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UCLA Hoops Roundup: "Bruin Block Party"

I am not sure how much we can take directly from yesterday's win.  Oregon State is a bad team with a lousy coach.  As the Trojan Times never-give-UCLA-credit writer Ben Bloch leads with the goofiness at the end with the walk-ons and notes the following:

UCLA won a game in which it committed 26 turnovers, gave up 24 offensive rebounds and yielded 31 more shot attempts to its opponent than it took. Those numbers were offset by the Bruins' shooting 48.7% to Oregon State's 32.9% and attempting 20 more free throws than the Beavers (9-15, 4-9).

As far as Howland was concerned, the statistic that mattered most was that his team improved to 17-0 this season in games in which it has held at least a 10-point lead.

"I would like to keep that streak going," Howland said.

UCLA's 13th consecutive victory over Oregon State — the longest active streak by a Pac-10 team over a conference rival — appeared to be a given when the Bruins raced to a 24-6 lead thanks to suffocating defense and some dazzling plays.

I think there were a lot more positives than that to the game but there is a caveat that this is probably the worst offensive team we have played this year, certainly this far along in the season.  (Princeton offense, no way.  CHP press hard and hope for the best offense, maybe.)  On the other hand, UCLA's defense was very good for most of the game and while the gaudy block statistics may be in part due to Oregon State not even understanding the concept of a shot fake, the Bruins are definitely playing good defense recently.

Star-divide

With Tyler Honeycutt looking like a human fly-swatter, Howland and the Bruins eventually breathed easy. Honeycutt had eight blocks, the most for the Bruins since Jelani McCoy had 11 in December of 1995, to go along with nine points, five rebounds and five assists but seven turnovers. UCLA tied a school record with 16 blocks and simply denied the Beavers time after time. . . .

The Bruins jumped to a scorching start Saturday. They held Oregon State to 2-of-16 shooting in the early going, and it looked like UCLA finally was turning over a new leaf.

They were overpowering the Beavers with a frustrating perimeter defense that forced poor shot selection and drained the shot clock.

This game never felt like it was in doubt.  While Honeycutt's gaudy numbers were interesting, it was nice to see Brendan Lane have a nice game under difficult circumstances:

He didn't expect to play much Saturday, but Howland called his number early and Lane delivered. He finished with five points and six rebounds in only 10 minutes. It was the most he has played since getting 12 minutes at Arizona on Jan. 27, his most points since he had seven Jan. 20 against California and his most rebounds since he got seven against Washington on Dec. 31.

"When I got in there I just wanted to play hard and today just felt good," Lane said. "I was just trying to play aggressive and hard and get rebounds, just do whatever I could."

Lane was a key member of UCLA's rotation early in the season. He averaged 23.2 minutes over the first 15 games, but has production started to taper and his playing time decreased to only 10.1 per game over the last nine games.

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"The funeral really puts everything in perspective," he said. "It really makes you appreciate what you have. Just being able to play this game, I knew coming out here I have to play hard every game. Don’t worry about other stuff. Definitely getting away mentally helped me be more focuser and relaxed."

While it was nice for Lane to have a good game even against lesser competition, long term the continued development of Malcolm Lee is a key to this team's future.  There is a good article with some interesting quotes about Lee that I cannot do justice here in excerpting.  It begins with Howland praising Lee's defense yet again after a game (sometimes repetition is good to hear) and details how Jared Cunningham (Lee's man) went 4 of 15 from the field.  The article also notes how Lee led the Bruins in scoring again, for the ninth time this year.  Hmm best defender and leading scorer, that makes me think of. . .

[On his defense] "When I would go into a game as a freshman, it usually was to guard a scorer," said Lee, who is following in the quick moving, talented footsteps of at least three of Howland's better perimeter defenders -- Cedric Bozeman, Arron Afflalo and Russell Westbrook.

"Sometimes (Coach) tells me about Ced and how he would close out his man on a drive," Lee said. "He likes to talk about Arron and Russell, and Alfred Aboya and Luc (Mbah a Moute). He compares me to Arron sometimes." . . .

[On his offense] "I wanted to be more aggressive," he said. "Not settle for jumpers.  "

I've always been more of a slasher and mid-range jump shooter. I wanted to get back to that."

While it was not quite the "breezer" CBH wanted it was close and the Bruins continue to take care of business.  A final note that was discussed in the articles but quite frankly a better job was done here by the posters on BN.  The last 58 seconds where the Bruins emptied the bench, the walk-ons came on and Oregon State's first team kept pressing forcing CBH to put our starters back in. 

