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Does UCLA Care About Its Relationship With Alumni?

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I hope you are all enjoying the holiday season.

Given the various discussions that people have had, and particularly in light of tazmiami's post regarding his conversation with the Vice Chancellor, I thought it would be a good time to share some general thoughts about UCLA and its alumni.

I think each one of us has a personal story about how the bond was created with UCLA. It is not necessarily a single moment in time, though that has happened as well. For me it was a culmination of many things, from my first UCLA football game, victories against Southern Cal, the 95 championship, making lifelong friends, and representing UCLA in athletics (even if my team was dropped from varsity!). Another kind of pride grew from having made it to UCLA, and the general respect that people have for the school and the education it provides.

I am trying to understand better, now, what my connection to UCLA is. Again, this is likely to be different for each of us. But it leads me to another question that I believe is very important: what is UCLA's connection to us, the alumni?

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Let me be clear about one thing: I am eternally grateful for my UCLA education. But in all honesty, my graduate degree from another university was far more instrumental in the career that I have today. On the one hand, I don't really use my UCLA major at all in what I do today, but on the other hand, I probably would not have been admitted to my grad school without that UCLA degree. As far as I'm concerned, at UCLA I learned how to learn and think, while at my grad school I gained the skills for my career.

So I will be honest: so far, I have made more donations to my grad school than to UCLA. And it has nothing to do with sports, my grad school is in Division III. There is however a big difference in how my grad school reaches out to its alumni and how UCLA reaches out to its alumni. I regularly get invited to sit on panels, attend reunions, lectures, meetings and get to interact with other alums and students. UCLA does this to a certain degree. I get invited to Biology lectures, but obviously have little interest since it is not my field of work. How many of us work in a field related to our undergrad major anyway? But other events, such as the one Chancellor Block recently attended in San Diego, seem merely like veiled attempts at getting donations.

And that is the main difference I see: my grad school sees its alumni as assets for knowledge and networking, while UCLA constantly seems to be chasing donations. For every one email I get to be a mentor, I get 5 more and numerous phone calls for donations. It's partly understandable, as my grad school was private while UCLA is seeing vanishing financial support from the state.

But this is where UCLA fails in understanding alumni dynamics. Many of us have moved past the educational and academic connection to UCLA. What mostly remains is an emotional connection, the nostalgia of our great college life...which gets revived now during athletic events, or our kids looking at college, and not lectures about climate change. Basically what I am saying is, that's the deal: we represent UCLA in our everyday lives by being successful in our career, which helps UCLA's reputation, and by helping others get the same opportunity at UCLA. Is it too much to ask in exchange for a great athletic program? If we are telling UCLA that this is where we feel the biggest connection to the school, would it not behoove them to hear us?

Now maybe this only applies to Chianti Dan, but his last two hires have been alumni, and not just alumni of the school but alumni of the football program. I can't really say that Karl Dorrell was underpaid, since he had no previous head coaching experience. But what about Rick Neuheisel? Here's a guy who graduated from UCLA, has a law degree, has experience in coaching college football...and Chianti Dan thought that his salary should be less than his comparable peers? Why is that? Perhaps it was because Neuheisel's past transgressions had made him less marketable, which is somewhat understandable (but a bit manipulative). More importantly, I think DG took advantage of Neuheisel's passion for the school to underpay him. I would just like to know if the Dean of the School of Medicine hires UCLA alumni because he can pay them less. Somehow I doubt it.

In a way, I feel like that is what the Morgan Center has been doing to alumni. They take advantage of our love for the school to skimp on providing a good product and good facilities. They operate like the postal system in the old Eastern bloc. Hey, as long as you get the mail, pay your taxes and don't complain. Who cares if it's 3 weeks late and half ripped? We saved by having it carried by goats.

The UCLA Fund is not much better. The constant complaint is that only a small percentage of alumni donate to the school. Well why do you think that is? If you look at institutions that get a lot of alumni donations, it seems as though the outreach to alumni and continued involvement with the school is far more extensive. It is not just athletics. Alumni outreach cannot simply consist of solicitations for donations. People need to feel a continued connection to the university beyond just the reputation. That comes via guest lectures, panels, athletics, and most importantly, career networking. I may be wrong but it seems that UCLA hardly encourages alumni to recruit at the school. My grad school constantly reminds me to recruit there if possible. The Career Center was an utter joke when I was in school, I don't know how it is today.

