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The Morning After, Part 13: Oregon

\In the end, Rick Neuheisel wasn't good enough to win at U.C.L.A.  He's not alone.  (Photo by Steve Dykes/Getty Images)

If you had told me at the beginning of the season we'd be playing Oregon for the Pac-12 Title and a trip to the Rose Bowl, I'd have been thrilled. I guess the path is as important as the destination, though, because this morning feels like relief, and resignation. Mike Johnson will assume the head coaching role today, but I don't think that things are going to be much different in Westwood.

There really isn't anything new to say this morning that we haven't said before. The game went about how we predicted, or maybe a little better even. But this was a game that, even as the chosen representative of the Pac-12 South to play in the conference championship, the Bruins came into as 32 point underdogs. That's four and a half touchdowns, before a single down was played. The Pac-12 Commissioner admitted he was disappointed at the matchup (Hey Larry, be disappointed that *$c was cheating instead). BSPN talking heads were saying it was an embarrassment that the Bruins will be playing in a bowl (Hey Herbie, be embarrassed there are that many bowls). Even with the weight of a lame duck coach hanging around their necks, the Bruins travelled to the hardest place to play in the conference and put up one of their better games of the season. But despite scoring the 3rd highest point total for the season, the Bruins never really were in the game. When you look back at all of the losses this year, it says a lot that last night's 18 point defeat may have actually been our "best" loss. Add to that that U.C.L.A. is apparently unable to get a coach to come to Westwood for the tidy sum of $4 million, and the state of Bruins football is written pretty clearly.

Unfortunately, the state of Bruins football is not likely to change as long as the culture of mediocrity that permeates the Morgan Center and our ineffectual AD Dan Guerrero persists. Really, would any of us still have our own jobs if we performed the way he has over the last decade? The continued employment of Chianti Dan is a smear on Chancellor Block, and we all must keep the heat on him until that error is corrected.

There was a graphic on SportsCenter last night that Chianti ought to be forced to pin to his chest and wear as his Scarlet L (HT to Kenneth Powers for posting). The graphic showed the four worst coaching records in U.C.L.A. history. At the top was Rick Neuheisel, with a winning percentge of .420 over 4 years. Now if only that were the 3-point shooting percentage for any of our basketball players, we'd really have something. But in football, that number will only cost you your job. After Rick came Edwin Horrell (1939-44) and Bill Barnes (1958-64). Then, there in 4th place in the worst coaching list was Ramona Shelbornes' pet, Karl Dorrell. Now I'm not here to pile on Dorrell, I'm here to pile on Chianti Dan. And when his only 2 football hires both show up at the top of the list of losingest coaches in school history ( to say nothing of student seats, Nikki Caldwell, white uniforms vs *$c, Pauley, JRS... ), then his name needs to go alongside there as the worst AD in school history

This is the guy who is apparently trying to hire a third football coach. Luckily, we are hearing that some pretty potent boosters are very involved in the process, but the fact that Guerrerror still has a role in this has to be mortifying. If he picks another coach, where do you expect that name to appear on the Fox graphic 4 years from now? Is it surprising at all that he was apparently unable to impress Coach Petersen with a suitcase full of money and a promise to improve our facilities? Is it surprising that the affectations of the not so savvy Guerrerror were likely used to leverage the Boise State AD position towards one of Petersen's friends and supporters. It's a bad sign when one is getting outmaneuvered by the ultra-sophisticated types you find in Idaho.

The latest word is that Guerrerror has turned his lonely eye to Houston and Kevin Sumlin. The same coach who was 5-7 last season without his star QB, and who this year beat the Bruins by a FG and a PAT even with his star QB and the Bruins refusing to defend the forward pass. Does anyone think we should have won that game? (all hands go up). So does anyone have high hopes this is the guy to turn our program around? (all hands go back down)

We have a chance to save our football team, and by extension, athletics, and help the University as a whole. We need to gett the right leader for our football program. This means keeping Chianti Dan from choosing the next leader of the football program. We need everyone to go Bruin X and, by any means necessary, effect regime change in Westwood. The Chancellor's contact info is provided in a Fanpost with the same title. Don't let up on this. Every day. And we'll have more to follow soon.

But to get back to last night's Pac-12 Championship, I'd like to give props to our players for playing a pretty inspired game under very difficult circumstances. It was clear that they played their hearts out last night. It was also clear they were outcoached, outschemed, outmatched, outfundamentaled, and outexecuted. That's on coaching. And coaching is on Guerreror. I hope for their sakes, that we can get an AD in Westwood that is worthy of our incredible student-athletes.

