Bruin Bites: We Still Don't Have a Head Coach Edition
by Bellerophon on Dec 7, 2011 3:00 PM PST
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PrintYeah, so Rick has been out 10 days and Chianti Dan has managed to completely flounder with a coaching search that has been a total joke. Of course, for those who have been following Chianti Dan's every-increasing tone-deaf stupidity, it is hardly asurprised that our coaching search feels sloppy and half-ass. The fact that the chianti-sippin', tone-deaf bureaucrat in charge has already been rejected by a handful of coaching candidate (Petersen, Sumlin, and Golden) is just funny in a morbid, sad kind of way.
So while Chianti Dan has been busy chasing down lame NFL rejects (Jim Mora) or retreads (Bellotti, June Jones), realistic and promising coaching candidates like Larry Fedora at Southern Miss (who spanked former Chianti favorite Kevin Sumlin last weekend) are being snapped up by programs run by competent athletic directors who actually know how to conduct a coaching search. Never mind that dynamic coaches who would have been solid hires (certainly better than uninspiring "candidates" like Mora, Bellotti, and Jones), like say Mike Leach, Rich Rodriguez, or Hugh Freeze are already off the board because Chianti Dan was too busy planning wine-tasting trips in Tuscany rather than, you know, doing the job he is paid $600K for.
And of course, let's not forget that Chianti Dan forced Rick Neuheisel, a true Bruin who loves everything about UCLA, to try to do his job on the cheap, forcing coordinators on him, and then hampering his ability to bring in replacements with an Ebenezer Scrooge budget and piss-poor facilities. Oh, but now he's willing to hire some NFL reject for a multi-million dollar salary, let him spare no expense for assistants, and promise him improved facilities. So, Chianti Dan is willing to go the extra mile for a NFL reject, but screwed over a true Bruin who bleeds blue-and-gold. Seriously, f**k this guy.
Anyway, in this past Sunday's edition of Bruin Bites, I wrote:
But knowing Chianti Dan's bumbling stupidity, we'll end up with some retread failure like Herm Edwards, a guy who the closest he's been to a football field the last few years has been Coors Light commercials.
Wow. I didn't know how close I'd come: sure, it's not Herm Edwards, but another NFL reject: Jim Mora.
On the plus side, Chianti Dan's bumbling stupidity makes this one last thought easy (since it's the same as last edition): if Chianti Dan hires Jim Mora, especially with other more viable candidates in play (Dantonio, Mullen, Pellini, Hudspeth Manny Diaz, etc.), we will call for nothing short of a scorched earth full-on war against Chianti Dan and will not stop until he is fired.
So, before we get to the Bruin Bites for this Wednesday afternoon, don't forget to sign up at the Fire Dan Guerrero Facebook group. With that, let's take a look at the bits and pieces of news from around the UCLA-iverse after the jump.
- Let's start with football news. As mentioned in Sunday's Bruin Bites, Brett Hundley is committed to staying at UCLA, noting that he committed to the university, is sad that Neuheisel is gone, but understands that it happens. Unfortunately, talented but never used freshman WR Devin Lucien doesn't feel the same way. Unlike Hundley, who is solid with staying, Lucien, who has indicated he wants to stay in Westwood, is adopting a wait-and-see approach, seeing who UCLA brings in to replace Neuheisel. Just another reason that UCLA needs to make a solid coach rather than a NFL reject or retread who will do nothing to inspire confidence into the players or fanbase.
- Sticking with football, the Los Angeles Times has a story that builds on Hundley's status with UCLA: the commitment of Paul Perkins of Chandler High School, a former high school teammate of Hundley. Perkins' comments, committing to UCLA because of Hundley and noting that he is in it for UCLA, not necessarily for a specific coach, is a pretty good reassurance that Brett isn't going anywhere soon. Let's just hope we can give him a coach who will know how to use the talented soon-to-be redshirt freshman QB.
- Turning to non-football news, the New York Post had a piece in memory of UCLA great Walt Hazzard, talking about his road to UCLA and the legacy he left behind.
