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Jim Tressel And NCAA Violations, The Early Years

Jim Tressel's issues with the NCAA date back long before "Pryorgate"

One of the side effects of UCLA jumping on the coaching carousel, along with Chianti Dan's mismanagment of the search, is that with every passing day there is a new rumor regarding which coach is considering UCLA and/or Dan is hoping to lure to Westwood. One of the latest that has spread throughout the Bruin and greater college football blogosphere is that Chianti Dan has met with Jim Tressel, with eyes toward retaining him as an advisor/hiring him as Neuheisel's replacement and/or hiring him as an assistant to the eventual new coach. Regardless of the wisdom of such moves from a purely performance POV, Tressel's history of running afoul of the NCAA - in severity as well as duration of such problems, as recently as this year - make his hire by UCLA a non-starter.

There are folks that do want him in Westwood though. While acknowledging that his actions have gotten himself in NCAA trouble, a popular excuse is that he is a good guy and that he deserves a second chance. I assume this is because folks are looking at the recent troubles at tOSU ("Pryorgate") as an isolated incident in Tressel's career. That his sense of charity and loyalty to his players led him to protect them, eventually taking the fall. While Tressel might in fact be taking the brunt of responsibility that could otherwise hit Ohio State Athletics broadly in this case, his actions at the end of his time at Ohio State is actually consistent with his career as a football coach. The popular perception of his character has hidden the underbelly of his time leading the football program at Youngstown State - the job that served as a springboard to the Ohio State position - as well as an earlier stint as an assistant at Ohio State.

Tom Farrey wrote a story on Jim Tressel's time at Youngstown State for ESPN.com in 2004. In it, he discussed the parallels between the then-fresh story of Maurice Clarett, the first of Tressel's tOSU players to get his hand caught in the cookie jar, and the star player of Tressel's time in Youngstown. Sports Illustrated, as part of their Spring 2011 expose of Tressel's conduct while coaching at Ohio State and in Youngstown also detailed the violations accrued by the school due to the acceptance of benefits by starting QB Ray Isaac.

In 1988, according to court documents from a jury-tampering trial involving Mickey Monus, a wealthy school trustee and the founder of the Phar-Mor chain of drug stores, Tressel had called Monus about arranging a job for Isaac. The player and the CEO had never met, but Isaac told SI that he had heard of Monus's "philanthropist-type hand" from two basketball players. At his first meeting with Monus, Isaac received $150. According to the court documents, by the time he left Youngstown State, in 1992, Isaac had collected more than $10,000 in cash and checks from Monus and Monus's associates and employees.

Star-divide

Issac was getting more than just cash from Monus, and he was not the only Youngstown player receiving money from the booster.

In January 1994 the NCAA's director of enforcement sent [P - YSU President Leslie] Cochran an ominous letter. It said that according to an anonymous source, Isaac had been driving a car provided by a local business, which would turn out to be Phar-Mor; 13 Penguins had had jobs with Phar-Mor during the season, in violation of NCAA rules; and nonscholarship student athletes were being illegally paid by the university's director of athletic development.

In the wake of this letter, Cochran instructed the Athletic Director to fully investigate the allegations. As later found by the NCAA, and shared last April by SbB:

According to these individuals, the review in 1994 consisted of informal meetings among the director of athletics, the head football coach and the assistant director of athletics/senior woman administrator. Specifically, there were no interviews with other coaches, members of the football team, the former football student-athlete in question or the former trustee booster. There was no in-depth investigation of the information received in 1994 regarding possible NCAA violations. When asked why no in-depth review was conducted, the former director of athletics stated that he believed a disgruntled former employee had made the anonymous allegations to the NCAA. The head football coach agreed.

At that point, the AD and Tressel used the result of the sham investigation to assure Cochran that the allegations were baseless, the product of a disgruntled ex-employee of the AD. After the response of the university president, the NCAA dropped its investigation of Youngstown State football for 4 years, until the trials of Monus on charged of corporate money laundering and Issac for attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, when the two testified under oath to their financial relationship, and Coach Tressel's role in bringing the two men together.

After news of the benefits conferred by Monus, and Coach Tressel's role in bringing at least his star QB to his door for assistance came to light, a local reporter began to investigate the dealing, which then led to an internal investigation by Youngstown State into the allegations.

That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.

... Tressel was aware of the car. At times, Isaac told SI, he asked the coach for help in getting out of traffic tickets. "He'd slot out two hours to meet and say, 'Ray, I need you to read this book and give me 500 words on why it's important to be a good student-athlete,'" Isaac says. Afterward the ticket would sometimes disappear, which, if Tressel intervened, would be an NCAA infraction.

I would compare this to Joe McKnight's United States China-purchased Range Rover, but this looks to have been an even more blatant thumbing of NCAA rules, and with less room for denial or claims of ignorance than Pete Carroll had for that incident. Though his idea of 'punishment' for his star player looks like something that Petey would have approved of.

While the significant violations of NCAA amateurism rules did eventually come to light, thanks to the statute of limitations for enforcement actions to take place, it was too late for the NCAA to take significant action against the Youngstown State program or against Tressel. In the end, the athletic program got a slap on the wrist, and the school's president got a life lesson.

... on March 4, 1998, when Monus was on trial for jury tampering. Cochran said only then, when made aware of a local television report on Isaac's court testimony that day, did he realize that NCAA rules had been broken years earlier.

