UCLA Coaching Hot Stove: Thoughts on a "Search Plan" & a Message for Chancellor Gene Block
King J77 makes a money point:
There is no guarantee with any coach we hire. Urban Meyer might not work out for tOSU and if we get Petersen, there's a chance he wouldn't work out for UCLA. The important thing is that UCLA goes out and hires top guys that give UCLA a chance to be national player in CFB.
I think that's a point that is worth hammering home again and again at a time like this. I can sense there is a lot of anxiety here and all over Bruin Nation about our ongoing coaching search. It is tough not be anxious when we have an Athletic Director in charge, who well ... I don't really have to get into it. You know the details about Chianti Dan.
The issue I want to zero in on is not who should be our preferred candidates. I think we need to reflect a bit on the actual process. Since Coach Wooden and Vermeil left, UCLA has had a terrible track record when it comes to executing a coaching search for a high profile candidate for a major revenue program except for the case of Ben Howland. When UCLA hired Howland, Bruins did it despite constant snickers and ignorant from the traditional media outlet bloviating about how we couldn't afford to pay big for a top tier head coach and that we would be better of pursuing left over candidates opining. [See one of the all time most stupid, ignorant, and misinformed column from ESPN's "basketball guru" Andy Katz from March of 2003 suggesting Pat Douglass (UCI at the time) and Bob Williams (UCSB at the time as realistic candidates to succeed Steve Lavin as the head coach of UCLA basketball]. This time with football at a crossroad the situation is not any different with media morons, concern trolls or in some cases Bruin haters fabricating rumors or just offering ridiculously uninformed and idiotic analysis when it comes to state of UCLA football.
We have had just ONE instance of Bruins pulling of a successful (at the time) hire in football and basketball in last 30 years of UCLA athletics. No wonder iit is tough to have any confidence in a closed search process as noted by Classof66 in the comment thread of previous post.
So the question I have is whether the UCLA brass - whoever it is (beyond Chianti Dan) - has a smart and strategic plan in place so that they could methodically go through their top tier options and lock into the right person with an offer, they will feel extremely confident about being accepted. Let me expand on this more after the jump.
Here is what I am getting at. Honestly, I get lot of you are already in "love" with Chris Petersen (hey, check out this thread!). I also understand many of us also are for good reasons enamored with Mike Leach. They both are excellent coaches. The issue for me is whether or not UCLA gets Petersen. I think he is potentially a great fit. The issue for me is whether the UCLA brass has a plan in place that entails being in close contact with a coaching candidate like Mike Leach, and letting him know that they are looking at him very closely through this process.
If after the coaching search is over and we end up with an unproven candidate like Kevin Sumlin (who doesn't have a track record of building a power house program) or a retread like Mike Bellotti (who has been out of the game for almost half a decade), we will put on an all out full court press on Gene Block and on UCLA as an institution to not just get rid of Chianti Dan but all his cronies in Morgan Center. Dan Guerrero should know that his job is on the line.
We are happy to give Guerrero room to help influential UCLA alums such as Casey Wasserman, Troy Aikman and Cade McNown to lead the current effort and get us a top notch coach despite his lack of vision and leadership. However, we are closely keeping an eye without getting too emotionally invested in any particular candidate.
If Guerrero was an aggressive and competent athletic director he would have had a timeline in place that would roughly resemble the following:
- At the end of the last season, he would have called Rick Neuheisel in and let him know in very specific terms about his expectations for this current season. It would have been in line with the baseline expectations set up and discussed on BN time and time again along with having a team that performed consistently every game.
- During this off-season a competent athletic director would have put together a short list of 5-6 coaching candidates (along with some backup ones) and started sending feelers through back channels that UCLA may come calling in case Neuheisel didn't meet the expectations in 2011 football season. Believe it or not UCLA was actually doing this prior to Lavin's season with a few top tier basketball coaches including Ben Howland.
- After the Arizona game, a competent and decisive athletic director would have fired Neuheisel that Sunday, appointed an interim coach (letting him know "interim" meant "interim") and launched his coaching search based on the plan and list drawn up during offseason.
- UCLA should have been in position to do finishing touches at this point by making offers to someone, who they knew would sign it, and then jump on a private jet to arrive in West LA
Instead from what we have picked up in the reports, so far UCLA doesn't seem to have such a plan in place and they are putting all their eggs in one basket. If UCLA is able to execute on the current plan which appears to be around one coach, and brings him into Westwood, then it will be ok (although we are going to keep the full court press on Chianti Dan).
