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Spaulding Roundup: Mora and Tressel Remain the Wrong Direction and Wrong Message

Today is the last day of finals week in Westwood. Let's hope it has been a successful week for all of our student-athletes, and that our football team enjoys a well deserved weekend break before getting back at it on Monday. I'm really looking forward to following the practice updates next week to see how our team responds to interim coach Mike Johnson, and if there is a change in the vibe under his direction. Personally, if I never hear the word "crisp" to describe a practice again, I'm good. The imminent departure of assistant coach Jim Mastro will be another interesting dynamic. It is extra painful that he is off to WSU to join Mike Leach's staff, when you consider what a popular and successful (and easy slam dunk) choice Leach would have been for this team. Plus, we could have saved Coach Mastro all those relocation costs.

Of course, the big topic the players will get to deal with will be the ongoing chaos of Dan's bungled coaching search. Hopefully it will not cause much distraction to the players and their preparations, but only to those of us on the outside who really care about the welfare of our football program (do you hear me, Chancellor?). There are some very strong candidates like Dan Mullen and Troy Calhoun and Art Briles out there still, while Chianti chases retreads.

Jon Gold's blog Inside UCLA acknowledged there was little news on Thursday. We know Chianti Dan returned from New York yesterday. We can only hope that his time at the Intercollegiate Forum allowed him to spend some time with some qualified D-1 Athletic Directors who have a clue about what they are doing. Maybe the snickering behind Dan's back gave him a heads up that he isn't doing things well enough in Westwood. But even with no hard news coming out of Westwood yesterday, there is always more than enough to talk about with this program. The entire football season and coaching saga has been so consuming in that aspect that I didn't even realize that the Denver Broncos are apparently playing a new quarterback. Now you'd think that sort of thing would make the news.

But back to our football program, we did see a couple of interesting bits yesterday. Most notably, Scott Wolf of the LADN tweeted this last evening:

@InsideUSC A college coach tells me he heard Jim Mora Jr. is out as a candidate at UCLA

Star-divide

While I would dearly love to believe this, the sixth hand nature of this "report" makes me envision of a group of catty teenage girls strategizing prom dates, so we should take it with a grain of salt. And the term "college coach" eliminates Mora himself from being the source. Nothing official in either regard about Jim Mora Jr has come out of the Morgan Center, but the rumors are out there and people are forming conclusions, and this tweet should be a hopeful sign. Of course, people only need to read here to find enough info to reach the obvious conclusion that Mora is very far down the list of acceptable candidates, and that U.C.L.A. should not be wasting its time with him at this point, when other candidates (Mullen, Calhoun, Briles) are available.

Also, we have heard suggestions that the big money donors are not supportive of a Mora hire. We also hear that Guerrerror's seat is getting more and more tenuous, and chasing Mora could be the final straw that finishes him at U.C.L.A. I guess we will see if Chianti's hubris will take the risk. The other key point in this is that the calls to the Chancellor and Morgan Center are working, so keep up the pressure, Bruins. The New York Times has noticed.

And on the topic of candidates way way way down the list, the rumors of a partnership with Jim Tressel have also quieted down. While there is no doubting Tressel was a successful coach, I would also remind everyone that OJ Simpson was a great college running back, Octomom had a succesful pregnancy, Tanya Harding was a US skating champion, and Nikola Dragovic was our leading shot blocker in 2009. The real value of someone goes far beyond one particular area of success. The reasons for not hiring a repeat offending liar and cheat who still has the threat of NCAA show-cause penalties hanging over him outweigh any value he might offer as a coach. Yes we want to win. But this is still U.C.L.A., and I still expect our University to uphold a high degree of integrity and ethics. Hiring Jim Tressel voids that and is unacceptable, especially while there are so many other qualified coaches (Mullen, Calhoun, Briles) without the baggage. It is pretty disappointing to me how many people apparently are willing to forfeit class for a few more W's. Shameful.

This really shouldn't be that difficult. We all know about the natural gifts at U.C.L.A. from the gorgeous campus to the great weather and location to the first rate academics to the unprecedented legacy in the athletic programs. Unfortunately, time moves on and we cannot rest on that legacy and expect it to survive. And U.C.L.A. is about a decade behind the curve on making commitments to its facilities, its fans, and its student-athletes. If Dan would simply listen to those around the school and programs who are more than willing to help, then maybe we could all get along.