Finally, thanks to Rick Neuheisel for his tireless efforts as our coach for the last 4 years. Despite the controversial past and question marks on his arrival, he has always represented the school and program with class and dignity, and never more so than this past week. It was really hard to see him go through the things he did since last Monday, and I hope he understands that Bruins Nation and the Bruin fans do not question his heart or character or loyalty. The record simply wasn't good enough. The dedication was never in doubt.

In the end, the failure of Neuheisel's passion bucket to build up the program may have been the key to figuring out what really ails the Bruins football program. And if we can get that part replaced, then maybe Rick Neuheisel really did save U.C.L.A. football after all.

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Herbstreit......

…….lost both bowl games he played in and managed to only tie their Michigan rival. The only thing he has expertise in is reproducing and he can’t take full credit for that either.

I don’t personally care what he says about anything but the effect on recruits is what I worry about.
Maybe he should talk about how much OSU stinks right now and how his alma mater is pretty good at cheating.
Dbag.

by tazmiami on Dec 3, 2011 5:14 AM PST reply actions  

He's a smug little never was that has been propped up by espn.

No different than most of their “talent”.
Does it surprise you that he tongue-polishes Tebow and Barkley?

by tazmiami on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 AM PST up reply actions  

fuck herbstreit.

he’s the biggest d-bag chump and everyone knows it. he was a bum at tosu and now he’s got his pretty little mug doing dove commercials. and fuck corso and espn as well. i’ve been very critical of crn and some of the players but i respect what they put on the field last night. i won’t get into the what if’s, but it was a strong effort against a classless top10 team who fox was apparantly annointing as the gods of football… and who will probably go on and go “O”-fer another game on the big stage. that said, while i was initially critical of us petitioning to accept a bowl bid, F it. why not? would have been 6-6 before last night, and i’d rather see our kids there than some other no-name school. saw some things last night that maybe if we start playing with a little focus and a chip on our shoulders we can parlay into some progress to close the season. hopefully the coaching search works out (i’m beyond speculating at that one). congrats to rick on a class exit lass night (such a disparity to the classless surroundings). like many on here, would love to see him as our AD. show Dan the f’ing door.

by mdwstbruin on Dec 3, 2011 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Herbsteit is a great announcer

good personality, smart, good color guy. why are you throwing poor Corso into the fire? poor old guy just puts on mascot heads for your amusement! save your hate for Craig James

by ginfizzbear on Dec 3, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually he's not.

He states the obvious and tries to back up statements with his average at best career. He was a system qb and frankly provides no in depth analysis. I dont believe in an espn/media conspiracy per ur post below but also dont need some fail of a former qb trying to deride my school. Maybe he should focus his ire on tosu. Oh thats right hes a homer and won’t. As for corso if u dont realize his shortcomings then uve already lost all credibility.

by mdwstbruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think seeing Corso as a guy who only puts on mascot heads

is recognizing his shortcomings at everything else. He’s like a clown, just there for entertainment and frightening children.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been following this coaching/AD thing for weeks

Saw the press conferences, been reading the articles on BN and the online newspapers… As an outsider to UCLA stuff, even I can see how ridiculous it is. Guerrero looks to have the charisma of a paperweight, and not getting a jump on the coaching search while Rich Rod and the Pirate are snatched up is inexcusable. I was surprised Neuheisel was retained past the Arizona game. Aren’t the best leaders supposed to be proactive? It’s as if he doesn’t want to make big decisions unless his hand is forced, and now UCLA is left to play head-coach musical chairs.

Maybe it’s inappropriate for me to take a shot at your AD, but after following along and seeing how much you guys care – and seeing how the AD clearly doesn’t, I’m kind of upset, too. Out-of-touch bureaucrats annoy me, and the Pac hasn’t been done any favors by this ordeal, either.

by scotty256 on Dec 3, 2011 5:48 AM PST reply actions  

No favors for the Pac

It has been interesting to me to see the overall decreased derision and hate from our Pac-12 brethren, particularly from my friends who went to that other school, and to see it replaced by what almost has become sympathy.

I agree that a balanced and competitive Pac-12 is good for everyone in the big picture. We’re not holding up our end.

Please, scotty, you’ve been here all year. Take all the shots you got.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, in that case...

Understand that I come from the perspective of an Oregon State grad. We’re “the little guy” (besides Wazzu) in the conference. We don’t have mountains of money, a big destination city, or any of that. OSU has to scrap for every little thing, and when we have great runs, like 2001, 2008-2009, it’s awesome and kind of miraculous (I love my Beavs :-) )

So what also kind of irritates me is that I see this school in the conference that has a bunch of advantages we don’t:

Money? Check.
Big name recognition? Check.
Hot recruiting area? Check.
Big-time city? Check.
Play at giant famous stadium? Check.

And yet so much of that is being squandered. If only we had those things! It makes me look at Guerrero and want to bash my head into a wall. It’s like he doesn’t know how good he has it and what he could potentially do! It’s a huge waste.

