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2011 UCLA Coaching Search: Media Moron – Ramona Shelburne (ESPNLA) Edition

Right now huge chunks of traditional media outlet are just filled with ignorant gossips and often downright idiotic observations and concerning news related UCLA football coaching search. That is why we are seeing constant rumors and names of candidates that are often being fabricated by suspect sources. My suggestion stop listening to talk radio nonsense (it kills your brain cells) and more importantly pay very close attention to writers of articles (often the concern trolling is hot and heavy coming from alums of rival schools).

That tip aside, I thought maybe it could be a good idea to start a new blogging "feature" on BruinsNation which will zero in on specific instances of stupidity that may be worth highlighting in a standalone post to embarrass the culprit. Tonight we will start with an amusing case involving ESPNLA's Ramona Shelburne.

77Bruin flagged an interesting "roundtable" on ESPNLA discussing "what's next for UCLA football." In the roundtable Peter Yoon (who has done a pretty decent job over all as the main UCLA beat writer) and Blair Angulo (Bruin alum, former Daily Bruin Sports Editor) provides observations that are all fairly on point. Even Mark Saxon, USC's beat writer for ESPN provides some decent observations on whether UCLA can compete in the Pac-12, the pitch it can offer to top recruits and also the challenges we face as a program.

Then there was Ramona Shellburn, who served as the poster child of utter ignorance and uninformed opinion that often runs rampant in Southern California's traditional media. Let's start with the following drivel from Ramona on UCLA's biggest challenge in reestablishing our football program:

Shelburne: UCLA's biggest problem the last decade or so has been in recruiting, specifically in Los Angeles. The best players in this town have been consistently going to USC or other schools in the conference. Only a few have found their way to Westwood. Karl Dorrell's last few classes at UCLA had started to stem that tide with players like Brian Price (Crenshaw) and Rahim Moore (Dorsey) but the last couple of seasons that's fallen off again. The next coach needs to own L.A., or at least do a lot better.

Get that? She is suggesting our problem has been recruiting since departure of Karl Dorrell. When you read answers like that you have to wonder if someone like her ever attended college. If she had some sort of basic awareness in recruiting she would have know how Rick Neuheisel lit up the recruiting trail in his first three years hauling in classes that were ranked 8th (2010), 5th (2009), and 10th (2008). Of course after last year's downturn the recruiting trajectory trended downward which necessitated the termination of Neuheisel. But for Shellburne to suggest that recruiting has been an issue in recent years is either misinformed or downright moronic. Oh it gets worse. Follow me after the jump.

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Shelburne also dropped the following gem when asked whether Chris Petersen should take the UCLA gig:

Shelburne: It really depends on what he wants out of life. Everything I've heard about Chris Petersen is that he loves it in Boise, values the stability he has there and enjoys the small-town charms of the place. Other schools have tried to lure him away and he's said no. The difference this time is that the school is moving to the Big East Conference soon, he's graduating quarterback Kellen Moore and a majority of the starters off this year's team. The time might be right. If it's not, I'd like to see UCLA step back and find a young, hungry coach with something to prove, such as former defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker or University of San Diego's Ron Caragher.

Really there is not much else to say when you read that bolded sentence. That tells you pretty much all you need to know how about her acumen and understanding when it comes to UCLA athletics. So after almost almost 15 years of hiring either inexperienced or retread coaches that have driven our program to this point, she wants UCLA to pursue former retreads connected to previous failed regimes in Westwood to get this program going? Really? Seriously? This passes for "journalism" on tWWL?

How do these people get to opine as "experts." Oh I guess I shouldn't be too surprised given it's being offered up on the platform of the same network that has given us Craig James.

GO BRUINS.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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She's a MORON

UCLA Athletics? I don’t think she understands any sports at all. I always thought her work at the LA Daily News was suspect and couldn’t imagine how ESPN would want to waste their time with her.

by BruinFaithful on Dec 2, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Or

if she has any clue about Caragher’s “recruiting prowess” at UCLA.

by Nestor on Nov 29, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Walker definitely has something to prove…that he can actually be a head coach. No thanks Ramona.

by McNown to Farmer on Nov 29, 2011 7:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Who shoul BSPN get to replace Ramona?

Maybe a chimp?

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by gbruin on Nov 29, 2011 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Who is Caragher?

