#VetoSeto: Because UCLA Football Deserves Better Than THIS
by Meriones on Feb 3, 2011 3:01 AM PST
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We started National Signing Day by waking up to rampant speculation that Coach Rick Neuheisel had practically gift-wrapped the defensive coordinator position for Rocky Seto -- a 34 year-old "defensive quality control" assistant for that pillar of ethics and discipline, Pete Carroll.
Well, CRN's 4pm presser came and went. We have several more-than-decent gets in the form of DT Kevin McReynolds, WR Devin Lucien, OT Torian White, and all of our other new members of the Bruin Family. However, what we were also left with was the cryptic line: "We'll talk about coaches another time."
Sorry, Rick, but we are talking about coaches RIGHT NOW.
UCLA FOOTBALL DESERVES BETTER THAN THIS. No hysterics, no histrionics -- just history. We have been too faithful for too long and heard too many promises of our program "turning the corner" and "getting better" to settle for this. What is painfully obvious to anyone who has even remotely cared enough to follow Bruin football through too many winters of Bowl-less discontent is that there are numerous reasons why Seto must NOT be UCLA Football's next DC:
(2) Recruiting. There have been stories that Seto "should" be a benefit to our recruiting, especially given his youth and "energy." However, Seto's days as an assistant were spent learning the recruiting ropes as part of the staff which ran utterly amok under the most reckless and under-utilized compliance office since the days of SMU. Dan Guerrero had to weigh the pros and cons of bringing in one of our own, Neuheisel, due to his purported past with the NCAA. And now we're looking at someone whose entire professional life was spent at the feet of the most crooked coaches in decades?
Doesn't UCLA football deserve a MORE RELIABLE recruiter than THIS?
(3) Style. In Seto's narrow range of coaching apprenticeship, he has basically worked for one defensive guru -- Carroll. A coach who reaped the benefits of lower admission standards, players of questionable character (as evidenced by a ridiculous rap sheet of arrests and offenses), and unethical recruiting practices in molding an NFL-style, 4-3 defense. Now, after CRN reportedly terminated Bullough's services in favor of a DC who could be more versatile and more capable of utilizing our young speed to adapt to spread offenses and other formations and overcome our relative lack of D-line depth... he is considering a DC with nothing but 4-3 experience on his resume?
Doesn't UCLA Football deserve a MORE QUALIFIED coordinator than THIS?
(4) Discipline. At 34 years of age, Seto is barely old enough to be the brother of most of our players. Nearly all of his 11-year "career" has been under Carroll, where rappers, comedians, and sports agents roamed freely on sidelines, in locker rooms, and athletic offices, with no regard for rules or regulations, or the consequences that would result from breaking them. That kind of carefree and careless leadership bought U$C several well-earned years of lost bowl game revenue, lost scholarships, and lost victories.
Doesn't UCLA Football deserve someone MORE CAPABLE than THIS?
(5) Money. Donors, season ticket holders, alums, and casual fans have come to the Rose Bowl year after year to see one of our own return UCLA Football to its rightful place as a competitive football power. We don't expect a BCS Bowl every year... but it's been, what, OVER A DECADE since the last one? For THIRTEEN YEARS, we have been buying tickets, contributing to the program... and all we have to show for it is the free T-shirt from CRN's first year.
We deserve to have our loyalty, our commitment -- our FAITH -- rewarded.
In an age when a successful football team generates tens of millions of dollars not only for its own football program, but also for other athletic teams at the same school, and also stimulates goodwill and fundraising that benefits the entire academic institution, are we willing to give up the success both on and off the field that a proven coordinator can help generate?
Are we willing to bet the future of UCLA Football on an inexperienced, unreliably-trained, ill-fitting, unproven novice coordinator?
Doesn't UCLA Football deserve BETTER than THIS?
YES, WE DO.
M
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Well said, Meriones!
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 3, 2011 4:22 AM PST reply actions
I had a panic attack yesterday
I came aboard late, and the way I read what was being posted, the hiring of this trogan was already a fait accomplit. Now it appears that it is not. There is no way that this Cheatie Petie acolyte should be allowed within 10 miles of our campus.
I am tired of melodrama out of our alleged athletic department. It would be nice to have some honesty. I know that’s probably too much to ask, because our leadership does not seem up to that task. It’s pathetic.
Nor that skinny hottie in the bedroom scene
Right, Fox?
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
That's grand opera, gbruin.
We have La Traviata coming up at the end of April. Big chorus show, with great music. I wish I could convert a few more of you to at least give it a try.