Now retired, Cochran looks back on the 1994 non-investigation by his athletic director and coach with embarrassment. "I feel like I got crapped on," he said. Youngstown State would admit to a lack of institutional control and accept minor scholarship cuts. But avoiding the truth for so long served the team and city well. With the NCAA's statute of limitations on violations having expired in 1996 -- five years after Isaac left college -- the NCAA declined to strip Youngstown State of its beloved '91 national championship

While it looks like Tressel may have identified the right city in which to continue his collegiate coaching career, his GPS must be on the hiccups, as his following of the Deny-Deny-Deny strategy when confronted with misconduct is right out of the Southern Cal playbook.

Before taking over the Youngstown State program, Tressel was an assistant coach at Ohio State under then head coach Earle Bruce. A story that has floated around the coaching world - and corroborated to Sports Illustrated by one of Tressel's peers on Bruce's staff - looks to be an early sign of not just Tressel's propensity to break the NCAA's rules, but also a sense of selective morality - showing love and loyalty to those in his circle, or those he hoped to bring in, while screwing those on the outside (emphasis mine).

The Clarett and Baker scandals were further evidence that Tressel was, at best, woefully ignorant of questionable behavior by his players and not aggressive enough in preventing it. At worst, he was a conduit for improper benefits ... The latter interpretation is suggested by a story that has long circulated among college coaches and was confirmed to SI by a former colleague of Tressel's from Earle Bruce's staff at Ohio State in the mid-1980s. One of Tressel's duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes' summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won -- a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

I imagine that someone could write a book (if there are not several already) on the type of selective morality in society that people like Jim Tressel are said to embody. Jim Tressel may be a top-notch coach, but as demonstrated by the career path leading up to his tenure as the head of Ohio State football, he is also a top-notch NCAA cheat and may not even be the top-notch man that his supporters love to portrait. Whether or not he deserves a second chance, he used it up long ago, and is now looking for chance number 3 or 4.

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Do you still think UCLA should hire a disgraced cheater such as Jim Tressel - facing possible show cause penalty from NCAA - in any capacity to coach or consult the Bruin football program?
No
42 votes
HELL NO
163 votes
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Thanks for this research

I had forgotten about that SI piece and the rigged lottery.

I imagine the next round of apologists will claim that every coach in America is doing what Tressel did and so he isn’t any worse than any other candidate.

NO TO TRESSEL.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

There are a lot of names floating around that have no business being our coach

But if any of them end up coaching here, I will support them until they give me reason not to. The one exception to that rule is Tressel. I am not a fan of UCLA football if he is the coach.

by JeremyD on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Be strong

Don’t give up already. Let’s make sure none of those coaches end up coming to UCLA. It ain’t like the olden days…we have a voice now.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

I would like the most objective blog post on Tressel. One side is telling me one thing, the other side something else. The editors on BN are really anti-Tressel and they make sense, but they won’t admit why it may be a good idea.

Look at the poll: 59%. AGAIN! It was damn near 60% last time. I don’t want to take sides, but dammit, I want to see some objectivity, something no one seems to have.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

No one has answered this, either:

Tressel or Mora? The lesser of the two Jims.

People will beat around the bush and say, “Neither. Let’s go after someone else.” But what if it comes down to that? Who do you pick?

I’ll take Mora. It’s going to sting because we can’t win with him, but I don’t know if I’m that easily corruptable. Unless someone wants to pardon Tressel from the NCAA.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I did answer it

You close the football program. If those are the only two options you have, then shut it down for good.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Sheesh

That’s a little drastic. I can’t side with you on that one, but hey, I see where you’re coming from.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm objective because I'm confused

I am the scared little kid in the middle that’s looking for someone — you, in particular, tazmiami — to cling onto for security.

I’ve seen enough about how Tressel is “scum.” I’ve seen enough about how Tressel is our savior. I just want to see if the risk outweighs the reward. If we go two years without any sort of postseason at the cost of hiring Tressel, is it possible that we win, say, 2/3 of our games?

I’m sick of losing, but just how bad can this be? He’s a small-time crook, but is he going to ensure that the integrity of our program becomes compromised? If he stops his ways, does he still hurt the image of our program? If someone else hires him and they get a national title while we are still floundering, all while the program is being run cleanly, would we have anything to say about that? Would we “kick ourselves in the ass” for not hiring him?

The Tressel haters will say his past is bad enough that no amount of national championships will ever get them over what he’s done. The Tressel lovers will say that he really deserves a fifteenth chance if he guarantees us wins. I want to know what a middle-ground guy has to say. It isn’t as if we’ll get him hired, but the dichotomy is incredible.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope you find what youre looking for....

….I’m not in the middle on this and as you say – I am not objective.

by tazmiami on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Middle ground

would be a position coach or coordinator job? I’m not advocating that… just suggesting that might be it.

by captainqtp on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

the thing is, there is very little middle ground here

I think most people would admit that, in a vacuum, Tressel can coach. His coaching record speaks for itself. Yes, he is somewhat of a retread, but beyond that, if there were no NCAA issues I’m sure most, if not all, would love to bring him in.

However, you can’t just ignore his violations and potential sanctions. They are very real, and are fairly serious. It comes down to: are you willing to potentially sacrifice the integrity of the program in order to jump start it?

Some would say yes. Some would say no. But there is very little middle ground

by bucknellbruin on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I said it in another thread as well: WWCD?

What would Coach do? If you believe John Wooden would support the hiring of Tressel, then support the hiring of Tressel. If you believe Coach would put integrity before wins, do anything you can to prevent him from being employed by our university.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Dec 9, 2011 4:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if he had a spotless resume, he is past his prime and would not fit in well with the SoCal lifestyle. UCLA needs a a coach whose best years are ahead of him, not behind.