However, we start seeing reports UCLA going after candidates like Kevin Sumlin and Mike Bellotti in a serious way, it will get ugly. What is so illogical about the Bruins going after these guys is that for first time it's clear UCLA is going to be opening up the check book. Well if the Bruins are going to be looking to spend $4 million per year, they should have a plan in place (not draw up on the fly if for some reason their top target says no) that would entail going after elite coaches. If you look at this breakdown from USA Today, prior to Urban Meyer's signing, there were 3 coaches who make more than $ 4 million per year. So if we have that kind of financial leverage, it would look silly if the Bruins are targeting unproven guys like Sumlin or retread like Bellotti.
If Guerrero and his lieutenants were competent and know anything about college football, they'd already done the research for these salaries and would have a short target list drawn up during off-season which should have included names such as Mark Dantonio, Bo Pellini, Charlie Strong, Mike Gundy and so on. The mantra here has always been dreaming big and thinking big. As noted by P even impartial observers such as CoachesHotSeatBlogagrees with what we are suggesting in this approach.
So if Bruins end up getting someone like a Sumlin or a Bellotti it will be considered a total epic fail on the part of Guerrero and his embattled athletic department already under fire. It is clear he is feeling the heat. It is clear UCLA as an institution is feeling the heat (as evidenced by efforts by "UCLA Fund" officials to do damage control here on BN).
Let's make it clear to Chancellor Gene Block. If UCLA has to settle for a coach who is not an elite candidate, we will only turn up the heat for a wholesale regime change in Westwood.
GO BRUINS.
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Deja vu all over again
This is begining to “smell” a lot like the post CTS coaching search…like we have seen this flick before.
The problem then (certainly was) and the problem now (very likely repeating itself) is the fail on this point you make;
•During this off-season a competent athletic director would have put together a short list of 5-6 coaching candidates (along with some backup ones) and started sending feelers through back channels that UCLA may come calling in case Neuheisel didn’t meet the expectations in 2011 football season. Believe it or not UCLA was actually doing this prior to Lavin’s season with a few top tier basketball coaches including Ben Howland.
This is so on the money and just another example of why we have a huge problem with this AD. He’s guessing…and he “threw out” Petersen’s name because he remembered that guy from 2008…if he gets Petersen, make no mistake, someone else made the “get” because grr-error has no plan, no clue and now is just scrambling to come up with something.
Secondly, (great point Nestor) we can’t be paying top dollar for anything less than top talent…and lastly, why do we have to keep reminding this dolt what his job is supposed to be…seriously. He needs to go.
A competent athletic director
would have been laying the groundwork for the changes they are now comtemplating 10 years ago when he got hired, and would have had those changes in place before even hiring Neuheisal. That fact it has taken Dan a decade to decide to live in the modern world shows how desperately we need him gone.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not so sure he 'decided' so much as he was forced.
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi
Another thing to consider...
A competent coach (as C Petersen appears to be)
may laugh at the thought of being employed by a school that has CD as their A.D.
by ConfofChamps on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I believe all of ESPN has an agenda
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they get talking points every day, just like Fox News.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Lots of Trogans at the parent company
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Steven A Smith
was on a whole new level of deuchbaggery last night. If we had a competent AD we’d threaten to remove all ESPN access to UCLA until they offer a public apology for his BS.
What did he do?
And is he still on TV? I remember he had a horribly failed ESPN show a couple years ago.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Steven A Smith
He was good on the radio in Philly 12-13 years ago, now too mainstream. ESPN…. hahhaahaha.
Classic...
So now Karl Dorrell was just a misunderstood genius who didn’t get enough time at UCLA, right? BCS games were just around the corner! My favorite line from the article…
“The wins were coming, they just weren’t coming at a fast enough rate.I probably should have put that more on the front burner instead of the back burner when I was trying to build all those other things up. … That’s the biggest thing I know I’ll do, if there is a next opportunity; it is going to be a faster-paced process of getting everything to be maximized and productive as early as possible”
Whoa! Winning is important in college football and needs to be a priority?! How did we let this guy get away?!
Oh, and I’d bet anything that the anonymous player quoted in the article is Taylor Embree.
"Even if God is dead, you still gotta kiss his ass" - Tony Soprano
This was my favorite part.