We sign Shannon and not Seto
and I’ll watch 15 minutes of opera of your choosing, Fox. Who’s in this with me?
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
That's not punishment
One of my best dates was going to see Figaro at the Met in New York…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Whether or not the date went well
could have had nothing to do with your enjoyment (or lack thereof) of the opera!
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
I just can't understand...
what happened to Neuheisel over the past three years. How did he become so incompetent? How did he lose his agressiveness? Where is his leadership and desiciveness?
Can anyone with coaching knowledge/experience explain to me what went wrong with CRN? Three years ago he was the perfect fit. Now he’s a disaster!
well, by his own admission he cut corners on his way to success.
Corners he cannot cut while at UCLA. Then you add in the Morgan Center’s/Murphy Hall’s antipathy towards athletics and you get a guy swimming up stream without a paddle while blind folded.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Excellent write up
Another thing to keep in mind: what do Setonand CRN have in common: neither has any real DC experience.
I wouldn’t mind someone of Seto’s level of experience as OC given CRNs experience but this gamble is just super risky and idiotic
by silverlakebruin on Feb 3, 2011 5:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Well done
I also would add that the optics of hiring someone who so obviously bleeds cardinal and gold is just terrible. It’s one thing to be a Bruin grad/player who went on to be an assistant at SC. It’s quite another when your entire life (career, mentor, wedding, son’s name) is based on your love for SC. How could we ever trust that this guy was giving 100% for us when we play them? Horrible move. Don’t do it, Rick.
Oh, and GREAT post, M.
Super Post M!
Calm, precise and persuasive.
Now, how do we get to those who can make sure this hire never happens?
Do we have an email address for CRN?
We’ve been told DG doesn’t read his emails (great move Al Davis South — thank you Fox, good idea to stay detached from your fanbase and the people who pay your salary).
Just curious, where are the people who run the pay sites like Bro on this hire? Is there pushback on their sites? Are they pushing back too?
What can we do to get M’s post in front of the “wealthy alums”?
Great words call for action and dissemination.
sjh
Bro is about 80% pro Seto
But they all take their cue from the tracy pierson, whose confidential sources are all pro seto
by silverlakebruin on Feb 3, 2011 6:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Confidential Sources -- What a Wank
Of course, on a matter as dangerous as this hire, people who support it must remain confidential and their reasoning kept from the people it will affect.
I mean, we could not expect those sources to take a public stand, put their names to it, and give the reasons for their support, could we?
sjh
those sources would probably lose their jobs
given that they’re probably in the Morgan Center
Pierson does a great job reporting (he usually gets scoops well before Foster and other media), and he’s expressed several times in the past couple days that he has yet to form an opinion on a possible Seto hire.
If he's OK with that trogan's character, then he has forfeited any claim on integrity himself.
Would this guy have to take a long time forming an opinion if we thought about hiring Cheatie Petie, or Calamari? Hasn’t he figured out that Cheatie and Calamari are not UCLA material?
Excellent write up
The bar has been raised by the near inexcusable delay in this hiring to bring in the right fit in what is CRN’s most crucial year as the leader of this program. You can’t afford to let National Signing Day come and go and then bring someone aboard like Seto. You have got to bring in a good hire now. And for me, the issue is not so much that Seto is a trogan. If we were talking bringing in a Jeff Fischer or a Jack Del Rio, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. The problem is that Seto is a “Carroll trogan”.
Take your time and think this through, Rick. There are still some quality guys out there looking for work.
YES...YES...YES...
Well thought out and presented…and to your point
…THE PLAYERS DESERVE BETTER THAN SETO!!!
BTW – If they wanted someone with Trogan program connections, what about Ken Norton Jr.?
I flipped when I heard the rumor about Seto, too.
But my focus has been the ridiculous hiring and public relations process, the two month of delays, the reactive and not active management, the incongruity of supposedly waiting for a home run hire and winding up with an underwhelming new hire. And my speculation has been that the fault in this area lies mostly with the administration and the AD who have put stumbling blocks in the form of money and/or meddling or simple indifference into the hiring process and not CRN, who I have been very critical of for his on-field coaching decisions.
As for Seto himself, he may be excellent for all I know. Apparently, some people who know him think so, and apparently even CRN whose job is on the line for sure next year. Seto may be a young, dynamic, aggressive coach. He may be honest as the driven snow. As I’ve written, under these circumstances, he better be.