- Finally, following up on this Monday's non-revenue round-up, Golf Digest talks about the unusual position the LPGA put UCLA senior Stephanie Kono in and how, despite losing the All-American senior leader of her national title winning squad, UCLA women's golf coach Carrie Forsyth has been supportive of Kono as she accepts her place on the LPGA Tour, forgoing the balance of her senior year at UCLA, negatively impacting the Bruins' shot at repeating this upcoming year. Interesting read by Golf Digest and good piece on how the LPGA ended up short-changing the Bruins (but of course, Chianti Dan is nowhere to be found when one of our teams gets the short-end of the stick).
Alright folks, that is your Bruin Bites round-up for the middle of this week. We're going to keep it short and sweet as we anticipate another hectic few days as we keep eyes on the ongoing joke/debacle/disaster that is Chianti Dan's third football head coaching search in his less-than-a-decade tenure. Ten years, and he's on his third football coach.
Seriously, can someone tell me why UCLA is paying this buffoon over $600K per year?!
Fire away with your thoughts, comments, additions, etc. in the thread.
GO BRUINS
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What a messs
Just unbelievably crazy that Dan wouldn’t have any idea that Petersen!, golden et al would not have any interest. Every decent manager i know has a couple of names in a drawer in case something happens to a key employee… Sounds like Dan is calling based on what he reads on espn.com
That's implying he knows what ESPN is
I’m suspect he’s calling based on what Terry Donahue tells him
Dump Dan!
by bruinclassof10 on Dec 7, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
As Leach builds a winner in pullman
we will always be reminded that Leach wanted to be a Bruin. DG is a tool!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.
Rumor Mill
Petros Poppazitus just quoted an “unnamed source” that Chianti and Tressel did in fact meet Monday
I hate to say this
but while Tressel isn’t ideal and lied on an NCAA compliance form, he is a heck of a football coach and would strike fear in our opponents. The spin to defend this would be pretty huge, though. I’m not for it because of the violation, but this guy can coach. He just plain won at Ohio State and would have Southern California as his recruiting ground. It’s a tough call, but I’d ultimately be against it. How do you convince players to play for a guy who lied on an NCAA form?
How do we pass on Leach, but go for Tressel? Fedora would have been better too.
by bruin95 on Dec 7, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Take heart, Bruins fans.
There is one school more dysfunctional than us.
“We had accepted the deal,” the source said. “I’ve never seen anything like this.”
allegedly pulled
because ASU fans came out against him?
Another reason to take heart.
and yet
Some UCLA fans actually want this guy.
by Nestor on Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It is truly pathetic how low our standards have fallen
Jones gets bumped off by ASU fans and alums.
Yet some of our fans want to grab him before he “gets away”. And, if he does, Tressel?
If nothing else, this shows a total lack of confidence in our AD. It’s so bad that people will take any warm body for fear he’ll bring back a cadaver from New York.
Or, maybe a blow up doll.
Or, the goat — who I’ve been told is very attractive.
This search is making me mean.
sjh
Do I WANT this guy as coach? No.
That being said, If we can give him the $$ to get a solid DC, I think we could certainly do worse.
According to SbB
Jones’ 2mil buyout was not yet agreed to. His agent oversold it to both parties.
This is weird.
The headline says “We Still Don’t Have a Head Coach,” and instead of being upset or angry or anything like that, I’m relieved. I guess this means that I have absolute confidence in our athletic director to hire a horribly unacceptable coach, so as long as we’re coachless, it’s good.
Thanks, Dan. That’s the confidence you inspire. At least for me.
You didn't want Hugh Freeze
He was cheap & saw the Ole Miss job as his dream job. That’s why he got it. He was also a “good old boy”-he’d served as an assistant coach & an administrator at Ole Miss. I don’t think Dantonio is a real option-he’s not leaving Michigan State. Not that I’ve seen that he is a candidate, but what would you think of Troy Calhoun at Air Force? He’s interviewed for the A&M job, & he’s taken AF to 5 straight bowl games. He also has NFL coordinator experience. Might be an interesting option.
Calhoun has been mentioned here, and largely liked.
But, there are still some big fish out there that we should probably try to get first.
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi
"Seriously, f**k this guy."
Best line ever.
by BruinBabe4ever on Dec 7, 2011 3:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with the caption on the picture
we are making a change, at great cost to a great Bruin, to better our program.
And, now we are chasing lesser candidates, throwing more money at them, giving them better facilities and more money for assistants, and not forcing assistants on them.