Did Dorrell lose to USC 66-19 in 2005? Yes. But UCLA just lost 50-0 to a USC team with less talent than the 2005 team had.
Hey, he only lost by 47! Rejoice!
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
That ND game was the worst home loss
of the Dorrell regime. This is another reason to keep away from all former Bruins on our next hire. This place needs “fresh eyes”. He was never going to get the kids neccessary to compete. 5 years, you had your chance. Ancient revisionist history.
oh man that was awful
I remember going to that game and I don’t think I’ve ever been that disgusted with the state of UCLA football
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
What the article fails to address...
is that Bob Toledo left KD a program that was actually in pretty good shape compared to what he left Rick Neuheisel. One of the mods on BRO opined that nearly 40% of the roster left by KD was second division WAC level.
The cupboard was bare.
"Even if God is dead, you still gotta kiss his ass" - Tony Soprano
Right
We went through painstaking detail to destroy’s KD’s talent excuse. Toledo left a program that had decent NFL talent. I mean Shelburn mentions Moore yet forgets to mention how it was Dorrell’s stupidity that drove Moore away to Oregon State.
Toledo was 1 loss (Miami) away from playing for the Title Game. KD went downhill.
KD’s sitcom of playing ND in the RB was a disaster. He was a poor recruiter most of all. Death knell for a Coll FB HC.
One only has to look...
at the OL, really the whole offensive side of the ball, to see just how bad our talent level was. But according to Ramona Shelbourne we should all look back on the KD years fondly and thank him for his service.
Unreal.
"Even if God is dead, you still gotta kiss his ass" - Tony Soprano
Similarity and differences..
They were different coaches with different reasons for failure. Dorrell and Neuheisel are both Bruins and — as such — are our friends, so to speak. They both were nice guys who, whuile not finishing last, certainly did not finish where we all wanted them to finish: building a decent, consistent, high-profile program.
I agree with Nestor that a lot of this is revisionist history. Both coaches’ records stink to high heaven and neither put us on the road to where where we wanted UCLA football to go.
This is all behind us now; Guerror should learn from his mistakes (but he won’t) and move on to hiring a new coach.
by War Planner on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite take so far...
was from Matt Hayes of the Sporting News, who said that UCLA has “no chance at Petersen” but instead should hire another ex Boise Coach, Dan Hawkins. Yes, let’s hire a guy who cratered the CU program.
The Pac-12 ain’t intramurals, brother!
"Even if God is dead, you still gotta kiss his ass" - Tony Soprano
God Forbid!
ANYONE but freaking Dan Hawkins!
The people at CU will eternally HATE that guy.
Ugh.
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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Cable is 100x worse
I’ll have to think long and hard about continuing to support Bruin football if we hire him.
When
When donut dan fired KD, we had to wait well into Jan if not Feb (can’t remember but it took a long time) for him to hire RN. I think we will be waiting awhile this time also.
Seriously, can we tone down the donut stuff??
Pierson at BRO posted this earlier this week:
Donut References: I don’t like them. I consider them very disrespectful and childish.
His sentiment is dead on.
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
I always thought the Donut
reference was because he seemed like the type of guy who was more interested in having his morning cup of coffee and donut than getting to work on fixing the issues preventing UCLA from being relevant.
Doughnut Dan is the homer simpson of athletic directors...
I’m sure that he has spent more time in his office daydreaming of doughnuts than doing the job that he is paid to do.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Nov 30, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I think the donut moniker fits perfectly. YUM YUM.
In an Athletic Leader job like that, he really needs to do some “push offs” from the training table, if you get what I mean.
So what? I don't understand what his body type has to do with his fitness as an AD.
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I'm okay with not using it
Just thought it wasn’t related to his weight. Chianti Dan works better anyway.
Jeez!!!
People now a days are such babies and whiners! So what if we call him Donut Dan if he had respect toward the students and alumni we would be calling him Mr. Guerrero. Until he starts listening to his boosters, his alumni, his students, and his season ticket holders we will continue to call him Donut Dan!
by Trojanswearskirts on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Call him that
and no one will take you seriously. It makes you sound less than intelligent, frankly. If you can provide a good reasoning for that nickname, by all means, go ahead.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
One note/request guys
Please no attacks on moderators of other UCLA online communities. We are all part of one big family here. Yes, we are well aware of cheap shots of very very few on other message boards against us and that’s fine. We can take it and none it matters because we only keep growing.