GFO List: Frank McCourt, Ned Colletti, Mike Ashley, Dan Guerrero

by BetterDeadThanRed on Dec 8, 2011 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

you saw the rest

Now get the vest!

LOL. I just wanted to say that.

Seriously though, no to mora! PATTERSON or bust!

by bruin578 on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

You sure?

This would say otherwise: http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5883/votedyes.jpg

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Although

I voted ‘yes’ too. I’ll admit it right now — I’m morally corrupt enough to want wins …

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Curious if N and/or other frontpagers

have any way to at least compare IP’s of regulars here with possible drive-by voters or to look for repeated votes from the same IP.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

This is more of a test to see how morally bankrupt our fanbase is, not any indication of how we’re going to write about this search. I think the results of the test are self evident at the moment.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

There are fans of other schools

who are on BN and vote. Call it troll-voting. But there are enough other Bruins who vote yes to make me embarrassed.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Amazing

and humbling to read this from a fan of another school, while ours say “I don’t care, I just want to win”.

Thanks for your great comment.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Fine!

Since no one else, from the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people who voted yes on Tressel are afraid to turn themselves in (probably for fear of the inevitable backlash/hatred/angst of the editors), i will explain my reasoning.

I feel like there is a gun to my head about to go off w/Jim Mora, and I was looking for any way out. Our top choices have all fallen out and the list of names has not been expanding, just shrinking. Very similar to the feeling during the DC search last year and that outcome played out so laughably predictable on the field this season. I feel like Chianti Dan is about to succumb to a bad decsion, and wants to get this search over as soon as possible. After 50-0, I’ll go with the devil we know vs. the unknown bum coach to be named later. I truly hope I am wrong, and there are good candidates out there waiting to be found.

by Uclabrians on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So brave ...

I voted yes, too. I’m morally bankrupt, as Tydides would describe me, to the point where I want Dubyas, dammit.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Although it’s on the border of wanting to start an Internet flame war, which is a little lame.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I too, am morally bankrupt.

Somos los Bruins poderosos...

by ubcrluain on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe he is an excellent coach.

He wins football games plain and simple.

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

So you admire Pete Carroll too

Lovely.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Carroll is overrated.

Most of his championship wins are due to Norm Chow. The moment he got rid of Norm Chow, his program didn’t win another national championship. This is also why I don’t buy Sarkasian or Kiffen as head coaches. Look at Carroll now, where are the wins?

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Dec 9, 2011 4:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Unsure

I just don’t understand what the hell is going on. This situation is so demoralizing and sad. Tressel is a good coach that made some very bad decisions. I’m so tired of losing that I’m desperate just to see a winning season. To make things even worse if football was bad at least basketball made feel better and now we don’t even have that!

by Trojanswearskirts on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

Remember this too (wikipedia on Tressel)
As Ohio State’s head coach, Tressel is known for a conservative style of play calling (dubbed “Tressel-ball”), winning games with just enough scoring, strong defense, and “playing field position.” Tressel often refers to the punt as the most important play in football. In most interviews, he credits the seniors on the team, foregoing praise for his younger players, in an attempt to promote those who have dedicated themselves to the Ohio State football program for a number of years. He is sometimes referred to as “The Senator” (most notably by ESPN’s Chris Fowler), because of his composure on the sidelines during play and his diplomatic way of interacting with representatives from the media. He is also referred to as “The Vest” for his penchant for wearing a sweater vest on the sidelines.

Sound familiar??

by BruinEngy on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

difference being that the vest

won. He had a record of 94-22 at tosu alone. I’m not for the tressel hiring, but there is no doubt that he knows how to coach.

by bruin578 on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Was wondering about this myself

If you can get past the red flags (and I can’t, especially considering this damning info), what does Tressel bring to the table as a coach? He was consistently conservative and unimaginative in his tenure at OSU. He relied on superior talent and took advantage of a Big Ten that was, by most accounts, not up to par with most other BCS conferences. He was exposed in the national championships (subsequent to his own 13-9, the win over Miami). Particularly telling was Pryor’s superb performance in the Rose Bowl when Tressel finally let him play.

No to Tressel as a person and no to Tressel as a coach. The conservative approach has run its course. Leach would have this guy for dinner.

by Blue29 on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's the other thing

I just don’t think he’d do that well.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

At this rate

Are we sure DG didn’t fly to New York to seek Lavin’s advice on the coaching search?

by Blue29 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

So basically the latest is:

1. expect DG to announce Mora as the new HC as soon as tomorrow.
2. Likely Tressel as some kind of advisor to circumvent NCAA “show cause” issue.
3. only hope for preventing 1 and 2 is if boosters and alumni step in like ASU.

Is this correct?

by tazmiami on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

Yes...

But when I voted Yes, it was only as a head coach. Bringing him in as an assistant does nothing. I would take the penalties, that we could still fight, simply because he wins football games.

Michael C

www.onviolence.com

by Michael_C on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Just wanted to make a note here

That you are no longer allowed to use Coach’s name to whine about our shorthand for mediocrity loving, risk averse losers seeing as how your participation in this thread reveals your lack of adherence to Coach’s teachings and your complete ceding of the moral high ground.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Selective morals...

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

Don’t use Coach’s name to justify your whining again. Thanks.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If so....

