Turning Point: UCLA @ Cal Golden Bears Game Thread
UCLA Bruins at California Golden Bears, Dec 31, 2011 1:00 PM PST
A turning point? In the second game of the Pac-12 season? Well yes, that tends to happen when you limp into this game at 6-6 against Division I competition. Beating BN's predicted winner of the conference on the road is going to be a tough task, but it's also tough trying to dig out of an 0-2 conference hole to win the Pac-12. Without getting into the details of "expectations vs. predictions", let's just say that Ben Howland and his team had better find a way to end this disastrous year for Bruin athletics on a high note, or you'll only see the Hot Seat talk intensify.
All teams have questions surrounding them, but the questions surrounding the Bruins at this late stage are of great concern. Will we handicap our own chances of success by rolling out a 2x Wear Man to Man? Will our point guard play value ball movement and distribution over shot hunting? Will we hold players accountable for taking defensive plays off and failing to block out and secure rebounds? Will this year's Bruins finally grab a NCAA Tournament resume building win, rather than feasting off of cupcakes?
This game is a turning point, and the way we answer the questions above could go a long way in determining whether this team continues to walk the tenuous path to a Tournament berth or goes into a death spiral. We're all about to get some answers soon. Let's close 2011 out the right way.
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Is it televised? I can’t seem to find it on my guide
Yeah that's what I thought
But its not on on Fios. Weird since I have gotten every other game.
by gobruins12345 on Dec 31, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Guess something different with fios today
ill try to find a feed online, go bruins
by gobruins12345 on Dec 31, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
dan bargained with fsn
for a 10 min game delay. that’s something right?
is there no defense in this game at all?
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:12 PM PST reply actions
Smith needs a rest. He's not liking this back and forth back and forht
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions
Smith will probably play 15 minutes today.
Look at this pace. Running back and forth constantly. It’s nice to watch
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions
I'm constantly amazed
At the difference between the Wears chasing offensive rebounds and them not chasing defensive rebounds.
16-13 cal
playing 2 possession I think of zone that resulted in baskets the rest is lousy m2m 13:57 left in half
Crabbe is mostly just a jump shooter
That time at the beginning of the game where he pump faked and took the 2 was like the 2nd time i’ve seen him create his own shot successfully
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone think Gut could play in the NBA?
He seems like a terrific college player but not a pro
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions
Cal is just a really well coached team.
look at the way they pass the ball to get inside. It’s beautiful. They don’t have anyone with JS’s size, they’re playing wi/out Solomon and they’re getting anything they want inside
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions
I was watching the Dallas Mavericks the other day (I really hate that team...) and the passing was flawless
It just looked as if it was to a point where they didn’t think about it. It was habit for them. Beautiful
I'm starting to come to terms with it even though
as soon as I think about it I want to pull my hair out all over again
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Powell at fault. Option 1 is Smith to shoot, option 2 hit the cutter after the double team
by 84 on Dec 31, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
20-17 cal
another turnover agree with marques.. powell made the right cut, but did not look for the pass from smith
I really am disappointed in the Wears.
How land needs to pull him every time he does something like that.
Never seen a more mentally bound player
than Lamb. He gets hot, he gets confident, the hoop get huge. I’m glad that Howland hasn’t totally given up on the kid due to his offensive struggles and par defense to date this season. Watching him and Powell will be fun if they continue to develop together and grow their chemistry.
Completely agree
It takes the pressure off of Lamb to make the plays himself (seeing as Jones is not doing to much to set up our 2s and 3s for open looks). When his positioning goes awry, he has Powell to confidently dump off too, when he gets open or a lane, he calls his own number. Loving it.
by BruinAlum2011 on Dec 31, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand how this Cal team got completely blown out o fthe
building not once but TWICE. they’re just so sound
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:34 PM PST reply actions
Yeah I think its the tall athletic wings they have problems with
They were solid last year too but got blown out by like 20 and then 30 by UW
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
It continues to boggle my mind that a team that was supposed to have the most talented front court
and big men now basically relies on its guards. Right? If they don’t shoot well and make the right plays UCLA doesn’t win. Kind of crazy how that happened.
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:39 PM PST reply actions
Way to draw the foul
We need Jorge to sit down…
We're only the 7th best conference in the country
don’t deserve it
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Where are these fouls coming from?
The refs pulling them out of their arses?
Again - guys do not post football game updates here
There are folks who may be TIVOing that game and watchng this one.
WHY iS WEAR SHOOTING THAT?
DOESN’T MATTER THAT IT WENT IN! HE CAN’T SHOOT IT! GET PULLED NOW
Free throws are part practice and part mental
let’s assume that Howland does have them practice free throws (actually, that’s a very generous assumption, what ARE they practicing, since it’s certainly not defense)
then missed free throws are a mental issue, from being soft
UCLA must be one of the worst teams in the country
in terms of sending opponents to the FT line. ANyone have the numbers for this?