WTF?
sjh
Tressel
Here’s my guess on the situation. We have not heard any news about Mora or other candidates being offered. Chianti is going to NYC and not contacting any other candidates. Chianti is “possibly” waiting on the NCAA to pass down sanctions on Tressel. If it is not severe and does not affect UCLA, Tressel will be hired. If it is severe and Tressel is suspended from coaching, then it is back to square one. I feel that it is a big risk placing all your eggs in one basket just like the Peterson debacle. However, since Chianti is one of the big brass in the NCAA, he might know the results ahead of time and is sure this is a good hire. He might make this work. Everyone makes mistakes and should be given a second chance with strigent monitoring. Go Bruins
The only problem with Tressel is that he could be facing possible penalties
by luciuswolfey_96 on Dec 7, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
…an NCAA member school is allowed to hire a coach with a show-cause order outstanding. However, a show-cause amounts to an official finding that a coach is a serious offender. Also, as mentioned above, any school that hires a coach with a show-cause order in effect can be penalized merely for doing so. Consequently, most schools will not even consider hiring a coach with a show-cause penalty in effect. For this reason, a show-cause penalty usually has the effect of blackballing a coach from the collegiate ranks for the duration of the penalty. Many coaches who are given such a penalty never coach again, even after the expiration of the penalty. The penalty is intended to follow a coach for violations that he had a role in committing.
by Tydides on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he hasn't been sanctioned yet though
the NCAA has yet to rule…most expect him to get show-cause, but if he doesn’t then UCLA would not be punished in any way if we happened to hire him.
Not advocating Tressel, just laying the facts out.
by bucknellbruin on Dec 7, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
oh i agree, don't get me wrong
I’m just pointing out that it’s possible hiring Tressel doesn’t come with actual NCAA sanctions (which some were suggesting would definitely happen)
by bucknellbruin on Dec 7, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Tressel is not an acceptable candidate given what he did
But out of my own curiosity, what I didn’t see is what happens if you hire a guy who is subsequently slapped with a show-cause penalty. All of the references are to what happens if a school hires a coach with an existing penalty.
If hiring this guy is tantamount to strict liability against us . . .
then, of course, there would be no interest. If that turns out not to be the case due to an NCAA ruling in his favor, we have to get him. Chianti Dan sucks at a lot of things, but he (SHOCKINGLY) has a lot of pull among his NCAA cronies.
quit spamming us with Tressel propaganda
I’m getting tired of it.
Dream of sanctions?
Let it go, he may be toxic.
Have we fallen so far that the best we can dream about is Jones, Tressel, Mora?
Those are not dream candidates. They are nightmares.
sjh
+1
Tressel…you have got to be kidding. He is more damaged than Cheatey Petey.
They guy knowingly lied when filling out compliance forms that go to the NCAA.
We want to be aggressive ( I know too late for that), but lets not completetly throw out any standards.
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Dec 7, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Totally Agree!
If Dan G. goes for Tressel than I think Block has additional grounds to fire him.
If we're dreaming I'll take Sean Payton.
Hail to the Hills of Westwood.
2nd Chance
At risk of being attacked, ignored, banned, whatever….
Tressel is a good coach that I believe has to be considered with Mullen and the rest.
Please remember that Neuheisel also came in with some baggage.
I am not a troll. I just believe that a complete RADICAL change is needed.
Would he put people in the seats?
YES
Would he dare do any additional violations with himself already being under the NCAA sanctions magnifying glass?
NO
Is he good at College Football (Strategy, Recruiting, etc.)
YES
I understand and agree that there are BETTER and more LESS CONTROVERSIAL managers out there.
However, I cannot strike him from my list.
by NorCalBruin on Dec 7, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Google "show cause."
It’s a non-starter.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I understand what everyone is saying....
and you guys are all accurate. I’m not denying that he hasn’t cheated. However, I’m willing to give this guy a 2nd chance if Plans A-ZZ have been taken off the board. Personally, I’d take him over Mora. He knows he has a point to prove to everyone.
He has a chip on his shoulder.
His violations did NOT bring him a national championship. His talents did.
No way
I’d rather have RN back over Tressel.
I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...
http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com
by johnvely on Dec 7, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WWCD?
