UCLA vs. Chaminade/Maui Invitational Opening Round Basketball Preview
by DCBruins on Nov 21, 2011 7:05 AM PST
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Starting today, UCLA will play three games in three days. For those watching UCLA sports this year that means we could go 0-5 to start the year. All right, maybe that is too pessimistic, right? But before the season I thought this would be a look ahead preview but right now it is a "could-we-really-lose-to-a-Division II" team preview of tonight's game at 6:35 p.m. PST.
"We've got to find a way to win a game," Ben Howland, the Bruins coach, told reporters after the MTSU thumping.
Well, here's a solution: The Bruins get Chaminade in their opener of the rugged Maui Invitational next week. Then again, Chaminade's opener in that tournament is always a crusade for the host school, and if UCLA loses that one, Howland may order his guys to take catamarans home. A win gets them a berth opposite the Georgetown-Kansas winner in the semifinals.
Last week, the Sports Illustrated jinx took it to new heights. Bruins forward Reeves Nelson was on our regional cover of the magazine, and after UCLA's opening loss, he was suspended for poor conduct. I was told by a longtime observer of the program that it's been a long series of insolent behavior on Nelson's part, not just the lateness for a team meeting and absence from practice Sunday. Nelson has been reinstated to the team and was due to resume practicing Thursday. . . .On the floor, the guard play has been terrible, especially on defense. Astonishingly, they've allowed 20 threes in 26 attempts in the two losses.
When your starting back-court is shooting 8-38 and it is not their biggest problem, you know you are in trouble. When your Sports Illustrated cover boy gets thrown off the team, albeit briefly, and follows that up by missing the plane to Hawaii, you have to feel jinxed. Or this statistic, which I don't think has ever been said of a Ben Howland team:
Opponents are shooting 57.4 percent against UCLA, which is last among Division I teams, while the Bruins are shooting only 38.9 percent.
Can we lose to Chaminade Silverswords?
I don't think so. The Silverswords are only shooting 28% from three. So hopefully they won't go off from three like UCLA's last two opponents did. The Silverswords are led by a 6'8" senior forward:
Chaminade senior forward/center Matt Cousins (Santa Rosa, CA/Cardinal Newman) has been selected the first Pacific West Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Week for the 2011-12 campaign. The honor was announced by the PacWest Media Office in Phoenix, AZ, on Monday, Nov. 14, for games contested Nov. 4-13.
Cousins led the Silverswords to a 2-0 week by averaging 20.5 points and 12.0 rebounds per game, topping the PacWest in both categories. He also ranked ninth in shooting in the conference, making 54.5% (12 of 22) of his field goal attempts.
Cousins has been unspectacular but solid so far in his career. Cousins will like be guarded by Reeves or Travis Wear. He is only 6'8" but is Chaminade's biggest player.
They also have a Serbian forward named Darko Vukasovic who on paper and judging by his highlight tape is a true small forward. In other words, I am not sure David Wear can handle him man-to-man, but David may not play as much as he is recovering from a concussion.
The rest of the front-court features Rickey Clayborn, a sixth year (?) senior seemingly inside-only player who averaged more rebounds than points per game in JC. I think he will likely face Josh Smith and Stover inside. Stover is going to play and Howland is expecting his return to help the defense.
The PG is freshman Lee Bailey who is shooting better than Zeek overall, but 0-5 from three this year. Last but not least in Bennie Murray of Inglewood, who can make three pointers, is shooting well, and a key to the team:
The Swords claimed their second GNAC/PacWest Challenge Championship
Coach Bovaird saw some execution he liked. "Bennie had a breakout night. I thought we played excellent defense as well, the guys played with a lot of energy. The 17 offensive rebounds were huge. "
Last but not least the coach has some interesting comments. He talks about a full court press and it will be interesting to see if they employ that in a tournament in which they are going to play three games in three days. Also, keep in mind every story on the Silverswords has to mention their 1982 win over Virginia and Ralph Sampson. Expect that to compete for the "Josh Selby" award for most mentioned story not relevant to the game at hand award for this year:
Eric Bovaird is set to begin his first season as Head Coach of the Chaminade University of Honolulu Silverswords. Bovaird was a long time First Assistant at fellow NCAA Division II, West Liberty University in Wheeling, WV. In his seven years at West Liberty, the Hilltoppers had the highest winning percentage in all of NCAA Div. II Men's Basketball. Remarkably, over that seven year stretch, the Hilltoppers led the nation in scoring six of the last seven years. They finished last year's season 33-1 and averaged 111 ppg.