But there is no need for anyone here to denigrate the hard work other folks do to put out good information on other UCLA outlets. It’s all good and it’s all part of building our own Bruin echo-chamber. Gosh knows, we need it with what seems to be the majority of traditional media outlets gunning for us.
Thanks guys.
Chianti Dan is deserved
and there’s a story behind it. The other nickname doesn’t really get to the heart of the issue.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I believe I coined "Doughnut Dan" and it was because of his physical resemblance to Homer Simpson
as well as the fact that his job performance was equivalent to that of Homer Simpson. I still stand by that monicker. He continually makes decisions that suggest a Homer Simpson mentality.
Having said that, I agreed a few days ago that Chianti Dan was more appropriate, because that name was coined by Guerrerror himself when he announced his Chianti Cruise. It’s probably better to use a nickname deliberately chosen by Chianti Dan rather than one that depends on the fortuitous likeness of appearance.
Would you be more confortable with Guerrerror? That’s not name calling – that’s simply combining his name with his record.
Yup
Guerrerror is just fine.
Homer Simpson does not think of himself as a great leader who has had great achievements, and he is certainly not a snob. That’s why I like Chianti Dan. He thinks he is above the fans, the players, the students and the coaches. He makes decisions without consulting anyone and he only hobnobs with the big donors. He’s a name dropper who only tries to rub elbows with people whom he believes are his equals. He is just about the opposite of anything John Wooden ever stood for.
Homer Simpson is down to earth and doesn’t think he’s that smart :)
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Took until
right before the Rose Bowl game. Remember Rick going to the Rose Bowl game and getting interviewed in the stands during the game.
Closed process?
Doesn’t seem like a good way to foster trust. I always thought that you open the process up and be as transparent as possible in cases like this (massive distrust).
No, I didn’t like the sound of “closed process” at all. There needs to be more communication with BN, not less, to restore trust. The secrecy is bullshit.
by Geronimo21 on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Officials at the Morgan Center are morons.
We can all agree on that.
But how do we know for certain that there weren’t back channel communications between high-end boosters and potential candidates in the offseason? From speaking to one, I know for certain there were these communications (at least) immediately following the Arizona debacle.
Yeah, there may have been following the Arizona debacle
But UCLA boosters were sending Howland (and couple of other coaches signals) even before last season. Going into Lavin’s last season DG was essentially given a short list of coaches.
A competent AD would have fired RN right after the Zona game and launched the execution process of the plan, instead of sending out BS emails (oh “blog”) about Bruins competing for the Pac-12 South title.
+1
And by the way this has progressed, from the Q&A and annoucement session DG had, to the AD “speak” we got…it just seems like his heart isn’t into it that much.
That’s the killer. We are at a cross-roads which determines our path for the foreseeable future and the bus driver doesn’t really seem interested in staying on the road….or even what the road looks like for that matter.
by GemCityBruin on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
A COMPETENT AD..
A competent AD would have fired RN right after the Zona game and launched the execution process of the plan, instead of sending out BS emails (oh "blog") about Bruins competing for the Pac-12 South title.
..would have fired Neuheisel’s ass last year after his third straight loss to SC.
"Closed Process"
I can understand waiting until Neu is officially “done” to start talking it up about the new hire, but I still find the language troubling. I understand about behind closed door deals and the necessity of them…
Anyone else find that statement a cause for concern?
by Geronimo21 on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't even understand what that prhrase means...
With today’s social media, is anything a “closed process?” The leaks from anonomous sources always makes me chuckle. In PR issues, a leaked source is most times not leaked but planned.
by Waitingfornumber12 on Nov 30, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
What it meant last time was...
dont ask me questions…dont try and figure out what I am doing and, when I finally do it, don’t ask me to explain why it took so long ’cause the details will just bore you to tears…(sic)
by GemCityBruin on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Nestor nailed it! After Arizona DG proved he cannot lead. But the fact that he is still AD
is not his fault. Who hired him and who has the power to fire him? On this topic it is Block that is the problem. Looking at DG rendering final judgement on CRN was stomach turning. It should have been Block having that press conference. This is insane! I am struggling to align myself with the process while still supporting our team for this Friday. Fire DG now and put a steering committee together to find our next HC.
There should be no confusion about getting behind Neuheisel and team this Friday
It is an impossible situation but we are going to be all behind our guys.