What would Coach do? I’d rather have a team and coach that bust their tails, give everything they have, play by the rules, and get to the Who Cares Bowl instead of a team and/or coach that cheats their way to the BCS.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
by KSBruin on Dec 7, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tressel was already given a 2nd chance by Ohio State...
After cheating in his program at Youngstown State. He failed it.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Dec 7, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I remember correctly ...
DG values his relationship with the NCAA highly and seems interested in holding some sort of NCAA leadership position in the future. In other words, he’s “corporate” and doesn’t want to do anything that the people he’s trying to appease/impress would look down upon. That’s why he didn’t give Leach the time of day and won’t do the same with Tressel. No supposed intel here, just my own speculation.
Mora
If this guy, who has failed miserably in the NFL , is hired, then UCLA can kiss goodbye to some season ticket holders for 10 years. We are in a group of 20 season ticket holders that will not be renewing. The Rose Bowl will be 3/4 full if Guerrero dares make this hire. Mora (moron) has the personality of Karl Dorrell.
I don't get the emptiness of the Rose Bowl
I went to every home game this year — it seemed 8.8/10 full every game. Granted, I was in the student section, but the sections across the field were full. Am I missing something?
I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...
http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com
It has been shown that humans are notoriously bad at things like crowd estimation
SJSU: 42,000
Texas: 54,500
UW: 64,000
Cal: 55,500
ASU: 65,500
CU: 57,000
Capacity: 91,000
by Tydides on Dec 7, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uw?
they didn’t play UCLA this year
"A legend is an old man with a cane known for what he used to do. I'm still doing it." Miles Davis
The press box side that you were facing.
Was pretty full. The student section side was semi-empty. But the old people side (press box) had absolutely NO impact on the game. I was at a game, I was the only one standing in my section, and someone behind me was reading during the game. I mean come on! reading! And the endzones were completely empty.
Be sure and tell the Chancellor and the Athletic Dept this
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
re: Petros Poppazitus quoted an "unnamed source"
why would we ever care what a trogan has to say?
Petros Poppazitus is OK, BUT (big but)
I turn the channel dial when he starts to sing. It seems that Petros checks out the Bruin Nation website occasionally based on his comments.
Philosophy question: Is the glass 3/4 empty or 3/4 full?
We can definitely get some insight on your level of optimism. Or perceptions of cups.
I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...
http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com
Terrible state of affairs
Jones gets bumped off by ASU fans and alums.
Yet some of our fans want to grab him before he “gets away”. And, if he does, Tressel?
If nothing else, this shows a total lack of confidence in our AD. It’s so bad that people will take any warm body for fear he’ll bring back a cadaver from New York.
Or, maybe a blow up doll.
Or, the goat — who I’ve been told is very attractive.
This search is making me mean.
sjh
If the ASU fans were able to bump Jones
then I suspect UCLA fans will exercise the same sort of veto power against someone like Mora getting hired.
Well I'm assuming ASU's AD is fully focused on finding a head coach
And input from the fans is viewed as valuable. Our AD is probably taking in a Broadway show right now.
Their President sent out an e-mail re: the search
and he probably watches sports. Gene/Dan are like the Frank/Jamie McCourts of NCAA football.
Dump Dan!
by bruinclassof10 on Dec 7, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think I'll be watching WS Cougars next season...
…crying into my beer, thinking we should move heaven and earth to get Leach
"Players with fight never lose a game, they just run out of time"
~ John Wooden
I'll be doing about the same
Dump Dan!
by bruinclassof10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Jim Tressel
DG is a master politician. He wants to be in a powerful position with the NCAA. If he does in fact hire Tressel it will be because he has determined that JT will not be punished by the NCAA. What I know about JT is that he “fell on his sword” for the OSU program and became the scapegoat. OSU is a football factory and the players are fawned over by the alumni. They get good deals on cars, some more money for meals (which by the way all athletes have been asking for) and he protected his players and told the NCAA he knew nothing.
His “crime” was being a players coach which all successful coaches since Rockne have done. He is an honorable man who has payed a big price. He deserves another chance if the NCAA doesn’t “sit him down”. Hayes, Bryant and others have all done the same thing. If he’s hired then we need to get rid of DG. He cares only about himself.
He's been wanting a powerful position within the NCAA for a while now IIRC
Can they please just take him away already? I’m sure we can pony up enough money for a one-way ticket. Maybe the NCAA can smell incompetence too (imagine that!)