Like most, I, of course, not knowing these people personally, strongly prefer Shannon. The whole hiring debacle set us up to believe the delays were necessary to bring him in after signing day. And though he is reputed to be conservative on defense, which most of us do not like as a strategy, at Miami his defenses were excellent.
But as long as its CRN’s decision based upon whom he really wants and trusts to implement whatever defense he employs, and not one tainted by administration or athletic department issues of money or other entanglements, I don’t want to impose my outside judgement on his decision any more than i want the administration to do it. It’s CRN’s life, future, program and hot seat, not mine.
I believe this post by Meriones has been responsible. You can certainly question the young man’s experience. What I don’t like is the tone of some who use guilt by association to demean Seto personally because he is a Trogan or named his son Troy or he worked for Cheatey Petey, et cetera. I can’t stand SUC, my rival for my entire life, but we all have friends and coworkers who are Trogans, and while we hate losing to them, they are not tainted and neither is Mr. Seto, or Norm Chow, or anyone who is simply loyal to their school. Character assassination is inappropriate and unnecessary.
I was on the ledge yesterday because of the proof of incompetence by our football managers. I’m still extremely upset by it and have serious questions about the culture and support for the football program at UCLA, and that frankly, is on DG more than anyone. And CRN had better get it done on the field this year or he should be gone with the wind.
But if I’m making some guy walk the plank, how he saves himself is up to him. And if CRN freely chooses Seto, I will support him and all the Bruins as I always have and always will.
GO BRUINS!
Guilt By Participation -- Not Association
Seto’s entire claim to competence is that he worked closely with Cheetey Petey. He has no other relevant experience. And, the fact is that he was not a true DC under Cheetey because Cheetey let everyone know that he, Cheetey, was the true DC.
If you entire claim to fame is that you were the right hand man and participated very closely with Pete Carroll, then I find it hard to say you are not somehow responsible for the corruption in the program.
Seto cannot have it both ways.
He cannot say “I am prepared for this job because I have trained and learned from the master, I was there with him in a close relationship”,
and at the same time say “I knew nothing about all of the violations, the attitude, the approach to the rules”.
If he was not that close to Carroll, did not understand the program, and was so distant as to not know what was going on — his only claim to fame, his “proximity to greatness” is fallacious.
And, if he was that close to Carroll, and truly did not see what was going on around him, his blind eye renders him not competent to play a leadership role in a major program.
The truth is that no matter where he gained his “experience” he is not qualified to be our DC. We’ve already had enough training wheel failures in this program.
The program is on life-support. We are as far down as we dare fall. If you truly believe that the administration of this university could care less about football, one can see a scenario where if we continue to fail we see the administration try to move us to Div II status.
As to your statement, " It’s CRN’s life, future, program and hot seat, not mine."
I was the first person around here to say that CRN got to order his own last meal. But, he cannot order a meal that will poison a program, not just himself.
No Hy, it is not CRN’s program. It is all of ours. If he wants to make a bad decision, that damages his life, that’s OK with me. But, making a truly terrible decision that damages our program is not.
The opposition to Seto is not narrow minded bigotry. It’s based on the fact that his only experience is in a place that cheated and that his “coaching” experience there does not qualify him for a leadership position with our program.
sjh
I said you can question his experience. I said I prefer Shannon, absolutely.
That’s fair game. No problem with that. I just don’t like the Scarlett Letter nature of some of the personal attacks on Seto.
And you’re right. We all feel like we got poked in the eye, but that’s because of the way we’ve been left dangling by the athletic department and set up for a big fall if we don’t get a big guy. That’s not on Seto.
My guess is CRN prefers Shannon, too. That’s the easy, safe hire. And my guess is the admin is putting up a roadblock. And if that’s the case I agree Seto is unacceptable.
But, perchance, he really is CRN’s choice, and CRN knows his coaching life is on the line, then I’m not going to second guess him. I will judge him as he should be, by the performance of the team on the field.
BTW, I would never accuse you of guilt by association. I respect your excellent posts and read them avidly.
You missed SJH's point entirely, hy
Forget all about his coaching ability. Assume that he is a perfect coach, and is what we need to go undefeated next year. That’s a given.
Do I want him anywhere near our campus? Absolutely not. I can accept the fact that he lives and breathes ketchup and mustard, and that he worships at the base of tommy trOJan. Lots of otherwise reasonable people do that (and we can only feel sorry for them and try to help them.
