Going Over the Wall: A New Opportunity for UCLA Coach Jim Mora
Guess they did it again. UCLA players revived a lame tradition dating back to Terry Donahue era of ditching a day in practice. From Peter Yoon at ESPNLA (HT jbruinn):
The UCLA Bruins football players renewed a long-standing tradition Tuesday when they sprinted off the practice field and jumped over a wall surrounding the facility just before practice began, ending the session just after pre-practice stretching. [...]
About 90 percent of the players participated, while a handful of players walked dejectedly off the field and the coaching staff stood at midfield and watched in bewilderment.
Mike Johnson, the interim coach in the wake of Rick Neuheisel's firing and in advance of newly-hired Jim Mora taking over, said he knew about the tradition but wasn't aware the players were going to bolt Tuesday.
"I had practice scheduled, but if there is a tradition of jumping over the wall, then I'd rather have it happen today," Johnson said. "You don't want to lose the day of work, but at the same time that's what the last two weeks were for. We covered a lot in those last two weeks."
The tradition was supposed to have ended last year when last year's seniors got the team not to engage in the silly practice during pre-season. Since the Bruins didn't make it to a bowl game last year, the team never got to do it rest of the year. This year the team stayed away from it during pre-season but it appears that old habits crept into the team during this bowl week.
In some ways interim head coach Mike Johnson missed a big opportunity to send a pre-emptive message to the team. If he had warned the entire team that there would have been consequences for the guys participating in this stunt, the follow up would have been interesting. It may have helped him in his ongoing job search process for new opportunities. However, there are few other angles to this story.
The whole stunt is silly but at the same time we have a group of players who have never had any leadership or sense of accountability in this program for years, stemming from the very top. Perhaps they are just college kids who are looking to blow off some steam after what has been a tumultuous year in the program:Cornerback Andrew Abbott, one of the team leaders, received an earful from defensive coordinator Joe Tresey as both returned to the locker room after the stunt, but said there was no harm in renewing the tradition of going over the wall.
"It's just a tradition for the Bruins," Abbott said. "If people can't understand that, then hey. It's just a little fun."
I have a lot of respect for Abbott as I think he is one of the hardest working kid in the entire program who played his rear end off in every game. He is certainly not someone who can be dismissed as a "bad apple" in this program. Also, don't forget Bruins also did the same thing prior to the Eaglebank Bowl game and they ended up winning that game. I am not justifying any of the action from today but trying to understand where huge number of these players were coming from.
Still it all goes back to a sense of discipline in the program. We all appreciated Rick Neuheisel's love for UCLA but as has been documented over the years he never was able to instill a sense of disciplined that was badly needed in Westwood. Despite all his preaching of "culture change" it never really took place following the Karl Dorrell era in Westwood. It appears now that Jim Mora will have an opportunity right away starting next season to establish a culture of accountability.
What is potentially encouraging is that there are juniors on the team who are not happy about the situation:
"The seniors wanted to do it and get together later for a team activity," said running back Johnathan Franklin, a team captain. "Whatever the team wants to do, you have to do it."
Even if that means you miss out on a day to get better and take one step closer toward pulling the program out of mediocrity?
"It was the seniors call," said Franklin, a junior. "In my opinion, if I'm here next year, it won't be happening."
A handful of players were visibly upset. Safety Dalton Hilliard did not go over the wall and walked off the field shaking his head as his teammates ditched. Prince said he tried to implore the team not to do it, but was overruled.
"I tried to voice my opinion about it but the seniors wanted to do it and ultimately it's their call," Prince said.
Well Prince may or may not be the starting QB next year. However, he can start playing a big part in leadership by making sure all the returning players adopt the mindset of he and his other team-mates who were upset about the stunt. As for JetSki I think development like today is just one more reason for him to come back. If he comes back and helps usher in a new era where there is a real sense of discipline and accountability prevailing through the entire program translating into solid season on the field, he will leave with a legacy that will better prepare him for the next level.
Hopefully JetSki, his team-mates who were upset today, and most importantly new coach Jim Mora will take advantage of this opportunity to usher in a much needed culture change at UCLA. Clearly we are not going to get this kind of strong leadership from Dan Guerrero. So at least for the time being we hope it will be Mora who will step up in a big way next season.
GO BRUINS.
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I have a feeling
that Mora isn’t going to give 2 sh*ts about this “tradition” and will put an end to this. After everything he’s said about instilling discipline and accountability, it would look pretty lame if he allowed this to continue without repercussions.
hope
you are right. This needs to end. It just makes the team look bad. The perception is that they dont want to practice or think they don’t need to practice.. Either way it doesn’t look good.
What exactly constitutes a practice?
I would not mind so much if it were a symbolic gesture. Something that was followed by a hard hitting practice and at the end of the day, we still had all of our available practices. It does not seem this is the case. Are we truly down one less practice session?