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:45 PM PST reply actions
35-30 cal
the worst offensive player in UCLA history jumphook airball resulted in a lu by gutierrez at the other end.. scrolling back it was anderson’s terrible defense in transition looking for someone else to get back for him that allowed gutierrez behind him.
this is an exciting game
but JS is gonna need a respirator during halftime
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions
no way UCLA making shots
I ’m used to JS sucking so I would say exciting
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
3s
I hope we don’t fall in love with ourselves.. half winding down we are now 5-8 from 3. We can’t really shoot better than that.. 5-6 to start and we are trailing by 2
Lamb with 16 first half points. Killing it. Well done.
More importantly, 75% shooting with his two misses on apparent heat checks
OMG Marqess just roared......... awkward..,...
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions
Down by 1 at half
I guess I can take that for now
Boring Baketball!
UCLA is not even fun to watch anymore!
by Trojanswearskirts on Dec 31, 2011 1:57 PM PST reply actions
I don't know if watching our defense get shredded
and getting bailed out by free throws is fun to watch.
This is one of the most exciting games in awhile.
UCLA is down by 1 to the best team in the PAC 10 at THEIR stadium. It is what, 39-40 or something? That is a REALLY high score for a Howland team. Well, I guess with this D…
Well I would disagree on one of the most exciting games in a while
for ucla sure but NOT around the Pac12
OSU – UW now that was fun
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
He is talking about UCLA basketball not being fun to watch.
I’m just saying that this is one of the most exciting of their games in awhile.
you kidding me? he takes up half the screen
he’s the easiest thing to watch
whether we like it or not.
We have a second half game thread up for football
But … DO NOT POST FOOTBALL SCORES HERE … if you want to discuss the football game, go here.
Thank Goodness I Don't Have Split Screen TV
I am flipping channels when a time out occurs in either the football or basketball game. When I am lucky, there are commercials on both channels at the same time. Ouch.
I so dislike him.
He goes out of his way to favor whoever is playing UCLA, apparently to prove his lack of bias. Nowadays, I switch the sound off when he’s on the broadcast.
by Seth Chandler on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm watching the BB game on cable
and the football game on ESPN3
Go Bruins!
43-39 cal
great pass smith to David who doesn’t protect the ball and gets stripped.. they drain 3 other end
If we win the PAC 12 regular season, do we make the tournament?
Or are we already screwed unless we win the Pac 12 tourney
horrible
lamb miss 3.. simple play.. ucla total fail getting back.. zeke does not play team defense and help in transition and they get a 2-on-1 layin
10-0 Cal run..
this is embarrassing
Go Bruins!
That's the game.
No way we are coming back now.
This team is so listless
So hard to watch. Totally uninterested in doing anything right basketball-wise.
by indigo27 on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
my god they need to get their shit togehter
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions
This basketball team has regressed bigtime from the Stanford game..
We’re back to the LMU/MTSU losing Bruins level of suckiness
Go Bruins!
It looks like we didn't really improve all that much
Playing against cup cake teams. We are what we are – a poorly coached, slow, out of shape, low major program.
Agree with you completely..
embarrassing for a Bruin basketball team to be this bad
Go Bruins!
Calm down, dude
We’re all pretty frustrated. Just an honest question from a fellow Bruin
by DodgerBruin on Dec 31, 2011 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Marquess --> "They are struggling to score the basketball on the offensive end"
Can anyone explain how one would go about scoring a basketball on the defensive end?
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions
The only reason we were hanging in the first half was because of Lamb's 3's
once he cools off, we got NOTHING
This is a .500 team doing what .500 teams do
I am so over Ben Howland and most of the players he recruited.
end of year
I would be surprised if we finished under .500 with this conference. Under .500 would be an epic fail worthy of a firing even by a boob like Guerrero
My point is we've become just another generic team
It’s hard to believe that the over/under on this team is about .500.
I keep flipping back and forth
praying for football to come back
i gave up and am watching the lakers
afflalo and kapono playing
what is the point of starting Josh?
what is Howland’s logic for that
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions
Josh Smith needs to pull a Perkins or Kevin Love
But on a much larger scale. Lose 80 pounds
Wow, UCLA must Have THE best D in the country!
Look at that play!
Football D > Basketball D at the moment
unbelievably
Go Bruins!
55-45
travis nice jump hook .. he is so much smoother than david on those shots right now. Why does he not play more than David?
FB game starting up again.. by the way
Go Bruins!
Sweet goign to switch up
Can’t watch this garbage. I am going to keep the tab open in this thread for now. So if you can post the scores once in a while. No biggie.
so anyone thing UCLA can win the Conf tournament?
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions
they could
but the entire conference will be on the bubble with most teams needing to win it. Highly unlikely even as a home team is the reasonable answer
Cal and maaayyyybe Stanford or Zona getting into the tournament
that’s probably it for the Pac12
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:37 PM PST reply actions
I think Howland should start saying his goodbyes
on these road trips
Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87
How does D Wear have 15 points?
