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UCLA Basketball: Is the Problem Effort v. Achievement?

It may not be fair but Norman Powell #4 needs to start now and be our leading shooter among backcourt players and wings.  (Photo by Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

Among all the soul searching and comments by Ben Howland and even Dan Guerrero amiss the terrible start this season, this one stood out from Ben Howland:

"Our effort has been good,'' Howland said. "I don't have an issue there.''

If the effort has been good why are we 0-2 with two ugly losses.  Is Ben Howland picking and favoring the guys who always hustle and are the most active over the guys who are the best players?  Putting aside the point guard position for a second, compare the "all effort" team to the "all talent" team for UCLA, effort player first, more talented player second:

Shooting Guard Tyler Lamb v. Norman Powell

Small Forward: Davd Wear v. De'End Parker

Power Forward:  Brendan Lane v. Reeves Nelson

Center:  Travis Wear v. Joshua Smith. 

In every case above I would argue the more talented guy should start over the effort guy listed above because they give UCLA a better chance of winning and are better basketball players.  In the ideal world, of course, every guy is Arron Afflalo, a talented player who gives an all-out effort on Sunday morning in the off season.  But this is not an ideal world, is CBH making the mistake that Coach Wooden famously said:

Never mistake activity for achievement

Star-divide

Before the year almost every preview talked of the Wears.  Looking at the Wears objectively and in their Freshman Year, I felt there was no comparison between them and Nelson/Smith.  Further, it was not a leap to come up with the talent team I listed above, as I predicted it as our starting line up by PAC 12 time. 

What is CBH thinking?  After three games (including the exhibition game), the Wears have shown that they are constantly active but they can be beat on defense by any rival big or wing.  What worries me most is CBH has had these kids for a lot of practices and knows basketball.  Did he buy the hype?  

I don't like trashing these kids and I am not saying they are bad.  Shoot they may be making the most of their talent. But it is like Tydides said:

You mean you missed every single preview out there That had the transfer of the Wears in as either item 1 or 2 of why this team will be good this year? . . . Ultimately none of this is even that big of a deal if Howland himself didn't seem to be reading the previews, but I guess he did since he decided to start both of them.

The Wears have worked hard in practice since last year.  CBH has been effusive in his praise of them.  But the fact is David is too slow to play three and Travis is not Reeves, Josh, or even Stover. 

Now Tyler Lamb is a tougher case.  He is by all accounts well-liked by his teammates and the heir apparent to the role of perimeter defensive stopper. Tyler was supposed to be the best perimeter defender.   Not only has he looked bad, right now UCLA opponents are making 77% of their three point attempts.  By contrast for his career, Tyler is 10 for 50 from three for 20%, including 2-11 this year.  Unlike his defense his shooting stoke looks better but the fact is Tyler does not look like a UCLA level player right now. 

Which brings me the last guy all the all effort team, Brendan Lane.  Lane has played one minute this year and even with Reeves suspend and Stover hurt he played only one minute against MTSU so he would not seem relevant to a discussion for this season.  However, there is this alarming stat from last year that may serve as an example.  In the first 15 games of last year Brendan Lane played 20 or more minutes 14 times and UCLA record was 9-6.  Lane never again played 20 minutes and the rest of the season UCLA went 14-5, including 10-1 in the first 11 games when Lane's minutes were reduced.  Lane started the year as the sixth man and ended the year as the ninth.  Would we had a better start last year if Lane started the year as the ninth man as he finished?  Is CBH doing the same thing this year on a bigger scale with Lamb and the Wears?

To be clear, I am not after any of these players. They are Bruins.  Our team needs them. But let's go to the other side, the talent guys.

Norman Powell is the best athlete since Russell Westbrook and the second best athlete CBH has coached at UCLA.  He has a huge upside.  He needs to play right now and as Tydides said he was one of only two who played well in the MTSU game.  Powell has also looked as good or better than Lamb on defense and is already better on offense.  He looks like a UCLA level player and potential all Freshman Team player.  

On Josh Smith.  It is upsetting that he shows up weighing almost 400 pounds while the Wears show up in great shape.  It is upsetting that Smith can barely dunk because it is hard to get his body off the ground while the Wears have shown the ability to move around the court and have even scored on an alley-opp.  But Smith is still an infinitely better basketball player than either of the Wears. 

