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Turning Point: UCLA @ Cal Golden Bears Game Thread

UCLA Bruins at California Golden Bears, Dec 31, 2011 1:00 PM PST


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A turning point? In the second game of the Pac-12 season? Well yes, that tends to happen when you limp into this game at 6-6 against Division I competition. Beating BN's predicted winner of the conference on the road is going to be a tough task, but it's also tough trying to dig out of an 0-2 conference hole to win the Pac-12. Without getting into the details of "expectations vs. predictions", let's just say that Ben Howland and his team had better find a way to end this disastrous year for Bruin athletics on a high note, or you'll only see the Hot Seat talk intensify.

All teams have questions surrounding them, but the questions surrounding the Bruins at this late stage are of great concern. Will we handicap our own chances of success by rolling out a 2x Wear Man to Man? Will our point guard play value ball movement and distribution over shot hunting? Will we hold players accountable for taking defensive plays off and failing to block out and secure rebounds? Will this year's Bruins finally grab a NCAA Tournament resume building win, rather than feasting off of cupcakes?

This game is a turning point, and the way we answer the questions above could go a long way in determining whether this team continues to walk the tenuous path to a Tournament berth or goes into a death spiral. We're all about to get some answers soon. Let's close 2011 out the right way.

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Damn it

Start the game already. Let’s get this over with.

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

dan bargained with fsn

for a 10 min game delay. that’s something right?

by MathBruin on Dec 31, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF

He just threw that out of bounds

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

Smith will probably play 15 minutes today.

Look at this pace. Running back and forth constantly. It’s nice to watch

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

I'm constantly amazed

At the difference between the Wears chasing offensive rebounds and them not chasing defensive rebounds.

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

16-13 cal

playing 2 possession I think of zone that resulted in baskets the rest is lousy m2m 13:57 left in half

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Allen Crabbe is such a stud

we can’t do M2M, too slow

can’t do zone, Allen Crabbe too good

by BruinEngy on Dec 31, 2011 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Crabbe is mostly just a jump shooter

That time at the beginning of the game where he pump faked and took the 2 was like the 2nd time i’ve seen him create his own shot successfully

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

19-15 cal

zone again.. crabbe wide open 3 easily broke it down

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

Smith is killing us

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

still 19-15 cal

too much dribbling anderson off his foot and out of bounds

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Cal is just a really well coached team.

look at the way they pass the ball to get inside. It’s beautiful. They don’t have anyone with JS’s size, they’re playing wi/out Solomon and they’re getting anything they want inside

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

I was watching the Dallas Mavericks the other day (I really hate that team...) and the passing was flawless

It just looked as if it was to a point where they didn’t think about it. It was habit for them. Beautiful

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

Looking at David Kravish

Imagine what Monty would have done wit Brendan Lane.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

too many turnovers

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

How many TO's for Smith

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

20-17 cal

another turnover agree with marques.. powell made the right cut, but did not look for the pass from smith

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

smith

needs to be taught to do all the hard work before the catch. He should be able to catch the ball within a couple feet of the basket every time and not have to travel so far to score

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Lamb good game

Rest of team too many TO’s

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I really am disappointed in the Wears.

How land needs to pull him every time he does something like that.

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

25-24 ucla after 3 pt play

break lamb goaltend on his shot and blocking foul

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

26-25 cal

they just destroyed zone for layup

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

Never seen a more mentally bound player

than Lamb. He gets hot, he gets confident, the hoop get huge. I’m glad that Howland hasn’t totally given up on the kid due to his offensive struggles and par defense to date this season. Watching him and Powell will be fun if they continue to develop together and grow their chemistry.

by BruinAlum2011 on Dec 31, 2011 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

I really think

Lamb plays better with Powell on the court. It’s weird that Howland doesn’t see it.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

agree

I would start powell at 3, lamb at 2 and jones at 1. Anderson is best served off the bench in my opinion plus we are playing for the stretch run now. We need Lamb, Powell to be better players at the end of the year and next season.

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree

It takes the pressure off of Lamb to make the plays himself (seeing as Jones is not doing to much to set up our 2s and 3s for open looks). When his positioning goes awry, he has Powell to confidently dump off too, when he gets open or a lane, he calls his own number. Loving it.

by BruinAlum2011 on Dec 31, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

defense?

How many teams have we shot this well against. Every 3 look we have had has been wide open. Granted we usually don’t make our open ones.

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Extremely well coached team

But they do have problems with super athletic teams.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I think its the tall athletic wings they have problems with

They were solid last year too but got blown out by like 20 and then 30 by UW

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith should just sit down

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

lowest desire

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

not so sure

I think his body gets in his way. He knows what plays to make

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

dragovic

and since I consider dragovic the bar.. smith needs to go alot lower

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It continues to boggle my mind that a team that was supposed to have the most talented front court

and big men now basically relies on its guards. Right? If they don’t shoot well and make the right plays UCLA doesn’t win. Kind of crazy how that happened.

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

Eff

Liked that defensive possession up till FOULING THE JUMPSHOOTER

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

WHY iS WEAR SHOOTING THAT?