Instead, we get Chianti and his ego driving our football program into the ground. you get this. The OC Register has a cute little photo essay yesterday titled U.C.L.A.'s 10 Days of Hell, which spans the blowout to *$c, Rick's firing, the failed attempts to hire Petersen, Sumlin, and Golden, and the loss to Oregon, punctuated with the train wreck that is basketball and Reeves Nelson. It's clever in it's own way, with the degree of snark and derision you'd expect from the OCR, but as usual it misses the target by a mile. It should have been named UCLA's 10 Years of Hell and it needed just a single photograph:

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I suppose this has to be called good news

Every morning I when I hook up to BN I expect to see another disaster. I was relieved to see that Chianti Dan did nothing. It’s sad when my expectation of the outcome of the coaching search is such that it’s good news when our “leader” does nothing.

by Fox 71 on Dec 9, 2011 6:16 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The Tressell poll and the comments in that thread . . .

. . . really have me shaking my head this morning.

Is this a generational thing? A societal thing? So many people willing to trade character and integrity for a couple of hours of self-satifaction after a win or two.

Our society has been poisened by the “just win baby,” winning isn’t everything, its the only thing," and “bling” mentality that we are scortching the earth we are walking on.

Color me disappointed.

by orlandobruin on Dec 9, 2011 6:30 AM PST reply actions  

Sense of desperation

And a poisoned state of UCLA programs.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2011 6:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

not sure if it's generational

I’m still in college and Tressel is an absolute non starter for me. At first, I’ll admit i would have been intrigued if he didn’t get hit with show-cause, but i really didn’t know the depth (and repetitiveness) of his transactions. Once P laid them out last post he should’ve been off the table for everyone

by bucknellbruin on Dec 9, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm almost certainly on the left side of the age bell curve here

But somewhere to the right of you I think. Going to chime in and just cross my fingers and hope that it’s not the younger crowd exclusively that’s willing to whore out the integrity of the University by supporting Tressell.

by Tydides on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I honestly think they don't understand

that sanctions would come because of what he did at OSU, not what he might do at UCLA.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe this will help....

Tressel was rumored to be a candidate for Akron – not any more:

http://www.ohio.com/sports/lloyd/jason-lloyd-ncaa-will-make-sure-jim-tressel-isn-t-coming-to-akron-1.248010
and

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-theothertressel

“As part of its sanctions against Ohio State and Jim Tressel, the NCAA could levy a "show cause" penalty against the 10-year coach of the Buckeyes. That would mean that any college which wanted to hire him would have to in essence prove to the NCAA why he would be a worthwhile candidate and might not break rules again.

No coach has ever been hired who was still under an NCAA show-cause sanction."

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Desperation

We’re all so beaten down from the last 10+ years of UCLA football that we’re at a point where we just want to win. Then, you see how everybody in the national media treated $C as if there was injustice in their punishment. Everybody basically saying they’re still the champs and things like “we saw the games and dominance…you can’t vacate our memories” and it starts to cloud your judgement. You start to wonder if that isn’t the only way to win in this era of college football.

It takes each person taking a step back and looking at the big picture to come back to reality. We don’t want to win that way. There isn’t a need to cheat if you do things the right way, the honest way. UCLA has enough natural advantages to where we shouldn’t have to cheat to win. Then again, we shouldn’t have to deal with complete incompetence from the leadership in the athletic department.

Go Bruins!

by King J77 on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing is

I’m not so worried about Tressel coming in here and cheating. In Ohio he had relationships with boosters. He won’t have that here, and we don’t have those kinds of boosters. It’s more about the principle of hiring a known cheater, and the consequences of doing so, even if our program is clean when he’s here.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

not generational

I’m fairly young and I would be appalled at Tressel being hired at U.C.L.A. We would also be the laughingstock of the nation and complete hypocrites.

by hicalliber on Dec 9, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I concur

Its absolutely not generational. That’s generalizing and not true by any means. There are many of us, young Bruins out there who want to win, but win without cheating or controversy. The sweater vest is not the answer.

