UCLA Transfers vs UCLA Bruins - How Is This Possible?
A random thought occurred to me while I was lamenting the current status of our basketball program and how it's possible that CBH could have fallen so far so fast. I don't know what the reasons are, but the craziest thing of all is that I don't think any program in the history of college basketball can legitimately say this: A starting five composed entirely of currently playing transfers from one school would make a better starting five than the one that currently plays for the team they transferred from. (I'm going to use Howland's most preferred starting five, but we all know this is a fluid situation). At first I thought there was no way this is possible, but I'll let you be the judge:
PG - Matt Carlino vs Lazeric Jones: Carlino has yet to play one minute for BYU and it doesn't even matter; how pathetic is that? Anyone who can give me one good reason why Jones deserves the nod over Carlino, I'm all ears. As it stands, the transfers are already up one on at the most important spot on the floor.
SG - Jerime Anderson vs Chace Stanback: Jermie, along with Lamb and Powell, is one of the few guys actually competing, but let's take a look at the numbers because this one is truly a close call. Chase is averaging 13 point, 6 rebounds and 1 block. Jerime is averaging 13 points, 3 rebounds, and 3.5 assists. Jerime is shooting a very solid .514 from the floor to go along with a .474 from the land of three. Just when you think we might have a victory, here comes Chace. Chace matches Jerime with .514 shooting to go along with a very impressive .500 from three. It's early in the season and percentages will normalize, but Chace is taking on average 4.8 threes a game so the stats are legit. Add in the fact that Chace stands a solid 6'8 to Jerime 6'3 and unfortunately, the point goes to the transfers once again.
SF - Tyler Lamb vs Mike Moser: I hate to do this to Lamb because he also out there competing and has truly improved his offensive game, but Mike Moser has been an absolute revelation in the desert. With averages of 16 ppg, 13.0 rbg, 3.2apg, 3.8spg, and 1.2bpg; Moser has been everything he was supposed to be when he decided to come to UCLA after Lute Olson was out at Arizona. There is no need to even bring up Lamb's stats in this discussion, Moser would easily be the best player on our current team and a potential Pac-12 player of the year candidate. In case anyone was wondering, UNLV is 6-0 with 2 former Bruins starting and will most likely be playing UNC tomorrow night. We've already lost to the transfers, but lets keep going.
PF - Travis Wear vs Drew Gordon: I know Gordon is not a friend of the program by any means, and deservedly so, but I can't help but think there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we have absolutely no idea about. New Mexico is off to a tough start (but they do have two wins against D1 teams unlike us) and our old pal Gordon is averaging a double double; 10 points and 10 rebounds a game. Once again, if you've been following our team, I don't think I even need to discuss Travis Wear. I know Gordon was a problem, but there is no arguing who is the better player. Another win for the transfers.
C - David Wear vs Jmison Morgan: Good ol Bobo. When you start to think of it, it's almost comical all the things that have taken place around our program over the past couple of years. I needed a center and he was the only one I could think, but I feel like I am leaving someone out. At any rate, Bobo hasn't played a game for the Bears yet due to injury, but once he returns, I'm sure he can contribute at the very least as much as the interchangeable Wear twins do. We will go ahead and score this one a draw even though every last inch of me says the Morgan wins.
So there you have it, the transfers have us beat at every position. They have a legitimate star in Mike Moser. They have the perfect complimentary scorer in Stanback. They have a rugged defender and rebounder at the power forward spot who can also put the ball in the bucket. They have size, speed and quickness on the perimeter with beef inside. Carlino and Morgan are the wild cards, but all they would have to do is contribute and if Carlino is half as good as he is supposed to be, this team would be looking at a sweet 16 run. Ironically, if I had to pick any coach to coach a team of cast offs like this, it would probably be Ben Howland.
I could keep on writing about how baffling this is all to me, but I will say this in closing. Those who say CBH isn't recruiting the right players might just be a little wrong. He definitely is recruiting at least some of the right players, but whether it be the NBA or another University, he just isn't keeping them.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Re Carlino
I can give you a perfect reason why he wouldn’t be starting at UCLA. He’s a freshman and not a favorite.
