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Drew Gordon and Howland's "doghouse"

So I know that the L.A Times does their best to paint us in a negative light, but after reading this article on Drew Gordon post UCLA, it brought up an interesting point regarding the way Howland handles his players.

Now obviously there was a reason why Drew left UCLA and it's expected that he's not going to be singing the virtues of Howland, but there were also some remarks made by Drew which I feel shed light on why we've had so many players transfer out. It has been discussed extensively here how Howland plays favorites, and it appears as though the flip side might be true as well, where players who aren't on Howlands good side get pushed away even further.

In regards to Reeves Nelson, Drew notes how Reeves is now "butting heads with Howland, like I did."

"I've grown up with Reeves," Gordon said. "I feel for what he's going through. Unfortunately, I think it's going to be a long year for Reeves. He got off to a bad start and once you're in the doghouse, you can't get out."

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I personally am a huge Howland supporter, and I am lucky enough to have been a student during those Final Four runs, so some of my fondest memories of UCLA can be attributed to Howland.

However in the past few years our team has struggled. While I think our teams haven't had the level of talent we had in 2008, there is no reason why our team this year should have more than one loss. I'm glad that Howland holds a high level of expectations for his players, but I wonder if besides playing favorites, he also has a "doghouse" for players who get on his bad side. While I can't point out any specific players besides Reeves as of late (who probably needed the lesson) who jump out to me as being benched for non basketball performance reasons, I wonder if sometimes Howland's personnel decisions are clouded by those who are in his doghouse. And if as a result, our basketball performance suffers.

Players on a team, like any group of people under a leader, know when there is unfair treatment, and even those who are not personally on the "bad" side get affected by it. At the very worst, the players quit on the coach, which appears to have happened in football. While I do not think for a second the players have quit on Howland, I wonder if sometimes our lack of effort comes from an inner tension due to perceived slights, i.e not running back on defense even though your coach is yelling at you to do so.

I still think Howland is one of college's top coaches and don't think the verdict is out yet for this year, but at the way we started the season (and seeing Stanbeck and Moser's names pop up all over the place) and after reading this article, it just made we ponder what we're doing wrong (besides not being able to shoot the 3) and what is it that makes players want to leave Howland's program. Granted, some of these guys might have had some issues and probably shouldn't have been here in the first place, but I think it'll be interesting to see how Howland handles our current rotation of players.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Drew Who?

I miss Moser and Stanback.

Drew Gordon, eh. Don’t care for him being gone one bit. I don’t care if he’s averaging a double double.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Nov 30, 2011 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Is Gordon part of Nelson's problem?

Of course, Nelson has his own issues dating back to high school, but maybe part of the problem is that he’s listening to Gordon rather than someone wise who would tell him to work on his anger issues and listen to Howland.

by Class of 09 on Nov 30, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

Hmm interesting point

Though I would say that for now anyway it seems as though Reeves is legitimately trying to work things out with Howland whereas Gordon took the opposite route

by kevdude on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

To what extent have our basketball and football fates been decided by players who have intentionally torpedoed the programs?

It’s a question I hesitate to ask, but I think there are resentful players in both programs who have done it.

And while I was glad xCRN was carried off the practice field tonight I also asked myself — how many footballers were carrying him off in the joy of knowing he wouldn’t be coming back?

by BrendonBruin on Nov 30, 2011 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know about basketball

but it seems as though you’re hitting the mark for football.

by kevdude on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That's very cynical

Many of the players like RN personally, even if they don’t think he’s a good coach. I have never heard any of the basketball players say that they were close to Howland. Not one.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 1, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Take this for what it's worth. It's from someone who claims to be inside the program. Posted at BruinGold.
Gordon’s behavior became a problem for the team, both on and off the court, repeatedly. He openly challenged Howland about his personal concerns for playing time in front of other players during practice. He complained about his role on the team and resisted the team captain’s direction to take the issue up with Howland one-to-one. Gordon complained about the team’s style of play and how specific activities were to be performed, in practice. He resisted direction and was repeatedly reprimanded for forcing Howland to stop the entire practice to address Gordon’s behavior issues. Gordon was warned to stop interfering with the teaching activities and to stop wasting practice time. He seemed unable or unwilling to do so.

Gordon eventually sought other players on the team to join him in ignoring Howland’s direction and to play instead an open court, fast break game. Mike Roll called him on it after hearing of Gordon’s activities from Malcolm Lee. He went to Howland with the news. Howland investigated the charge among the team and suspended Gordon, then dismissed him.

If it’s true, Gordon was beyond being a cancer. He was openly defying his coach and trying to get the team to join him in mutiny. Whether or not his points were valid, I feel is beside the point. He knew what type of offense Howland ran before he committed to UCLA. If his role, and the offensive scheme were so objectionable to him, he should’ve considered that beforehand. Howland’s playbook may not have been attractive to Gordon, but it’s still Howland’s playbook, and Howland is still the coach. If the above is true, then I support Howland’s decision 100%.

As for the Dragovic fiasco, that happened after Gordon’s dismissal. I don’t know what happened on the inside, but from the outside, it certainly looked like Howland didn’t come down on him nearly as hard as he did on Gordon. And I have no doubt how that looked isn’t lost on Nelson.

by indigo27 on Dec 1, 2011 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Who is drew Gordon?

Not a bruin. Not at UCLA. Not an afterthought.

by tazmiami on Dec 1, 2011 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Not even a has-been

he’s a never-was.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 1, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

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