[sigh]

by scotty256 on Dec 3, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

What I saw last night . . .

. . . was metaphorical for what I expected back in September. I harbored no illusions about 10-2 or a top 10 finish for this bunch, but when asked here in one of those fan polls how many wins, I picked 8. 8-4 would have been decent as a record , provided that the 4 were respectable. Last night, despite the score, I saw a defense play with intensity, hit hard, a line which though it didn’t sack the QB, applied pressure, and made several RB tackles for loss, on what is probably the best stable of backs in the Conference. I saw a coach engaged and animated in the game in a way that didn’t involve angered contortions with his QB. I saw innovative play calling that didn’t always work, but still helped make an offense interesting, and on occasion dramatically successful. I saw more reps for the best RB on our team, a bruising, punishing runner who despite his size and style is not without a bit of his own speed. I saw a receiver, highly touted as an incoming Freshman, have the kind of game he was expected to deliver weekly, topped off with a highlight reel catch down the stretch. I saw a tired defense still trying at the end. In short, there were lots of things about last night’s game that proved, by their very occurrence, that our roster is full of capable athletes, very much deserving of the opportunity to be mentioned in the same breath as the Conference champion. Oh, what could have been . . .

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Dec 3, 2011 6:03 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for posting that because I agree!

That was the only game this year that I watched and enjoyed. I didn’t expect the Bruins to win or even be close. But I enjoyed how they played. This would have probably been a win against everyone except USC, Stanford, and Oregon. If only Franklin would have played better (or not at all), we could have made it close. I agree that Coleman should have been the #1 running back. The Bruins would have had a lot more 3rd and short instead of 3rd and longs this year. And finally, they were able to play with discipline and avoid costly turnovers. The team we saw last night should have been the team that we should have gotten all year long….a decent 8-4 team.

by Steve Nakamoto on Dec 3, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Correction: Avoid costly penalities!

And finally, they were able to play with discipline and avoid costly penalities (they or Franklin still made the turnovers). The team we saw last night should have been the team that we should have gotten all year long….a decent 8-4 team.

by Steve Nakamoto on Dec 3, 2011 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Right on target

The team we saw last night WAS the team we expected to see all season long. Like others have posted, it was probably the most enjoyable game to watch all season long and “The Catch” was spectacular. I was not pleased when RN was selected as the UCLA coach, as I had witnessed his mess here in Seattle up close. And although I became a convert in the sense of respecting how he’d cleaned up his act and became an avid supporter of anything Blue & Gold, he clearly couldn’t pull it all together. One could talk of injuries, new schemes, coaching turnovers and the like, but those are all facts of life in college football and others seem to make it happen regardless. I wish Rick the best.

One question: Many have said our AD has to wake up and offer big bucks to quality candidates. Did I miss something, but isn’t $4,000,000/year in the “big bucks” category? I’m not defending him specifically, but think ‘someone’ should get recognition for upping the ante in the search for Rick’s replacement. Trying to replace and AD 1st and then start a coaching search would probably only put us further in the hole. Having the same loser pick a 3rd coach is also a really bad situation. How can we avoid this lose-lose scenario at this point?

by GoSolar on Dec 3, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

One modest proposal

Kick Rick Upstairs – with the obvious pay cut of course – dump Dan and then hire a marquee coach. For Pete’s sake, NOT Sumlin! Like the race track touts say on Maiden races “Let’s watch one first.” Right now, the guy looks great because of Keenum.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Dec 3, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

RN as AD...

…is appealing to me as well as we know he can certainly represent the brand that is UCLA and effectively sell it. however, as others have noted, running the AD is more like running a business and may not be best suited for a former player. Not that it cannot be done. Also, it would be VERY awkward I think for a new coach to potentially have to work for the guy he replaced. But it has been done before at other schools.

by seernst on Dec 3, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill Moos was a WSU offensive line men in 1973

and is now WSU’s AD

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Dec 3, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The recognition for upping the ante goes to the people who are forcing Chianti's hand

I assure you this was not Dan’s plan. You have seen some names floating around. These are a few of the people who are pushing an ignorant and stubborn Guerrerror into the 2000’s to make a real commitment to football.

4 mil is absolutely in the big bucks category, but that number is offered only to those Tier 1 names – Meyer, Petersen, Leach maybe. As we head down to lower tiers, the offers should drop accordingly. The difference is that this AD never ventured into those top tiers with realistic proposals before, and settled on someone who was willing to do it on the cheap. And we got what we paid for.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm Starting To Think...

the D-bags in the media are intentionally trying to cripple our chances at getting a top tier coach. Why? Imagine the powerhouse UCLA could be if we got everything in place (top coach, facilities, practice field, on campus football field).
Imagine if everything started clicking, BSPN would have to choice but start singing out praise…with a snarky comment or two

by Bruin Bro on Dec 3, 2011 6:27 AM PST reply actions  

Seriously...