….hoping for a miracle and #3 cause 1 & 2 suck!

by tazmiami on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No excess baggage

I can actually get past the history itself if it means a great coach coming here. I haven’t met an Ohio St. fan who regrets hiring Tressel. Nor can I find a USC fan who regrets hiring Carroll. Nor a UCLA fan who regrets hiring Harrick. Even coach Wooden had fingers pointed at him (ever meet an old time Purdue fan?) I think all programs live in glass houses. But while I could get over it, I respect the reasoning of taking the higher ground.

What I don’t want is another coach constantly looking over his shoulder. Neuheisel was apologizing for his transgressions since day one. A good coach knows how to toe the line, but a coach with two strikes is afraid to go near it. I think it was Achilles who wrote a real nice post about how we never saw the riverboat gambler side of Rick we thought we would. He was just all around conservative from the beginning it seems. I don’t want that again. No excess baggage. No Tressel.

by the blur 98 on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

I haven’t met an Ohio St. fan who regrets hiring Tressel. Nor can I find a USC fan who regrets hiring Carroll.

I haven’t met a USC fan who thinks USC did anything wrong, and doesn’t think everyone else is just out to “hate on” (I hate that turn of phrase!) their team.

Ditto with Ohio St fans.
Ditto with Miami.
Ditto with Auburn.
I don’t know any UNC fans, or I’d include them as well.

But the rest of us know better.

by palafox on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone has done some dirt

It just depends where you draw the line. Get off your moral horse and stop condemning everyone.

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

High horse?

Has it come to this? You losers are so damn desperate that you’d want cheaters and liars to run our program?

Everyone has done some dirt? Reconize this: PROSTITUTION

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

"You losers"

tasser10, i’ve respected most of what you’ve said on this forum. However, calling other BRUINS “losers” is disrespectful, no matter what another’s opinion may be. You can state your opinion, but name calling other fans/alums/students/parents/whatever is completely uncalled for.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course it's disrespectful

To someone who has earned disrespect. Respect and disrespect are both earned, and tasser was right to dole it out.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

people get upset

when other BRUINS disrespect the school, its traditions and its integrity by endorsing a serial cheat and douchebag to be the head coach.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

We have all said something in anger....

so let it go or ignore it! We are ALL very frustrated as each second goes by with what is happening. Just because someone states their personal opinion on this forum it doesn’t allow you to call them anything! You can disagree back and state your opinion, however let’s not get childish.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The post never meant to be directed specifically at you....

It was a reply from above. Apologies if you thought that my comment was directed at you.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I can call someone a loser

when they display such mentality. It is a sore, desperate loser who would resort to hiring a CHEATER in order to make themselves feel better on Saturdays in the fall. It is an incredible display of selfishness, wanting to win football games to pump your chest at the cost of our great school’s reputation, while punishing the athletes who will be riddled with the sanctions, as well as a program that unlike U$C has gone above and beyond to keep itself clean.

So, I am not really sorry to offend, it is really the goal. But you know, Mr. Reconize is free to go hire Bernie Madoff as his financial advisor too.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:34 AM PST up reply actions  

That depends

You can put a big dent in if you help us out!

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably not

I’ll leave that to you experienced folk.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

DC is going to ease Tressel into the coaching position to shield the outcry that will come.

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Who's DC?

You mean DG? So he’s gonna hire someone that he plans to replace with Tressel? Brilliant! Wouldn’t put it past him.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Seen this

Was pissed. Someone kick someone else in the balls. Someone needs it right about now.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe to be a decent person, because ....

1. I attend church
2. I provide a social service daily to kids
3. I respect my family
4. My wife and daughter come first
5. I work hard everyday
6. I served in our military
I can go on and on…..

But, damn it, if he is going to win, and not commit anymore mistakes. I’ll take it, because I’m tired of losing every other Saturday.

by TheUniversityOfTheMasses~Reconize! on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

Sellout

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

There you go on your "moral horse" again

Why do you have to make the people with no ethics or integrity feel bad?

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No ethics or integrity..

Apparently you didn’t read that he served our country…..

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You can serve your country

And be a morally bankrupt individual with no ethics or integrity. Case in point.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you personally met the individual?

I’m completely saddened and bewildered how most of the writers have become on this forum. It’s no longer acceptable to state an opinion of frustration or anger without criticism or name calling. Most of these people writing are not trolls or fans of another school. They’re just venting!

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If you put yourself out there

As sacrificing wins over integrity, then not only do I say exactly what I say, but i do not WANT to meet this individual.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Ridiculous...

You put up a poll to ask a question about a coach, only to use it as a “test” of true fan and then bash the people who voted “YES”.

Those who speak their opinion that goes against yours (no matter if it’s unfounded or not) is beat down in a fashion that would make the UCLA greats of the past shake their head.

I can’t believe what this forum has become. When Coach Neuheisel was fired, this place began as an area where people who love UCLA could vent and talk to fellow alums/fans about the future.

It’s now become a forum where “true” UCLA supporters can dominate discussion and make themselves elitist and childish.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

ROFL

I think you lose credibility with

When Coach Neuheisel was fired, this place began as an area…

You have been a member for a week; “this place” has been around long before Coach Neuheisel was fired, and has a culture of holding UCLA to a higher standard than would admit of having a serial cheat as a coach, even if there wasn’t the possiblity of show-cause penalties.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

And I've been a member of the UCLA family....

longer than this forum has existed. So please don’t assume that membership to this forum is a sign of understanding the high standards of UCLA.

And when I stated that “this place began as an area”, i meant this forum began as the prime location to be able to vent frustration directly after Neuheisel was fired.