Dump Dan!
by bruinclassof10 on Dec 7, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tressel is the best coach available
If we can get him, we do it. It changes the football landscape immediately. Guy wins everywhere. The guy will be on a short leash, and he should be, we only are hypocites if we allow him to run a dirty program. Different landscape and environment here. Go with the best guy possible
by uclaron1 on Dec 7, 2011 5:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The best guy
A cheater shouldn’t be seen as the “best guy.” If you think a sleazebag, cheater is “the best guy” we have different standards for UCLA. Moreover, this is just BS rumor that hasn’t been confirmed by anyone reputable yet.
by Nestor on Dec 7, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's only been a HC at Youngstown and OSU
and Youngstown is Div -1AA…so guy wins everywhere isnt a very impressive statement.
But the overarching point is that he is a cheater…big time, and we dont need to win that bad.
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
4 National Championships at Youngstown and 1 at Ohio State
The Program at Ohio State is different than here. You bring him in and keep him clean. You don’t have booster roaming the campus at UCLA. You barely can get a students to get to a game. Different environment. He can win. You just make sure he runs clean. Tight Compliance and move forward. Every top coach/program in America has skeletons, you are dreaming if you think otherwise
no proven cheaters
we aren’t hypocrites here and some of us still believe in Coach.
Have the utmost concern for what’s right rather than who’s right.
Chris Petersen - Boise State football on 3 years Probation
No one was complaining about hiring Cheater Petersen. His program is on 3 years probation.
It is about institutional control. Ohio State ran a muck just as USC did. The Coach is a part of it, but most often it is the turning of a blind eye. But Boise, the School, handled it properly.
Other Notables on Probation
Les Miles – On Probation – Lost Scholarships
Mike Leach
My point is that the institution matters. How you hold the coach accountable. Ohio State ran a muck. We do not have to follow suit. And I would gladly take Tressel, Miles, Petersen, or leach
look up show cause
then go to the Tressel thread and hang out there.
There is no comparsion between what BSU did ...
… and what transpired at OSU. You clearly are not well versed on the issues. Tressel willfully hid information from investigators and then lied to everyone involved. Moreover, he is the kind of person who essentially blackmailed his players to returining for extra year in exchange for not suspending them. This guy is a sleazebag and he has been a sleazebag every step of the way.
At BSU the football program was penalized because of infractions concerning the tennis team. There is a reason why “show cause” clause is at play wrt to Tressel.
He is not coming here. But if you are going to lay out red carpet and entertain this fantasy you should know the facts.
by Nestor on Dec 7, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BSU Football also had violations -
All I am saying is if the institution wants a clean program it can have a clean program. I want Mullen anyway!
Clean Program?
CRN ran one, and BN went berserk with the on-field results.Had a lynch mob to get him fired. A clean program? Let’s get some virgin high school coach who hasn’t had the oppurtunity to cheat. Or get someone who HAS some issues and a NC, and give him a second chance.
More of what my point was in my post above.
Winners get into trouble. Part of the game. People want to give their 1st born for him.
I wanted Mike Leach, Petersen, Mullen or Malzahn clearly it's not getting through
But if the NCAA does not punish Tressel the way it’s being speculated, and they won’t punish the next school, I’m willing to listen to Rational arguments both, for and against Tressel, sorry if that pisses some people off, but we gave RN a try with a tight compliance office, I don’t see why we couldn’t follow the guy with a microscope here. I am not advocating Tressel, fwiw.
There is no comparison between Rick and Tressel
We did the research and debunked that four years ago.
There is a whole thread for all of you Tressel tools to verbally masterbate.....
….please go and look up " show cause" while you’re at it.
This school has the money to go out and fix the problem of not getting the top recruits in the nation. They could give the next coach the sweetheart deal like the one urban meyer got to turn around this team and make it strong again. With 1.8 billion in endowment dollars i sure this school could do something to rebuild this team. Blame dan all you want but he’s not the one with the wallet!
Hold on a darn-tootin' minute
If we are not engaged in a full-on war to fire Dan Guerrero — what with all the posts being about how he’s a dumbass (and deservedly so) — then what are we in now? And how much further can we take? Sure, collective action works when it’s convenient, but the most we can do is, seemingly, engage Internet-based attacks on DG. Is anyone going to meet me up at the Morgan Center? How about Occupying Collins Court or Spaulding Field? No one? OK.