I think there are those that have a ‘vested’ interest in seeing UCLA football fail…

by Bruin Bro on Dec 3, 2011 6:51 AM PST up reply actions  

What would be nice is when Petersen inevitably rejects us

He says that despite the money being thrown around, UCLA just isn’t serious about football.

Or SOME coaching candidate to say that.

It might help move things along if someone from the inner circle of college football coaches (but from outside the sphere of UCLA) were to actually air out in public the dysfunction that is UCLA athletics. Simers saying it is one thing; it’s another if it’s Petersen or Leach or Golden or whoever else turns us down. Maybe that’s what Petersen was doing when he rejected us last time by saying he didn’t want to coach at “that place.”

Bureaucrats can always find a simpleton way of blowing us the fans and alumni off, but they’d have a hard time facing it if some external coach broke from etiquette and said something in public, rather than the typical “I respectfully decline” platitudes we usually hear when a coach says no to the job.

by palafox on Dec 3, 2011 6:42 AM PST reply actions  

No incentive to do so

Look at Leach. Took him a couple years and a desperate program to get hired. Bureaucrats do not like ‘Boat Rockers.’

by Scotucla03 on Dec 3, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

If Block fires Guerrerror now

Who hires the coach? Do you wait until you have a new AD in place? I can imagine Block has started thinking about putting a list together…hmm, it was here someplace.

by UCLA2020 on Dec 3, 2011 6:55 AM PST reply actions  

Casey Wasserman and friends.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct.

My bad. Fixed. Thanks.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Grim future

Can you imagine what the next 4-5 years will be like? With Guerrero picking a 3rd football coach another 4 to 5 years of depressing years coming up. I don’t know the UCLA brand as strong as it is can go through more of this s%@t and survive. Who could sit through watching the team be embarrassed week after week for the next few years. I really think if Chianti stays and the culture doesn’t change now, UCLA will be damaged forever.

by cyberdbk on Dec 3, 2011 7:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Herbstreit declares UCLA football a non-factor

Since the late ’90s

Read: Dan Guerro’s tenure

Herb may be a d-bag, but he’s right

by DrJay32 on Dec 3, 2011 7:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Fire Dan Now!

ESPN is trash. They deliberately interposed snark from a punk, classless and clueless, moron SUC QB (forgive the multiple oxymorons here) to belittle our program, thus minimizing the blatant cheaters who were properly ineligible because of years of breaking and flaunting the rules against player payola. Why? Because they are SUC whores, as is now Larry Scott, who clearly enjoy kicking UCLA when it’s down. That’s okay. Payback is a beautiful thing. Make the right hire and it will come as early as next year, and will be very sweet. Side note: they couldn’t even get Billy Barnes years as the Head Coach right,

Chianti Dan is a disgrace. And all of the top HC candidates know it, much to our detriment. My quick fix. Fire the bumbler who is killing our coaching hire and replace him with former CRN. Neu has more class and passion for UCLA in his thumb than the bumbler has displayed in his entire, destructive tenure as the self-aggrandizing, paper-pushing, petty bureaucrat that he is. But whatever, fire the bumbler now. Our potential top tier recruits will exponentially increase immediately. Hell, we could at least “settle” for a guy like Randy Shannon as the DC, let alone a fricking HC. (Not a suggestion, just an illustrative example of the point.). Former CRN is not a great coach, unfortunately, but other football coaches would love to have him as their boss. Of course, this is the minor point. The big point is the bumbler must be fired now to save the hire.

We are a sleeping giant. Emphasis on the word giant. That’s why our detractors mock us. They fear our real, amazing potential. Make the right hire and the talent we have on this team could really be harnessed. With Hundley and a new offense, with the same fricking guys who fecklessly poured their guts out with proper coaching, with some future five star recruits who will rush into the fold of a top tier coach, the sky is the limit for us. That’s exactly what SUC and ESPN do not want. It is so obvious, especially after last night.

FIRE DAN NOW!

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 7:50 AM PST reply actions  

Every day we keep Chianti Dan

Translates to a lost year on the field.

End it

by DrJay32 on Dec 3, 2011 7:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

you're welcome

Well, you’ve got a delusion that people mock UCLA because they’re a “sleeping giant.” As someone who regularly mocks UCLA, I felt like clarifying the reason for doing so. It’s really much simpler than your reason.

Sorry to hear that my post will be the highlight of your day. Especially because it’s only 8:30 AM on a Saturday with nice weather. Maybe get a dog?

by ginfizzbear on Dec 3, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

How did you survive 13-9?

Or losing 8 in a row? Oh well.