Coach Bovaird has been very instrumental in developing the most exciting, winning style of basketball in the country. West Liberty has garnished nation attention with its ferocious full court pressure defense and instant offense and Bovaird plans on implementing this style at Chaminade.
"I am really excited to bring a very unique, winning style of basketball to Chaminade. Chaminade has had a great history of basketball and we hope to make our mark in its history too. While it may be tough to compare to the 1982 upset of then #1 in the nation, Virginia with Ralph Sampson, I am sure our players will learn a unique style of basketball and give anyone a run for their money. Chaminade has very special trademarks that make it unique. Student athletes have a great place to get an exceptional education from people who truly care about them and their future. Basketball wise, you get an unreal opportunity to play in a great conference, the Pac West, and play three games in the EA Sports Maui Invitational against great teams on national television."
Honestly I am more interested in the way we play than the final score. These next three days will be the first time the whole team will be able to play in a game and hopefully tonight will be the beginning of a more complete team game for UCLA.
"There is definitely a sense of urgency, no question," UCLA head coach Ben Howland said. "We have not played well at either end. We have changed some things defensively and added a few more sets offensively. But we just have to execute better."
Go Bruins!
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Nice preview DC
Welcome back Mr.Stover. Should be a huge boost inside. I’m hitting the reset button and hoping a week of practice with some implementation of zone will make this team function. Hoping to see a different lineup as many have pointed out with Zeek and Jerime on the floor together. The pressure of the being on a bigger stage may be what this team needs to come out of there shooting slump.
DGB
by westwood12003 on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Coach Howland's forte has always been defense.
If the players can’t play defense, then why? What happened. Likewise, if they won’t play defense, what happened? Maybe Coach Howland has overstayed his time. He’s not taking very good care of the program at this point.
"We've got to find a way to win a game," Ben Howland, the Bruins coach, told reporters after the MTSU thumping.
Find a way to win. Find. A way. Let that seep in. We’re talkin UCLA Men’s Basketball. Tell me, what have we endured the past several seasons, that our competition did not? Nothing. Basketball is a very, very fun game. Executing at a high level is fun. Confounding opponents is fun. Steals and traps are fun. 3 pointers, regular jump shots, and slam dunks are fun. Ben Howland has sapped all the fun out of UCLA Basketball, and it shows. Badly. This guy deserves the axe even more than Rick Neuheisel. 3 A’s, lined up against 5 other grades, that include C’s, D’s, and F’s, is a way too low, overall gpa. UCLA, not making the field of 64, is a Fail.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
Is it really ok to play Stover so soon after recovering from injury?
I really hope it’s not just desperation on Howland’s end.
Gosh, desperation..against Chaminade…
I do hope that Powell gets a start or gets more minutes though!
Stover has been practicing all week
So he should be okay. David Wear is the question. He missed some practice this week.
You want to hear something fun?
LMU hasn’t beaten anyone since they beat you know who. LMU got ran off the court … Harvard …. that’s right Harvard (who I get has a decent team this year) … in their last game.
You're right, this is scary
Going into the year I thought we could lose to MTSU. They were going to be ahead of us in integrating players, could be overlooked, are a good team, etc.
But losing to LMU is inexcusable. Any combination of UCLA scholarship players should have been able to beat them.
I mean even Montana last year could be explained and they were an experienced team with a really quick PG. But again, there is NO way we should ever lose to that LMU team. They are a bad team and missing their best player!
It was hard to write this preview, because after that game no game is a “lock.”
Oh I understand and to be clear
I was at that game. I am not justifying it. But Montana of last year is a much better team than LMU. Montana was bad, LMU is unbelievable.
It's not that I don't care
It’s just that I haven’t felt so detached from UCLA hoops since 2002. Maybe it’s partly due to the carryover from football. My nuclear winter might be very long this year…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Thru 8 Seasons, who had a better record, Jim Harrick or Ben Howland?