DOESN’T MATTER THAT IT WENT IN! HE CAN’T SHOOT IT! GET PULLED NOW

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

Free throws are part practice and part mental

let’s assume that Howland does have them practice free throws (actually, that’s a very generous assumption, what ARE they practicing, since it’s certainly not defense)

then missed free throws are a mental issue, from being soft

by BruinEngy on Dec 31, 2011 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

UCLA must be one of the worst teams in the country

in terms of sending opponents to the FT line. ANyone have the numbers for this?

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

Lane already out

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

35-30 cal

the worst offensive player in UCLA history jumphook airball resulted in a lu by gutierrez at the other end.. scrolling back it was anderson’s terrible defense in transition looking for someone else to get back for him that allowed gutierrez behind him.

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

37-35 cal

zeke to lamb 3 in transition

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Heat check for Lamb

Given how he’s been shooting, I don’t mind that one

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

3s

I hope we don’t fall in love with ourselves.. half winding down we are now 5-8 from 3. We can’t really shoot better than that.. 5-6 to start and we are trailing by 2

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

Lamb with 16 first half points. Killing it. Well done.

More importantly, 75% shooting with his two misses on apparent heat checks

by BruinAlum2011 on Dec 31, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

david

shortarms a lefty jumphook as usual but gets bailed out with a foul call

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Down by 1 at half

I guess I can take that for now

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

Boring Baketball!

UCLA is not even fun to watch anymore!

by Trojanswearskirts on Dec 31, 2011 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know if watching our defense get shredded

and getting bailed out by free throws is fun to watch.

by BruinEngy on Dec 31, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

At least there's a lot of scoring

It’s like the Lavin era all over again

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is one of the most exciting games in awhile.

UCLA is down by 1 to the best team in the PAC 10 at THEIR stadium. It is what, 39-40 or something? That is a REALLY high score for a Howland team. Well, I guess with this D…

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank Goodness I Don't Have Split Screen TV

I am flipping channels when a time out occurs in either the football or basketball game. When I am lucky, there are commercials on both channels at the same time. Ouch.

by islandbruin on Dec 31, 2011 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

I so dislike him.

He goes out of his way to favor whoever is playing UCLA, apparently to prove his lack of bias. Nowadays, I switch the sound off when he’s on the broadcast.

by Seth Chandler on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm watching the BB game on cable

and the football game on ESPN3

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

43-39 cal

great pass smith to David who doesn’t protect the ball and gets stripped.. they drain 3 other end

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

5-0 run to start

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

If we lost today

We are looking at a potential 1-5 start in the conference season (could be worse).

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

no

we are not winning the pac 12 and it is easily possible for instance if somehow they split the title at 13-5 (which will not happen) that no we would not be in the tournament

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

horrible

lamb miss 3.. simple play.. ucla total fail getting back.. zeke does not play team defense and help in transition and they get a 2-on-1 layin

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

TO off the TO

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

Josh Smith

are you kidding me?

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

10-0 Cal run..

this is embarrassing

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

That's the game.

No way we are coming back now.

by Daniel Fox on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Nope

This team is too dumb and too soft to make a comeback.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

18 seconds in the lane

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

This basketball team has regressed bigtime from the Stanford game..

We’re back to the LMU/MTSU losing Bruins level of suckiness

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

It looks like we didn't really improve all that much

Playing against cup cake teams. We are what we are – a poorly coached, slow, out of shape, low major program.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with you completely..

embarrassing for a Bruin basketball team to be this bad

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Josh Smith

should not start

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

jerime

have his initials been rescinded yet?

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Calm down, dude

We’re all pretty frustrated. Just an honest question from a fellow Bruin

by DodgerBruin on Dec 31, 2011 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Marquess --> "They are struggling to score the basketball on the offensive end"

Can anyone explain how one would go about scoring a basketball on the defensive end?

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

This is a .500 team doing what .500 teams do

I am so over Ben Howland and most of the players he recruited.

by waters96 on Dec 31, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

doubt it

I would bet over .500, but who cares.. not being a tournament team this season is a fail. Even backing in by taking the pac 12 tournament would be a fail

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

end of year

I would be surprised if we finished under .500 with this conference. Under .500 would be an epic fail worthy of a firing even by a boob like Guerrero

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

And I think we’re factoring in the state of the conference when we define our expectations for the team

by Tydides on Dec 31, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is we've become just another generic team

It’s hard to believe that the over/under on this team is about .500.

by waters96 on Dec 31, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

55-43 cal

defense destryed again for dunk

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

55-45

travis nice jump hook .. he is so much smoother than david on those shots right now. Why does he not play more than David?

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:25 PM PST reply actions  

Sweet goign to switch up

Can’t watch this garbage. I am going to keep the tab open in this thread for now. So if you can post the scores once in a while. No biggie.

by Nestor on Dec 31, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

bailed out

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

back to football

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 31, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

cal

is looking almost as strong as middle tennessee

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

67-49 cal

destroyed zone again for dunk.. smart putting gutierrez at top of key to make the pass

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

ouch

guess I’ll stay on football side

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 31, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

How does D Wear have 15 points?