Everyone notices Reeves Nelson negatives antics but not everyone notices what Reeves does.   Reeves and Kevin Love are the only two players in the Ben Howland era to have more than 200 defensive rebounds in a season.  He helps our defense in that way better than any other player on the current team.  Further, Reeves is a very good defensive rebounder as shown by his defensive rebound per minute rate which is better than Brendan Lane and both Wears ALL rebound per minute rate in their careers.  Reeves need to be motivated and play a team game, but the fact is he is a special player.  

De'End Parker had as many rebounds as David Wear against MTSU in 12 less minutes.  De'End has the quickness and length to cover threes of the other team.  De'End is not as good a shooter as David Wear but he is a better athlete and has a larger upside as a defender.  It may not be fair to David but he is just not a three and Parker is.  Also, Parker is a former PG which helps to play three for UCLA.  Often times last year the offense ran through Tyler Honeycutt.  The first final four of CBH team's three was Cedric Bozeman, a former PG.  Not saying it has to this year but as I will describe below it helps to have a passer at the three to help take pressure off the PG. 

Sure there are many other factors I could discuss on why UCLA is having problems but this is a blog post not a novel.  I will close with a word on the Point Guard.  No one worked harder during the offense season than LJ.  But LJ has been terrible, arguably our biggest problem.  I am not sure Jerime Anderson is much better.  But putting that aside Zeek needs to learn the other side of the activity coin.  Zeek is trying to do too much.  Zeek is leading UCLA this season in shot attempts.  The leading shooter of back court players and wings should be Norman Powell.  I think Zeek needs to be fourth on shot attempts among the starters.  CBH said Zeek was "pressing", well he is forcing shots.  He has to let the game come to him.

It is something Anderson learned last year, when he played his best when Lee and LJ were on the court with him.  He was not forced to create as a PG.  He just took what was given him.  LJ and Anderson at the point have to do that.  Not force things, realize they are not the first, second, or third option on offense. 

Howland said in the same interview as the effort quote:

Based on these early games, the Bruins look like the disaster that was the 2009-10 season -- when they started out 2-6 and lost all three games in the 76 Classic in Anaheim, including matchups to local teams Cal State-Fullerton and Long Beach State. The Bruins ultimately finished a pedestrian 8-10 in the Pac-10 and out of the postseason with a 14-18 overall record. "We're not going to be that group,'' said Howland. "We're much more talented than that group, especially up front.''

CBH you need to play the talent or you will end up with another 2009-10. 

Go Bruins.   

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What's the point?

I don’t think anyone is claiming that the Wears are not working hard. Or that Lamb and Nelson and Smith are not making the effort. In fact, CBH said that he had no issue with the team’s effort.

Hey, I would like to see more Powell and Parker out there. And I want Lane to get some PT. But we have heard a lot of other explanations for the disappointing results so far this year. Let’s see what happens Monday with both Nelson and Anderson back at the same time, and maybe Stover, before we get all theoretical about effort v. potential talent.

by Arturo del Mundo on Nov 18, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions  

That's just it

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t play everyone or dole out minutes just by who works hardest in practice, unless everyone is equal in talent. We are not going to win a game that way.

I am not saying that practice does not matter. Reeves deserved his suspension. as did Anderson. But taking minutes from Reeves to play Lane is going to hurt the team. Lane and the Wear’s job in part has to be to make the more talent/athletic players better. Whether that is pushing them in practice or giving them rests in a game or even playing a bit more to motivate Nelson is part of coaching. However, making the offense run though them is not the point.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:13 AM PST up reply actions  

My opinion

I attended both “home” games at the Sports Arena. Fortunately, I was given free tix because I would have regretted paying for the 2 horrible games.

During warmups against the MTSU game, I mentioned to my friend that compared to the opposition, the Bruins lack raw athletic ability, speed and leaping ability. The Blue Raiders had quicker players and some high flyers too. I had a feeling that it would be a long night.

In the last few years, some of our most athletic players were the most raw offensively. CBH solely used these guys on defense and to give screens (e.g. Stover, Mike Moser)

After watching teams like UNC, Arizona, and even St. John’s this week, I just notice a huge lack in athletic ability in our guys.

The only thing we have is height. I hope CBH figures something out this year because the formula of the past will not work for this year’s team.

Effort is great, but athletic ability & talent is more important (e.g. Sean Westgate-good effort, but too much like Rudy)

Perhaps, the answer is to go look for players in Cameroon?

by UCLA Championships Made Here on Nov 18, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions  

Yep.

That is my point. I should have used the word athletic for talented.

The first answer though is to play the athletic guys the most minutes, e.g. Powell and Parker (over David Wear).

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:09 AM PST up reply actions  

One might think effort is lousy...