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I've backed off the Tressel deal

The overwhelming guilt that the eds have imposed on me for considering him was too much. If I want to commit suicide, you guys, make sure they guilt me out of it.

Most readers and eds here, though, act as if they don’t have the “winning is the only thing” mentality. They’ve entertained overthrowing the chancellor and if they were given the chance, they’d probably scrap academic programs so our athletics can catch up.

Regardless, we all want to see this team win and we all agree DG isn’t the right dude to point us in the direction. The extremes people will go to, though, differ.

I have the Sons of Westwood on my iPod in my "favorites" playlist ...

http://sonsofwestwood.wordpress.com

by johnvely on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

you're being ridiculous

we have never endorsed “scrapping academic programs” and never will

by Odysseus on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Good post G.....

…solid update. It’s nice to read something that wasn’t reporting a new disaster at UCLA.

As for Orlandobruin’s questions – I don’t know. I read one post from yesterday that insinuated cheating is ok as long as you don’t get caught. I initially thought is was a trogan aluminum but was disappointed to see it was a bruin.

I am glad Coach isn’t here to experience this mess and see what some of Bruins have deemed acceptable to win at any cost. Instead we have the ghost of Al Davis injecting “Just Win, Baby”.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 6:47 AM PST reply actions  

Fire Dan

I wake up every morning expecting to hear that Dan has been fired from his job. I don’t want to see a football coach hired until we have a new AD first. Stop the coaching search and look for a competent AD. Where is block hiding and who is deleting all the “FIRE DAN” emails?

by cyberdbk on Dec 9, 2011 6:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Added this blurb to Dan's Wikipedia page

As of December 8, 2011, it is unclear whether Chancellor Block has acknowledged the dozens of phone calls, e-mails and letters directed to his office, threatening to withdraw donations and refusing to renew football and basketball season tickets if Guerrero was not removed from his position.

If Block is going to ignore alumni and fans and channel all of the frustration directed at Chianti Dan, through his receptionist, it ought to be noted somewhere.

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Chief Administrator over our Medical Program behaved like our Athletic Director...

How long would it take Chancellor Gene Block to make his move? Instantly?
UCLA Athletics (the NCAA’s #1 overall program) is our public face.
Gene Block doesn’t have a clue. Regime Change.

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!

by Bruins78 on Dec 9, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Fwiw: Time Frame

Dorrell was introduced December 19
Neuheisel was introduced December 29
Today is December 9
Not sure that this means anything, per se.
I was feeling like this was dragging on, so I checked the dates.
According to the DG clock, he’s “right on track” (as usual).

U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!

by Bruins78 on Dec 9, 2011 7:15 AM PST reply actions  

That must mean we're getting a new HC on the 39th of December

At this point, I wouldn’t even trust Chiant to know better. Hey Dan, December has 31 days!

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't be absurd!

The 39th is a Sunday. I’d expect the announcement to come the next day: the 40th.

by DamienW on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe
was set to be named HC and agreed to terms and Chianti Dan told him that he’d be announced the day after the 39th, which led ______ to realize that Chianti Dan was truly incompetent and decided to stay at ________

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I am glad somebody checked this

While almost all of the criticism of Dan is fair, the fact that the search is dragging out into its second official week may not be fully fair. And clearly not as important as so many of the other criticisms. Bluebland had it right: get the hire right.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem is

he could have gotten the hire right a long time ago. Now he’s lost out on a couple of good hires already.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

THAT is fair

Should have had a plan
Should have fired RN after Arizona
Shouldn’t have let Caldwell go

All very legit criticisms.

I dont believe Dan is doing it right at all. But the fact we dont have a coach yet is not the problem The problem is the lack of faith he will get it right when he does announce a coach.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Getting the hire right is one thing

Having the wrong guy trying to hire the right guy but doing it the wrong way requires a wholesale regime change.