Finally, let's just take a look at the actual donation process, if you want to do so online. The UCLA site is pretty cumbersome, if you ask me. It is also not very appealing, it looks cheap and more like a donation page from the local high school, from 10 years ago. Compare that to the donation page from the Marcedes Lewis foundation, just to pick one. It is clean and easy to navigate.

Let's do an even better comparison: here is the home page for the University of Wisconsin Foundation. I mean, look at that. Tons of information, an invitation to be part of something, and even a "Share Your Story" link. Compare that to the home page for the UCLA Fund. What do you see everywhere? Give. Why give, where to give, how to give, give give give.

Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but I think most of us are growing frustrated at the constant requests for donations from a seemingly disinterested party that does not give its alumni a proper voice. Certainly, the point of a donation is generosity and there should not be an expectation of quid pro quo. But the truth is, everyone has options, and too often UCLA comes last.

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Extremely Well Put...

this pretty much conveys everything I have tried to say in my various letters to the Chancellor’s Office and replies to all email donation requests. Good catch on the donation websites too!!! One would think a prestigious research institution like UCLA might be able to hire someone with a knack for website design…

by ucla.mordsith on Dec 26, 2011 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

Very Good Analysis

Spot on article, it is so irritating to be constantly bombarded with solicitations for donations. UCLA really needs to find a better way of getting alums involved and feeling like a part of the university again if they want us to open our wallets.

You touched briefly on the subject of networking. I’ve become increasingly aware that the adage, “It’s not what you know, but who you know,” can be very important in career development (take the rise of sites like LinkedIn, for example), and in recent years, that’s something I’ve grown to admire about other schools, most notably our crosstown rival. Alums at other schools seem to be much more supportive of each other, especially with regards to job leads and getting other alums at least a foot in the door of their company. I don’t know if that kind of mentality is encouraged at the institutional level, but UCLA needs to do a better job of fostering that.

by CrouchingBruin on Dec 26, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Great points!

I couldn’t have presented them better. Regarding the Career Center, I have recent experience. I just finished my doctorate in engineering this past June, and the career counselors were clueless about how to deal with me. It’s understandable that a counselor doesn’t serve a PhD student often, but you would think that they would get some sort of training in the area. I attended a few seminars for doctoral students, so they ARE trying. Being a Bruin undergrad as well, I compared today’s website to what it was when I was looking for a job 14 years ago and I have to say that there is little improvement aside from increased access and convenience brought about by the Internet. There are networking sites linked there such as BruinWorks, but it’s still too new with little active effort behind the wheel. It also doesn’t help that the Engineering school, as well as CNSI, have their own placement office with minimal communication. It just creates the appearance of fragmentation and lack of overseeing leadership.

by solidgoldsound on Dec 26, 2011 9:09 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

I have two UCLA degrees and my wife and three kids are UCLA Alums, so I complement you on picturing our situation, at least as I see it. I serve on a board at a private university where alumni relations are in line with the positive examples you give, though the school while large is much smaller than UCLA. (In fairness my UCLA grad school does a much better job than the school overall, and that may in part be due to scale.) I hope someone in authority at UCLA takes your “take” as well intended constructive criticism, and likely pretty representative. Good post!

by 1955 on Dec 26, 2011 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

It is indeed meant to be constructive

So far my “academic” donations have been mostly to my grad school, while my “athletic” donations have been to UCLA. Honestly, I hate to bring up the U$C example, but they gamer the US News ranking by focusing on alumni donations. UCLA should do the same, because it is already established in the criteria that really matter, so a little effort on the alumni side would really bring them up in the rankings and most importantly, help the school significantly.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 26, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Several years ago, we took a cruise

run by somebody who was an $C alum, and I was the only UCLA grad in the group. They were all wearing their $C gear on the ship, at the various tourist sites and talking up their school at every opportunity, even to our foreign tour guides (I had to take one of them aside and explain that there were other universities in the US besides $C).

Their networking is amazing, and they all donate (the person who organized the tour was the husband of someone who was one of the vendor salespeople at work, and their pet project was the band). Given the size of $C, which is a large university, there has to be something we can learn from them in the area of alumni outreach. As much as I hate the school on general principle, they are obviously doing something right to foster such loyalty.

by ucla717274 on Dec 26, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

UCLA is my grad alma mater

I went to undergrad at UCI and went to grad school at UCLA. I feel way more connected to UCLA after being out of school a number of years mainly because of the success of the sports programs.