SJH’s point was that it’s not just that he was a trOJan, it’s that he was a disciple of Cheatie Petie. He either saw what was going on or he didn’t. If he did, and did nothing, that reveals a horrible character flaw. He knew there was cheating and he accepted it and then ignored it. How can someone with a character like that be allowed on our campus? And if he didn’t know there was cheating going on, then he is hopelessly blind, and unworthy intellectually to have the four letters associated with him.
Or as SJH put it, much more succinctly, it’s guilt by participation, not association.
RN is a super recruiter of players.
NOT coaches. Poor choices have been made save for Palcic. After all this public comedy, I think 8 or 9 wins (prob not happ) in ’11 or see ya. He is as bad a manager as a coach. All one has to do is look at the BB team. Picked #2. DG was a BB player. Maybe he cares more there.
I don't get it...
First off…let’s forget for one moment that this "candidate" is Pete Carroll’s personal lick-spittle boot kisser who already has a dream job with his "hero-mentor-god-like deity" person carrying Pete’s jock for him…lets just get past that part.
Then…lets try to get past the great big giant middle finger, in your face, salute to the fans, boosters, alumni…(and this is going to be right back at you Rick and Dan if you hire this…!)
The bottom line is this guy is less qualified than the guy just fired. Less Qualified. Period. No experience with the defense you (Rick) say you want to run. No experience as coordinator (of any merit or value) and no….crap, did I mention the no experience part? Sheesh.
I’m trying not to read between the lines here…that our DC position is so undesirable that we can’t even get some guy from some monster Texas high school to come out here and coach the defense?!?! If that is the case, that is on Dan…that is on Rick…c’mon this is a terrible choice, Terrible. You cannot expect the long suffering supporters of this program to just take another body-blow…and then line up and put down their hard earned money for tickets and trinkets anymore.
If this hire happens we have to seriously ask what the hell have we been doing here for the last three years? How is "this" better than Dorrell/Norvell/Walker…who we couldn’t wait to get the hell out of here. This is not a "bright future" pick. Nope. Bad.
Since nothing is official at this point I’m not going completely overboard here (OK, maybe a little.) But, if this is a serious candidate for the DC’s job than we should push back and push back HARD. The whole way this search and selection process has gone continues to raise serious questions about DG and his temperament and judgment. The whole process has been run in a maximum effort to avoid public discourse and possible criticism, something DG clearly cannot tolerate or accept. Which is why this "candidate" seems so weird! DG has to know of the backlash and outrage and finger pointing this is going to generate….I don’t get it.
by GemCityBruin on Feb 3, 2011 7:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
How does Rick know Rocky?
IS it possible the over-the-top "hiring" of Rocky Seto is by design? On the surface, everyone here seems to find it impossible to fathom, but maybe there’s a method to this madness.
Prior to the leaked news of Seto becoming the DC, several voices had called for Neuheisel to stand up to Guerrero / Admin and force their hand in some way. Would there be a better way to galvanize the base – and in turn force the hand of admin — than to let slip that the next DC was going to be Pete, Jr.? Did he calculate that the blowback would be enough to loosen the purse strings? Was this his way of saying to admin, "OK, you’re going to tie my hands? Here’s what we’ll get."
I can’t even fathom how Seto garnered the attention of Neuheisel long enough to merit an interview. Did Rick talk to Carrier (as was reported) who in turn suggested Seto? I can’t believe Pete called down and suggested Neuheisel give Rocky a shot. Maybe some of you with connections or sources know or can find out how Seto first became anything other than a remote possibility.
Is Rick that smart? Is he that ballsy? I don’t know. But a pick that suggests Rick has lost his mind needs some explanation. Maybe Rick is certain that Seto knows enough to save Rick’s job. Hey, maybe, right? But like I said before, I can’t believe he’d put his "dream job" in the hands of a person he appears, at least on the surface, to have absolutely no connection to.
Are you...
…suggesting that Seto is..gahk…Rick’s Sarah Palin moment?
by GemCityBruin on Feb 3, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that
for fear of getting banned.
I've been thinking the same thing
That CRN is saying to DG and the Admin — “You want cheap, here it is. Now, see if you can get your fanbase to accept it” — hoping for the explosive reaction that has followed.
I hope that’s true.
But, the problem with that theory is that he has not “leaked properly” or “managed” that angle of the story well.
Were it true, we’d be hearing that Seto is the best candidate “we can afford” which would send the very clear message.
sjh
Is it possible for you folks in LA to get the temperture of this issue...
…beyond our site?