I know that DW should not be even an option but who is this other coach? Yup, the other 3 writers in that roundtable actually had good points (that agree for the most part with BN) but she is a true idiot.

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Nov 29, 2011 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

That really was the most laughable part.

At least do us the favor of listing coaches that people have heard of.

Today Jack Del Rio was fired by the Jacksonville Jaguars. During the ongoing commentary of his dismissal the question was asked, ‘what is next for him’. Somebody suggested UCLA, since it would get him back in LA; he went to school at USC, he might want the challenge.

I found the suggestion laughable. But, AT LEAST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF JACK DEL RIO!

/excusethecapslock.

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by MexiBruin on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

was she the one

during the presser yesterday that asked about the new head coach coming in with the “cupboard bare” or something to that effect? The talent is there, a new HC could come in and be very successful, certainly much more so than when Rick started.

by Bruins Pride on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Seriously, what qualifies as an "expert"

What are the qualifications for opining on College Football over there? Shelburne was a softball player in college, worked as a beat writer for the Daily News out of College, goes to ESPNLA and now is telling us what UCLA needs in their next coach. On top of that, she gives no data to support any of her baseless opinions, ridiculous.

by CPOBruin on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

Just to point out another major flaw in her whole recruiting argument

Recruiting in LA has not been a problem. Just from those 3 classes.

2008
-Rahim Moore (Dorsey) 5*
-Jonathan Franklin (Dorsey) 3* but turned into a damn good player
-Aaron Hester (Dominguez) 4*
-Tony Dye (Corona Santiago) 4*
-Datone Jones (Compton) 4*
-Milton Knox (Birmingham) 4*
-Nick Crissman (Edison) 4*
-Patrick Larimore (Hart) 3*
-E.J. Woods (Crespi) 4*

2009
-Randall Carroll (Cathedral) 4* who was a hard USC commit,
-Morrell Presley (Carson) 5* another USC commit, probably most hurt by the Pistol but had his own issues.
-Marlon Pollard (Cajon) 4*
-Todd Golper (Arcadia) 4*
-Tepa and McKay both 3* but were out of Long Beach Poly.
-Richard Brehaut (Los Osos) 4* horribly misused and screwed by the Pistol

2010
-Anthony Jefferson (Cathedral) 4*
-Dietrich Riley (St. Francis) 4*
-Jordan Zumalt (Edison) 4*
-Anthony Barr (Loyola) 4*
-Cassius Marsh (Oaks Christian) 4*
-Jordan James (Corona) 4*
-Chris Ward (Mater Dei) 4*
-Malcolm Jones (Oaks Christian) 5* National Gatorade Player of the Year

Not to mention the Paul Richardson (4* out of J. Serra who was supposed to be the key to George Farmer), Shaquille Richardson (3* Los Alamitos) and Josh Shirley (4* Kaiser), all of whom were highly praised recruits.

2011 (the worst class and this class will hurt us in 2 years)
-Devin Lucien (Crespi) 4*
-Torian White (Lakewood) 3*

2012 (so far)
-Lacy Westbrook (Dominguez) 4*

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 29, 2011 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

Pollard is NOT from LA

Cajon is located in San Bernardino, also there are a lot of orange county commits you listed. I agree with your premise though, recruiting has NOT been a problem.

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by milesdavis93 on Nov 29, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

the first half of my username should give you an idea of how aware I am of where Pollard was from.

The Corona guys aren’t technically LA guys either, nor was my former teammate Josh Shirley.

But I included all of the 4* guys from Southern Cal to show that SoCal recruiting isn’t an issue.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 29, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

There is an argument that Neuheisel's recruiting had deficiencies.

Just saying recruiting has been a problem as a generic matter is a bit weak and I doubt Shelburne gave it much thought other than just as a stock statement said about every coach that is fired.

But there is an argument that Neuheisel’s recruiting had deficiencies.

First, often times he loaded up on RBs, DBs, WRs, and ATHs, which are notoriously overrated by services such as Rivals and Scout because those players look good at camps and in 7-on-7s. If a coach wants to make an easy splash in recruiting, signing a bunch of fast guys with big high school stats is the way to go. But it doesn’t necessarily make for a complete recruiting approach.