We need to get creative. This “full-on war” to get him fired is basically just what we’re doing now except with more Internet bandwidth usage. Sorry, but these are empty threats right now.
Anyone that is now making bank want to pitch in (read: pay for. By yourself. With minimal donations from me or mostly anyone else) for a “FIRE DG” billboard? That’s about as effective as we can get considering it seems we’re all spread out.
On Neuheisel: I remember getting blasted quite a bit for defending his character midway through the season. (I don’t think I defended his coaching, but whatever.) And now we all seem to be OK with him. Can a brother get an apology?
Really, though: I would not mind having RN as a QB coach or some sort of adviser. Or someone that is designated to tell Dan how stupid he is all day.
Who the hell wants Jim Tressel? Sure, let’s go after him and start kissing our desires to get on the national map goodbye. The goal obviously is not to get to the Rose Bowl but to win games and NOT get to the Rose Bowl. Good job, you guys.
And for the LOVE OF ALL THAT IS F*CKING HOLY, CAN SOMEONE TELL DAN TO GO AFTER DAN (Mullen)????
I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...
http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com
Re Neuheisel
Criticisms of coaching has always been fair game. We have also taken him to task for the delusional comments he made before he got fired. However, we stayed away from attacking him using “slick Rick” and “neuweisel” nonsense. We went out of our way to debunk lot of those smears against him when he was applying for the ucla job.
As for taking campaign against DG online – feel free to take the intiative and organize it.
by Nestor on Dec 7, 2011 7:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The only thing that would make sense out of Chianti Dan's search "process" . . .
. . . would be if he had a Tier 1 coach already in the bag (think Petersen), but didn’t want to announce it until after that coach’s bowl game.
If that were the case I’d give Guerrero a pass (although I still want him fired).
Sadly, I don’t think he’s got a clue, let alone a coach at this point.
What a shipwreck.
Seriously
this reminds me of being a kid and going on the “Tilt-a-Whirl”. It spins faster and faster, i’m just thinking ‘when can i get off’. That’s how i feel. I want this damn coach search to be over already, but i’m afraid of what that would mean…
"Players with fight never lose a game, they just run out of time"
~ John Wooden
To Kenny Powers and the show cause kids
Um who cares if we get the sanctions? UCLA has not WON A MEANINGFUL BOWL GAME in 30 years!!!! If USC can buy houses and hummers and get a slap, tattoos and a couple lies are not going to be a big deal for the next school. And so what if the NCAA grounds us for a couple of years? This guy wins! and he beats rivals! and he competes for national titles! Of course he had real facilities at Ohio State…. but UCLA is a little nicer place to play, live, and and go to school at than Ohio State he should be able to bring a winner here.
"Um who cares if we get the sanctions?"
I stopped reading here.
Well, at least we’ve found someone who wouldn’t make a better AD than Guerrero.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
what school has not had them?
They are handed out like candy. You are being snobbish and naive. I for one am sick of eating crow. I want to beat USC. I want a top 10 program. I don’t want to wait for another nice guy to lose for four more years until we get someone with the will to win in here.
I don’t want him to cheat. But he may be the BEST we can get under the current circumstances. It we have to take a step back to take a leap forward than i say do it.
by Wex on Dec 7, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Harrick got fired for much less than Tressel.
Neuheisel, meanwhile, won his wrongful termination suit, and is nowhere near Tressel’s ballpark.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
that was against a university not the NCAA
but why compare apples to apples… lame violations are lame violations cheating is cheating or do you Kenny Powers have a moral compass that tells us which is good cheating and which is bad cheating?
by Wex on Dec 7, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
So all crimes are the same? Petty theft is the same as murder?
Neuheisel did not commit any major NCAA violations. Tressel did. If you can’t tell the difference, then I can’t help you.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Neu won his wrongful termination suit… at Washington. His cheating contributed heavily to his ouster at Colorado. So, that’s two brushes with the NCAA, if only 1 being justified.
Comparing Pete Carroll to Tressel is apples to oranges. Carroll was part of an institutionally-sanctioned cheating effort, which included payoffs to kids, improper agent contact, improper coaching hires, and deals pulled between coaches and agents. Tressel covered up for some kids getting free tattoos. See the difference?