I’m in Haas and I don’t recall seeing a single D Wear make!

by indigo27 on Dec 31, 2011 2:39 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

wears

I think are asked to do what they are not comfortable doing. People want to make players tough bangers that are not. From Keefe to Lane to the Wears. They are more comfortable facing the basket. I wonder how Howland would have screwed up Don MacLean? Hey MacLean get off that baseline and stop shooting 15 footers you never miss and get in the land with your back to the basket. What would Ryan Anderson have done if he came to UCLA not Cal? Is it Howland? Is it the players? I certainly am leaning more and more heavily toward a coach fitting a square peg in a round hole.

Yank Smith.. clear the lane for cutters and movement since we are a 3 guard team now. Allow the Wears to catch and shoot 15 footers from the wing players. And keep Smith benched until he loses every lb he needs to lose or transfers out.

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

As usual,

You are right on.

Fire CBH.

by uclahy on Dec 31, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Howland sucks in the 2nd game of a series usually

It’s bad if we lose on Thursday because it’s not getting any better for Saturday

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

myth

I think that has more to do with the fact you would typically schedule the higher profile and better team for the weekend and get the easier team on thursday. we should have the talent and ability to force teams to prepare for us

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh.. I didn't know they scheduled that way..

Like next week, we get Arizona on Thursday and ASU on Saturday

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not a hard rule

In general you would consider when the better tv ratings possibility is and schedule that way

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

again

if it were true that howland can prepare for thurday and not the weekend game because of time then what does that really say about the general preparation and ability of your basketball teams. There are a few wrinkles you can do in close contests that can make a difference, but to think your team is not prepared and organized enough to play good basketball without specific preparation for a team is a damning indictment at a school that should be excellent every season. That is great for lesser teams, but we should be a dominant program

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe wrong on that

looks like at least the last few years they swap back and forth although last year we lost 2 1st games and 2 2nd games with all 4 losses to the higher RPI team. We lost 1 to USC with that as the only game of the week

2 seasons ago I can’t recount all the losses quickly

3 seasons ago we lost 2 2nd games to higher RPI, 1 2nd game to lower ranked RPI and got swept once

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

so, fire Ben Howland?

this is probably the toughest road tip of the year, but honestly, what’s going to change in the rest of the season

by BruinEngy on Dec 31, 2011 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Let's see what happens the rest of the year..

but it sure doesn’t look good for CBH right now

Go Bruins!

by Bruin1996 on Dec 31, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

77-53 cal

last score update needed I believe

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

predictions

vs. Zona L
vs ASU W
@ USC W but a close one
@OSU L
@ Oregon L
Utah W
Colorado W
@UW L
@ WSU W

by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

I don't understand this team's non-commitment to defense

How does that even fly? I don’t care if you hate your coach; is losing better?

by indigo27 on Dec 31, 2011 2:59 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Where is my paper bag?

Need to poke some eyes out. Or maybe I’ll just suffocate myself and die. Better than being a UCLA fan.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Dec 31, 2011 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Torture Test

It seems like we have fallen into a trap where our expectations keep coming down, and our teams keep plummeting below even those expectations, so we lower our expectations again, ad nauseum (in every sense of nauseum).
We keep having to move the bar as the season regresses (progresses would be too kind a word). We start with top-20 in the country as a given, and sweet 16 as a reasonable goal. Then it turns into win the conference regular season so we can make the tourney. Then it turns into win the conference tourney so we can make the tourney.
I hate what DG has done to the collective fan base. With our heritage, and our recruiting base (LA, So Cal, etc), we should be in a position to have sweet 16 be our downside, not our hope beyond our wildest dreams.
This is just like football, where the apologists say if we just win the next 3, if we just win the next game, etc, then the coach deserves another year.
We are looking at mediocrity for the forseeable future if Howland is allowed to stay on beyond the end of this season. He needs to go.
And DG needs to be shown the door first. Unfortunately, Block has shown complete indifference to our entreaties. I just wish that we could calculate the lost revenue from less than 100% tickets sold, and take it out of Block’s salary. DG would be gone faster than you can say “world class medical center”.
Block has no personal downside with us going in the tank in basketball and football. And apparently DG has no personal downside either. Without that, it is hard to see where the change is going to come from.

by islandbruin on Dec 31, 2011 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

looking ahead

how can we look ahead and even pretend there is some chance of going to the tourney at this point. All I can say is today this season is a fail. I can only consider the next game for this squad to see if they can play better. This is not a tournament team by any stretch of the imagination. Anything short of winning probably the next 17 games would probably leave them on the wrong side of the bubble. Therefore contemplating what games we might be able to win down the road is moot. I think howland needs to develop the real talent he has on the roster right now. Not doing everything you can to get Powell to his highest level possible by the end of this season is a waste of a year for me watching this crap. Unlike others I do think the Wears used properly have hope. That is to say have hope to be better basketball players than Keefe, Lane and Dragovic. I do think Travis is better at this point and would rather seem him in there.

by Penny2i on Dec 31, 2011 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

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