Second, if you believe that a team is built inside-out (as I do), then there’s a decent argument that Neuheisel did not recruit effectively enough on the OL and DL. The average star ratings at both spots aren’t bad, but they do lag behind USC (admittedly not really behind most other schools in the Pac-12). On top of that, most of the DLs that Neuheisel signed came in as smallish DEs, meaning if you want to have a dominant DT – a must for stopping the run – you either must hope an undersized DT plays above himself or that you have enough time to put 70+ pounds on that 230 pound DE (or 220 point tight end or linebacker for that matter) you’ve converted – and he turns out to be a stud despite the transformation. It is not a coincidence in my view that UCLA’s defense has been awful against the run in Neuheisel’s tenure (more than 5 yds/carry the last two seasons).

Third, in Neuheisel’s tenure he didn’t recruit well enough at QB – especially when you consider his reputation and experience for coaching offense and Norm Chow’s reputation and experience for coaching offense.

Finally, between 2008 and 2011 there were 13 Rivals.com 5-stars from the state of California. Neuheisel did not get any of them (USC got 8 of them). He was 0-for-6 on California kids to which ESPN.com gave an 85 or better grade (USC got 3 of them). Hey, look, it isn’t easy to land 5-stars. But if the point is to compete for championships and to beat USC, then you’re going to have to win at least some of those head-to-head battles for the true cream of the crop.

The good thing for the next head coach is that USC is limited to taking just 15 guys for each of the next three years. So even if the new guy can’t trump USC, then as long as he can close the fence to keep from getting beat for SoCal kids by non-SoCal schools, then he should be able to land pretty solid talent. Whether that’s good enough to win championships or go toe-to-toe on a consistent basis with USC – we’ll see.

by whodoes on Nov 30, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

He brought in who he could in the trenches. You can only have so many of them in a single class without handicapping your team and our high rated classes were loaded with linemen. What you say about his recruiting preference for the skill positions was his undoing at other schools, not ours. Developing the line is a whole different matter, but at least he recruited them, unlike his predecessor, which is who Shelburne is comparing him to.

by Tydides on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

And...Mason & Ireland were spewing out drivel about how the next coach has to have the appeal to go get recruits out of state.

Which was even more absurd than Shelburne. CRN was a monster out-of-state recruiter

2008
-Aundre Dean (Katy, Texas) 4*
-Jeff Locke (Glendale, Arizona) 4* strikes me as odd that there can be a 4* punter.

2009
-Damian Thigpen (Manassas, Virginia) 4* What happened to him this season? Did he redshirt or get hurt?
-Stan Hasiak (Kapolei, Hawaii) 4*
-Xavier Sula-Filo (Provo, Utah) 4*
-Keenan Graham (Las Vegas, Nevada) 4*
-Dalton Hilliard (Honolulu, Hawaii) 3*

2010
-Owa Odighizuwa (Portland, Oregon) 5*
-Sealii Espensa (Honolulu, Hawaii) 3*
-Aramide Olaniyan (Woodberry Forest, Virginia) 4*
-Derrick Bryant (Colombus, Ohio) 3*

2011
-Kevin McReynolds (Washington, D.C) 3*
-Brett Hundley (Chandler, Arizona) 5*
-Sam Tai (Henderson, Nevada) 3*
-Jacob Brendel (Plano, Texas) 3*

That is one hell of a job considering he had a 21-28 record.

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-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 29, 2011 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

Thigpen

was hurt all season i’m pretty sure and used his redshirt year

by bucknellbruin on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

correct

injured hamstring early in the season and never really recovered.

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by firstto100 on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

These two are u$c homers

And very illiterate about UCLA football.

by Markpav44 on Nov 29, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ireland is a UCLA grad

but they are both blowhards when it comes to talking about anything but the Lakers. Very uninformed and almost impossible to listen to. I just caught them on the drive home from school today and they were talking about the UCLA coaching situation, couldn’t turn it.

They are better than the Loose Cannons or whatever the 570 show is at the same time. Vic the Brick is a tool, I can’t listen to him.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious question for you guys

And I don’t mean this to be confrontational at all. I am curious why do you guys even bother listening these blowhards?

by Nestor on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Finally

I have been preaching and preaching, and finally it looks like I have gotten through to someone. The blowhards on radio programs may well have some bits and pieces of knowledge that the average fan doesn’t have, but probably not. They are experts on everything, and that’s not possible.