Interesting Post
1. Can’t agree. Jones looked better last year. This year, you are right, Carlino not playing looks better than Jones. But Jones last year was playing much better and more solid. Carlino looked like a high school sophomore.
2. Agree. Anderson is playing well this year but Stanback has done more over his career. Of course, how you get Stanback minutes on the Kevin Love team I don’t know.
3. Agree. This is the most damaging. Not only has Moser played well but the most damning part for CBH may be in the way he was used. CBH used Moser as a wing and 50% of his shots were from 3. Moser is playing great, among the national leaders in rebounds, but he still can’t shoot a three (0-11 this year). Moser was a four not a CBH wing.
4. Mixed. Gordon has caused problems there as well. I guess you are right but I can’t pick Gordon. New Mexico went on a losing streak last year when he became eligible. I can’t say he is better for those reasons, but I am not saying your point does not have merit.
5. Disagree. Travis is the backup 5, so I compare him. He is better than Bobo. Bobo still is great potential no effort. Both Wears have already at UCLA beat his career high in points and rebounds. Not defending the Wears, but they are better than Bobo.
I would probably have to agree with you on Bobo...
but my frustration/anger has the best of me.
Totally understand
I am taking deep breathes between basketball posts this year. Partially because there is so much going on and so many good posts, but also trying not to lose perspective. It is hard impossible not to be angry and/or frustrated right now.
totally agree with you
and I might go further in saying I prefer our current headcase to our old headcase at the 4 (notwithstanding the OP’s desire to present things as pessimistically as possible, I like Reeves in a matchup with Gordon)
Thanks, I will add
I think Reeves head is okay if we are winning. Not good, mind you, but tolerable. If we keep losing . . .
Gordon is a problem regardless.,
The only one off that list who was a real net negative is Moser, for obvious reasons
Carlino – as you pointed out, he isn’t even playing. Although given Zeek’s season so far, perhaps Carlino “minutes” are all Zeek deserves at this point. But Zeek was clearly a contributor last year. I doubt Carlino — even if Howland gave him minutes — would do as much as Zeek did.
Stanback – as DC mentioned, finding minutes for him ahead of Westbrook, Collison, and Shipp just wasn’t going to happen. It wasn’t going to happen the following year either, with Collison, Shipp, Anderson, and Lee ahead of him. It could’ve happened in 09-10, with Honeycutt missing the start of the season, but it would’ve been unrealistic to expect him to wait his frosh and soph years out. Plus, he would’ve graduated last year had he stayed at UCLA, so he doesn’t really fit in the 11-12 conversation.
Gordon – if he couldn’t handle being disciplined, not to mention accept his role in the offense, then he absolutely should’ve gone.
Morgan – I’m absolutely negative on the Wears, but I have no reason to think they wont be net positives over Morgan. In just five games, it’s possible they’ve already eclipsed his total production at UCLA. Moreover, there was absolutely no reason to give him PT over Nelson, or Keefe.
If I may...
I’m not arguing whether or not any of their departures were justified/unjustified, simply that it’s amazing to me the kind of talent that has left our program. It’s unprecedented in college basketball, at least as far back as I can remember.
Furthermore, countless other programs are able to find minutes for players to at least pacify them until their opportunity arises. Something needs to be said for CBH’s inability to do so.
I’ve been as ardent a supporter of coaches as any, but what has transpired this year is beyond belief.
saw Drew Gordon play for New Mexico
at the 76 classic in Anaheim 2 days ago. He still has a bad attitude and frankly wasn’t that good. He put up some numbers but didn’t seam to really impact the game. and after they lost he slammed the ball down in angry. I know this post is about the production of the players but Gordon didn’t seem to make his team better.
Yeah, I agree
That is why I am okay with losing Gordon.
I watched that Santa Clara game...
And to me he still has attitude problems, but he definitely has a competitive fire. He is 2-0 against the Pac-12 this year and UNM started slow as a team against Santa Clara. I’ll be watching tonight to pay more attention to Gordon, but the Wears get destroyed down low and all they want to do is take 18 foot jumpers. Love Reeves, but Howland is having trouble with him as well. Definitely something is not right…

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