LVBruin makes a good point when he wrote: "I think that the onus is on the losing team to decide when to stop playing." Gen2Bruin1987 argues the other side: "I think the classiest thing that Robinson could have done was empty his bench when CBH brought out the walk-ons."  And insomniacslounge may have summed it up best:

"Yeah, it was interesting that he left in his 1st team and still pressed- giving the impression that he was playing to win. But then once the starters were back in and eventually got the ball across the halfcourt line, he elected not to foul." 

In any case it was strange and maybe an appropriate ending to a game that was never in doubt but full of statistical oddities. 

As Tydides noted:

It's difficult to really draw any conclusions from a game like this against a bad team like OSU. What we do know is that we've now cleared our schedule of most of the "easy" games, and the final six conference games will go a long way in showing us what this team really is capable of.

Bruins had a mini-party on Saturday, one they have earned.  Good job and keep it up, especially on defense.

Go Bruins!

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The best thing

about this game is we found a way to win, we overcame one issue (TO) by steping up in other places. It’s never a bad thing to have more than one way to win.

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't go to yours." -Yogi Berra

by SLC_Bruin on Feb 13, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Does anybody know

the turnover numbers for other teams facing OSU this year? I know their offense sucks, but their defense is good and is geared to getting turnovers. They led the nation in steals coming into the game. Perhaps we can get at least some sense of the relevance of this win by comparing our TO numbers against them to other teams. I’d guess we’d still have more than most, but perhaps the number might not look quite as disgusting.

by bcbruin on Feb 13, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

Less disgusting is still disgusting. And I just checked some numbers — when OSU beat Arizona, AZ only had 5 more TOs than their average (19 vs 14). When they beat WU, WU had 13 TOs, which is their season average. So, by the numbers, as the Bruins turned it over against OSU 10 more times than their season average and AZ and WU were substantially below that number even in losses, it appears that the Bruin TO numbers were even more disgusting than we could have expected.

by bcbruin on Feb 13, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

We always seem to get them in bunches

And although it can happen at any time, I notice it seems to happen even more when we’ve had a good run offensively. All of a sudden everything gets sloppy and everyone wants to make the fancy play. It’s not that I don’t understand that mentality because I kind of do, but that doesn’t mean that we as fans have to like it.

by Tydides on Feb 13, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it everyone

or is it mostly Honeycutt? I could be wrong, but I think he’s the chief offender when it comes to getting sloppy on good offensive runs. I think when he’s made a few good plays in a row he gets overconfident — feeling like he’s “in the zone” and can do no wrong — forgetting that teams will make adjustments on him. Playing more uptempo also could still be accounting for some of the turnovers — though by this point in the season that shouldn’t be a factor seeing as how they’ve been practicing pushing the ball all year.

by bcbruin on Feb 13, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well since Honeycutt has the most TOs on the team

It’d make sense that he’s the primary offender. In addition, I do appreciate with Zeek has been able to bring to the table this year, but his turnover rate is also quite high for a point guard, but from what I recall, his turnovers seem to happen more under pressure and not at the end of offensive spurts. Lee, Smith, and (surprisingly) Nelson have had a pretty low turnover rate though.

by Tydides on Feb 13, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Er, not that you didn't already say that

Sorry. But yeah, can’t seem to find a turnovers on defense stat… closest I can find is an average of +2.4 turnover ratio per game, and that at least 25-30 teams have more opponent’s turnovers than OSU. (But you’d really need a turnovers per possession stat to be accurate).

by Magnusblitz on Feb 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Pomeroy has a TO/possession stat on his site

not on the main page, but on the individual team pages, ans as part of his “”http://kenpom.com/stats.php" target="new">four factors".

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Feb 13, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

OSU had 11 steals last night

which still leaves 15 turnovers we committed ourselves…

by BruinEngy on Feb 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Way too many turnovers or "thefts."

A lot of them looked like we were overestimating ourselves and underestimating the opposition. Again.

I counted at least half a dozen lazy passes that were scooped up by a team that was only being marginally opportunistic.

The “overconfidence” by our team — one that has struggled in almost every game, and lost a few it should have won — is very disquieting. Maybe CBH needs to woodshed them again.

by BrendonBruin on Feb 13, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm guessing about 3 to 4 of the steals were due lazy passes

and had nothing to do with OSU pressing. So on the whole, our ball handling was awful.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 13, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus the incredibly lazy pass by Reeves towards the end of the game.

Zeek made a big play to save it, but man, sometimes I think Reeves and Tyler H. just go foggy in the brain! That would have been another to.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 13, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Nelson does three or four of those

per game, it seems.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Feb 13, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Keep in Mind

Zeek was hurting and did not really play PG. Most of the game Jerime ran the point, even when Zeek played with him. While Jerime only had two TOs, the offense was a bit off for much of the game.

by DCBruins on Feb 13, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Per Pomeroy, OSU ranks 11th nationally in creating/drawing turnovers

As magnus noted, they rank #1 in steals; overall, they create turnovers at a rate of ~ 25% greater than the average D-1 team (25% of defensive possessions = TO’s, compared to 20.4% average nationwide).