I’m in Haas and I don’t recall seeing a single D Wear make!
by indigo27 on Dec 31, 2011 2:39 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
wears
I think are asked to do what they are not comfortable doing. People want to make players tough bangers that are not. From Keefe to Lane to the Wears. They are more comfortable facing the basket. I wonder how Howland would have screwed up Don MacLean? Hey MacLean get off that baseline and stop shooting 15 footers you never miss and get in the land with your back to the basket. What would Ryan Anderson have done if he came to UCLA not Cal? Is it Howland? Is it the players? I certainly am leaning more and more heavily toward a coach fitting a square peg in a round hole.
Yank Smith.. clear the lane for cutters and movement since we are a 3 guard team now. Allow the Wears to catch and shoot 15 footers from the wing players. And keep Smith benched until he loses every lb he needs to lose or transfers out.
Howland sucks in the 2nd game of a series usually
It’s bad if we lose on Thursday because it’s not getting any better for Saturday
Go Bruins!
myth
I think that has more to do with the fact you would typically schedule the higher profile and better team for the weekend and get the easier team on thursday. we should have the talent and ability to force teams to prepare for us
Oh.. I didn't know they scheduled that way..
Like next week, we get Arizona on Thursday and ASU on Saturday
Go Bruins!
it's not a hard rule
In general you would consider when the better tv ratings possibility is and schedule that way
again
if it were true that howland can prepare for thurday and not the weekend game because of time then what does that really say about the general preparation and ability of your basketball teams. There are a few wrinkles you can do in close contests that can make a difference, but to think your team is not prepared and organized enough to play good basketball without specific preparation for a team is a damning indictment at a school that should be excellent every season. That is great for lesser teams, but we should be a dominant program
maybe wrong on that
looks like at least the last few years they swap back and forth although last year we lost 2 1st games and 2 2nd games with all 4 losses to the higher RPI team. We lost 1 to USC with that as the only game of the week
2 seasons ago I can’t recount all the losses quickly
3 seasons ago we lost 2 2nd games to higher RPI, 1 2nd game to lower ranked RPI and got swept once
so, fire Ben Howland?
this is probably the toughest road tip of the year, but honestly, what’s going to change in the rest of the season
Let's see what happens the rest of the year..
but it sure doesn’t look good for CBH right now
Go Bruins!
predictions
vs. Zona L
vs ASU W
@ USC W but a close one
@OSU L
@ Oregon L
Utah W
Colorado W
@UW L
@ WSU W
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions
Have we ever given up such a high FG% before
Go Bruins!
OK.. makes sense.. same team basically..
except we had RN back then
Go Bruins!
that's why we played that game so that so we could point to it and say
no, (insert game) was our SECOND worse defensive effort
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
needless to say beating Arizona at home would be HUGE
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Dec 31, 2011 2:51 PM PST reply actions
Going to Honda Center to watch the game..
hope they win one for me..
Go Bruins!
If we can't defend our "home" court and beat Arizona and ASU next week..
this season is basically over IMHO
Go Bruins!
I don't understand this team's non-commitment to defense
How does that even fly? I don’t care if you hate your coach; is losing better?
by indigo27 on Dec 31, 2011 2:59 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Where is my paper bag?
Need to poke some eyes out. Or maybe I’ll just suffocate myself and die. Better than being a UCLA fan.
by LavinRuinedCollege on Dec 31, 2011 3:06 PM PST reply actions
Torture Test
It seems like we have fallen into a trap where our expectations keep coming down, and our teams keep plummeting below even those expectations, so we lower our expectations again, ad nauseum (in every sense of nauseum).
We keep having to move the bar as the season regresses (progresses would be too kind a word). We start with top-20 in the country as a given, and sweet 16 as a reasonable goal. Then it turns into win the conference regular season so we can make the tourney. Then it turns into win the conference tourney so we can make the tourney.
I hate what DG has done to the collective fan base. With our heritage, and our recruiting base (LA, So Cal, etc), we should be in a position to have sweet 16 be our downside, not our hope beyond our wildest dreams.
This is just like football, where the apologists say if we just win the next 3, if we just win the next game, etc, then the coach deserves another year.
We are looking at mediocrity for the forseeable future if Howland is allowed to stay on beyond the end of this season. He needs to go.
And DG needs to be shown the door first. Unfortunately, Block has shown complete indifference to our entreaties. I just wish that we could calculate the lost revenue from less than 100% tickets sold, and take it out of Block’s salary. DG would be gone faster than you can say “world class medical center”.
Block has no personal downside with us going in the tank in basketball and football. And apparently DG has no personal downside either. Without that, it is hard to see where the change is going to come from.
looking ahead
how can we look ahead and even pretend there is some chance of going to the tourney at this point. All I can say is today this season is a fail. I can only consider the next game for this squad to see if they can play better. This is not a tournament team by any stretch of the imagination. Anything short of winning probably the next 17 games would probably leave them on the wrong side of the bubble. Therefore contemplating what games we might be able to win down the road is moot. I think howland needs to develop the real talent he has on the roster right now. Not doing everything you can to get Powell to his highest level possible by the end of this season is a waste of a year for me watching this crap. Unlike others I do think the Wears used properly have hope. That is to say have hope to be better basketball players than Keefe, Lane and Dragovic. I do think Travis is better at this point and would rather seem him in there.

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