You Bet
+1
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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
We have every reason to root for the team
to show how the cupboard isn’t bare and to show that UCLA still has pride. I want the players to kick the hell out of the Ducks (however unlikely that is) to show any coaches out there that turn up their noses at the UCLA HC job that they are making the worst decision of their lives.
However, if DG is fired by Friday, that would make it all the sweeter.
time to end
the Aliotti curse for good.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Neuheisel ended his playing career with a shocking W in the Rose Bowl...
…maybe he ends his coaching career with a shocking W in the title game?
That's right, 139
We were given basically the same chance in the Rose Bowl as we are given in Eugene. Maybe we can pull off a similar miracle.
Question for the old timers...
How would JD Morgan handle the current search for our new football head coach?
I remember Morgan as a highly competitive and fearless administrator.
Wouldn't of been in this situation...
…but seriously, would of been back-channeling the replacement and had him ready to go. JD hated being beaten to the punch by someone else and wouldn’t of risked losing his choice due to a delay…
by GemCityBruin on Nov 30, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
that coaches would have been lining up for the opportunity to work at such a fine institution. JD would have had his pick!
by SeattleUCLAn on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
JD-DOO was a little frustrating..
In 1963, Morgan was given the additional responsibility as UCLA’s athletic director. He stepped down as tennis coach in 1966, but continued to serve as UCLA’s athletic director until 1979. During Morgan’s 16 years as UCLA’s athletic director, he is credited with “revitaliz[ing] the sports program, catapult[ing] Bruin teams into the national spotlight, and ultimately redefin[ing] UCLA athletics as a model looked to by universities across the country.” During his tenure as athletic director, UCLA won 30 NCAA championships—ten in basketball, seven in volleyball, six in tennis, four in track and field, and three in water polo.1 Morgan hired Tommy Prothro as football coach, and the Bruins football teams went to four bowl games, including two Rose Bowls, during Morgan’s tenure as athletic director. Morgan also oversaw the completion of Pauley Pavilion and the construction of Drake Stadium, Spaulding Field and a boathouse for crew in Marina del Rey.
Morgan was known for his competitive nature and a personality that some described as “difficult, even arrogant.” In his early years as UCLA’s athletic director, he sat on the bench with John Wooden during basketball games and was known to vilify officials from the bench. Morgan’s outbursts reportedly resulted in a rule change banning athletic directors from sitting on the bench during basketball games.
..he did can Billy Barnes and brought Prothro in. (You guys woulda loved Prothro.) And he was a lot more dynamic than Donut Chianti Dan to be sure. But the there were some frustrations although it is a blessing of my advanced age that these get lost in the shadows cast by the brilliant light of John Wooden’s skein of 12 NCAA titles and Prothro’s magnificent “GLB” teams..
..not to mention T&F the the success in the other sports.
Maybe re-animate J.D.-DOO and Prothro?
Closed Process…
I think many of us are clearly frustrated with the idea that the way to go about this coaching search is behind closed doors. Truth is, most poster’s on BN are here to exchange ideas, throw out what we’d do and how we’d do it (and why) and then we kick these things around…surely anyone posting here has to be able to take constructive criticism and not be so thin skinned…
I don’t think our current AD is anything like that kind of person or mentality. He certainly doesn’t like criticism or advice. In another life, I don’t see him bringing his ideas and game-plan here to BN and putting them out for everyone to chew over. He doesn’t like that kind of dialog.
I wonder if whether, at an early age, he said something he really meant and felt and was traumatized by his peers…and that what he learned from the experience was not to have more "thoughtful" or mature ideas and feelings…but that he needed to keep them to himself and when no one was looking, go ahead and do what he wanted…hummm, that could be a whole other thread.
Anyway, plan to be frustrated. This guy is the kind of cat that likes to hide out in the dark and keep you guessing….(pssst, I think he’s really sleeping.)
Good news
At least Petersen hasn’t issued a statement saying he is staying at bsu
by uclarry on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
agree
but i would doubt he would issue any statement before his season is over. If, by Sunday night, he hasn’t said anything like that then I will consider it a positive
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Humlin And Other Thoughts...
I agree with Nestor and the vast majority that settling for Humlin – now – would be a drastic mistake and would give us a huge case to put the full-court press on Morgan Center and Gene Block & Co. Assuming that Houston does get a BCS bid – and win their game – would our assessment of Humlin change? I don’t know but, FWIW, I like the guy and he might be that “diamond in the rough”.