What I do know is that the higher standards of UCLA should have molded individuals that wouldn’t be so quick to call people “losers” or judge them from a vote or venting in frustration.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Well then welcome to the brave new world

This is not a place to “vent frustration”. We have but one goal; the betterment of UCLA and by extension, it’s athletics. We do not handle fellow Bruins or those to claim to be fellow Bruins with kid gloves. Just as you talk about membership of this “forum” doesn’t convey understanding, nor does the length of your tenure with the Bruin family. We do not automatically respect longevity. We do not respect morally bankrupt arguments, especially not after documenting the shenanigans across town. If these are not to your liking, the door is that way.

by Tydides on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate the directions but.....

Which part of my comments above were “morally bankrupt”?

And when you speak of “We”, in “We have but one goal”, who that may be exactly?

Also, I believe most of us on here DEMAND the betterment of UCLA. However, if you don’t want to hear any arguments that support a specific coach, why put up a poll that encourages people to vote, and in turn, encourages discussion.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't put it up

And I actually said that out of my own curiosity. The other part of what I said is true; no poll will change how we write about our coaching search. That said, a lot of what I’ve seen here has made me think about whether this program is worth saving at all. It is incomprehensible to me that those who cite the embarrassment of the state of our football program don’t also see the embarrassment scandals and sanctions bring to more than just a football program. Hell, while we’re at it, why don’t we interview JoePa? I’m sure that’ll go over well too.

by Tydides on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll agree with that....

and most of what you’ve said.

I appreciate the response.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

Sometimes I’ve thought “hey, maybe I care too much about how UCLA sports perform, maybe I should step back”

but it seems there are people who care so much about wins and losses they don’t care about anything else. It’s incomprehensible to me as well, and disspiriting.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you....

on the Tressel front or the moral standards we need to see in our coaches.

And i see where you’re coming from having to listen to a lot of people coming out and supporting him as a head coach.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks.

I don’t want to be associated with Tressel, or with people who are willing to look the other way and endorse him as coach at UCLA. So, it is depressing to see the poll results above.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

sure

but what I do know is the higher standards of UCLA should have molded individuals to be a bit more tactful than to come into a place other people have built over years and after a week of hanging out start lambasting them for ‘what this forum has become’.

Personally, I find the idea of Tressel to be abhorrent at a moral level. This isn’t about people differing over who could be a successful coach (as in the Mora discussion), but over whether it is worth sacrificing the integrity of the program in order to win a few more football games. I don’t see this as a matter on which reasonable people can differ. You are not expressing a difference in interpretation of facts or likely coaching outcomes (as in people trying to assess Leach vs Petersen), but a difference in the ethical standard to which you think UCLA should aspire.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Im afraid to post this as I have been reading this blog for years now but have only signed up this week to opine on the lackluster coach hunt.

People be getting crabby lol (my poor speech now leads some to assume I lack a proper education and shouldn’t education)

And on the comment below stating that this forum does not automatically respect longevity, i wont argue that, but by the same token one should not automatically disrespect or make one feel disrespected as with north cal simply due to infancy to the forum. Not asking to be treated with kid gloves (heck, i love a healthy debate), lets just not patronize.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

was for nor cal’s comments beginning with

And I’ve been a member of the UCLA family….

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

infancy in a forum is not a reason for disrespect

infancy in a forum and then criticizing ‘what this forum has become’ is a reason for ridicule. Showing up and disrespecting the community and its moderators is a reason for disrespect.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

and honestly

I have fallen foul of those rules a ton, railed against it, been put on timeout and been frustrated – but at the end of the day. if you don’t like the playground rules, don’t come to the playground.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Nor Cal is just tactfully choosing to have a dissenting opinion, he’s done so in a manner that that has been nothing but respectful, he made his comments then asked simple questions , most of which were side stepped.

I will simply choose to agree to disagree, i appreciate everyone who has the courage to opine as I am sure you and all moderators do, as without all these people opining this forum wouldn’t be around, no need to show anybody the door.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

don't call ME a moderator

they would be offended.

But again, you might want to read the community rules as they pertain to lecturing the moderators.

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

for posting the community rules. Everything’s crystal clear. I appreciate you showing me the light.

by NorCalBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

i did not say you were, i said you and all, i checked below to make sure you weren’t one.

if you were i would have said you and all other moderators.

easy buddy

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

just kidding

though I realize that might not have been obvious… :-)

by VeniceBruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

no problem, sarcasm is never easily communicated by means of technology

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 9, 2011 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

But, damn it, if he is going to win, and not commit anymore mistakes. I’ll take it, because I’m tired of losing every other Saturday.

Rick ran a clean program as far as we know. He was admirable, he behaved as a true professional even in adversity and this blog still lambasted him. Yet he also had violations prior to his arriving at UCLA, just not the winning pedigree to the extent that Tressel has. We gave Rick a chance and he (morally and ethically) made us proud, he just failed to win, and that’s what it comes down to (for the most part). I firmly believe that Tressel provides us with the best opportunity to win, top tier coaches aren’t willing to come here at this time. Id rather have UCLA get a proven winner who has admitted his mistakes and willing to man up to them than someone with a clean slate who we will all end up hating anyways when he starts losing. Its not as if we all have never made mistakes, I think sometimes people make the mistake of judging others at one level and judging themselves easier and brushing aside some of their flaws.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I realize i will be thrashed with criticism for feeling this way but its my opinion.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't you dare

compare Neuheisel to a scumbag cheater like Tressel.