I like the Machiavelli aspects of this scenario, but is the “tone deaf” AD & Admin hearing the anger from other quarters that would get them to wake up and realize that for the FB/Men’s BB teams to be consistently in the upper eschelon - it takes $$$$ and a commitment?
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm Living In Exile in Texas
My morning papers show where the top 100 Texas kids are going to school. None to UCLA. We’ve lost the Toledo pipeline that brought us so many good players.
sjh
Did you say Skip Hicks?
As I recall, the first time he touched the ball, he went up the middle for about 80 yards, but got it called back for a hold or something.
I was thinking the same thing as well.
Ditto, 66 and palafox. There’s no way in anyone’s right mind that Seto will be our next DC for all the reasons listed in M’s article. This could be the smoke leaking leaking out from around the doors of an internal conflict, or more likely, some trogan-leaning media person thought it would be fun to ruffle the UCLA fan base. Is the approval rating on BRO really at 80%. Looks like the joke took a left turn. How disillusioned have UCLA fans become? Realistically, I think the likely scenario is that Shannon will be our next DC. If not, then I think there is no hope for UCLA Football.
by solidgoldsound on Feb 3, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Would you HONESTLY put this one past our administration, the one that thinks it can not advertise our sports, not advertise its own university, sign terrible TV and stadium contracts, sign terrible apparel contracts, go out of its way to appease large donors and alienate the lesser ones, not to mention not pony up the dough to fire or hire people in less than 3 months?
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
I don't put anything past our un-Bruin-like administration
So I guess you bring up a valid point. But that brings up another question… Does the administrative side get involved in the hiring of assistant coaches?
by solidgoldsound on Feb 4, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Don't overlook the fact
that the leak could have come from Seto himself…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
The question in my mind is why
he was put in a position to create a leak. Why in the world was he interviewed?
See another of my thoughts on how one might see this as Machiavellian Neuheisel.
sjh
More thoughts on my post that CRN may be fighting with DG and the Admin
CRN is seemingly too smart to have gone to slimers to raise the “cultural” issue. He must have known that the “interview” would not turn out well for UCLA.
Either CRN’s clutch is slipping badly or he is in a desperate battle with DG and the Admin.
I’ve been troubled by the slimers interview as I have been troubled by CRN’s behavior post season on all matters hiring.
Either he has totally lost it or is at war and playing the only cards he feels he has.
Of course, there is a card that no one connected with this process seems to want to play — the card of honest disclosure and discussion.
Had that card been played, we’d probably be a more unified and understanding fan base and group of alums.
sjh
Not One Penny
If this hire is announced, I will not donate one penny to UCLA until both CRN and DG are gone. Not one penny.
sjh
From the article
CRN: “I’m close,” Neuheisel said. “I’m going through some final decisions. I’m close but I still haven’t made a decision”
Ten pull your head out coach!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Then - sorry for the typo
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
It'll only take him 48 days
Neuheisel on Wednesday said he will announce a new coordinator later this week filling a position that has been open since Chuck Bullough was fired Dec. 18.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Suggests we'd pay the needed money...
Neuheisel’s search for Bullough’s replacement has taken extra time in part because Neuheisel’s first two choices (empthasis added) for the post, Stanford defensive coordinator Vic Fangio and San Diego State defensive coordinator Rocky Long, took other positions.
One of you guys should fanpost the OC Register article
and put more pressure by piling on Meriones post. You guys clearly have this blockquoting and linking thing down. Pressure these guys from all angles.
Certainly feel free to do so.
I did not want this statement of reasons to be mired in rivalry talk, name-calling, or other sophomoric personal attacks. I don’t know Seto personally, and my issue with him is not that he’s apparently been a lifelong $C fan.
However, I believe his incredibly limited experience renders him horribly unqualified for the DC position. CRN and the Athletic Department have too much riding on this decision to turn it over to someone who is essentially a rookie DC.
UCLA Football deserves better than THIS.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I don't think it's about the money as to Fangio and Long.
Even an HC position at a mid-level school in the middle of a resurgence like SDSU should be able to pay more than most BCS-conference coordinators.
And NFL money for a DC SHOULD be higher than NCAA money for a DC, I would hope.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
It's a tough call probably because of Shannon himself
CRN is posturing. Assuming Shannon has aspirations, DC at a failing program is a step down. Here’s hoping CRN sells him that it’s a good job and a stepping stone. Seto is a 10th pick, and obviously a giant failure for our program.
If CRN is using Seto as a bargaining chip,
to get Shannon to lower his demands, then this is a very bad idea.