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi
Yes
We missed one whole day of practice. Great coaches value each day of these extra practices during bowl prep week bc they are seen as invaluable opportunities to get younger guys up to speed on fundamentals and overall scheme of the program.
by Nestor on Dec 20, 2011 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hard to believe
that a group of guys who were embarrased in half the games they played feel they’re entitled to participate in what is a crappy old tradition. They we’re abused and embarrased in how many national games? Lost 50-0 to $C! Yet they feel they’re good enough to skip a practice? This is the horrible loser mentality that is all over the UCLA football program. It just screams “we don’t give a F**K”.
Go Bruins!
by King J77 on Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And the "overall scheme of the program" for next year
There is never a time not to learn something new. At least one of our players who will play next year would have learned something that could be useful in 2012. And that opportunity has been lost forever.
Winning next year starts right now. Our football program is an unmitigated disaster. And it will not get better if the players decide to take an afternoon off in the name of tradition. The only tradition, apart from jumping over a wall, this team has consistently shown is the ability to lose, particularly to southern cal.
Thank you for allowing me to vent. I apologize to any players I may have offended.
I don't think
any of the players who jumped are all that worthy of an apology from you. Perhaps the other way…
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Oh KS
I was kidding.
These guys owe me and you an written fully notarized sworn apology replete with seals and ribbons and all that other legal junk.
My bad.
I was just home after a loooong day that included driving 150+ miles in crappy weather. Rather than a breathalyzer, I need some sort of sensor that doesn’t let me post unless I have at least ten brain cells active.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Really, seniors?
Are you kidding? I’m sorry, but if you lose a game 50-0, it means you have a lot of room to improve. You have a lot of room to get better. That’s what practice time is for.
I could see maybe doing this if we were coming off a season without lopsided losses, stupid penalties, personal fouls, a halftime brawl, blown time outs, 12 men on the field, dropped passes, missed tackles, ten yard cushions, giving up sacks, etc. But not this season. Not now. Point is, if the NCAA is allowing you practice time to improve your play, maybe you should, oh I don’t know... use it.
I guess the seniors just figured, eff it, Mora couldn’t do anything to them, they’re gone. I can see why the juniors were mad. Good for them.
The Seniors thought they did improve. UCLA lost to Oregon in the next game 49-31.
The Bruin defense held Oregon to one less point. Senior battle cry, Yea Defense – Now, let’s go over the wall.
If I were a HC or Interim HC
I’d ask that the seniors be dismissed from the team immediately. There is no need for them to screw up the progress of the younger guys by pulling this kind of BS. They should be suspended from the bowl game and sent home. Let them go “over the wall” on their NFL Senior Day preparations if they want.
This would send a clear message of change in culture. It would be letting everybody know that it’s not acceptable to do this and would put next years seniors on notice that if they pull this they’ll be missing out on the bowl game.
Go Bruins!
by King J77 on Dec 20, 2011 3:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The players on this team
simply do not look serious about wanting to get better. They’re just there for the ride. It’s a whole generation (i.e. 4 years’ worth) of players used to mediocrity and lack of accountability.
You should all tweet Coach Mora with a link to the article and ask him to put a stop to it. Only time it should be allowed is after winning the Pac-12 championship, or perhaps beating U$C. Best is if it’s not allowed at all. Tradition my ass.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
We were all young once
I’m sure many of us participated in a senior cut day or something similar in high school. If the players really wanna go take a day off in the name of “tradition”, so be it.
As long as they’re willing to pay the consequences. The coaching staff should make them run laps around drake until they puke.
by Objection Penguin on Dec 20, 2011 3:39 PM PST reply actions
UCLA Football
isn’t allowed to practice on Drake. It’s reserved for the money sports (track & field , soccer). lol
Go Bruins!
I would prefer they do stairs & quarters at Drake. Now, thats fun :-)
by impaulv on Dec 20, 2011 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I actually never did participate in "Senior Cut Day" in HS
thought it was really immature, plus IIRC, at least one of my teachers scheduled a test for that day anyway.
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
For Basketball Reasons
We have a tradition of getting trounced by any team with a winning record..
And one of getting smacked by the cheats in Watts. I think all the “old” traditions including any reference to TD or the GLB be banned from Westwood along with DG and the pistol offense.
How about a new tradition?
We’ll call it “winning.”
by hicalliber on Dec 20, 2011 3:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I LOVE That Idea!
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Dec 21, 2011 4:29 AM PST up reply actions
So Pathetic
“Traditions” like this make me wonder why I care so much as a fan when the players obviously don’t.
It's something the players have to earn..