Yes, he cheated, yes he lied to the NCAA. Almost every cheater has lied to the NCAA. Pete Carroll did not run and tell the NCAA that Reggie was living it up. Rick did not run and tell the NCAA he was cheating at Colorado. To deny Tressel the same second chance we gave Rick is absurd at best, hypocritical at worst.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Not sure why you're bringing Pete Carroll into this. I'm not defending him.
As far as Neuheisel vs. Tressel, see above.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I've read the above.
Tydides mentioned it being hypocrisy since Pete Carroll was roasted for his cheating.
Tressel is in Neu’s ballpark. The difference is he has a form signed promising to tell the truth and he didn’t. Rick sure didn’t self report either. There is no difference. The infractions committed were of the same magnitude, if even less, as Rick committed the violations himself, while Tressel was covering up for his players. Both lost their jobs, both deserve a second chance. Whether or not penalties to Tressel are involved, it’s worth it. He’s a successful head coach in a major conference, and he can recruit. If we hire him now, they won’t penalize us retroactively. That’s just ridiculous.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
"Whether or not penalties to Tressel are involved, it’s worth it."
Could not disagree more.
And who cares if they’re retroactive, or apply once the violations go down? Do you think the NCAA will be like, "OK UCLA, you knew we were investigating him for major violations. But you hired him before we ruled, so you’re in the clear!’
Honestly, I don’t think Tressel is some remarkably evil person either. The whole tattoos-for-jerseys thing was a pittance compared to what we’ve seen at Miami or Penn State.
That said, with the specter of a show-cause violation looming and years of recruiting sanctions on the table, I’ll pass.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
*apply once the punishments come down, that is.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
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"OK UCLA, you knew we were investigating him for major violations. But you hired him before we ruled, so you’re in the clear!’
Yes, yes I do think that’s what the NCAA will say. He was fired, and we are unaware of any specific punishments applied to him at the time, therefore how are we liable for any punishment once he’s hired? It won’t happen.
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To follow up
The penalties short of a show-cause penalty applied to Tressel will not even affect us that much. He will have a staff who does the majority of recruiting for him, and he’ll still be coaching on saturdays. The end result, worst case, is show cause, but beyond that, is some penalties and limited contact for Tressel alone. The risk, in my mind, is so far superior to every. other. choice. DG and his inept administration has floated so far (sans Petersen, but that’s another issue), I would take it in a heartbeat.
All other considerations aside, Tressel is the highest-profile hire in the country outside of Urban Meyer and the Petersen rumors. He would generate instant booster support, and shake up the environment in LA which is already heavily leaning towards the fledgling Kiffin administration. Momentum on our side = 0. Nothing would disrupt that more than Tressel.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
"He was fired, and we are unaware of any specific punishments applied to him at the time, therefore how are we liable for any punishment once he’s hired? It won’t happen."
That explains why everyone rushed to hire Kelvin Sampson in the months between his firing (Feb. 2008) and his show-cause penalty (Nov. 2008), and why so many other college football programs are rushing to hire Tressel now.
“We are unaware of any specific punishments”? You’re kidding yourself if you think that would slide.
The end result, worst case, is show cause
EXACTLY.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
So you know the specific penalties he's getting?
I’d really love to know. Yes, it would slide because WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S HAPPENING. Other schools may not have rushed to hire him because of trepidation but guess what? I’d rather give a go at hiring him and perhaps getting penalized on his recruiting than hiring a Jim Mora Jr. or other uninspired hire and sitting with him for three years until the program is even further in the hell we’re occupying.
All a show-cause penalty means is that the penalties follow a coach, whatever they may be. It doesn’t blackball him from coaching. He gets a show cause and some recruiting restrictions, as I’ve mentioned, who cares? He will, with luck, have a good staff of people recruiting for him, and will be allowed to coach on saturdays. Lord knows it will take two years to get this program back on its feet, and by then the penalties will have expired, at absolute worst. McNair was guilty of much worse, and only had a 1 year show cause.
As for Sampson, he’s with the Bucks. I’m not sure he gives two shits about a show cause penalty in any case.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Of course we don't know the exact penalties to every specific detail.
But it’s not a “perhaps” at this point; it’s a “how much.”
