Bruins Overwhelmingly Objecting to Sumlin, North Carolina AD Putting Chianti Dan to Shame
Let's pick up where B left from this morning's Bruin Bite thread on Chianti Dan being a total fail. We have been running a poll today asking whether members of the Bruin community will buy or renew UCLA football season tickets or anything associated with UCLA if Chianti Dan hires Kevin Sumlin. We have over 500 votes in already in less than 3 hours and the overwhelming majority of this community is voting down Sumlin.
Right now over 70 percent of BruinsNation - which is overwhelmingly made up of UCLA alums spanning decades - are speaking up against Chianti Dan's quest to woo Sumlin. If folks have not been paying any attention let's recap again the major reasons we have no interest in seeing Sumlin as the next UCLA head coach:
- Sumlin didn't build the Houston program: Sumlin is not much more than the "flavor" of this college football season. While he is riding the hype around Case Keenum and Houston's "run" in Conference USA before choking in the Finals, it was Art Briles who built that program. You can see the record breakdown to get a sense of how it was Briles (current head coach of Baylor) who actually rebuilt the Houston program (and also brought in Keenum). Sumlin's coordinator experience is not all that impressive.
- Questionable experience as a "co-offensive coordinator": Sumlin's backers like to play up his experience as a Sooners "co-offensive coordinator/wide receivers coach (2006-07). That shouldn't mean much here on BN given previously ineffective UCLA OC and Dorrell assistant such as Jay Norvell - aka "Training Jay" has held the same position in the Sooner program.
- Troubling feedback from Sooner fans on Sumlin's recruiting track record: Sumlin's recruiting track record at a BCS program is not all that steller. As noted before as a Sooner coordinator Sumlin did not do all that great of job when it comes to scouting talent. Read this piece from ESPN on OSU stars, who could have been Sooners. Instead of offering studs such as Justin Blackmon, Sumlin offered scholarships to Dejuan Miller, Josh Jarboe, and Jameel Owens. Owens transferred early on, Jarboe was kicked off for being a complete screw up, and Miller has never really had a big impact. Of course not going for Weeden wasn't a big deal for the Sooners as they have been well stocked at QB over the years, but they could have certainly used Blackmon in 2009, paired up with star receiver Ryan Broyles. So the Sooner alums we know are not all that crazy about Sumlin either.
- Big losses in big games as a head coach: I am sure most Bruin fans saw the way Sumlin's Houston team got blown up by a well coached Southern Mississippi team on its own home field yesterday. It wasn't close and it was not the first time Sumlin's team has lost a conference championship game. Sumlin's team has laid egg both times it has had opportunities to win a conference championship. Yesterday's Houston performance was so putrid that even Texas A&M is now having second thoughts about wooing Sumlin.
BTW it is not a coincidence that Texas A&M is the only other program besides Chianti Dan that initially put a full court press on Sumlin. A&M along with UCLA is one of the most mismanaged college football program in FBS - especially given the way it has flailed around since the departure of R.C. Slocum.
There is an also serious talk about major UCLA boosters boycotting the program if Chianti Dan is foolish enough to hire Sumlin. So this whole pursuit of Sumlin is an epic fail from all angles and it is just one more example of how Guerrero has no clue or instincts when it comes to understanding college football.
Speaking of Guerrero's lack of instincts and understanding of college football, we have another damning story to share after the jump.
If folks remember from yesterday's coaching hot stove thread we discussed how pursuing a top tier coach involves lot more than throwing a suitcase full of cash at him. We discussed how a strategic pursuit of a top shelf candidate involves building relationships for weeks (if not months) and making sure a strong relationship is built so the recruiter can have the candidate thoroughly vetted anticipating any and all hold ups. Well it's now becoming clear that Chianti Dan didn't do any of that and his effort looks that much more pathetic when you compare to UNC Athletic Director's pursuit of Petersen. From FoxSportsCarolinas.com:
From a football perspective, Petersen could get jobs perhaps more national in scope, but the caveat at Chapel Hill is that he and Cunningham [North Carolina athletic director Lawrence "Bubba" Cunningham, BN Ed.] developed a strong relationship when Cunningham boldly tried to lure Petersen from Boise to Tulsa a few years ago. In declining, he told Cunningham to give him a call when he got to a BCS school.