Tressel cheated not once, not twice, but three separate times, and those are the ones we know of. He got improper benefits for players and lied to the NCAA. Neuheisel’s violations were child’s play in comparison. And hiring him didn’t get UCLA any sanctions, whereas hiring Tressel would. So we should punish our football program to give this chump a third chance? You don’t see what the is wrong with that picture?

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not comparing the two, I simply stated that they both had prior violations, i didn’t mention the degree of their mistakes. I would agree that Tressels violations are worse. I also have yet to read anything on UCLA being sanctioned if they were to hire Tressel. Perhaps I missed it, the severity of those sanctions would influence my vote obviously. I think it comes down to the level of one’s magnanimity. People make mistakes, I think if hired he will scrupulously monitored, as he should be, and I would be ok with that. I understand, I am more forgiving than most, especially those unafraid to post on this blog, but its how I feel and I’m ok with disagreeing on this.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you Kidding?

They both had “prior violations?” Come on, you’re comparing parking violators with Bonnie & Clyde here, and claim you can’t appreciate the difference? From all appearances, he’s an unrepentant, recidivist cheater, who ran a boring offensive scheme in a boring conference, where there is nothing else to do on Fall Saturdays. Whoever comes in here has to run a clean program, win far more games than either of the two immediate predecessors, and do so in an entertaining way, in order to compete with all the other entertainment distractions in town, including the future felons across town. At the very least, a jughead with a 95 IQ ought to be able to see right away that Sweater-vest guy is a bad fit here. Dumb-Dan-the-Donut-Man, on the other hand . . .

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Dec 9, 2011 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It is football

Why don’t the morons calling someone who has done something of the highest honor, like serve our country and put his life on the line for it, cool it over football. I personally do not want someone who, based on the post, has committed several violations and does not seem to have any integrity coaching at this university. That is for trojans. However, I can see that some may want to give him a chance at redemption, provided he has a short leash and is held to the high standards of UCLA. Regardless, this is football, and it is no call for defaming someone who has served and given in a capacity that someone who hasn’t cannot possibly understand.

by uclakrause on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Serving your country

Does not confer upon you immunity from criticism.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

but...

due to the fact that we don’t know anything about said serviceman, I think that (given his honorable dedication to serve) we should give him the benefit of the doubt and presume that this individual indeed has at least some integrity… until they prove us otherwise.

I do not think, however, that our default presumption of any servicemen/women should be that they lack integrity or ethics.

by TomahawkRed on Dec 9, 2011 2:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Bzzzzt. Wrong.

It is not the default presumption. That has nothing to do with what I said. There is no default presumption at all. That’s the point. Serving your country does not give you a leg up, your words still have to stand on their own. Using the flag as a shield or whipping it out like a trump card like so many of you are willing to do is disgusting. The part about not knowing anything about this individual is also incorrect. I know that he supports a Pete Carroll level liar and cheater and is willing to sacrifice and whore out my school’s integrity for wins. I have no tolerance for that attitude.

by Tydides on Dec 9, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

"A chance at redemption"

is exactly another way of saying you will drop your standards for this one guy.

Why should UCLA provide redemption to a CHEATER? If anyone deserved redemption, it was Mike Leach. His downfall was completely undeserved. But Tressel is a documented cheater and liar. I will never support him nor will I have any respect for the opinion of those who support him.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It's in bad shape

For those without a spine, integrity, or any pride at all in the school. The third one is important, because there are a lot of non-alum Bruin fans who don’t have as much skin in the game, and who can just hide their jerseys in the closet when the sanctions come raining down.

by Tydides on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Lane Kiffin

Is 10x slimier, and cheatier than Jim Tressel – and yet somehow he has been transformed into a “sob story” case for bitter unfairness since they cant play for the Rose Bowl, courtesy of our douchebag, Bruin-hating, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott. I think many Bruins feel the deck is starting to get stacked against them.

by Uclabrians on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's the players who are the victims

Pete Carroll cheated and moved on, leaving the current players to suffer the consequences. I don’t know of many who are feeling sorry for Lane Kiffin or USC in general.

Given what I believe most here think of Lane Kiffin, going down the road you are sounds to me like a classic case of “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.” And there isn’t even a guarantee that you will beat them if you join them. (But there is a near-guarantee you’ll get penalties from the NCAA.)

This is gut-check time.

by scotty256 on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

FWIW - I don't see Scott as intentionally anti-Bruin... His Southern Cal pimping looks more like a marketing ploy

And he is by trade a marketer, specifically a marketer of professional sports before moving to Walnut Creek’s Pac-12 HQ. We have pretty well settled that football is the economic driver of collegiate sports, and for better or worse he sees Southern Cal as the biggest name among Pac-12 football programs, regardless of their ethical lapses and chronic rules violations. I don’t think the ignorance of such ethical matters is the right way to approach collegiate sports, but I see his actions more in that light – squeezing every bit of cash that he thinks he can get – rather than being against any one school.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

and given he wasn’t here when they were committing violations, he may not feel so strongly about punishment that could potentially cost the conference dollars (certainly could have damaged the Pac-12’s chances of 2 BCS teams, given Oregon and Stanford were in the same division) .

by VeniceBruin on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Just say “HELL NO” to Faustian Bargains.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Dec 9, 2011 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion, polls as above....

…..give DG the artillery he needs to hire anyone he wants as, despite all of the best efforts by BN, alumni, students and boosters to be vocal in selecting potential candidates for the betterment of UCLA, we appear corrupt based upon the question and results.

Thanks for giving DG the free out, 63%. Hiring cheaters and retreads will not get you those coveted wins.