… but it could be due to at least two big factors.
- One is our guy looks like he’s putting forth weak effort but it’s because the opponent is quicker and more athletic. If the Wears can’t elevate to contest a shot by a shorter post player who is more explosive, it’s not because they don’t care to put the effort – it’s because they’ve been beaten physically by a quicker, more athletic player.
- Two, our guy can be equally athletic and trying just as hard, but his technique is flawed. I saw Reeves go flying into the air to stay with his man who was jumping to make a pass. As a result, Reeves took himself totally out of the play and a simple pass was converted into a slam dunk basket for LMU. Maybe Reeves should have stayed on his feet so that he could contest the recipient of the pass. Last play of the first half LMU, Zeke goes flying into the air to block a shot only to be suckered by a pump fake by Anthony Ireland. Lots of energy by Zeke, but he’s flying into space leaving a wide open J that Ireland calmly drains for a basket at the end of the half.

by mplsbruin on Nov 18, 2011 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

Two issues

I am only addressing your first issue. When the kid basically does the right thing and still gets beat. Put another way if the Wears play perfect technique in M2M D they are still going to be beat. If Nelson does, he can and did shut down a player as good as Derrick Williams.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, Wears are limited. And Reeves effort is inconsistent.

Last year, we had two guys whose effort was inconsistent or worse – Honeycutt and Nelson. But I never liked to blast the entire team when I felt guys like Malcolm, Zeke, Lamb, Stover and yes, Jerime, were showing good effort.
THis year’s team is challenged with needing sig minutes from new guys, sig minutes from athletically challenged guys and sig minutes from skill-level challenged guys. It’s because our recruiting has been awful and we’ve only got what we’ve got.
There’s a hint that recruiting might be turning around. We better hope that turns out to be right!

by mplsbruin on Nov 20, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I put Reeves above anyone for effort

He just takes some plays off. And I don’t like the Wear’s rebounding, and rebounding is a hustle stat—talent and height are contributing, but not the dominant factors.

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Nov 18, 2011 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah that is the fascinating part of Reeves

The ideal is AA. He never took a play off on offense or defense (or practice). What makes Reeves even worse is he has terrible body language, wears his heart on his sleeve, etc. If we keep losing Reeves is going to be a major problem. His Freshman year at the end, he did not play D or pass.

So the problem with Reeves is he is good enough to be a dominate college player but he is also so emotional that he can be a team cancer.

He does take plays off but as you say rebounds are hustle stats. Ironically Reeves who is sometimes knocked for his D, is among the PAC 12 best defensive rebounders.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Another Great Breakdown DC

Agree wholeheartedly about who’s more talented.

by the blur 98 on Nov 18, 2011 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

Stops and stoppers

Great breakdown, DC, and I agree wholeheartedly with the notion of playing the talent.

As I understand it, “Ben Ball” is predicated on the notion that defense is more reliable than offense, that by generating stops, it can generate easy baskets and keep our team in the game when the offense goes cold. But what happens when it can’t? When it’s not more reliable? When there’s no outside stopper and the rotations can’t keep up with the passing, drivers or kick outs? Then we get games like LMU, MT, and the infamous Montana. I think that’s what we’ve been looking at.

I think CBH’s system absolutely has to have a top notch perimeter defender and another guy on the front line with great defensive instincts as the “goalie” defending the basket in order for it to work. With those two pieces in place, the rest of the team can get away with being less than perfect, with going for a steal and missing it and still having a chance at a stop. But without those two pieces, ball movement kills us. Teams just keep things in motion for as long as it takes for our guys to miss a rotation and they have a clear look or a clear path for an easy shot. That seemed to be happening all night long in the agony that was our first two games.

It’s clear that neither Lamb or Powell is up to the job of ML defensive stopper on the perimeter — at least at this point in time — and they couldn’t take the chance to converge on 3 shooters because there was no one at the basket capable of taking a charge or stopping a drive if the shooter brought the ball down and drove past them. Maybe that changes with Stover in the middle, but then, of course, we pay in lost offense. I think we also miss Honeycutt defensively more than I ever imagined we would. It’s not that he played solid fundamental D, but he was quick enough and athletic enough to recover sufficiently to swat balls away from behind when guys drove past him, so he functioned, to some extent as that “goalie” guy when he felt like putting out the effort. We ain’t getting that from the Wears. Maybe we could get it from Parker and Powell. I definitely think it’s worth trying.