Overall Games Record
Jim Harrick: 192-62 .760
Ben Howland: 182-80 .690
Tournament Appearances:
Harrick: 8 out of 8
Howland: 6 out of 8
National Championships:
Harrick 1
Howland 0
Finished #2 (Championship Game Loss)
Harrick 0
Howland 1
NCAA Final Four
Harrick: 1 (Became Champion)
Howland 3 (1 Runner up, 2 Final Four Loses)
Finished at Elite Eight
Harrick: 1
Howland: 0
Finished at Sweet Sixteen
Harrick 1
Howland 0
Finished at Round of 32
Harrick 2
Howland 2
Finished at Round of 64
Harrick 3
Howland 1
Didn’t Make The Tournament
Harrick 0
Howland 2
First Place Conference
Harrick 3
Howland 3
Future NBA All-Stars On His Bench:
Harrick 0
Howland: 2
Statistically speaking… I’ll take Jim Harrick’s Barn-Burners, and higher winning percentage and National Championship Victory any day, over Ben Howland’s Slow Grind, Lower winning percentage, and 3 Final Fours that ended badly. Based on statistical facts, Ben Howland is no Jim Harrick. Go Bruins!
I wonder what Jim Harrick could have done with the better NBA talent than Howland had. That would have been something fun to see… especially with our up and down style of those days! Wowza!
(Hey, my numbers were lined up in my box. I guess what you see is not what you get.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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Harrick
didn’t inherit Lavin’s mess.
The current mess is squarely on Howland. But again, I don’t care for your whining about the style of play.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Harrick came after Hazzardous. Walt Hazzard, as a coach, wasn't Steve Lavin.
Style Points is a huge part of basketball. Billionaires and Millionaries are fighting over the splits, because the world is enamored with NBA Style. What? You weren’t a fan of Showtime? Sorry. That is Basketball. High-Flyers. Crowd Pleasers. It’s FANTastic. Sorry you don’t “get it”, bro. Style is definately part of the and attraction to basketball. But, you know, to each his own.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
College: Phi Slamma Jamma, Fab Freshman, Tark's Runnin Rebels.
We even had our own: Kiki and the Kids (Rocket Rod, Skylab Michael Holton, Mike “Seattle Slew” Sanders. Basketball is fun.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
I'm getting close to calling you a moron
Name a Big East team that plays like you just described.
Does Duke play like that? Michigan State? Butler?
You want bullshit crowd pleasing basketball, go watch AAU games and the Globe Trotters.
So, sorry “bro”, I think you’re the one who doesn’t get it.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Nov 21, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what other all-star are you talkin about besides Love?
by CornDogScandal on Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
You see what I'm always bitchin about here? (Comment to myself).
Look. Russell Westbrook is a far superior player than Kevin Love. Went higher in the draft. He’s a High Flyer. His molding himself into a wonder… is off the hook. Yet, Kevin Love gets the love. Crimmany.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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(Not meant as an attack on CornDog). Russell gets no where near the respect here
that Kevin Love does. Heck, even on the UCLA Homepage, the Tab for Bruins in the NBA is a pic of Kevin Love. Not Russell Westbrook. I had to email CBS Sports too. Corn Dog simply helps make my point that Russell Westbrook, for some reason, is not a household name here… and he’s done so much more. I don’t like it. Kevin Love is Great. Russell is a touch Greater.
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Westbrook has not put up historic numbers like Love
You are flat out wrong. Your bias for offense over all other things including winning has blinded you to Kevin’s once in a generation talent.
Not to mention
RW is revered here on BN and in UCLA communities in general. So I don’t understand where this complaint is coming from about “Russell” getting “no where near the respect” that KL gets.
Mr CornDog made my point (what other All-Star). But, c'mon guys... you know I'm not tryin to pick a fight.
I love the high fly style. Many fans do. I like excitement. I love winning. Winning with excitement. Can’t we co-exist? There’s thousands of fans at every game, each cheering for their own unique reasons. I have mine. Each has their own. Can’t we all get along? Go Bruins!
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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I get where it comes from
If the only column in the box score you pay attention to is “PPG”
by Tydides on Nov 21, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
(And margin of victory). Margin of victory tells me the defensive story.
Lotta steals, lotta misses, lotta pressure, and the opponents losing their will creates margin of victory. Heck, when we get beat down by a lot, it’s due to a loss of will, loss of interest in that game. Now, baseball, that’s different. The whole line score means something to me… every stat…including attendance (or lack thereof). Even Game lenght in minutes means a lot to me (who’s working fast, who’s not). lol.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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I was thinking College, not NBA. NBA margin means nothing.
