State, and Rick, who couldn’t land a job anywhere else. Dan was not prepared to pay market value for a good coach, and his budget choices have landed him in a huge mess.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 17, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions
I'm not sure, Silver
You assume that Doughnut Dan had constraints imposed upon him, and I don’t know if that’s true.
I said he wasn't prepared to pay
Didn’t say it wasn’t his fault he wasn’t prepared to pay.
IF he can’t do the job of running an elite football program at UCLA, that is on him. He should resign if he feels he isn’t give the resources to do the job correctly, because he will be held accountable for the results.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 17, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
You should be right, but you assume rationality in the heirarchy, and there isn't any.
He thinks he can do the job, because he has the job, he’s doing as well as he can, and he keeps getting $25,000 every two weeks to do what he does. He assumes he’s doing a great job, so therefore he assumes that he has all the resources he needs.
In fact, he’s doing a horrible job, and he should be summarily fired. But, again, that assumes rational thinking in the heirarchy, and there isn’t any.
Your overlooking
The most important thing: what the head coach is able to pay his staff. That’s how you end up with Joe Tresey as your DC. No staff, no wins, simple fornula. I’ll bet our DC is the lowest paid or in the bottom three of all coordinators in the PAC-12.
The major premise here is not necessarily correct.
If you do it right, you get more than what you pay for, as is evident in major league baseball. The following teams made the playoffs, with their ranking in terms of salaries in parentheses: Yankees (1), Phillies (2), Tigers (10), Cards (11), Rangers (13), Brewers (17), DBacks (25) and the Rays (29,) After the first round, the teams left standiing were numbers 10, 11, 13, and 17. Nos. 10 and 11 played in the World Series. The Cards had an annual salary a little more than half that of the Yankees. Teams with salaries numbers 3 through 9 did not make the playoffs and the top of that list was the Red Sox whose fans finally caused me to do the impossible (root for the Yankees).
The point is that we need to identify skilled coaches, not guys who already make a lot of money. Guerrerror is clearly not the guy to make those decisions, and the best evidence of that is the amount he’s paying himself. If we let Guerrerror choose the next coach and coaching staff, we’ll end up getting John Lackey, Carl Crawford, Dice-K and the like.
If Andrew Friedman is available, he would be a nice choice, but I don’t want him to leave Tampa.
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