Bluffers run the risk of having their bluff called. If this was, say, Shannon vs. Fangio, it could play out well either way. But, Shannon vs. Seto? Yeah, I want to buy your masterpiece, but if you don’t lower your price, I’m going to buy this lovely motel painting of a sad clown.
Shannon may want too much. If this is the case, find some of the many other very real benefits of coaching/coordinating at this great university. But, don’t try to prop it up against cheap schmaltz.
I'm not sure what is going on behind the scenes...
But it’s clear that Shannon would look at being a DC at UCLA as a step down. For us, it would be a huge upgrade. So hopefully there will be a meeting of the minds, regardless of the reasoning or how long Randy would stay.
What about an opportunity to prove his worth...
…take a bottom quartilr team and get them to the 2nd quartile…now that’s the stuff that glows in a resume!
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Agree -
Let’s see. I’m stranded on a desert island, and I can have either Jennifer Lopez or one of the Real Housewives of Poway. Hmmm. "I’m going through some final decisions. I’m close but I still haven’t made a decision."
If it’s that tough a call, CTSS, then you’re not the man to be making the decision. Go on over to Al Davis South’s office and turn in your office key and your parking pass.
No More USC Rejects
The Only Reason Norm Chow and Cheat Carroll were anygood is USC was Cheating all the Time. That Slimbag Mike Garrett win at all costs provided Cheat Carroll,Seto,Orgeron,Lame,everything they needed to win. I think Guerrero should get rid of Rick N. and Ben Howland now and provide us Loyal UCLA fans a quality program. There is no reason why UCLA Football and Basketball should not be in the top Ten every year. If Texas Christian and Boise State can do it why Can’t UCLA. Dan Guerrero wake up and take care of business.
by Carlos I. Carbajal on Feb 3, 2011 8:03 AM PST reply actions
talk about desperation...
…seriously, we’re going to have some inexperienced $UC DC calling shots in what may be RNH’s final year? For what? So he can help trash our program? Is this what 3 years of a bad program does? Makes a coach on the rocks pander to the lames across town? Win or lose with seto, will never hear the end of it. I can already hear the suc fans “you guys defense is pretty good now, WITH OUR COACH LOL”, or “thanks for taking care of our Alumni”. F that. No way. sorry to become crude, but if this is the way RNH wants to go out, I don’t want him taking our Honor down with him.
The football gods have put me in the lowest circle of hell
First, the NFL team I rooted for for 35 years hires cheatey petey (now I’m a niners fan), and now the rocky horror show. MAKE IT STOP!
poll?
Is there anyway that Bruin Nation could set up a poll or web based signature sheet that we all sign and send to Guerrero?
I have already sent him an e-mail (its dguerrero@athletics.ucla.edu, everyone should sent him one too), I think something from a huge group of bruins will pay dividens. Obviously we will need to send it in ASAP, b/c Neu is supposed to announce his decison this week. Maybe a 12 hour signature run?
re: poll?
Im sorry, Im just crawling out of bed barely awake. I just saw the poll, i don’t know if it was there before I wrote my post. I hope Neu and Guerrero see the results.
Thanks for the eMail address
Let’s flood his box…but please “stay classy Bruin fans.”
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
sure
see most of my comments yesterday
but thanks, anyway!
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
very well written, thank you
shocked to see the support for Seto on other UCLA sites
by DoubleTroubleBruin on Feb 3, 2011 8:38 AM PST reply actions
Thanks for the kind words, but the best thanks would be ACTION.
Recommend this article by hitting the “Rec” icon below the post.
Tweet links of this to your Bruin friends.
For those on facebook, share and like this article so it shows up on your facebook pages.
For those not on facebook, email this to all the folks you watch Bruin games with.
Link this article on other Bruin sites you visit.
AND, MOST OF ALL, be sure to send your thoughts to the AD’s office. Do it respectfully, without insults, name-calling, or profanity. DO NOT HARASS, because there’s no point in sending this 20 times from one person.
BUT, if EVERY person who reads this today sends a link, or just their own polite message of disagreement to this… just think what could happen.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
The poll question is wrong
Seto has 1 year as DC at U$C (not that it counted for much, but still, it’s prior experience).
Still voted “no”
Seto smarter than Norton
From other places I have read that Seto is much more a scheme guy than Norton and has more more understanding of Defense.
I also read that he can’t stand Lane Kiffin.
Lastly, he is well respected in the coaching ranks as having great character, great recruiter, loved by his players and was the guy at SC that set the tone at practice.