That said, the fact that Chianti Dan by all accounts, is prepared to scratch a big check, makes me hopeful that we can land Petersen. He’s my #1 choice. Leach, I can handle but there’s just something about the guy that raises red flags with me.
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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:57 AM PST reply actions
I'm worried about last year's result more than this year
He lost Keenum and all the sudden he was 5-7? That worries me.
He also lost his backup QB for the season in the same half as losing Keenum.
Remember what happened here when all of a sudden Kevin Craft was the starter?
All that being said, pretty impressive to go 5-7.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Still...
he had the world’s biggest cupcake schedule. I like it when coaches overcome difficulties like that, not succumb to them.
I agree with that.
I’m not praising the guy or demeaning what he’s done at Houston. Just give him a break on not going undefeated with a 3rd string QB, when your offense is tailored around an elite QB guiding your offense.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
i don't hold the 5-7 season against him
but he hasn’t proven anything. I personally believe Sumlin is a very good football coach, and one that could well be really successful at some point. But he’s unproven, and at this point in time UCLA can’t settle for unproven.
If we’re going into the mid major ranks for an up and comer, I want someone that has a longer track record of success – without a Heisman candidate. Someone like Larry Fedora from Southern Miss or Hugh Freeze at Arkansas State would be more appealing to me than Sumlin
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Good name...
I am with the names I hear being thrown out consistently being our first calls…
But look at Hugh Freeze and Mark Hudspeth body of work, both have shown success at two stops at the head positions.
There are many intriguing names that are not retreads or NFL washouts, DG needs to look for the right fit.
No more diamonds in the rough
Seriously, I don’t want to hear this business about finding the ‘diamond in the rough.’ Can we just pay for the big Hope Diamond of coaches, or something near it?
by BruinBabe4ever on Nov 30, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Uh...the name is Sumlin
You guys really have an issue with spelling last names around here!
I guess it’s ok to misspell his name since we don’t want him as coach…at least you got Petersen right!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Dang It!
I KNEW I’d mess up somewhere!
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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
So Neuheisel can't coach, but can manage
Is there any chance he would work as AD? I believe Mike Bellotti did it at Oregon, so it has precedence. And clearly Neuheisel knows whats wrong with UCLA football, even if he couldn’t coach his way out of it.
(If there is another post on potential AD replacements, let me know.)
Michael C
www.onviolence.com
No
We like Neuheisel but as explained ad nausea no interest in someone as an AD who thought Rocky Seto would be a good hire and then ended up with Tresey. Not to mention his inability to manage a program … not interested. Thanks.
I hope we're interviewing someone competent
like Seto for the head coach job!
I think Seto would have sucked less then Tresey.
Not like that’s a complement or anything
just looking at his wiki page
and remembering that hawaii offense, I’d be ok with at least looking into it a bit more. He also righted the SMU ship somewhat. I think maybe we should at least talk to him…
he probably does but I value the opinion of the top dogs on this blog -- not my #1 pick (I think I like Leach best)
June Jones is currently at SMU. He’s got West Coast roots and twelve years of NCAA head coaching experience. He took a Hawaii team that had lost 18 in a row, and in his first year (1999) turned them around into 9-4 WAC co-champs. This earned him Coach of the Year honors from the WAC, The Sporting News, and Sports Illustrated. He took over a moribund SMU program (no bowl games in 25 years) in 2008, and by 2009 led them to an 8-5 record, including a bowl win. By 2010, SMU was playing in the Conference USA championship game. This year, they’ll be going to their third consecutive bowl game.
by ocbruin1985 on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Why is he a retread?
SMU hadn’t won 7 games for something like 20 years before he got hired and he left Hawaii after a BCS bid with a WAC team.
I don’t know much about him, but that seems like a pretty good recent history….
i don't know if i'd call Jones a retread
Granted, he’s on the older side and he’s known for Hawaii, but he’s built up two mid majors from the ashes and has never had a big time HC job. He’s definitely not at (or near) the top, but I don’t think retread quite applies here
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'm with bucknellbruin here.
Definitely not one of my top 5 choices, but I don’t think he’s a retread at all. Hasn’t left a program in bad shape, though I thought he left Hawaii with a little bad blood between the 2 schools.