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

The second official week should have been a month ago

And now that Chianti is in the thick of this race against actual competent ADs that are snatching up the elite targets left and right, they’re eating his lunch. It has become increasingly clear that he laid none of the groundwork with any of these prospects until he fired Rick, which is doubly incompetent. Look at the proactive measures WSU’s AD took. He knew that he may be looking for a new coach, and he built a relationship with Leach. That’s being proactive and doing your job competently.

by Tydides on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't imagine Chianti Dan letting anybody eat his lunch, literally

metaphorically, they’re eating his lunch, taking his 2nd lunch, lunch money and eating his dessert too

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Flounder might not know it yet but...

his days are numbered as U.C.L.A. A.D.

Many influential donors to the athletic department are also donors to other portions of the university. While Block-head doesn’t give a crap about sports, threats to withhold ALL donations to the university including a $40M donation to the medical center does get his attention.

Unfortunately for those of us that love U.C.L.A., the mismanagement of the athletic department is not an abbirition. It is more like the norm at U.C.L.A. It is why they will have to do a lot more than just firing Flounder to get me to start donating again. Until then, our grad schools will be the beneficiaries. (and despite having massive endowments, they treat us much better than U.C.L.A. ever did)

by beanandcheeseburrito on Dec 9, 2011 7:31 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Briles, Mullen...some thoughts

Briles: The situation at Baylor upon his arrival (bottom feeder program wrapped in apathy) would seem eerily similar to UCLA’s current predicament and his progressive coaching experience and Texas connections could be an advantage in recruiting outside CA and his personality and values would be a big departure from past coaches but I don’t see him thriving in So Cal for this reason – too diverse.
Mullen: Great progressive coaching experience at big time programs and “start ups” and he’s been somewhat of a journeyman in that he’s from the Northeast but has thrived in the SEC which tells me he is adaptive and could make the transition to UCLA and the West Coast. I like the way he communicates with players and media alike. Looks like he can get down in the mud when needed but represent the program well in the media and he’s on the upswing of his career.
Both coaches are football smart but if I had to pick, Mullen would be my choice.

Hail to the Hills of Westwood.

by Mr. Hilgard on Dec 9, 2011 7:38 AM PST reply actions  

I was at UCLA during the last year of the Alcindor era and I met Coach once. Never forget the simple, nice man he was.

Then, even if we lost to SC, we always had BB to enjoy and win win win. Now even that is gone. He would be appalled at the state of affairs now but would never say so publicly. We will solve this. Every problem has an answer. Every issue has a solution if you keep going. However, it cannot be solved applying the same strategy. There’s the rub. JD Morgan always had a list of good coaches in every sport available in case the need arose. The only list DG had was a wine list.
“Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.”

by 1970 on Dec 9, 2011 7:43 AM PST reply actions  

Most importatnt phrase in the post: "But this is still U.C.L.A...."

While we want parts of the culture to change, we do not want the core values of UCLA to change. Wooden and so many other Bruins were critical of Kentucky’s hiring of Calipari. Tressel may only have one strike against him, it is still a very big strike. Pass.

UCLA should put “doing it right” as a core value.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 9, 2011 7:58 AM PST reply actions  

Correction

Reading the posts in reverse order…clearly Tressel has more than one strike agianst him

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Fire DG...

Then we should hire a new AD and go after Petersen again!

by Trojanswearskirts on Dec 9, 2011 7:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Troubled Times Bring Troubled Thoughts

Whatever the results of the Tressel poll, I don’t think BN is deeply divided or that there is a real presence, here, supporting a “win no matter how” approach.

I think that these troubled times have brought a lot more people to BN — because BN has the most in depth coverage and most thoughtful commentary. The moderatorss have welcomed these new voices and the community has guided them in terms of BN’s posting rules.

I suspect that there are also outsiders having a good time at our expense. Wouldn’t sc love to see us hire a cheater? Lose the moral high ground on those issues?

My take is that DG has so messed things up that out of desperation and a desire to end our misery, many of us just want a coach named — a coach who has been a winner — and are willing to take Tressel just to end the madness. Of course, it’s a false ending because a hire like that will bring nothing but madness, for years to come.

Some of you have done excellent work analyzing the candidates who are out there.

We have been so busy fighting a “negative battle” to keep DG from making the wrong hire, that we have not put the same emphasis on the positive folks who he should consider.