With that being said, all the stuff about him being a trojan, no formal experience is 100% true. I just wanted to lay out some of the positive I read on him.
Their is other baggage in Shannon that is flying around, plus he plays base D more than Bullogh.
The thing for me is the Lane Kiffin HATE runs deep. Norton has done well at Troy, if this guy is truely good I could live with it, even though his son’s name is Troy.
Sorry still not buying!
No toejams on our staff ever again!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Glad to see the positives like Hating Lame
If he recruits well, has aggressive schemes, and has ire for the kitten, he could work out. If he has another child and it’s a boy, we could ask him to name it Bear. If a girl, Bruinhilda. He could be good on rivalry day with angst re Lame.
Great read Meriones!
Lets hope the man still clinging to his passion bucket is listening!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.
Call me old fashioned...
but I can’t understand how a coach can work for one school then go to work for the rival school. Especially in a town like this and with a rivalry like ours? I just cannot believe that a coach can spend numerous years working to beat a rival school…preach the importance of each win over the rival year after year, only to seek out a job with the rival with a vow to do the same for the school that they assumably loved so much in the past. There’s no way that your heart can be 110% into it at that point. I know it’s just a job for many coaches, but that fact is scarry in itself.
For that reason (along with all those mentioned) I say NO WAY!!! No trogans on our staff. I can’t believe that Rick would even consider wagering his career on such a candidate.
There are different types of coaches
the ones who move around and spend a couple of years here and there are probably not as entrenched in their loyalties (i.e., DeWayne Walker, Norm Chow). But someone like Seto is a Trogan all the way. And that’s why someone like Ken Norton Jr. going to the dark side is so insulting.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Someone tell me how any player is supposed to respect Seto.
He does not have a lengthy or distinguished playing career. He did not play in the NFL. He’s not old enough to have ‘paid his dues’ and learned under a number of geniuses. He doesn’t even look like he’s ever spent serious time in the gym.
As a player, I’m supposed to look up to this guy? I’m supposed to aspire to be like this guy?
This guy is a joke.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Possible conspiracy theory?
What if CRN interviewed Seto with no intention of hiring him, but lets the name slip on purpose? If CRN was having trouble securing the funds from Dan Guerrero or Gene Block to hire Randy Shannon, why not say go to them and say, “Ok, we can get Rocky Seto for much cheaper, but we’ll be about as popular as the Frankenstein monster with the village.” I wouldn’t be surprised if DG or GB read (or get their assistants to read) sites like this when news of a potential hiring hits the airwaves. Just reading this threat, you have multiple people swearing to withhold donations, not renew season tickets, etc which equals a loss of revenue. If they are seeing this, that’s gotta give them more of an impetus to provide the funds to get Shannon. It plays to DG’s interest in that if CRN hires Seto and the wheels completely fall off the program, you can fire the whole football staff, but eventually the clamors for your head will grow too loud to be ignored.
I was nervous about going into NSD w/o a defensive coordinator, but now that it’s over, if CRN needs more time to leverage DG or GB to get Randy Shannon, I’ll bide my time.
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
I hope you are right
But I’ll be nervous until we get confirmation this guy is no longer in contention.
by bruinbabe2000 on Feb 3, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Guess I sohuld have read all the way down
Mods — feel ree to delete my post above, and this one as well.
NOT CONFIRMED.
That’s just the posting from yesterday morning.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I don't buy it...
the article was written yesterday at 12:56 a.m. and CRN said no decisioin had been made at 4:00 p.m. Until it comes out of CRN’s mouth, Seto is not in, and given the response from us faithful, I don’t think he ever will be.
How can this guy relate to alumni and school and tradition?
I am willing to consider that Seto may be a very bright defensive mind, good teacher, effective evaluator of talent, and have the potential to be a very good DC.
But I don’t see how he can do that at U.C.L.A.
Because a big part of his role will be speaking to and inspiring alumni and donors/boosters and potential recruits. And to do that effectively requires having a huge allegiance to U.C.L.A., and understanding the importance of beating our rivals, and having it in himself to honestly feel that same way – that beating *$c is as important as anything he does.
.
Because, if he tried to sell me that he really feels that way, I could never believe it.
A coach from another institution can come to U.C.L.A., understand our priorities, embrace them as his own, and become part of the team.
I could never go to *$c and sincerely do my best to beat U.C.L.A.
A man from *$c cannot, with sincerity, come to Westwood and do what is necessary.
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
I completely agree.