Well, Cunningham is at a BCS school, one for years regarded as a "sleeping giant" by many respected minds in the sport, and this might be the right time for the Petersens to leave Boise. [...]
He's also a football guy. Cunningham's time at Notre Dame helped him understand the balance between having big-time football and running a program the right way.
Cunningham hired Brady Hoke at Ball State, and all Hoke did was take the long-struggling Cardinals to the MAC championship and a national ranking. Hoke is currently in his first year at Michigan, and has the Wolverines 6-0 and ranked 11th.
At Tulsa, Cunningham hired Todd Graham, who is currently in his first year at Pittsburgh. The Panthers are struggling, but Graham inherited a messy situation. Graham went 36-17 at Tulsa, winning 10 or more games three times. He was 3-0 in bowl games.
As coaches often spend time in offseasons learning from peers, Petersen spent four days with Graham in 2008, and they quickly developed a friendship, further solidifying the ties between Cunningham and Petersen.
Hmm. Compare how Cunningham has gone about methodically building a relationship with Petersen after making a bold pitch to get him to come out to Tulsa from Boise to what Guerrero has done since he pathetically went after him in 2007. While Cunningham was out there solidifying their relationship based on initial contract, Guerrero has been out there burnishing his NCAA bureaucratic credentials and sending around ridiculous "blog" to the UCLA community, insulting all of out intelligence.
It is shameful the way Guerrero has bungled it. It is also shameful the way he sat on his rear end when he could have had a methodical search plan in place even before the season started and the formally launch it the day after Arizona.
What is even more telling is the way Guerrero is just wildly and pathetically flailing away at Sumilin with no indication of having a contingency plan after putting all his eggs in the Petersen basket. If he did he'd consider coaches like James Franklin from Vanderbilt (does Guerrero even know that Red Sanders also came from Vanderbilt?), or Charlie Strong from Louisville or even Dan Mullen. Guerrero is now going after Golden even after Golden signed a contract extension. In that case why is he not considering Strong from Louisville who also signed a K extension during mid-season?
Guerrero cannot provide any satisfactory answers because his actions indicate the efforts of a visionless, weak and passive bureaucrat who is neither a fan of this game, nor has any understanding of the modern college football landscape. At this point it is a huge disservice on the part of Chancellor Block to let this fool to continue to conduct a joke of a search process. No one here has any confidence left in this man and if he ends up hiring someone like Sumlin, it will be imperative upon all UCLA alums not just to cut off all our financial support for the athletic program, but to the entire school.
GO BRUINS.
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I liked Fedora (the Southern Miss coach), too...
He completely outcoached Sumlin in the C-USA Championship Game.
Franklin, Fedora, and Mullen should definitely get a look.
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by firstto100 on Dec 4, 2011 12:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Fedora is a good pick as well
There are plenty of good coaches out there. It’s just that Chianti Dan has no idea who they are …or how to pursue them.
Incredibly disappointed with how this coaching search is going...
How do we go from thinking about Meyer, Petersen, and Leach to Sumlin? Total mismanagement and epic fail by Guerrero, Block, and the clowns at the Morgan Center. I hope our donors like Wasserman apply the pressure.
by bruindodger on Dec 4, 2011 12:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We go from big hires to Sumlin
by going from the discussions about who would actually be a proven, top tier candidate to jumping into the mind (questionable, I know) of our “AD.”
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Devil's advocate
There’s no evidence that anyone in Morgan Center was ever thinking about Meyer or Leach, as much as we wanted them to. Which points to the bigger problem we face.
by Westwood Wizard on Dec 4, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Remember guys: HE WAS A BASEBALL PLAYER.
Look at That coach and team. QED.
Question for Nestor
You have said, and I believe more than once, that if Chianti Dan goes after this guy from Houston (and I’m so impressed with him that I already forgot his name) that BN would turn up the heat to super nova level to get him fired. My question is why wait? Why not turn up the heat now? Our idiot athletic director is not going to get any better. He’s lost out on Leach. He’s apparently lost out on Petersen. He’s even lost out on the guy no one but him wants, this guy from Houston. I would be all for going after him tooth and nail now.