I don’t mind legitimate criticism of our, at best, mediocre team. I just don’t like the snark. Classless. Clueless.

I’ll say this. I’ve always liked Pat Haden, even John Robinson and John McKay. I like your old basketball coach who lost only two games, to UCLA, and couldn’t play in the NCAA tournament. Terrible, different era, but terrible. That was a great SUC team. Class guy all the way. I could go on.

I didnt like Lame Kiffin for what he did in Tennessee, but he can sure coach and he’s cut out the crap the last two years. For that I admire him. You got lucky on your fourth or fifth choice.

Whenever SUC acts with class, I’ll acknowledge it.

But I won’t take crap from ESPN whores who use harmless twitter snark from your QB and throw it out there nationwide to punk us unnecessarily when we are obviuosly down. It wasn’t cute or funny, except maybe to a sophomore from SUC. But like I say, that’s fine. It will make the payback sweeter.

CRN oozed class, but, unfortunately, was a mediocre coach who lost his team, IMO, a year ago. He should have been gone then. But that’s okay.

When we get a coach, our program will be fine on the field, too, as soon as next year. You won’t be mocking us then.

In the meantime, keep trolling.

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

He's not a trojan

He’s from a program that has never accomplished anything. Point to the scoreboard this season and you’ll see why he is bitter.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

says the never been...

Kal = Johnny Drama

U.C.L.A = Vinny Chase

We might be down… We might need rehab… But we’ve been factors… You’ve always been a non-factor.

by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 3, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

UCLA is more like Charlie Sheen

Fascinating to watch.

Yes, UCLA was a factor two Wisconsin Rose Bowl wins in the 90’s. Why did Cade McNown run out the clock, anyway?

But at least UCLA’s been there since the 50’s sob

Cal finished the 2004 season 9th-ranked, that’s not bad right?

by ginfizzbear on Dec 3, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal fan is worse than Cubs fan...

Cal fan is such a desperate douche… after suc gets sanctioned, desperate Cal fan manufactures Pac-10 championship t-shirts for 04 and 06.

Cal fan isn’t even a lovable loser like Cub fan… just a loser.

http://goldenbearlair.com/2011/06/09/cal-football-2004-2006-pac-10-champion-t-shirts-on-sale-now/

by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 3, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, yes ... the 2004 season

With the #1 ranking on the line, #2 Cal goes down to hapless Oregon St. at home with gross mismanagement of the clock down the stretch. That’s as close as Cal will ever come to relevancy again with Tedford in charge.

You’re wrong … it’s bad.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 3, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

we kicked your ass

Go away, mr 52 years since your last rose bowl.

by GoldenGate93 on Dec 3, 2011 8:44 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

the ass-kicking was indeed disgraceful

nice to hear someone FINALLY yell “SCOREBOARD” — it’s the only putdown that makes sense, beyond media conspiracies, “relevancy,” and other defense mechanisms that Bruin poosters are famous for.

OK, I’m gone, adios. have fun at the Kraft bowl.

by ginfizzbear on Dec 3, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My fear is The Guerror will go out and give someone like Sumlin the kind of contract he was offering Petersen.

He would then try and sell us on the idea he just got us a top tier coach. “See guys? I’m paying him a lot of money! He must be one of the countries best, since only the best coaches make this kind of money.”

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

That is a MAJOR concern

No 1st tier money for anything less than 1st tier talent.
And the 1 guy who really wanted the job we (grrr-error) arrogantly let walk to WSU…
Plan A now has to be getting grrr-error fired for cause.

by GemCityBruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Worse ...

Apparently, 1st tier Mike Leach was available for far less than 1st tier money. If that isn’t cause for summary dismissal, I don’t know what is.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Great post, except....

Why the ignorance about sophistication level of people who live and work in Idaho? C’mon gbruin, you’re from Colorado…you’re better than that!

by Idaho87 on Dec 3, 2011 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed. No reason to put down the good people of Idaho.

But there is every reason to put down the media whores who worship a major, cheating, violating, horsehit program lIke SUC and needlessly mock us when we are down with snark from their classless future NFL bomb. Can you say Matt Leinart and not laugh hysterically?

Actually I wish the clueless kid a great NFL career, as I do all college athletes, even if he is from SUC. But ESPN had no business highliging hid snark in the coverage of our game. That was bull and really indefensible.

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't

I’m not going to wish injury on him, but if he has a career ending injury in practice before he ever plays a down, I won’t feel a thing. Sometimes shitty people get more than they deserve in life as silver spoon barkley has thus far in his life, but when they get exactly what they deserve for being a shitty person, well, let’s just say that doesn’t make me sad.

by Tydides on Dec 3, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but

Schadenfreude is still a lesser character trait, fun, but not the best practice, right?

Now karma is a different matter.