Infact, day to day, college bb is way better than the NBA. College kids are hungry, trying to get there. I prefer College BB to NBA. I’d like to see the Bruins beat down the schools we’re supposed to (all the Division II schools, most mid majors, and lower echalon of Pac foes)…. and be super competitive (in the game up to the last shot) of big time programs. Can’t win ’em all, but can be in all of ’em.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
Even for college it's not useful
It’s dependant on your schedule, who you’ve played, where you played, what time in the season you played. Some schools schedule more difficult than others. Some pad their home schedules. Some have more stacked early season tournaments than others. All of which affects the margin of victory in the end. Add it all up and it’s still a useless stat.
The game has changed
Defense is more important now. Also, the style has changed. Shoot Donnie MacLean of Harrick’s team was good at the 14-18 foot jumper which is basically gone from basketball now.
See below from Indigo on Butler. They were in the finals the last two years because of Defense.
Please note I am not comparing Harrick and Howland, just agreeing with Tydides point that there is more than offense to consider.
Defense means pressure, traps, man, or zone... whatever is needed
at the time. Defensive scheme changes are extremely fluid, depending. Defense also means making sure the poorest shooter gets the ball to shoot. The best ball handler get taken away or denied the ball. We pick who on the other team gets to shoot, gets to dribble the ball up. Defense is make the other team prove they can shoot outside (zone). Mix it up. Defense is very important. Ben Howland has a defense reputation… but he has not defense bag of tricks. A master defensive coach in my book, mixes it up as needed. Ben does not. That’s why I’m not fooled by Ben’s so-called rep. It’s all marketing fluff. That man should have no problem dropping into a zone defense, if the game dictates that’s what’s needed. I am not one dimensional (offense only). I love aggression on both ends of the court. Basketball is an aggressive game.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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It's easy to say "be aggressive"
That’s just a bland platitude. You cultivate both your offensive and defensive strategies to bring out the best in your personnel. That inevitably will change from year to year even if you’re totally consistent in your recruiting philosophy. You talk about aggression yet talk about needing to mix in zone, which for most people is shorthand for the 2-3 rather than the 1-3-1 or box and one, which by nature is a passive defense. Howland’s problem is his inconsistency in how he recruits. He no longer has the players to execute his bread and butter: an aggressive switching M2M. You do yourself no favors with broad generalizations like “Basketball is (insert irrelevant adjective)”.
Correct
I’d call it more of a trapping man-to-man than a switching man to man but that’s just a gripe with the name. Howlands teams are about doubling the post, hedging hard on screens and providing excellent help defense. Our team can’t do any of that at the moment. Josh being so out of shape has forced Howland to have his bigs plug the gap instead of hedge, which Howland admitted was the first time he’s ever had to do that. The problem with plugging is the Josh, the Wears and our other bigs can’t keep the man in front of them. Then that leads to our non-existent help defense either giving up a lay-up or failing to rotate to the other teams shooters. It’s sad to watch the way our team plays D
by lil eg not cs on Nov 21, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
I only mean that the weakside big switches assignments with the forward and leaves to trap the ball when it gets thrown inside. Trapping is probably a better term though since we have also used mobile bigs like PAA or the Prince to trap guards when the hedge is working particularly well.
Younger brand?
Sorry, coach BH but maybe it’s time for a change. Younger blood perhaps, that likes to play a different brand of bball…I would love to see a Brad Stevens type come to UCLA
by Trojanswearskirts on Nov 21, 2011 11:09 AM PST reply actions
How is Butler & Brad Stevens a "different brand of bball?"
2010 UCLA Adjusted Tempo: 66.6 ppg / 173rd
2010 Butler Adjusted Tempo: 64.4 ppg / 277th
2010 UCLA played at a faster pace than Butler did. So in other words, Brad Stevens would bring a different brand of basketball — a slower one than Howland’s, which garners plenty of complaints.
But it's Butler
I would say that PPG would rise if at UCLA
by Trojanswearskirts on Nov 21, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm saying he would
I believe that the players he would bring would raise the PPG. I’m saying that Stevens has talent and that his style is close to CBH but I believe he runs a better offense than CBH.
by Trojanswearskirts on Nov 21, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I made this comment last year without generating a great deal of enthusiasm, so here it comes again.