Probably just a difference in definitions of what a retread is though.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
He has had some success at Hawaii and SMU
Previous to that he got fired from the NFL. He would have been okay 4 years ago. Not right now.
imo Jones
would be the kind of guy I would normally hope UCLA hires. Decent resume, has built programs up but not exactly to an elite level (the Hawaii Sugar Bowl team didn’t deserve to be within 100 miles of the BCS, absolutely awful schedule). But we need to be beyond that at this point. If we had hired June over RN (he was actually one of my favorites back then) I think most of us would’ve been pleased. But at this point in time we need someone more than a guy known for building bowl teams at mid majors
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
That was then this is now. It’s a different time and it’s more urgent. Moreover, we have $4 million/yr to spend unlike then. So if we end up with some guy like Junes it will be an epic fail.
oh i agree we don't want Jones
but I just don’t know if i’d put him in the “retread” category. More like the “decent but not nearly good enough for what we need” category
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
First Neuheisel, then Guerrero, then Block, then Jerry Brown?
Aren’t we getting ahead of ourselves? I certainly agree that Guerrero is probably just scrambling rather than leading and that the end of his tenure is not far off, but, currently, he is nominally in charge of the search for an appropriate coach. I do believe that he is receiving some rather strong guidance behind the scenes, and I don’t see that we have much else to rely on. Of course, BN should keep up the pressure. There is plenty of reason to believe that BN is now being read by some people with real influence and its points being taken seriously. I am confident that Dorrell will not be back, at least. Even Guerrero, with all his faults, is not that dumb. I wish that such a plan as N describes had been in place, but I really can’t believe that it was, so we are in recovery mode and what should have been done before now has to be improvised. Running off to Boise with a suitcase full of cash is not much of a plan; there has to be much more in the minds of those who are trying, even though late in the day, to resurrect Bruin football. Or so I hope.
Guerrero is not dumb but he is clueless
And you don’t run a department based on hope. He is a terrible leader, clueless about his fan base, no vision for the program. He thought he could just take over the UCLA Athletics machine, let it run its course because of its natural advantages, look great, and move on up to the NCAA. The three big projects that were on his desk were to fix Pauley, fix football and fix the baseball stadium. He has done not a single one of those, and in fact has failed abysmally. He needs to move on to a job where he is not entrusted with such decisions but can just send memos and sit in meetings.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
What keeps on confusing me:
Neuheisel WAS a strong get at the time. It’s revisionist history to say that he wasn’t the right man for the job when hired. He was a passionate Bruin alum, an outgoing guy, a great recruiter, and a proven head coach with a past history of great success. Of course he turned out to be a flop, but AT THE TIME, he was a big get. I’ll always remember that feeling of excitement of hope I had when we first announced his hiring; I really thought we had multiple BCS bowls in our future.
RN was the best choice ...
… out of the options of Walker and Chow. The question was why we were relegated to the choices of RN, Chow and Walker?
I'd say he was a strong candidate among others, too
Going back and looking through the archives, it appears that while Neuheisel wasn’t EXACTLY our dream choice, he was considered a good candidate and a strong hire. Nothing at all like the Lavin/Toledo/Dorrell hires, which were all weak (and in at least two of those cases, that’s an understatement).
I think
that when it came down to Chow, Walker or Neuheisel most fans immediately went with Neuheisel. He had done a decent job at CU, won a Rose Bowl with UW and he’d had time to get over the NCAA issues.
I think Rick was always in the back of most Bruin minds. A lot of people wondered what he could have accomplished if he’d gotten the job instead of Toledo, specially when he won the Rose Bowl with UW. So, yeah we were pretty happy about his hire but then we began to question the reasons behind keeping Walker and hiring Chow…both guys who were up for the HC job.
Can't remember for sure
but did Golden turn us down, or did we hire RN over him?
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Who knows
We do know that Chow, Walker and Neuheisel were the three to get interviews for the job.
i know
but it matters. If we gave Walker and Chow interviews over Golden, that screams incompetence to me. If Golden turned us down, well fine…but why would he turn us down to stay at Temple (at the time we thought he was waiting on PSU, but he took Miami’s job before this whole Paterno thing happened)
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
It's unclear
But one can speculate that Golden begged off because as a defensive coach he didn’t want to be in a situation where Dewayne Walker was going to be forced on him.
Neuheisel hire was greeted with trepidatious (is that a word) optimism, esp with his get of Chow
I think if you research this blog, there were some concerns Neuheisel’s initial success at Colorado and Washington could be credited to his predecessors, and that his performance tailed off.