While it’s all nice and good when stuff happens academically (yay, some random faculty member got elected to the National Academy of Sciences!!!), it’s really the athletics that keeps me connected and also helps you gain more friends and contacts.

by 805Bruin on Dec 26, 2011 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

I hadn't really thought about the topic

Every year (or twice a year) I get a call from a student soliciting funds, asking me to meet or exceed my previous donation. I’ve even learned to recognize the numbers in the caller ID (usually masked in some way) because they always call around dinner time and are very aggressive. One thing you can say for our crosstown rivals is that they have amazing alumni connections and networking, and I’ve seen it carry over to hiring at my current company. Solicitations from my professional school are much more personalized – but I ended up changing careers, so I’m not as inclined to support them or participate in some of their activities (lectures, receptions, etc.) as I would be if I had pursued that profession for more than a couple of years.

Over the years I’ve become much more of a UCLA sports fan than I was as a student, and as 805 pointed out, I am now more connected because of athletics. I have great memories as a student. Maybe it’s my own fault for not joining a local alumni group, but I don’t see the same kind of outreach to alumni as a whole as the professional alumni groups do. Is it because of the size of the university or something else? I realize that the university is under pressure financially, but I agree that there could be a more creative and personalized approach to fundraising and reaching out to alumni than exists now.

by ucla717274 on Dec 26, 2011 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I think that's just it.

You said maybe it’s your fault for not joining an alumni group. But, that’s just it. I think they really expect you to do all the work.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 27, 2011 3:32 AM PST up reply actions  

This is an excellent piece, and one that applies on a much wider basis than just at UCLA.

(Although UCLA appears to be a classic case study.)

“Nestor” needs to take note and recognize and promote this excellent “calm” look at an important topic than can easily polarize people.

This issue is a “problem” to varying degrees at a number of institutions, who miss the point that by involving their community (its not just alumni, but parents, staff, everyone who has a connection), eventually invested people invest in “their” program.

It takes longer, and more work, but long term, pays much better dividends across the institution than the short term approach of “give us your money and get out of the way” attitude.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Dec 26, 2011 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

You do realize

Tasser and I all work together on this stuff. Do you? You are going to lecture us on how to organize a community given you can barely get 5 people to read your Beaver blog?

by Nestor on Dec 26, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't know being able to read...

…was required to get into a fourth-tier piece of s**t school like Oregon State. I guess you learn something new everyday.

Oregon State: where they suck at sports, suck at academics, and don’t even have the hot girls that Arizona State can fall back on. LOL what a total fail.

by Bellerophon on Dec 26, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

There was no indication that this piece had any collaboration.

If there was, so much the better.

I didn’t notice anywhere where my comments were “lecturing” anyone; merely acknowledging what was a very well written piece.

…excellent "calm" look at an important topic than can easily polarize people.

I was agreeing with the points made. It is disappointing that agreeing with well written work is somehow considered trolling.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Dec 26, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You were doing a little more than "agreeing" (see what I did there)

If you were merely showing your acknowledgment about a well written piece you wouldn’t feel the need to call me out personally. You also came in here to take a cheap shot against me. It’s not the first time you have taken cheap shots against us. You did it right at this comment thread and you do it all over. Now I am sure you are going to go around whine about it.

You are not going to see any of us go over to another community and talk down to the moderator of that community and tell him or her about what should be promoted or not promoted. None of us are going to go over to your blog to “agree” on something in a way while throwing in an offtopic cheap shot at the moderator. What you just did is a classic piece of trolling.

by Nestor on Dec 26, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Appreciate the compliment

but the shot at Nestor was unnecessary…and a bit hypocritical considering your comment.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 26, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What's with the quotes?

Is that supposed to be your Bennett Brauer impersonation?

by UCLA4Life on Dec 26, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

"Question," Andy

Why the “quotation” marks? Not a “criticism,” but an actual “question.”

by Fox 71 on Dec 26, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

Don't worry about Andy, Fox

The guy is just a troll who goes around the internets often attacking BN.

by Nestor on Dec 26, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Nestor is a "nickname", not an actual given name.

I was merely employing quotations to indicate this.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Dec 26, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet they were

“air” quotes.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Dec 26, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Does UCLA even know it has Alumni????