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Feb 13, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

On average, given the pace of yesterday's game...

OSU should have drawn 18-19 turnovers on D, so there was some sloppiness of ugliness on our offense, regardless of how good the Beavers typically are in taking the ball away.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Feb 13, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at conference play only
  • Oregon State is 1st in the conference, forcing turnovers on 23.2% of possessions
  • UCLA is 10th in the conference, turning the ball over 23.2% of the time
  • Oregon State is 1st in the conference, getting steals on 12.6% of possessions
  • UCLA is 10th in the conference, allowing steals on 11.1% of possessions
  • UCLA is 9th in both forcing turnovers and steals, at 16.8% and 7.5% respectively

UCLA ended up turning it over on 35% of possessions in this game, though 3 of the 26 turnovers came near the end with Honeycutt deciding not to score on a fast break then the walk-ons failing to get the ball up the court. Remove those and it’s closer to 31%, which is still one of the worst games of the season but slightly better than in Corvallis.

Curiously, UCLA has won its 5 worst games in terms of turnovers. The team has done far worse when its eFG% is low.

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 13, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Another interesting thing

The Defensive Efficiency Rankings:

Overall
1. WSU – 92.0
2. UW – 92.2
3. USC – 92.9
4. UCLA – 93.5
5. Arizona – 93.8
6. Stanford – 93.9
7. Oregon – 94.0

Pac-10 only
1. UCLA – 96.6
2. UW – 98.0
3. WSU – 98.3
4. USC – 98.9
5. Stanford – 99.5
6. Oregon – 99.8
7. Arizona – 101.2

Without non-conference stats it’s hard to say for sure, but it looks possible that UCLA was as low as 7th in DE before Pac-10 play. So it’s a great sign that UCLA’s improved to first in conference play (and by a pretty good margin).

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 13, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at the box score

Looking at the box score, what stands out from this game is the large lead through basically all of the second half. The closest they got (with about 14 min left in the second) was like six or seven. But then the lead ballooned to twenty, and the game was no where actually being an 8 point game.

I think the turnover question remains as a key variable, but it’s hard to say if the moral from this game is turnovers are a bigger problem than we thought. I think the two games in the bay should start help answer this question. If we could just stay at 12 TO/game we could be really dominant.

All things considered, from the outside (i didn’t watch Sat’s game) it looks like this was one of the most dominant wins of the season.

by selby4000 on Feb 13, 2011 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

It was dominant

The game was never in doubt.

by DCBruins on Feb 13, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Though when we were up

something like 21-5, I somehow knew it would be about a five point game at the half.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Feb 13, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

24-6

Yes but CBH was playing. He went deep. He played Stover and Lane together. If it was a close game, I don’t think that happens. It was a good time to give more minutes to the bench

by DCBruins on Feb 13, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wins a win

Just don’t turn it over against Isiah Thomas in Washington. We had a hard time beating UW in Washington during our FF years. That’s going to be a really tough game. We have to be flawless.

by Strathmore&Gayley on Feb 13, 2011 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

Well, I was partly right

That one win was from his first season so none of his FF teams won up there.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 13, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Hec Ed

Is a tough place to play on the road, and the number of favorable calls they get there is disgusting.

Just for reference, 2007 at UW was where Alfred Aboya got a ball thrown into his face, no ejection, no technical, no FOUL even.

2005 At UW was where our game had, kid you not, 54 called fouls, and 63 free throws.

Ugh. I hate that place. Very, very bad memories.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Feb 14, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Case in point....
Amid his postgame radio interview Montgomery opined, “I’m about ready to jump off the bridge on this officiating.”

He got one technical foul, and nearly got another. “I just as soon they throw me out,” Montgomery said.

“They don’t care. They foul every time at every position and (the refs) aren’t going to call it every time. So, ultimately you are going to get down after a while. They are very physical because they are able to play nine guys throughout the game. They just do not care if they foul. They are not going to let you get to the basket.”

This from ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/23241/mike-montgomery-unhappy-with-pac-10-refs

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Feb 14, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Honeycutt plays the game like a video game player

To our video game players, is it just me, or does Honeycutt sometimes look like he plays the game like a novice playing a video game? He tries to drive with no where to go and ends up losing his handle. He forces out-of-rhythm three-point attempts in retaliation to the opposition’s threes, sometimes early in the shot clock. He forces entry passes when the pass just isn’t there. On defense, he tries to swat everything humanly possible. Regardless, he still fills up the stat sheet and puts together some great plays.