I don’t like walking the ball up court. You then are certain to find a set defense, and less time on the shot clock to run a play. I would prefer seeing everyone running full blast up the court including the guy with the ball. Maybe we don’t find an easy shot right away, but if not, we have a couple more seconds to run our offense. It’s like when the QB waits for the defense to get set before he calls for the ball. I would like to see the QB run up to the line and get the ball immediately, while the defense is still voting on who’s going to cover who. Same thing in basketball.
I agree 100%. We walk way too much. Gives their defense plenty of time to set up.
Running the ball up full blast creates all kinds of opportunities. Consistant running up the floor catches a defender sleeping, creates some back door opportunity, keeps all our guys with eyes on the ball at all times. Offense starts the instant a rebound is grabbed or inbounds pass is made. Some coaches call walking it up, methodical. It’s a methodical way to lose momentum in my book.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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Well yeah but
Last year we pushed with Tyler Honeycutt and Reeves Nelson at the start of the year. But then we figured out that we were better with Smith involved and our PGs were not great at running the break. (While Jones has been beyond bad this year, Anderson for his career is the worst I have ever seen for a PG on the break.)
Thus, our best player can’t run (Smith) and our PGs are not good at leading the break. So we don’t have Tom Brady in the hurry up or close, and our best play takes a bit to get set up.
Not saying we should not run some but this team is not good at it.
There shouldn't be any such thing as a PG who can't run the break. Like a poster here
aptly said last week: Coach K would not be fielding the kinda squad/personnel we have. We are totally messed up. Totally.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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I agree but what about Smith
We have been hard on CBH for not recruiting a PG. But putting aside that, this team’s strength (and it was at the end of last year as well) is Smith. Smith came here because we run a set offense. Do you bench Smith because he is not suited to a running game?
We all saw Joshua Smith's lumbering body on YouTube when he was in High School.
I’m old enough to remember Shaq in High School. I mention Shaq, because as a High Schooler he was merely a slam dunker and absolutely nothing else. Well, Joshua Smith, in High School did not remind anybody of Shaquille O’Neal. In fact, Joshsua Smith was a project coming in (let’s not pretend he wasn’t). Joshua Smith, attitude wise, reminds me of my first wife (all potential, not self-motivated to do much more). Sorry for the long way around, but, here it is… if we can run, and that leaves Josh Behind, so what. Dude can post up and play in the box really good. But, we gotta have guys who can get him the ball. Do we have guys that can get Josh the ball? Can Joshua stay on the floor long enough to not draw silly fouls. Does Joshua have the attitude to learn how to play well, using his body (presence) without fouling. By all accounts, Joshua Smith basically plays as if his big body alone is more than enough to be an NBA First Rounder… get a big fat check… and call it a career. Dude does not seem motivated to do much else. Potential? Well, a man has to want to maximize his own potential.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
Would love to see JS start the break with some KL type outlet passing....
But it ain’t gonna happen.
Just for comparison's sake, these are the teams in 2011 that played at a slower tempo than UCLA
Arizona: 66.2
Villanova 66.1
New Mexico: 65.9
UConn: 65.4
Pittsburgh 63.1
USC: 63.1
Richmond 62.9
Michigan 62.7
Also, ironic that New Mexico has a slower adjusted tempo than UCLA did in 2011
Given Drew Gordon’s cited reason for leaving UCLA.
These programs run a slower tempo, true enough...
But these schools are not comparable programs to UCLA Basketball. What stands out to me, is that, indeed, this represents Ben’s ideal situation, Ben Ball, for sure. Problem is, this is not what’s wanted in UCLA Basketball. When Ben is winning, ok, we tolerate it. Emphasis on toleration. But when we’re not winning, heat comes like crazy. I’m not the only one complaining… most of Los Angeles has grown weary with Ben Howland.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
NBA: Where Greed Happens. RIP 10/10/11.
Sounds to me like you're talking about aesthetics
And I don’t know that aesthetics really matter all that much. The reality is that “going uptempo” and being a “high-flying team” is no guarantee of anything at all. If that were the case, Lorenzo Romar and Washington would have several banners by now.
Also, just so you know, last year’s national champion, UConn played at a tempo slower than UCLA. So did Duke in 2010.
by indigo27 on Nov 21, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lorenzo Romar only lacks the top tier athletes to go to Washington.