I thought you had some plan you were waiting to spring -- something specific.
I agree that the heat is turned on. I looked at the facebook thing, and one of the guys there is asking for people to do something more than just type. He want to meet with 500 or so of his closest friends at Morgan Center. More power to him.
FOCUS ON FIRING CHIANTI DAN...
We can not afford to allow Chianti Dan to further damage this program and university. He has been a complete and utter failure. Other athletic directors and pro sports executives laugh at what he has done to U.C.L.A. and can’t believe that he is still employeed.
Even if it sets us back another 4-6 weeks in the football coach hiring process, especially with this latest bungling, it is time to push for the firing of Flounder Guerrero. He should not be trusted to hire a 3rd football coach. HE CAN NOT BE TRUSTED TO HIRE A 3RD FB COACH.
Hire competant leadership and let them pursue a new fb coach and, more than likely, a new basketball coach.
Time to show Flounder the door… He has been a larger failure than Dorrell or Neu.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 4, 2011 1:10 PM PST reply actions
Problem is, it's too late -- our next coach is already in his hands
And that’s enough to destroy UCLA football for ten years, with fan interest at an all-time low already. After firing Dan, it will still be four years before the next guy can make a hire.
We need him fired this week...
We need to swamp Block’s phone starting Monday morning.
He can not be allowed to hire a 3rd coach… We need to stop the process completely.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 4, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
This search has literally made me sick to my stomach
I’ve been puking for days, with no objective source for it, ever since Petersen became “unlikely.” All this time we were lead to believe that with major changes in approach UCLA had the interest of “big names.” If DG hires Sumlin, who comes in as the 9th best coach at best in the conference, I will probably lose my interest in UCLA football forever. Neither I nor many of us long-suffering fans can take another 5 years of hopelessness. The thought really horrifies me, because UCLA sports has been one of the few sources of potential escapist joy.
If we go through with this Sumlin hire, or a similarly asinine choice, I honestly don’t know how I’d react when I run into Guerrero again. I might curse him out like a loon; I might puke on him (without being able to help it). The fact that he let Leach go to WSU is something I will never be able to live down as a fan — unless a great coach is hired now.
There are no obvious great coaches left. Our only choice now is the most promising up-and-comer, and in that vein I think Mullen fits the bill. He has real coordinator experience, winning BCS bowls everywhere from Utah to Florida, and real overachievement at SEC dreg of MSU. Major letdown when we could’ve had Leach, but enough promise and proficiency to give hope. Also note that he hired Manny Diaz out of Middle Tennessee St.
But I can’t even bother fixing on potential candidates when this moron is out there begging Sumlin to take the job.
Make no mistake about it...
with the new TV Money payday and the full revenue sharing, the Pac-12 will become a coaching destination since there is the money to pay the big salaries.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 4, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I don’t know if I have any hope left. There are 1000 maybes but no faith. This search, well, appears pathetic. Something is wrong when you offer someone to become the highest or second highest paid coach in the Pac-12, and he says no. I don’t get it anymore.
WSU jumping on Leach seems like the best decision that has ever made. While here we are, bunkering down for 2-3 month coaching search.
UNC's method is actually fascinating
In an industry like this, a longer-term development of contacts, relationships and planning allows for this sort of flexibility. Many corporations have business development units that don’t result in short-term sales, but develop relationships for long term ones.
This seems to be a case where UNC’s “business development” might pay off. That being said, the ACC looks to be significantly weaker football-wise than the Pac-12, and that’s a good sale to CP as well. Actually, I guess I’m saying if he leaves for somewhere, it doesn’t appear to be for us. Sigh. Oh well, let’s go chase whomever else the media is pumping this week… I’m sure they have our best interests in mind.
I wouldn't trust Guerrero to manage my yard's maintanance...
let alone anything revenue generating.
Guerrero is an dope that is in over his head… in his 10 years at U.C.L.A., just about everything he has touched as turned to sh*t. The odds on that are astronomical.