Revisionist
Those concerns WERE there, but they were definitely at the backburner; I would say that, overall, the feeling was overwhelmingly positive when Rick was first hired. Sure, a lot of that was probably rooted in the idea that “OMG YES OUR FOOTBALL COACH IS FINALLY SOMEONE OTHER THAN KARL DORRELL,” but still.
Mora
Is Jim More a possibility? I don’t think Dan is playing as big a part in the choice as we think. He’ll probably just shake hands and do the formalities. He’s a face guy. Better be with the money that’s being talked about.
no no no no
Mora is the definition of a retread. Plus he’s never actually accomplished anything as a HC
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Two words:
Vespa clowns. As I was reading the posting, those two words kept going through my head,applied to the Morgan Center, rather than just the football team.
by ucla717274 on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So much for Leach
he’s going to change WSU in such a positive way and he’ll probably do it quickly.
still
Petersen has not removed his name as a candidate .. he knows everyone is talking about him but can we take silence as an opportunity ?? lets hope so ..
I think Leach to WSU
proves that we were never seriously considering him (if at all). If we were, I really really doubt he would’ve jumped so quickly at Wazzu’s offer
Proves...
That the WSU AD had a plan, is decisive and has balls.
Yup, he has sat around for a while
why would he wait any more for us? Him going to Washington St makes me like him even more; the guy believes he can win anywhere. And it makes me very worried, he could make the Cougs very good, they have a decent roster and could make waves very soon. DG better have a plan, because the PAC-12 just got tougher.
I can't remember where I saw this
But there was a story or something I heard where the AD for Wazzou Bill Moos was asked if there was going to be a searching committee for the next head coach.
His answer: there will be a committee, and that committee will consist of Bill Moos.
Dude’s got balls, and the program’s on the up and up.
One day from firing to hiring
I am impressed.
Leach...
good fit with WSU and good for the Pac 12
I will be glad to see that
Just wish he could be doing it as a bruin
I will leave the deep thinking to BN
and get on the beat oregon smucks train for this Friday. Does BN think Boise will let their coach go without a fight? I say concentrate on Leach. He is available and I like his rough edges.
The bowl waiver has been approved
and UCLA will play in a bowl after the pac12 championship game
question concerning tie ins
Do we know how they do it? Can the bowls select who they want?
Tie ins are
Rose for Pac 12 #1 (Oregon)
Stanford is going to a non tie BCS game (Fiesta or Sugar)
Alamo #2 (ucla or washington?)
Holiday #3 (ucla or washington?)
Sun
Las Vegas
Kraft
New Mexico
the bowls pick whoever they want
out of the bowl eligible teams, in that order you posted
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Per my Bruin co-worker "This is how Stewart Mandel (SI) sees it"
Jan. 2 Rose: Wisconsin (Big Ten champ) vs. Oregon (Pac-12 champ)
Dec. 29 Alamo: Washington (Pac-12 No. 2) vs. Oklahoma (Big 12 No. 3)
Dec. 28 Holiday: Cal (Pac-12 No. 3) vs. Texas (Big 12 No. 5)
Dec. 31 Sun: Georgia Tech (ACC No. 4) vs. Utah (Pac-12 No. 4)
Dec. 22 Maaco: Boise State (MWC No. 1) vs. Arizona State (Pac-12 No. 5)
Dec. 31 Kraft Fight Hunger: UCLA (Pac-12 No. 6) vs. Western Michigan/Army
Dec. 17 New Mexico: San Diego St. (MWC No. 4) vs. Temple (Pac-12 No. 7 [we won’t have a 7th eligible team])
CBS's Jerry Palm has us in the KFH vs. Illinois
Battle of the Interim Coaches
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
personal guess
Oregon and Stanford in Rose and Fiesta, then
Alamo: Washington
Holiday: Cal
Sun: ASU
Las Vegas: UCLA
Kraft: Utah
New Mexico: None eligible
by bucknellbruin on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
seems unfair since we BEAT Cal and made it to championship game - would much rather play in Holiday!
Made it to the championship game on a technicality.
We may have beaten Cal, but they’re 7-5.
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
at 6-7, I would bet we are the last team picked.
I would bet on the KFH Bowl.
by Kenneth Powers on Nov 30, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
DG
going to look REALLY bad now if we fail to hire a top tiered coach while they keep falling like dominoes.
$2.25M/yr for Leach
when Wulff was making $600K, nearly quadrupling the previous coaches salary. Nice job WSU.

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