So which is it? Any philosophers here?

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really see unconditional forgiveness as a better character trait

I also stated I probably wouldn’t be happy about him suffering a career ending injury. It just won’t make me sad or sad for him. It’ll be the same way I feel about Whineart and Bush now, the same way their pro careers have turned out: “Meh”.

by Tydides on Dec 3, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not meant to be a personal shot at Idaho

Just that BSU is not an historical football power along the lines of the SEC or Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska,…ahem, *$c. BSU has had a great run in D-1 for a decade, but when our AD is getting owned by BSU, he is really way way below the curve.

Sorry that came off wrong.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries...

There are countless examples of our AD’s incompetence, and being owned by BSU is just another. I believe BSU’s 10+ year rise is severely under appreciated…45 years ago, BSU was a Jr. College, and didn’t gain university status until the mid-seventies. In the last 10 years, the administration has made an incredible commitment to football, both financially and politically. This has resulted in Boise State’s rise to a national football power, despite it’s weak conference and location in a state with a population of 1,000,000. The residual benefits include a similar meteoric rise in the academic reputation of BSU, state of the art athletic facilities and improvements in BSU non revenue sports. All fueled, of course, by big donors who didn’t pay attention prior to the Bronco’s dominance on the football field.

This didn’t happen by accident. The administration, led by the U.C.L.A. alum, made a plan and implemented it to perfection. So, I think BSU belongs up there with the big boys in terms of athletic department sophistication.

by Idaho87 on Dec 3, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm prepared to get shot down for this, but . . . .

At the end of last season, a large number of us had completely exited the Neuheisel train and called for his firing. At that time, Urban Meyer, Mike Leach, and Rich Rodriquez where all top tier coaches who were available.

Another great number of us where willing to wait and see how this season got played out. Approximately half way the season (Debacle in the Desert) it became apparent to everyone else (Sans Guerror) that it was time for Neuheisel to go. At that time, Urban Meyer, Mike Leach, and Rich Rodriquez where all top tier coaches who were available. If we had fired him then, we could have been talking to all of these guys in any number of combinations and landed a mighty big fish.

Of course we find ourselves in the wake of Donut Dan’s path of destruction, and all top tier candidates are taken. Except for Jim Tressel. That’s right boys and girls. The anathema to Coach Wooden. The lunatic running the asylum at tOSU is a pretty good coach. At this time last year, I would have said, NEVER! Half way through this season I would have said, NEVER! But, as I read the many opinions about which up and coming coordinator we can hire; I realize we are getting set up for another Lavin type hire. I consider that my UCLA fandom hinges on the decision that will shortly be made by the biggest buffoon in College Sports. And, I for one am ready to dance with the devil.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

I'm in

But isn’t there a 2-year period where he’s not allowed to coach (or something like that?) Oh, who am I kidding? DG would never hire him anyway.

Stop bringing up good ideas, Mexi – it only depresses me.

by the blur 98 on Dec 3, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I would imagine there is some kind of 'show cause' restraint to his being hired.

I don’t know the details though. Let’s say there is. I would be prepared to allow Mike Johnson carry the Interim tag for another year, if I knew for a fact we would land Coach Beelzebubba at the end of his exhile.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is everyone so quick to want to hire coaches with issues. RichRod was run out of Michigan because his teams played no D, plus other baggage. Leach has baggage, plus his teams played no D. Tressel has more baggage than both of them combined. We all criticize how SC has cheated their way to the top. Why so fast to want to do the same? Chip Kelly had never been a head coach until Oregon. His last gig was OC at the powerhouse University of New Hampshire. Let’s hope Dan actually takes his time and comes up with something creative. Even Cheatey Petey was SC’s 4th choice.

by WoodenMan88 on Dec 3, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, please remove your blinders before posting.

Mike Leach’s problems have been so thoroughly debunked, here and elsewhere it makes a fool of you to mention it.

RichRod’s only problem at Michigan was not being a ‘Michigan man’ he was sabotaged from within the Michigan family than crucified for not suceeding. Arizona spoke to Urban Meyer before anyone else! When he turned them down, he suggested RichRod as one of the top 5 most innovative minds in football. Guess who Arizona hired?

I am the first to admit Tressel’s shortcomings. Hence the references to dancing with the devil. Outside of his willful ignorance, the man can flat out coach. His teams have perennially resided among the nation’s elite. Even when not a serious National Championship contender, his teams have stayed close enough that when others faltered, OSU was given the invite instead. You ARE aware how much money a school gets just for playing in a NC game, aren’t you?

Finally, to answer your question. We want a homerun hire. Period. Hiring a coordinator is inviting yet another 4-5 year rebuilding period, while programs across the Pac 12 will be lighting up the scoreboard and sucking up all the recruits while we sink further into mediocre oblivion.