I’m wondering if our next PR push can be to highlight who we think should be in consideration and get the press to talk about them. No, not a BN endorsed list, but a call for focus on positive candidates with real credentials, coaches who can give us hope.

Can we cultivate some reporters, Gold, NY Times, to have a dialogue? Or can you guys get some SBN coverage with an interview similiar to the ones before games with other schools?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Good thoughts 66

All I can tell you is that what you’re suggesting is already being done in the backchannels. The problem is that DG is operating in a vacuum, but word seems to be getting to him about his “frontrunners”…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ridicule and Embarassment Change Behavior

There is power in the back channels

For people like Block and DG who are image conscious, public ridicule is an anathema.

This search can do more damage to our image than the good that is done by the medical school.

Engaging in a public discussion of GOOD candidates being overlooked by the buffoon may be the next wave of pressure.

I fear that the DG is a fuck up story is becomming old news.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 9, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Good suggestion

Juxtaposing the rumored candidates (Mora, Tressel, Jones, etc) with those that are not rumored to be getting consideration and who would seem either obvious or creative choices would serve to further highlight the egregiousness of DG’s incompetence. I trust the BN leaders to handle this in their typically efficient and thorough way should they so choose to do so.

Hail to the Hills of Westwood.

by Mr. Hilgard on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

71%?

REALLY?

There has to be some troll voting in the Tressel poll.

Didn’t anyone read that post? Patroclus laid out the Tressel history and it’s clear this guy has no ethical standards.

I read some comments in the Tressell post that were akin to “well…what if he promises NEVER to do it again?”

Cheating coaches are like pedophiles…the recidivism rate is very high. Two cases in point…John Calipari and Lane Kiffin. They will cheat everywhere they go, then bail before the shit hits the fan.

(Anyone want to lay odds on the next Trogan investigation and which NFL team Lane will bolt for?)

Anyway, I have no interest in bringing poison like that into our program.

by Nigel on Dec 9, 2011 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

Suspend the "next coach" blogs...

And put a full press on DG alone…I’m sorry we shouldn’t even be talking about new coaches until this jacka** is out of UCLA and running home with his tail b/w his legs. I’m just pissed now that this moron is making UCLA the butt of every joke in the NCAA. This guy needs to go, because we are going to need a new basketball coach too and I don’t want him to do the hiring for that either.

by Trojanswearskirts on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

From a fan post started on Monday.....

Here are the top 20 candidates suggested by BN bloggers to replace DG:

Craig Littlepage – AD, University of Virginia
Butch Worley – Deputy AD, University of Texas
Mark Hollis – AD, Michigan State University
Kiki Vanderweghe – UCLA Alumni
Randy Cross – UCLA Alumni
Troy Aikman – UCLA Alumni
Jim Sterk – AD, SDSU
Rick Neuheisel – UCLA Alumni
Ann Meyers – UCLA Alumni
Gary Beban – UCLA Alumni
Cade McNown – UCLA Alumni
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – UCLA Alumni
Cormac Carney – UCLA Alumni
Bill Walton – UCLA Alumni
Tom Jurich – Lousiville University
Gene Bleymaier – Former AD, Boise St. University
James Washington – UCLA Alumni
Ian McCaw – AD, Baylor University
Jamie Pollard – Iowa State
Mark Cuban – Owner, Dallas Mavericks/Billionaire

Although a few of these are a bit peripheral – I’d expect that any one of them would have better organizational skills and processes than DG.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bleymaier for AD!

former Bruin, built Boise St. up and is everything Dan’s not. Blue turf, Nike Pro-combat jerseys and Chris Petersen have put Boise St. on the map while Dan just sucks.

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I just think...

….since one of the main objectives is to have DG terminated as AD – that providing Block with a suitable list of candidates (preferably 5-7 not 20) would be reasonable.

Also make DG a little more uncomfortable.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

My top 5 for AD

would be Bleymaier, Sterk (really put SDSU back on the map with good hires), Vanderweghe, Cross (we know he really cares) and Hollis.

Now my top choice to replace Block, would be Chancellor Chuck! Bring back Chancellor Chuck!