BTW – if you don’t think BN is being read/watched as a temperature gauge for the HC search, the NY Times and other national press sites have cited BN and the efforts here.

by tazmiami on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 PM PST reply actions  

After all this

I can’t believe we really lost out on Leach.

Seriously. Fire Dan Guerrero.

by BruinEngy on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

We operate on logic, facts and reason

But it has become clear that many of you have become desperate for wins at any cost. A truly pathetic day. So be it, I won’t hold back on those of you pining for a scumbag cheater. You are sellouts.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

To all of you who voted for Tressel

If he is hired and UCLA gets sanctions, you hereby agree to be banned from watching or going to any UCLA football game. Out of principle you should do this. And if any of you need a definition for “principle”, let me know. Hint: it’s not the head honcho at a high school.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

no problem.

i’m already on the verge of not watching. i’ll even mail all my old gear back a la others on here.

by mdwstbruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Mailing back your gear for that reason....

…..makes you nothing like me or others on here. Check your reasons vs our reasons – very different.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

And hiring him didn’t get UCLA any sanctions, whereas hiring Tressel would

was this simply conjecture then earlier, I am confused now. And by principle, if he were to be hired, and ucla were to become an elite and clean program, what should you be banned from?

Im not trying to be a jerk, I just think your being a little harsh, i can tell you genuinely care about the program and have your opinion, i just think there’s a more tactful way of going about things.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed.

what happens if one of these guys is hired. runs it clean. wins games. don’t wanna see the haters jump on the bandwagon. i hate hypocrits.

by mdwstbruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hired by 2 schools as a head coach - cheated at both

That, along with the allegation that he violated NCAA rules as an assistant coach would make him 3 for 3 in breaking the NCAA’s rules while employed by a football program. I don’t want to be the fool that gives him opportunity number 4.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm done being tactful

People spout opinions without reading the rest of the site and all the great work being done here. I don’t think people understand: this is not a forum, it’s a community. If you go to someone’s house and give opinions that are not just unpopular but that make people question your values, you probably won’t be invited again.

What I am saying is that, if Tressel is hired (since people here support that), and UCLA gets hit with sanctions because of the NCAA “show cause”, then those people should voluntarily ban themselves. The fear is not that Tressel would come to UCLA and cheat, the fear is a) hiring someone with questionable morals, and b) hiring someone that will bring sanctions with them because of improper conduct prior to UCLA.

I think you are confused. Basically, Tressel did a lot of wrong things at Ohio State. If the NCAA rules that he is liable for those things, and punishes him, then whichever school hires him will automatically get sanctions.

Read up on it, it’s the 50th time it’s been linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show-cause_penalty

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

And vice versa

If he is hired and UCLA is relevant and kicking ass, those that railed against him shall be forbidden from jumping on the bandwagon.

by SWC Bruin on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

And just as soon as UCLA starts winning under Treason...

… the country will want to know How? Why? What’s Going On In Westwood? How Are They Cheating? What New Fraud Is Going On Over There? C’mon, Bruins. This is Learned Helplessness gone mad.

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!

by Bruins78 on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No harm in them wondering as long as no cheating occurs. UCLA’s revenue will be going up, they will have the resources to scrupulously monitor “Treason’s” actions and that of his staff, heck they can afford a staff to do simply that if they don’t have one already. They have the resources it’s just a matter of using them judiciously. Unfortunately no other proven winner is chomping at the bit to come, I’m ok with with getting a proven winner with some scrapes and bruises and monitoring him closely.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And your confidence in "No harm in them wondering as long as no cheating occurs" comes from?

From 1983-2011, Tressel has had 3 major CFB coaching jobs (assistant tOSU, head coach at Youngstown St, head coach at tOSU) and has been found to have violated NCAA rules, and/or is alleged to have done so at every one of those jobs. Why do you think he will stop now?

And while UCLA Compliance may be better at their job than tOSU’s department, they have not been tested by a football coach in the post-Toledo era. One of the main selling points of Dorrell was his military upbringing and ability to clean up that aspect of Toledo’s reign, while because of his reputation (and the lack of the type of apologists that Tressel has for far more severe violations) Neuheisel knew that he had to be spotless. So far, there is no sign, no Neu-like time in teh wilderness to make one think that Tressel has seen the light and would walk into his next job with the intent and ability to be squeaky clean. It certainly could happen, but the risk of him carrying on as usual is too high to be worth the possible (far from guaranteed) reward of wins over losses.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

my confidence comes from the fact that my comment was a simple statement, they can wonder if we are cheating all they want, so long as there is no cheating in the program. No harm in wondering is all I’m saying, UCLA being accused or other’s having suspicions is not a crime in itself is the message i was trying to conjure.

Perhaps we just disagree on whether the risk is worth it, as I’d be a fool to state that there is no risk involved with his hiring. With as frustrated as I’ve become with the program, in conjunction with knowing that UCLAs Compliance staff proving itself fastidious post-Toledo, i see the risk being worth it. Just my opinion.

Newbie

by gdl on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You simply don't understand

It’s not about him cheating while at UCLA. He cheated before, and UCLA could still get punished for it just by hiring him.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

New here

usually like to log in and just read the articles and opinions, but I have to ask and perhaps this has already been mentioned somewhere else on BN, but has anyone considered Brian Billick? – ex Baltimore Raven HC. Yes, I know he is an NFL re-tread, but he’d be far better than Mora or Tressel and really is a proven winner, only had 3 losing seasons out of his 10 in Baltimore and yes his last season was his worse, but again it seems as though he should at least be a candidate.

by zimniner on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

Jim Treason

Any school that hires him DESERVES immediate sanctions.
(And we’re going to see to it that that school get’s ’em)!
That pretty much sums up the meaning of Show Cause.