I’d like to see Parker and Powell starting with LJ, Reeves, and Josh (after the first minute or two on the bench to acclimate. I’d be interested in seeing the Wears playing with Stover as I think the Wears bring something to the table on offense and Stover could plug up the middle and compensate best for the Wears’ deficiencies on D — but then, at this point I’m ready for all kinds of experimentation in the hope we can find something that works by trial and error. I sure hope CBH is finally open to experiment, because the current distribution of PT is not working at all and sticking to it in the hope it improves is, IMO, folly.

by bcbruin on Nov 18, 2011 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks and agree except

I still have hope for Powell. I think Powell could become a very good defensive stopper. However, because of our problems on offense, I think he needs to learn by playing on the court. He will make mistakes but he has talent.

I think you make a good point on Honeycutt. Too often people focus on his failure to reach his potential and his lapses instead of what he did do well. Don’t get me wrong, I was more frustrated with him then Reeves last year as he could of and should of done more.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hope we will see a change

with either Parker or Powell getting the minutes instead of a Wear at the 3. That seems to be the consensus problem, but will CBH make the change?

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Nov 19, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he will BUT

The question is when? A related question is zone defense: does he go to that some? It seems a necessary solution when two Wears are on the floor at the same time.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Honeycutt

absolutely infuriated me. He bothered me way more than Reeves, who at least seems to have some demons to blame. But Tyler? So much talent, such sporadic effort. I never, in my wildest dreams thought I would miss him this season, but here I am, surprised already.

by bcbruin on Nov 19, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

CBH probably feels some responsibility to play the Wears because they transferred to join his program. I think he felt that same responsibility towards Dragovich who chose to come to UCLA rather than possibly playing pro ball in Europe.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Nov 18, 2011 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

Could be but I think

the Wears have worked hard for the last year in practice. Compare that to Nelson who has ditched practice, stormed out, and had temper tantrums. The Wears worked hard last year despite the fact they were not going to play. They were great examples and CBH wants to reward them.

But they are just not quick or strong enough.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 5:24 AM PST up reply actions  

CBH recruited the non-transfer players

to join his program rather than go to Arizona, Gonzaga, or wherever else they may have been considering, so that should be no difference. He picked them all; he needs to work with them all.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Nov 19, 2011 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

But not all players are equal. Some are stars, some are role players, and some are practice players.

by DCBruins on Nov 19, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate to be the person who reiterates fan posts, because the authors put so much time into it, but I can’t agree more with DCB. A good effort, with the talent UCLA has, doesn’t deserve an 0-2 start against two inferior opponents. A good effort doesn’t allow an inferior team to shoot 70%.

If I had to pick an offensive lineup at this point it would be:

PG: Anderson (thought I still love Laz, and this he will turn it around. I can’t believe all the outright HATE he has gotten on here)

SG: Powell

SF: Wear

PF: Reeves

C: Smith

I also can’t believe I’m alone in looking for a zone. I know the zone isn’t Howland’s bread and butter, but after these first two games what does he have to lose.

Nestor, I was wondering whether or not there’s a “statistics expert” on BN (I’m new). If not, I have pretty much ever statistic since 2007 (my Jr Year) and would love to write a fanpost or two breaking down “the numbers.”

Here’s to hoping a big W against UC this saturday, and a win in the first official round of the MI.

I hate to toot my own horn on here, and Nestor/DC if this is out of lines please feel free to delete it ASAP, but I just started writing my own blog at apatheticandenergetic.com. It’s mainly devote to: hockey, ucla bruins, and my life as a 3L. Like I said, I don’t want to cause any trouble here, so if this is against the rules please delete it. If not, and you enjoy hockey (and ucla/law school) please feel free to check it out.

by JD_Bruin on Nov 18, 2011 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

JD .... go go go

Blog away! Fanposts offering statistical analysis would be great. We do get into stats but often wait till we have sizeable sample. But if if you want to kick start the discussion go for it. And there was nothing wrong with how you mentioned your blog here.

by Nestor on Nov 19, 2011 7:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Howland owns this mess

He needs to own all the problems with recruiting, defections, lack of planning, lack of effort, and lack of achievement. It is certainly true that there is a huge problem above him, but I sadly am left to conclude that he is also a major source of the problem.

by waters96 on Nov 19, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

Effort

I know you had to have some method of contrasting the players, but I predict that two of the talented/athletic players, Powell and Parker, will prove to be two of the highest effort players on the team.

by 83uclaalum on Nov 20, 2011 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

You're Right

It is unfair to slam Powell or Parker’s effort. The analogy is imperfect and I should have said something like practice time for them.

by DCBruins on Nov 21, 2011 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

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