So, my question to you is what do you have against success?

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's give Block 2 choices

Either fire DG and set this mess straight or leave Pac-12 and join a mid-major conference to compete with the like of CSUN, Cal state San Bernardino and UC Davis. Because we need to be competitive with the conference foes. You chose; we can’t be the conference doormat every year.

by cyberdbk on Dec 3, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

To be Fair

UCLA was not the doormat this year. We ended up winning a fair number of games against the conference doormats and ended up finishing in second place in our division. While I am not at all pleased with the performance and we did underachieve, we are not the doormat.

Go Bruins

by nkbruin on Dec 3, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You are in denial

We weren’t in last place this year but sure played like we should be. There is really not much difference in the last place and second place in the joke of PAC-12 southern division. This is as bad as it gets and thing aren’t looking any better. Did you even watch the Arizona game or you were puking like I was? Wakeup and smell the coffee Nk.

by cyberdbk on Dec 3, 2011 9:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with nkbruin

Finishing second is not terrible. We just played uninspired football and it’s not up to ucla standards.

by Bruin on Dec 3, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Wrong. We finished tied for 4th overall.

And if you go by overall records. We finished with the 6th worst record overall. Not to mention we lost to two teams below us.

You say that was not terrible?

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

4/12 is not good but it is not the doormat

The original post was regarding how we aren’t competitive with our conference and we should leave to compete with the likes of CSUN. My argument is exactly that while we underachieved and did not play to the standards we should expect from UCLA, we are clearly not to the point of being the “doormat” of the PAC-12. I did watch the Arizona game and was pissed. I also think that letting neuheisel go was the thing to do. Fire DG too! But let’s not be ridiculous and say that we belong in a conference with San bernadino and northridge.

Also, on a separate note, hopefully Sumlin’s big loss today will make DG look elsewhere for a coach.

Go Bruins

by nkbruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Actually, I'm with you on that.

And I do believe that if UCLA admin, this means Guerror, or Block, heard the suggestion, they would consider it.

Say no to Non BCS AQ conferences! We must stay in Pac 12 and get competitive.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Dec 3, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If we end up hiring a 2nd or 3rd tier coach for $1.5M...

the entire “search” was a scam. Doughnut Dan was never going to spend $4M on a coach.

His financing and donantions for the Pauley Fiasco has been a total disaster and he wants to uses the T.V. deal money to cover his shortfalls.

Doughnut knows that he smooth over poor on the field performance with Blockhead… It is much tougher to smooth over being $30M short on your $100M renovation project.

by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 3, 2011 8:52 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Excellent Post^^^

And probably the truth of the matter.

by ConfofChamps on Dec 3, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

He's let the cat out of the bag

I expect NOTHING less than a total of 8 million minimum spent on football for the next season (be it coaches, assistants, facilities, equipment, marketing I don’t give a fu*k) but I DEMAND to see at least 6 million GOOD OL CASH SPENT ON FOOTBALL. Period. If DG was walking around talking 4 mil on coach, 3 mil on assistants, and then ends up spending less than 3 mil total on coaches, assistants and facilities, all hell would break loose

by Ganplosive on Dec 4, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Too bad we have DanG and Blockhead because I am

afraid resistance to mediocrity is futile..We have a better chance of defeating the Borg..

by Gary72 on Dec 3, 2011 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

If you are not depressed or angry enough, I suggest you consider

getting the BRO premium…Tracy will send you into orbit (please delete if this reference is inappropriate)..

by Gary72 on Dec 3, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Living the worst case scenario

The Chancellor is as much to blame as anyone else in this mess. His faith in DG has perpetuated this dire situation. History has proven DG’s inability to run this program with lack of foresight and any type of contingency or succession planning. Hell there is no plan and never was on his part. As usual the rest of the FBS schools are blowing by us laughing as we continue to languish in our own vomit out here. I would suggest we’re downright helpless except for the fact BN has picked up the flag and is really starting to impose it’s will. This is awesome to see how the alumni are really starting to come together to force positive change and a job well done by all here in BN. I’m not an alumnus just a passionate fan for over 40 years and it’s great to see the push everyone is providing here. Please keep up the good work and pressure.

by rsmbruinfan on Dec 3, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

A passionate fan is as good or better than we alumni.

Many times you appreciate what we have taken for granted. Welcome fellow Bruin!

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I am looking forward to the next phase of our coaching search...

where we offer jobs to coaches who will turn around and leverage the offer for substantial raises from their current employer…Under DanG, this is the real Bruin tradition…

by Gary72 on Dec 3, 2011 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Yes. We talk about shooting for the moon,

but settle for a one way ticket on the LA subway to nowhere.