Honeycutt has a penchant for flashy plays, but I’d still question his basketball IQ. Once he puts it all together, we’ll have a hell of a player on our hands.

by Alanamaslama on Feb 13, 2011 3:43 PM PST reply actions  

Good points.

This is exactly why Honeycutt should stay another year or 2 to become seasoned. And the erratic play is evidence of why he probably will not.

He could be another RW. But it will take another year. But for someone with his tunnel vision I doubt anybody will be able to sell the idea to him.

by BrendonBruin on Feb 13, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points.

This is exactly why Honeycutt should stay another year or 2 to become seasoned. And the erratic play is evidence of why he probably will not.

He could be another RW. But it will take another year. But for someone with his tunnel vision I doubt anybody will be able to sell the idea to him.

by BrendonBruin on Feb 13, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points.

This is exactly why Honeycutt should stay another year or 2 to become seasoned. And the erratic play is evidence of why he probably will not.

He could be another RW. But it will take another year. But for someone with his tunnel vision I doubt anybody will be able to sell the idea to him.

by BrendonBruin on Feb 13, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Malkovich Malkovich

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Feb 14, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Good News, Bad News

The good news is that we beat a team we should beat. The better news is that we did it in a way where we did not fall behind at the beginning, struggle and even let a bad team regain the lead, and then pull it out at the end. This was a solid win where we were dominant throughout, albeit with a plethora of lapses in judgment with the ball.

This game gave us a vision of what we could be. Cut down the turnovers in half, to about 12, and we blow OSU out. My sense is that the players are starting to feed on winning, and the overall team effort has moved way up. ML and RN have turned into consistent players, who play hard every game. ML is so much better offensively than I could have ever imagined. ML was a gaudy 6-9 from the floor.

Having said of this, the bad news is that we still do not have a team that maximizes its ability. TH is always an asset and a liability. He is indispensible, and yet so frustrating. The turnovers and the defensive liabilities are far too prevalent. His shot blocking and rebounding are a tremendous asset. He loves the highlight reel assist, but has three turnovers for every one of those.

JS had another big game against a team without a real post presence. He always contributes, but the extent of his contribution depends on the size and quickness of the opponent. When he has to defend against a big player with good offensive skills, he gets into immediate foul trouble. I think he will have to lose more weight and work on quickness in the off season before he improves in this area. Until then, the team needs to cover for him.

JA had his first bad shooting game in a while. The team depends on him, and I hope this is an aberration.

Overall, this team still has tremendous upside potential. If TH could shoot a good percentage from the outside this would really make the team dynamic. I hope Zeek’s wrist and finger injuries heal quickly enough so that he can add his offensive game to his ball handling and defensive efforts. I love how hard he plays the game.

After the Arizona game, we all would have been very surprised to have won the next five straight. This team lacks the consistency to run the table through the rest of the tournament, but it would be nice to see tight play, meaning attention to defense, reduction in turnovers, and scoring out of our offense, as we move toward the Pac10 tournament and possible NCAA play. The team has improved, and yet still has glaring weaknesses and maddening inconsistency. Still every game is fun (and frustrating) to watch and we have a chance to win every game. Go Bruins.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 13, 2011 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

A few more small things from the Beaver game...

I love using the word “Beaver” in any subject line if I can…

Anyway, everyone had good points, and it’s clear the turnovers is still a problem with this team… just a few additional small things:

- Besides Malcolm Lee’s pronounced offensive surge, there was a little thing I saw him do that he’s been doing a lot lately that hit me… on fast breaks, he’s about the only guy on the team that is pointedly avoiding the offensive charge on his way to the basket. There was one basket where the defender stopped to take the charge and he deftly crossed in front in him for the reverse layup. It’s nice to see that evolution.

- Yeah, Zeke’s not the same with that cast. I’ve played with a soft cast on my hand before, and you actually can get used to it, but it takes a while, and let’s just say in the league I play in, it’s not exactly NCAA speed. Let’s hope he can adjust before the big games coming up, because it’s clear we need a solid ballhandler in the crunch.

- What I’m happy about this season, is that we’re starting to consistently play better in the second half than in the first (save, oh, the last three minutes of the game when we can’t make a free throw), and I think it shows maturity from this young team and also some good adjusting from the coaching staff, something we saw in the Final Four years.

- I still think Robinson is an okay coach… I mean, if you look at the players he’s working with, they’re mostly a bunch of A-League intramural players, and their offensive skills show it. To beat teams like UW and UA with a team like that shows some moxy, but obviously he needs to show some recruiting skills or it really doesn’t matter.

Fingers crossed we at least win the games we should win… it’d be nice to watch us in the tourney again… Go Bruins!

by twangus on Feb 14, 2011 1:58 AM PST reply actions  

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