Sampson’s an assistant with the Bucks. Wanna bet his salary as HC at Indiana was bigger? You think he would’ve voluntarily left his job at one of the prime college hoops programs in the country to be an assistant for the Bucks?
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry johnvely
I had to hide you comment…too many f bombs!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
BN is chock full of attorneys
Seems I learned somewhere along the way that a guy is inocent until proven (or at least adjudicted as such by an arbitration board or adminstrative tribunal of some sort) guilty.
In this case, if/when a show-cause penalty is tagged to Tressel, he’s earmarked as such for the duration of the penalty. As such, the guy is damaged goods and should be avoided like an 1890 Moloklai inhabitant.
However, the NCAA has not yet ruled on this, and in the event Tressel is “exonerated” (or whatever), he’s the best coach available.
This begs the more important question: “When does the NCAA rule?”
This is not the criminal justice system.
Ask Joe Paterno.
As such, the guy is damaged goods and should be avoided like an 1890 Moloklai inhabitant.
Bingo. And yet you’re willing to take the risk when it’s a likely punishment?
Seriously, this coaching search is turning otherwise intelligent people into pitchfork-wielding nutcases who’d go six to midnight on the infinitely small chance to hire a known violattor who’s awaiting NCAA punishment. (That wasn’t a personal attack btw, but an overall commentary on this overwhelming freak-out of so many UCLA fans over Tressel because of Olaniyan’s tweet and a bunch of bogus rumors. It’s mind-boggling.)
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
If Tressel was considered
It would have to come with a “green light” from the NCAA. I don’t think he would be a good choice. He will be coaching somewhere after the heat has died down and he might be a bargain now. Given everything that has happened though, I think the reputation of UCLA is more important than winning more football games. At the present time, hiring Tressel would do damage to our reputation and we cannot have that.
With the money that is reportedly on the table, we should get a coach that can perform like Tressel at the very least. It is our athletic department that has screwed this up.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
A failed Jim Mora Jr vs a cheater Jim Tressel??? Who would you vote for?
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Wrong Pelini.
Nobody was clamoring for Carl. They wanted his older brother.
by Kenneth Powers on Dec 7, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
It was wishful thinking
to think this was going to resolved to satisfaction. I for one am numb. I had my dream candidates…swing and a miss—strike one, two, and three.
I remember how I thought RN was the perfect choice when he was hired. We all know how that turned out. I think the point is, we don’t know whether the next person to coach our team will turn it around. I think that is as much a crap shoot as it ever was.
However one thing is certain: The way we are being told DG is going about this coaching search is bungling at its finest.
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You said it! This whole failure by DG is numbing and infuriating.
I also think that it’s getting to the point where the quality candidates might decline simply because they don’t want to be viewed as UCLA’s 12th choice, or whatever it’s at now.
Scott Wolf (of all people) puts out an interesting rumor
Tonight’s rumor is that UCLA is looking at hiring Jim Mora Jr. with Jim Tressel as an advisor to the program
http://twitter.com/#!/InsideUSC/status/144657233169489920
it's being discussed on the bro boards as well
Some of the people with “inside info” are saying that the announcement of Mora will be made soon. Tressel is a part of the package, but to what capacity is unknown.
by bruin578 on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He has done a bang up job....
Advising the Colts. Lol
I should be working right now...
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Hypothetical Question:
Jim Tressel is given the green-light. DG manages to convince someone from the NCAA (after doping him up by slipping something in his chianti) to let UCLA hire Tressel with no penalties on the school.
Do you take him? He is conservative as hell, but he’s no retread and he’s basically coming off a decade of pure success without cheating in the recruiting process. That said, he’ll also be bringing baggage and a host of issues and uncertainty.
Do we sacrifice integrity — without penalty — for success? If our options are down to Mora, Jr. and Tressel, who would you take?
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by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions
utterly disappointed
Apparently, we’ll be hearing soon on who will be coaching the football team. It’s looking more and more like it’s going to be mora. Cannot believe that no attempts were made to get Mullen or butch.
by bruin578 on Dec 8, 2011 7:31 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Good news, of sorts
I just spoke with a Tom Cable family member who says that he’s not interested in college ball—recruiting is a b*tch. Is it a positive to eliminate a negative from consideration when the rest of the our name is tanking?
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