The fact of the matter is that blowhards exist to fill air time. Their expertise is filling air time. How many people remember Ed Bieler, the Superfan? He had no actual knowledge of anything, but he was “on air talent.” (Jim Healy fans will remember that he talked about that tall center from Africa, Manuel Boat aka Manute Bol, and will also remember him as the River Man because he reminded us that the Los Angeles River ran right through downtown San Antonio.)

by Fox 71 on Nov 30, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Just for talk radio Fox and generally ESPN studio shows

Although I still need the “sound” on at least for background noise during the actual games.

by Nestor on Nov 30, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm driving from 8:30-9:30 in the morning and then stuck in traffic for an hour and a half between 2-6. 5 days a week.

My CD player is broken in my truck. I get tired of the radio and edited music.

So, when I don’t just drive in the quiet or with someone else. i listen to sports radio.

No real loyalty beyond that and will probably stop listening once I get my truck’s sound system fixed.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 30, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha

That’s what I assumed. It’s probably huge in states with car cultures. In urban setting with public transportation you can just cruise through your mobiles and tablets.

by Nestor on Nov 30, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it isn't like I'm a loyal, call-in once a week listener to any of these programs.

I just catch bits and pieces during my trips home.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 30, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll pay for your sound system

if it means you don’t have to listen to that garbage :)

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Seeing as I've been putting this off since my driver-side rear speaker blew out in 2008.

I would appreciate that greatly. haha.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Nov 30, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

both also carry a sense of arrogant know-it-all bs attitude

and that guy Mason… don’t get me started. Oddly enough PMS and Rome is the only legit programs to listen to.

by tommybruin on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ignore moronic Bemoana Shellbrain

She talks so matter-of-factly as though she’s had 30 years under her belt as a coach in every friggin major sport. It’s so damn annoying. Hard to believe she’s a former athlete and Stanford grad. I guess there’s anomalies in everything.

by tommybruin on Nov 29, 2011 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

BTW did anyone listen to the interview with Troy Aikman on PMS?

Heard they were going to try to confirm the rumors on all the efforts going after Petersen. Would’ve listened, but was sent out on a diaper run.

by tommybruin on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

Greetings from Gramps

I’ve been flying coast to coast and spending time with new grandson. I’m glad to hear that something got accomplished while I was incommunicado.

I see no need for more numbers (and again thanks to KS for translating them.) The numbers were intended to be evidence of CTS’s incompetence. I think we need to generate that same sort of number regarding Guerrerror.

by Fox 71 on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

Congrats on the grandson, Fox!

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

New coach

I heard Charlie Weis is a leading candidate.

by TrojanMatt on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

LMAO

We already have one donut eater on staff. Can’t imagine what would happen if he was brought on board. It would be a lot like dividing by 0.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Nov 29, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

All ESPN affiliated media is pro SC

and will do everything they can, from suggesting bad coaches, to mocking UCLA, to ensure that UCLA does not make a good hire.

by silverlakebruin on Nov 30, 2011 6:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Reasons

- they thought Pete Carroll was cool (see stupid commercial of Herbstreit in Carroll’s office)
- they are celebrity hounds (if the Kardashians were football players, they’d be all over them)
- well, UCLA has sucked for 13 years
- The Walt Disney Company, which owns ESPN, employs tons of Trogans

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Pete Carroll is cool...

I met him at a Nike Football Training Camp at ’SC. Really nice guy, actually. Kiffin on the other hand…. well this sums it up: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/962150-2011-usc-football-why-lane-kiffin-is-the-perfect-coach-for-the-trojans

No need to hate for the sake of hating

by Bruin on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I am glad you think Petey is "cool"

He is cheating, classless, scumbag. We have documented why he is such a pos sleazeball numerous times on BN. If you want to discuss how “cool” he is you will have to find a Trogan site.

by Nestor on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Nahh I’m a student at ucla…

I’m just saying I’ve met the guy and he was really nice and approachable and I’m also holding to the opinion that he was indeed “cool.”

Regardless of what’s been said or heard about him, that’s my opinion from firsthand experience which I trust more than pretty much all other sources… I just thought it best to share the opinion. Didn’t realize Carroll talk had been prohibited on BN.

by Bruin on Dec 2, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

John Wayne gacy was really nice and approachable......

…..no prohibition but doubt you’ll find msny here that think Carroll – a cheat and liar- is a great guy.

by tazmiami on Dec 3, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions  

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