I cannot believe there are Bruins who actually want this nightmare in Westwood.

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!

by Bruins78 on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you

I don’t think people understand, they think we’re worried that he’ll cheat once he’s here.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 6:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is Gary Patterson out?

Is it because TCU is joining the Big East so he’ll already be able to play in a major conference?

by BruinEngy on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 PM PST reply actions  

Patterson is making $3 mil+ a year

And will be in an AQ conference that should be relatively easy to win. Why move?

by scotty256 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, forgot about that

They’ve been jumping around so much, I can’t remember where they are anymore! :P
Big 12’s going to be a steep curve for them.

by scotty256 on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard he had a history

But had no idea of the depth of the deceit. Cross him off the list.

But I am really bothered 60% don’t care. Wow.

Thank goodness the poll is not scientific.

How about Briles or Chryst?

by uclahy on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

There is lots of Briles chatter around the web tonight

He sure looks good on paper and was able to recruit both Case Keenum and RG3. I’d be amped if we picked up a Briles. He seems like a great candidate and has built up two programs now.

by captainqtp on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Regarding USC and tOSU fans not regretting Pete and The Vest

There’s a big difference to me between those situations and this one. Learning that the coaches were breaking the rules after the fact didn’t negate the rides and experiences they had while the programs were at their prime. Therefore, there is probably less regret.

However, hiring Tressel now would be doing so knowing that he has a repeat history of deceit and violations. It would be the ultimate statement of “we don’t care how we win or who we do it with, just that we win.”

The question is if that’s okay or not.

by scotty256 on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Why Not? Ken Niumatalolo

4 years ago I said UCLA should take a good look at Paul Johnson. The flak I took over it was intense. “His offense can’t work in a real conference” was the usual retort.

I think he has done pretty well at Georgia Tech.

So, again, I will make the case for an out of the box candidate.

Johnson’s protege is Ken Niumatalolo the current head coach at Navy.

He runs the same offense as Johnson. His winning percentage at Navy is the same as Johnson’s was .. .608..

Living in Maryland I get to see most of the Naval Academy games.

Ken Niumatalolo is a good coach that can bring an offense that creates matchup problems with any defense.

We need to realize that UCLA is NOT going to get the same kinds of players that $c or Oregon do. The only hope for our program at this point is to bring someone in that can do more with less.

That was my argument for Johnson.

Anyone that can win games with Navy can win games at UCLA.

This was a down year for Navy. The highlight of the season in my opinion was the 21-24 loss at South Carolina. Navy rushed for 274 yards and was in the game until the final whistle.

I can’t imagine any UCLA in the past 8 years going to South Carolina and being in the game let alone rushing for 274 yards.

by Maryland Bruin 95 on Dec 9, 2011 5:25 AM PST reply actions  

Have you changed your name?

Because you only joined a week ago.

There were many on here supporting Paul Johnson, including some of the frontpagers. The flak you took was a matter of opinion. But this:

UCLA is NOT going to get the same kinds of players that $c or Oregon do

is patently false, when many of Neuheisel’s recruits were also U$C and Oregon targets. I don’t know if you remember, but by your grad year you should…we beat U$C 8 years in a row, and we were getting a ton of the kinds of players that U$C and Oregon do. It just takes winning to get recruiting going. Sorry but you’re simply wrong on that.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

This quote is enough for me to say "hell no."

“In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That’s Jim Tressel.”

I cannot believe the poll. So many out there who would sell their souls to win a few more games.

Chianti Dan has f**ked this fire/search up so badly that assistant coaches are leaving to go to Wazzu. Bye, bye Mastro.

by orlandobruin on Dec 9, 2011 6:06 AM PST reply actions  

68% is a strong number

Sure Tressel was not aggressive enough in his players questionable behavior. He has paid the ultimate price and resigned from his dream job in disgrace. He turned his head on Tatgate and the jocksniffing boosters. I think he would do great in a different atmosphere. What he did is nowhere near USC, PSU or Miami, but tOSU moves the meter and ESPIN and SI fed off the ratings meter. Yes there was a cover up, but to saturate the details of tattoos and rigging raffles….really???

by tmush on Dec 9, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't understand

It’s not about what he would do if he came here, which he shouldn’t since he’s a cheater.

It’s about what he did before. If he gets hit with the NCAA show cause penalty for what he did at OSU, then UCLA will automatically get sanctions if he is the coach here.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yikes...

Some people have low standards.

by hedrun on Dec 9, 2011 7:22 AM PST reply actions  

Dear God

I go away for a day and this is what I come back to?

The first poll was bad enough. But sure, maybe people don’t realize how long and repeatedly The Vest has cheated.

Oh, hey, look — the moderators detailed his past. Surely the poll will be different now. Right? RIGHT???

Dear God people…

Now I know to take online polls with a grain of salt. Lord knows that they are easy enough to rig or that trolls can have quite an impact on them.

But really guys? Really?

That many of you want The Vest?

This isn’t a choice between Mora and Tressel. Those aren’t the only two people at the party. There are other viable choices out there (if bAD Dan would see it).

Voting for The Vest is not the only option here. It’s not hold our noses and pick him because he is the only one who can turn this around.

This is right versus wrong. The Vest shouldn’t even be hinted at as even the remotest possibility.

How far have we sunk?

by OCBruin95 on Dec 9, 2011 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

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