That dude does more with less. A hell of a lot more. Do guys contemplate between UNC and Washington? Duke and Washington? Should I go to Kansas or Washington? Kentucky or Washington? Washington isn’t even on the radar of America’s best players (proof is NBA’ers from Washington). Lorenzo Romar gets a lot out of his guys… which is why Lorenzo Romar owns Ben Howland head up. Word. (I’m gonna check our win-loss, Howland vs. Romar).
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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Howland .690 Romar .660
Upthread it sounded like you were suggesting tempo was the end-all. So if uptempo is everything, why hasn’t Romar won more games?
He has in fact recruited plenty of top-tier athletes to Seattle — Wroten (5), Ross (4), Simmons (4), N’Diaye (4), Gaddy (5), Suggs (4), Thomas (4), Breshers (4), Bryan-Amaning (4), Holiday (4), Hawes (5), Pondexter (5), Brockman (5), Jones (4), Roy (4).
That’s a fleet of four-star and five-star recruits!
Don't bother giving this guy stats
He’s just a malcontent who wants to watch “exciting” fast paced basketball for no reason other than his personal enjoyment.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
He must be a big fan of the Keydets
or the Golden Grizzlies since they led the NCAA in scoring last year. I wonder why most basketball fans have not heard of those teams.
Head to Head... Lorenzo 9 wins Ben 7 wins
When we win, we win on average by 9.4 points.
When we lose, we lose on average by 10.78 points.
The only time we swept, was Ben’s first year. We won 86-84 in OT. We won 80-75. 2003-2004.
I’m sorry, but I regard UCLA to be a far superior program to the University of Washington. Statistically, however, that has not played out at all.
NBA: Washington
NAME TEAM POSITION (6 Players)Brockman, Jon Milwaukee Bucks Forward
Hawes, Spencer Philadelphia 76ers Center
Pondexter, Quincy New Orleans Hornets Small Forward
Robinson, Nate Oklahoma City Thunder Point Guard
Roy, Brandon Portland Trail Blazers Shooting Guard
Thomas, Isaiah Sacramento Kings Guard
UCLA:
NBA Players By College – UCLA (16 Players)NAME TEAM POSITION
Afflalo, Arron Denver Nuggets Shooting Guard
Ariza, Trevor New Orleans Hornets Small Forward
Barnes, Matt Los Angeles Lakers Small Forward
Collison, Darren Indiana Pacers Point Guard
Davis, Baron Cleveland Cavaliers Point Guard
Farmar, Jordan New Jersey Nets Point Guard
Gadzuric, Dan New Jersey Nets Center
Holiday, Jrue Philadelphia 76ers Point Guard
Hollins, Ryan Cleveland Cavaliers Center
Honeycutt, Tyler Sacramento Kings Forward
Kapono, Jason Philadelphia 76ers Small Forward
Lee, Malcolm Minnesota Timberwolves Guard
Love, Kevin Minnesota Timberwolves Power Forward
Mbah a Moute, Luc Richard Milwaukee Bucks Small Forward
Watson, Earl Utah Jazz Point Guard
Westbrook, Russell Oklahoma City Thunder Point Guard
Like I said… Lorenzo Romar kicks our butts with far less!
He’s got 6 players in the NBA. We’ve got 16.
I pulled off ESPN Website.
Washington does well against us for one reason… uptemp game!
Now, where’s Master Ben’s Defense At Work Here? smh.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
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It's all about the players (and don't pad the list with non-Howland guys)
When we had Afflalo, Farmar, Moute, Love, Westbrook we did fine with Wash. But when we faulty elites like Honeycutt, Jrue Holiday, Jerime, we tank.
THe problem is Howland has failed at recruiting in the recent years and that to me is when we’ve really struggled to even win 1 against Wash.
I’ve always said that the key to Howland going forward is how he recruits this year and next.
yeah, I didn't scrub the list. And frankly...
you guys are wearing out this old man lol. I can’t keep up. lol. I concede, everything. By the time I look up something, another guy has answered. Uncle! lol. Tasser’s, right (see below). I’m a fan for enjoyment purposes. You guys are more akin to sports writers and journalists. Bravo! Go Bruins!. Win a game or two or three in Hawaii!
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We are neither "sports writers" or "journalists"
We follow and talk about our UCLA programs based in reality. That’s all.
What Nestor said
I’m no journalist — not anymore, that is. But as he said, I prefer to use reality when it comes to dissecting Bruin basketball. Perceptions can be faulty — which is why objective measures make more sense.
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