Good grief.

by uclahy on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

"There was a graphic on the Fox telecast"

just a heads up, that graphic was from SportsCenter

by Kenneth Powers on Dec 3, 2011 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks. I'll fix that, too.

I saw it in the postgame thread and assumed I’d missed it on TV.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

hope DG is watching sumlin getting

Checked by coach Larry fedora. Maybe he should consider him if he was considering sumlin

by bruin578 on Dec 3, 2011 10:08 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Specifically in response to what you, lostnacfgop, saw last night ....

We DO have the talents to compete well, despite the overwhelming odds against us last night. Our players fought with everything they got, even with the kitchen sinks, if it was needed just to vindicate their coach that recruited them on his very last game.

On a frigid cold night, they showed their efforts from their hearts. UCLA put Rick in a no win situation from the moment they hired him for expedient reasons BN commented well here.

The culprit IS Dan Guerrero, make no mistake about it. And the person who hired Dan Guerrero IS the accomplice to UCLA’s stellar image being dragged through the muds these days.

by Htse005 on Dec 3, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

I wrote a post a week back in which I listed only three guys that I would accept...

and they were Mike Leach, Chris Petersen, and Pat Fitzgerald. Well, not suprisingly two of them are gone and now only Fitzgerald remains. I have not heard his name ever mentioned so to me their probably isn’t even a chance at this happening. Also, with DG heading the search, the chance for a great hire is extremely low. That being said, I will say it again. Pat Fitzgerald is a legit, top tier coach.

First, he is young…….36 years old. He loves college football and has no NFL ties or NFL lineage. He is a college coach. If successful, he is the type of guy who will stay at a program for 20 years. For all his youth, he has been a Division 1 coach for 6 years at his alma mater, Northwestern University. He was the youngest head coach in the NCAA when he was hired. He took over for Randy Walker, who died, so at his young age he was able to deal with college guys whose coach had just died. That shows character and an ability to lead. I cannot think of a harder transition to make as a coach, with more pressure, and he handled it incredibly well. He has a 40-35 career record at Northwestern, a school known for its academics and tough admissions standards. Sound familiar? His offenses are wide open and exciting. He does more with less better than any coach in the country. Sumlin’s resume cannot compare to Fitzgerald’s. He has gone to three bowl games in a row. He………as well all like to say……….is always bringing a knife to a gunfight, against teams that are alot bigger, faster, stronger, and more talented…….yet, he always does well. He has to know that his ceiling is not very high at Northwestern and that if he really wants to test himself he will have to do somewhere else. I am telling you, if we don’t get this guy or at least show interest, a big school will swallow him up and he’ll be coaching their for years and years……and having success. Lastly, his teams play by the rules. Their has never been a hint of cheating in his program, as it is as clean as a whistle. He is a member of the American Football Coaches Associations Ethics Committee, and is known as a tireless worker and good recruiter.

What is their not to like? How are we at least not talking to this guy? He meets absolutely every single criteria that we are looking for in a head coach. He is enthusiastic, tough, energetic, young and bright, and has all the successful experience in a big time conference that we are looking for. This guy is the real deal, not a fake who is living off a 6th year senior to get a big time contract. Fitzgerald has earned the right to be considered, and I would be honored to have him as our next head coach.

Unfortunately, it makes too much sense for DG and he would never be able to make such a great hire for our great university.

by muircoach on Dec 3, 2011 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Fitz is it for you?

What has he done that many other coaches out there and possibly available have not. Widen the net…

by Seahawcla on Dec 3, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

the reason Pat Fitzgerald won't leave

he’s from Illinois, he was a star Northwestern player, and he ended up with the Northwestern HC job because his predecessor and boss died young.

I realize some will say “loser mentality” etc. which would be true if I were saying it regarding most top candidates, but this one would be more than just selling UCLA—Fitzgerald is likely a NU lifer.

by Kenneth Powers on Dec 3, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I explained myself more than enough as to why he would be a great candidate...

as for being a NU lifer, I agree. However, he may have his sights set higher and I at least think it deserves consideration. Do I think he’ll leave? No. However, after seeing the university and all it has to offer, along with alot bigger contract, he just might consider it. Just depends on what he wants to accomplish as a coach and if he thinks he can do it at UCLA.

by muircoach on Dec 3, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Was really expecting that "turned his lonely eye" link....

to bring me to an image of the eye of Sauron. Maybe I’m just reading BN too much to distinguish incompetence from evil in DG. But it does fit the whole “I can only focus my thoughts on one candidate at a time” thing…distract DG with a desperate attempt at Petersen, and he won’t stop Wazzu from destroying the ring.

Or maybe I should just change my name to BruinNerd.

by jkup85 on Dec 3, 2011 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

It was a Mrs. Robinson reference

Now if I had said “a vast lidless eye, wreathed in flame”, than you’d be right on.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 3, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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