UCLA is like General Motors: arrogant, lazy and inefficient. The Athletics Program is such an unbelievable disaster. NO ONE seems to care. How many other areas of this University are poorly run? Why donate to an institution that is run worse that the Post Office? Funny thing is I would happily donate if the school showed any interest in its Alumni. I make good money and would be proud to donate if UCLA tried to reach out in an effective way. Again, if one area is poorly run odds are most areas are poorly run. The situation is only going to get worse. UCLA’s endowment should be more than USC’s but sadly well below. Can we get an aggressive Chancellor who has a vision? Since UCLA has become a PR nightmare in both its Athletics and Academics departments, expect Alumni donations to fall. A great University with such opportunity. Maybe one day it will wake up. Who knows. Perhaps it such go private.

by Wildcat bruin 64 on Dec 26, 2011 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

While we're all complaining, does anyone have any ideas?

We’re all saying that we’d donate more if the university reached out to us “creatively” or “effectively.” What exactly does that mean? I know it’s the university’s job to come up with those ideas, but how many creative ways can someone ask you to donate money to them?

Just curious.

by 805Bruin on Dec 26, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

We have some specific ideas on online fundraising

I wouldn’t put them out in public though because more than likely they will be effectively adopted by other programs. There is also issue of the underlying health of our two major revenue programs. Both of them are large questions marks. It’s a little bit of chicken and egg here. If we had great programs (as we should) with solid leadership at the top who are accountable to a well tuned in AD and Chancellor, it’d be easier to fundraise around them. On the other hand you also need to have effective promotion and fundraising strategies in place so that you can gin up excitement around them.

It has to be done in a meaningful and substantive way. It can’t be tacky and predictable. We have seen the tacky in the ridiculous posters in recent days. We have also seen predictable in the recent videos of Mora talking up Wooden. These guys do not put any thought into how they go about promoting the brand and it shows in the stale and boring work products they put out on public display.

by Nestor on Dec 26, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you start by informing students, professors and staff that they are in fact Bruins.

You tell them they are expected to Promote and Protect the UCLA brand.

You involve them in UCLA and they will do the rest on their own. I was told by a high school chum that his grandfather or an uncle was a lifelong janitor at SC. They took in his grandkids and gave them an exucation. Simple act with far reaching consequences.

If UCLA as an institution goes out of it’s way to help promote their students in the private sector, they will remember that and feel indebted. If UCLA as an institution tells it’s graduates that they are expected to recruit from UCLA graduating classes when staffing their companies, everybody will benefit and UCLA will reap rewards.

I think it is obvious that UCLA does not do any of these things.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Being a UCLA Alumnus means....

….more to other institutes, employers, companies, students, and alumni than our own UCLA administration.

by tazmiami on Dec 26, 2011 1:53 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Excellent summary of the problem.
We did not seem to have the same show of disinterest during the Charles Young years. I understand that we keep getting screwed by the “hire one of our own” mindset which pervaded the football coach hiring process. But in terms of the chancellor, we have struck out with our current Stanford/Oregon grad who was at Virginia, and his predecessor Cooper Union/Drexel/NC State grad who was at Harvard- i.e. no UCLA roots. Charles Young earned his masters and PhD degrees at UCLA, and was an effective advocate for UCLA in athletics, academics, and finances (at least, IMO).
I wonder how many of the current high-level admin folks at UCLA do not have ties. As you see, the administration doesn’t seem to care about alums. Perhaps if we had more alums in positions that matter, they would. Just a thought.

by islandbruin on Dec 26, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

especially on the point regarding academics. Years after graduation, academics just isn’t enough to keep one close to his / her alma mater anymore. And it’s true, UCLA connections are nowhere as cohesive as the private universities. Furthermore, some alumni just don’t even care about sports… call it apathy to insignificance.

by Ganplosive on Dec 26, 2011 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

This one really hits close to home

Some personal experience with UCLA:

I had some of the same experiences with the Career Center and the internship office when I was in school. You get the feeling you are bothering them by asking questions. It makes you wonder what it is they do all day, since it is their job to help students out.

I work in broadcast television and I can tell you that 1) Bruins do not seek each other out or try to help each other out. 2) Trojans actively try to sabotage you in the work place. Suffice it to say its a lot like walking a high wire with no net. Honestly the lack of Bruin cohesion bothers me more than the Trojan skullduggery. You kind of expect them to be petty.

UCLA does nothing to instill a sense of identity among it’s student body and it shows in it’s alumni.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 27, 2011 3:50 AM PST reply actions  

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