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Chuck was AD when my folks were at UCLA in the 60s and he was still there in 94 when I graduated. UCLA’s atheltics exploded under his leadership . . . does Gene Block ever pace the sidelines at football games?


Oh, and one more thing . . . after UCLA, Chuck went to Florida . . . how have their atheltic programs done in the past decade? Exactly.

by charnaw on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck def. had his pluses and minuses

He was pretty passionate about sports. No doubt about that and we loved it. However, the decisions made wrt to coaching hires under him were suspect. We had the hoops debacles in the early 80s and then resulting in that infamous “national” search in 1988.

He also should have fired Donahue in the early 90s when he clearly didn’t seem all that interested in maintaining our high levels of success from the 80s. Things started going towards downward trajectory (a gradual one) starting in the 90s and Chuck didn’t take quick steps to address it (Dalis should have been fired at least 6-7 years before he “retired”).

So it’s a mixed bag with Chuck but he is certainly more preferable to Carnsale. As for Block, I am still going to give him short term chance to see how he handles Guerrero and what will likely be search for a new hoops coach.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck was a big booster of UCLA athletics, BUT

according to, I think the UCLA alum on 710 (Ireland?), it was Young’s insistence on “reforming” athletic admissions to mollify the faculty senate in the 80s(?) that led to tighter restrictions that have since substantially impaired our football coaches’ ability from recruiting the necessary athletes to compete. He said on the radio that was the main reason Donahue’s teams faded near the end. He couldn’t get in the same athletes he could before.

Not sure the wins/losses record of TD support that theory, but If that’s true, then Young might do the same as Blochead today.

by uclahy on Dec 9, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Good info

As far as I know, academic restrictions got tougher after Toledo, not at the end of the Donahue days. I had never heard this but it is intriguing.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Charnaw - I think you meant Charles Young was Chancellor in '60s -70s

JD Morgan was AD. I was there in the ‘70s. And if you’re not familiar with this story, you’ll probably like it, because it shows the kind of man Morgan was: Morgan used to sit near Coach at basketball games. Sometimes he would get so fired up that he’d get in the faces of officials when they made bad calls. I’m told that primarily because of Morgan, the NCAA made a rule forbidding ADs from sitting with the teams on the sidelines. Morgan took no prisoners – he’s probably rolling over in his grave with this situation we have now.

by BCAisaBruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Great story

There’s a reason why the building bears his name. He set the standard. Nothing at UCLA will ever be named after Dan Guerrero.

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Florida did ok for themselves w/ Chancellor Chuck

:)

I know I wear more blue to the Rose Bowl than Dan does, and I’ve never seen Block at any football games

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

haha

’cause Mark Cuban, billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks wants to be the AD for UCLA

by Bruin on Dec 9, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Has BN done a poll of readers for a new AD?

I’m an older alumnus and new to your site, so I don’t know if you’ve done this already. You could take your list of Top 20, which is quite good, and ask readers to pick one. See how they stack up. It could be very interesting, and perhaps this data will get to the Chancellor and help him. Just an idea for you.

by BCAisaBruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not a big fan of polls but....

….if you like – I can do it on a fan post.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting List!

Although, as an Iowa grad I’m surprised Jamie Pollard from “Moo U” got on this list.

Cross, Aikman, Beban, – and especially Carney, would be great!

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Scott Wolf is not a reliable source

he is the LA Daily News’ USC beat writer, who has become famous as a font of incorrect or stale info about the Trojans. USC fans may remember his classic “CJ Spiller to USC” recruiting update from years ago.

If I were you I would adopt the USC fan’s plan for interpreting Scott Wolf “updates” — wait for confirmation from another source before you put any stock in it.

by ilium55 on Dec 9, 2011 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

Good suggestion

But we have heard from other sources that at least for now Mora’s lobbying effort is fizzling due to pushback from donors and the negative feedback here.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Good for you guys

I want the rivalry to be back in the national spotlight, Mora is not the guy to do that.

by ilium55 on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It's gotten to this point...

A Deseret News columnist tweeted that Bronco Mendenhall (BYU) has withdrawn his name from consideration.