And UNC’s method isn’t fascinating… it is what competent leadership does in all industries. You know leadership that is getting $700k compensation packages like Flounder.
by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 4, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Cunningham has a good reputation and has a track record of making good hires. I tend to think UNC is in good hands. But I think it is a massive, massive stretch to laud his “relationship-building” with Chris Petersen off of one phone call in which, presumably after he stopped laughing, Petersen told him to call back when he had a job worth wasting Petersen’s time about. I also don’t know how Cunningham is credited with relationship-building simply because Petersen spent some time with someone else for a few days (coaches visiting coaches for these little offseason seminars is very common, and I’ll bet Graham had quite a few visitors during his time in Tulsa thanks to the offense they were running under Gus Malzahn and Chad Morris – it doesn’t mean that Bubba Cunningham now has great relationships with every coach that stopped by).
That article on Fox News Carolinas has the feel of a writer going with the old “I want this to happen, therefore I’m going to convince myself it could happen.” I’m guessing that since that article was written in October and Petersen hasn’t been announced in Chapel Hill (nor has the other candidate mentioned by the writer: Urban Meyer), that the one phone call some years ago didn’t work out.
moral of the story is
we need to hire Cunningham to be our next AD. That’s quite a track record he has of bringing in up-and-comers.
Dan G
is so far over his head; with all of his access to information, the program, and how our lack of success if affecting our football program (and indeed, the entire athletic department), how is he even considering taking another chance on Sumlin?
He’s basically being worked over by other AD’s across the country with vacant positions and moving defensively to lock someone up. This is beyond pathetic.
Great news
Just filed to ESPNLA.com: Houston coach Kevin Sumlin is no longer considered a candidate for UCLA football job.
by MBRUIN on Dec 4, 2011 2:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just filed to ESPNLA.com: Houston coach Kevin Sumlin is no longer considered a candidate for UCLA football job.
by Westwood Wizard on Dec 4, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good. Now let's move on Mullen, while seeing if any major guy
Would be willing to switch scenes for 4mil.
Boy, I am tired of waiting to be a first tier progam:
From a national music blog,, talking about Petersen coming to UCLA:
I’d be hesitant to hire a former Boise State coach to head up an also ran AQ/BCS conference team. Dan Hawkins and Dirk Koetter didn’t do crap when they were hired by second and third tier teams on a similar level as UCLA. I think Petersen would do well if he landed a job on par with Urban Meyer or Brady Hoke after their stints with Mid-Majors, but I wouldn’t leave Boise for a job like Texas A&M, Kansas, Ole Miss or UCLA.
No more Sumlin!
Just posted a fanshot, but I saw this on twitter…
Just filed to ESPNLA.com: Houston coach Kevin Sumlin is no longer considered a candidate for UCLA football job.
UGH
While I agree they are the two best teams. The first time around was a boring game. Don’t expect this one to be much better.
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi
Kind of unfair to LSU when you think about it
who has to beat Alabama twice, whereas the Tide need only a split.
I won't watch the SEC jerk fest.
Travishamockery.
All other conferences should pull out of the B(S)CS and let the SEC play in it every year. The rest can have their own championship game.
Just a thought,
but wouldn’t it be slightly more sensible to offer these big bucks to a qualified candidate who actually wanted to come to UCLA? Do we have to go begging? I know people who have actually submitted resumes for jobs they wanted, making a case for being employed by the organization they wanted to work for. Guerrero is now being revealed as a hopeless boob, and he is bringing discredit on UCLA in the process. As for Sumlin, why would anybody have thought he was a viable candidate? This is horrifying. Still, I think that we may end up with a decent coach through sheer bumbling, and, because, when you think about it, this is a good job that is being offered. I think that may sink in to the minds of some of the remaining young, ambitious, and capable coaches and star coodinators. Take a breath, Dan, and put up a sign that says “Top Coach Wanted” (at famous university in major BCS market).
cute story foxsportscarolinas...
but why would petersen leave bsu which got hit with minor ncaa sanctions for unc which is set to get a beatdown from the ncaa? doubt petersen wants anything to do with pay-for-play clean up duty.
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