I don’t see anything wrong with the tradition itself; however, I believe that they have to earn the right to do so. Like earning a bowl game and beating $¢ in that year.
by Trueblue'09 on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
+1
As a teacher/coach, I tell my students (don’t tell my administration) that I have no problem with a “Senior Ditch Day” for students who have earned it by attending class the rest of the year and keeping good grades. However, at my school, students have declared multiple ditch days, seniors aren’t the only ones participating, and most certainly haven’t “earned” the privilege. How many of us would complain about the team doing this tradition after being 10-2 and beating the trogans? Until then, the team needs all the practice and (self) discipline it can get!
You must run in such a way that you may be victorious. I Corinthians 9:24
We have lots of traditions, but few are good
The handicapped parking scandal was another bad one. Here’s to hoping Mora’s teams start a new tradition. The tradition of winning.
Charnaw, do you know where that picture came from? And when?
I think that may be me at the lower left – bearded and wearing overalls. Circa 1970-75. I may have a very similar photo from that day in the fountain! LOL
"Ships" was still in westwood 1968...
“LUMS” was too! My how I miss the “OLD” Westwood.
by GogetemBruins on Dec 20, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ahh, that predates my time in Westwood.
And there certainly a lot of other guys with that look during that time period.
Yeah, that’s right… I think it was Bill Walton and me urging the football players to “escape” over the wall! LOL
For those of you who were in school after 1999, this is our "Victory Bell" that the winner of the SUC game gets to keep for a year
"Our" bell
It kills me that we ever let $uc get away with stealing our bell. I say after we win it back next year, we use something else that wasn’t stolen from us to begin with. Maybe timmy’s [sic] sword . . .
You must run in such a way that you may be victorious. I Corinthians 9:24
For anyone that played football at any level
Did you ever have a ditch practice day? I bet most, if not all, didn’t. The fact that it happens at UCLA is embarrassing.
Things not allowed on any football team I played on
Taking Helmets off while on field
Talking during film sessions
Walking anywhere on the field at any time (run to where ever you’re going)
Asking for a water break
No ditch day for practice
No coming late to practice
no leaving early from practice
No talking back to coaches
always refer to a coach as " Coach {Name}" and not by first name
No disrespect of teammates
No horsing around in the weight room
Couldn’t imagine ever pulling a stunt like this. Would have been suspended from the next game, no questions.
Go Bruins!
Coach Mora
After the bowl game, please meet with all of the players except for the seniors and tell them the Bruins are ending the over-the-wall tradition which seems to mirror the tradition of mediocrity that envelops the program. Put it on this year’s juniors that it’s up to them when they are seniors next year. Outline the penalties now for any over-the-wall action. The new tradition ought to be something like extra voluntary practices organized by the players that demonstrate the commitment to an elite program.
Helmets????
You had helmets when u played? :-)
Lack of respect
Those who pulled this stunt strike me as having a complete lack of respect for coaches. I’m no expert, but I would imagine that the coaches put in a lot of time to plan the practices, commute to practice, etc.
Wasting their time is inexcusable.
Paintball
Didn’t these numb nuts just go play paintball as a team outing a few days ago?
It's a great tradition
when our team that has spent more than a decade wallowing in mediocrity chooses not to take each opportunity to improve.
Hats off
To the guys that came back to get work done. Mora needs to put this tradition to bed.
by 0725brui on Dec 20, 2011 5:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes, I heard it too on the radio AM 570. Chow got the Hawaii job.
AM 570 discussed Chow getting the head coaching job at Hawaii for about 4 minutes at about 5:50 pm. I hope it turns out better than the gig Walker got at New Mexico State.
Embarrassing
Its tradition so I guess we mere mortals weren’t meant to understand it. What we do understand is that we lost a game to our hated arch rivals 50-to-nothing. That happened.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
50-0 and now this?
Thank you seniors for embarrassing the program again.
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.
What is this?
Can you even imagine what Nick Saban would do if his players pulled this stunt? Look, I get traditions and they have their place. And when you win 10 games in a season then sure cut practice. But I mean, I would feel totally embarrassed to be these players. You are 6-7 and a national laughingstock for even playing in the Pac12 Championship game. Hell, I sound like an old man lecturing kids and I graduated in 09!
The point if a tradition
is that it reinforces something positive, not something negative. Traditions should be inspirational, not counterproductive. If Jet-ski and the other seniors want to be real leaders that will be remembered they should ditch this crappy tradition, and replace it with something badass…like a UCLA football boxing day, where the seniors get to call out anybody they want with gloves. Or a UCLA strongest man competition by position, with championship belts and all. (and p.s. Didn’t CMJ just give them a day off to paintball…he must feel like an ass)
by Bruin_jim on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Those seniors have had a really great run
at UCLA, haven’t they? Thanks guys, and good luck in the draft.
Bet they won't
do any “over the wall” antics during Senior Day preparations or while the scouts are on Spaulding.
Go Bruins!
50-0
I guess after holding SUC to 50 the players clearly needed to reward themselves with no practice which I’m sure felt no different then when they actually are on Spaulding. They really should have gone over the “wall” in the 1st quarter during the SUC game and not come back.

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