Didn’t even know he was being considered. Of course not good news that we were turned down, but it offers the slightest glimmer of hope that good coaches are being considered.

by Westwood Wizard on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

Yep

Bill Belichek and I have both withdrawn our names from consideration, although my withdrawal has to be considered tentative at this point.

by Fox 71 on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Aww, maannnnn....

You were my top pick for the job!

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Desperation

I think the Tressel poll just speaks of how despeate the Bruin faithful is to be relevant again. Given the other names out there the poll basically asks. " Do you want the Bruins to suck for another 5 years", or “Would you take the gamble of possible sanctions to not suck”. We just need some better options, and Mendenhall is a better option.

by wizardofoc on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

I know the debate of tressel continues

But has anybody else heard that, as of last night, sark might be a real possibility. If this is what the donors are looking at, I think I’m beginning to lose all hope that we have anyone in there that is serious about football.

by bruin578 on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

I doubt it

We have not heard from any credible sources that Sark is a possibility except for Sark’s lackies doing campaign via LA Times writers to angle Sark for a payraise from UDub.

All Sark is doing is running a PR stunt hoping Chianti Dan will be stupid enough to call him and then play him to get a raise out of UDub.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I can only hope

Dan has something big planned. Otherwise, this has been so badly mishandled it’s embarrassing and Block should recognize it. The firing before the game, no one in line, we’re losing Mastro-who I believe was big for our running and passing game. This better be a big surprise for Christmas and Dan hasn’t just been scrambling.

by bruin95 on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

eu

You should fanpost this. Thanks for speaking up.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea crap, this turned out to be MUCH longer than I thought. Hard to judge the

length of the posts when you only have the little dialogue box to go by. Accordingly, pardon the length.

B.F.

by eubruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

SATs much higher now at USC

I heard that during the Pete Carroll era, the SATs scores had gone up substantially at USC and are still that way. It got people to get excited to go to USC, and therefore led to higher entrance requirements.

by edflick on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Always great to see you back around here

excellent post.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said eu

One has to look no further than Notre Dame to see what football can do for perception and rankings. They are no better than 50th in nearly every major graduate ranking, but somehow considered #15 overall (US News and World Rept, FWIW). #15 is probably pretty close to the general perception out there – I’ve always wondered if without football that would still be the case. You can throw SC in that category as well.

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup, as someone who attended U.C.L.A. between the years 2004-2008, this is

a particularly ill-received fact of life:

“Until last year, UCLA had beaten USC every year since the magazine began its controversial rankings of colleges in 1983.”

I am NOT a fan of rankings and find them utterly useless as an indicator of the quality of education, but I am also a grad student. High schooler’s look to the USN&WR rankings for ‘help’ when they choose a school and it undoubtedly impacts their decision in one way or another. It’s time that Gene wakes up and realizes that he’s letting the growing leak in our hull sink the entire ship, including his beloved Captain’s quarters.

I witnessed first hand how SC’s rise in the rankings coincided with their dominance in football. Causation? Surely not, but there was a high degree of correlation, and the excitement around the school certainly didn’t hurt the admissions office.

Here’s the source as I don’t want to link: “USC again beats UCLA in college rankings”, in LA Times, Sept. 13, 2001

B.F.

by eubruin on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I think those rankings are useless too, but there are plenty of people who don’t – and unfortunately some of those people are the ones that matter most – e.g., incoming freshman and their parents. I will, however, say – and I left this off my initial comment because it is snarky and based on my own limited experience – but as someone who has been in science/biotechnology for almost 20 yrs now, you don’t see many high impact papers/work coming out of SC or ND. In fact, they are both at least 2-3 tiers below UCLA – in nearly every subspecialty. But I would venture to guess that a lot of non-UCLA, non-scientists might think that those 2 are in the same league as UCLA. And I think a lot of that has to do with people unconsciously associating the prestige of those schools’ football programs with prestige in everything else. Unfortunately we have the same dynamic now, but in reverse.

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree.

In terms of the quality and quantity of scholarship produced at ND/USC/Ohio’s of the world contra U.C.L.A. there is no comparison, and this is not limited to the sciences, Nocal.

As a historian I come across research conducted at U.C.L.A. far more often than I do at those three — to single them out — combined. This is, of course, anecdotal and wholly without any real merit — just an observation of mine.

It’s a shame that prospective students often do not take the time to research a school beyond their ranking. If they did so, they’d point to Professors such as Baldwin, Ruiz, and Corey as their reasons for going to a school, not its 10-2 football record.

There is, of couse, a club of schools who still manage to do it all at the same time (read Stanford) and it appears that our membership was not renewed about 10 years ago. It’s aggravating and a real shame.

B.F.

by eubruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, good to know.

Having 2 anecdotes is better than having 1 – and certainly better than none. I suspect this pattern exists pretty much across the board. Maybe by some miracle the powers that be will give us something to brag about that’s a little less nerdy…

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You got that right. We can hope, right?

Let’s just be honest, people don’t hit up BrewCo or Maloneys to celebrate our most recent Fields medalist or Nobel laureate.

B.F.

by eubruin on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

NEWS FLASH: Mike Leach is NOT COMING to UCLA!!!

Why are we still crying over spilt milk? 80% of you are not going to be happy with anyone who is hired unless it’s Mike Leach and his gimmick “high powered” offense. Sure, if you’re happy with 7 or 8 wins a year, ZERO conference championships, & QB’s who pass for 4,000 yards yet still don’t get invited to the Heisman ceremony due to the “system” label.
UCLA has “too much integrity” for guys like Tressel or Butch Davis? How much integrity was in use when agent Josh Luchs was paying Sean LaCapelle & 7 other bruin football players & sending Jonathan Ogden to “free” Janet Jackson concerts How much integrity did we have during Toledo’s hadicap parking scandal? It happens EVERYWHERE… Just dont get caught. I really doubt Tressel is gonna misbehave while he’s under the microscope at his next job after OSU. Stop acting like this school is a stranger to hiring coaches with questionable backgrounds when we just got rid of one. Petersen’s has a few violations himself at Boise & you wanna hire a guy that locked players in an equipment shed at Texas Tech??
BRING ON TRESSEL OR BUTCH DAVIS!!!!

Go Bruins!!!

by dantana on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

get out of here

you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re offering nothing

by Odysseus on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

this is why we get a guy

like Mullen or Briles. They can come in with clean reputations and are good football coaches. They have a chance to bring UCLA back to its glory days. God I hope Dan goes this route. I really believe players will actually pass on the Mora/Tressel gimmick.

by bruin95 on Dec 9, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry

just read the update mora out as candidate

by bruin95 on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Take a breath, dan. Breathe in. Breathe out. Just relax.

Now go find the meds, and go back into your room and lay down. For what it’s worth, you might want to find a topic you actually know something about before you post next time.

by Fox 71 on Dec 9, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

those are facts... look 'em up.

Just shows you no one is allowed to “disagree” with the Mike Leach movement

by dantana on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

what are you talking about?

we’re over Leach. We are well aware that he is the coach at WSU. There was never unanimity that he was the # 1 choice.

by Odysseus on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Fact:

You are ill-informed and have the moral values of a cockroach.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No they aren't

Dantana,

This is unbelievable, you to have been locked in a closet yourself or work for spaeth communications to actually believe that crap your shoveling. Now I’m not to take the time to explain to what really happened at Texas Tech. Other than to say this, the individual that Mike Leach was accused of locking in a shed admitted in a legal deposition he was never locked in the shed. Furthermore he also admitted he was told not go in the shed. I honestly don ’t know what its going take for some of you people finally get it.

by pspack on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Well, it seems to me that no news

is good news, because it means that Mora “Jr” has not been announced as HC. I do believe that he was being seriously considered but that strong opposition by BN and some insiders who actually looked at his record turned his campaign aside. I have never put much stock in the Tressel rumors, because he would be the exact opposite of a “safe” hire — seriously damaged goods. So I believe and hope that the search has moved on. Three or four million dollars has got to buy a lot more than either of those guys.

by ReineSeite on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

DG is busy anyway....

I am sure the press wants to know more about the dismissal of Reeves Nelson from the team today.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/reeves-nelson-dismissed-from-ucla-basketball-team-friday.html

I am sure DG will just defer to CBH.

by tazmiami on Dec 9, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

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