Not only that, a Seto hire will really make me question what CRN has been selling. I support CRN because he is one of us. He gets us. He gave us the passion bucket. He has talked about taking down “those guys”. I’ve long that that this was more than a job to CRN.
Hiring Seto would be a slap in the face. It would be telling us that he doesn’t want to beat “those guys”, he wants to be “those guys”. I don’t want to be them. None of us do.
Like you said, Seto may be a fine coach. I don’t doubt that he has plenty of football acumen. Fanbases are wrong about coaches a lot, and I don’t doubt that he has the requisite knowledge to be DC. Hell, there are a lot of coaches that have the requisite knowledge. But, what did CRN say about going a different with Bullough? CRN said that he went another direction because he was looking for more experience. What gives?
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 3, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
On every level
it just doesn’t seem the right fit. Which makes it all that more perplexing and disturbing.
gbruin
Do you work for the The New York Times???
Don’t see the periods much elsewhere these days.
Not a rap, just an observation!
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
I noticed it the other day
when the NYT linked one of our own BN articles. I thought it looked cool, and if the NYT does it (and note that the LAT doesn’t), it’s ok with me. Though it is much harder to type it.
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Truely "throwback"
Back when I started watching UCLA as a kid back here in the east in the 60s…all the papers used the periods. I think the NYT is the only media source using the 20th century iteration.
Hey, but I was hooked on the UCLA Blue and cursive numbers too!
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
It's NYT house style
Any acronym that has its letters said individually in speech, and not get spoken as a word (i.e., UCLA, WTO, KGB) gets the periods in the New York Times, so it’s U.C.L.A., W.T.O., K.G.B., etc. If the acronym is pronounced as a word (NASA), they don’t. Then they make things even stranger by not capitalizing all of the letters if an acronym is longer than 4 letters: NASCAR is Nascar, UNICEF is Unicef, etc.
by Westwood Wizard on Feb 3, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
But I don't think Strunk and White would agree!
Had to toss in old school.
But “seriously,” The Associated Press Stylebook lists the University of California, Los Angeles as “UCLA” and all other schools with acronyms without periods, i.e. BYU, UTEP;and even conference acronyms have no periods.
338 – Sports Guidelines.
by C.T. in Boston on Feb 3, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Supposedly a disciple of Wooden
“Rocky is a disciple of John Wooden, having made several trips to Coach Wooden’s home over the years, and Coach was very fond of Rocky.”
I don’t know if he is the right guy, but a job is a job. I have no doubt that if Rick picks Seto he will work to beat SC. Just like Rick coached to beat UCLA at Wash. Plus the guy hates Kiffin. And I heard he is a aggressive, blitz style defensive guy. Lastly, we’ll see, but through all the talk I have not heard of any other candidates to grab.
I have the same hate for SC, but if this guy can win, I don’t care. My biggest concern is he has not been removed from the SC culture for very long. You need to go elsewhere for a bit to put a little gray in that black and white loyalty.
All the positives...
seem like good points. He seems like a great up and comer which is the type of guy UCLA usually goes for given the $ issue. But if Randy Shannon was interviewed and is availabe to be UCLA’s DC, it’s very hard to choose great potential over a proven guy like Shannon.
Agree - I think Shannon was the safer established choice
but I heard he runs a very conservative D very little blitzing. I am just regurgitating things I have read.
Who cares whether his D is conservative or aggressive?
Just because you’re conservative doesn’ tmean you’re bad, and just because you’re aggressive it doesn’t mean you’re good!
Look at walker…. we over pursued on every single play. And we got destroyed certain games because of it.
All I know is shannon’s d’s were some of the best in the country multiple years running. That’s all I need to know.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
He didn't need much blitzing at the U
because of well designed schemes, excellent fundamentals (tackling, shedding blocks, and pursuit), speed, and an upfront pash rush.
It’s not to say he wouldn’t blitz if we couldn’t manage those things. Maybe he gets our D to actually do those things?
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Are you saying that the rules allow
a defender to shed a block and tackle someone?
That the first person with a chance to gets to tackle the person? That he need not “share” the opportunity by letting others touch the runner before he is finally brought down?
If so, when did that become the rule?
sjh
I don't think it's a rule
It’s just an option. Kind of like the deep forward pass.
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
What exactly does a "disciple" mean
in this context? Where is this quoted? So he admires Wooden and visited him a few times that makes him qualified to be our DC? And “hating Lane Kiffin” is not a real exclusive club either. All sounds like worthless spin doctoring to me.
I met Coach Wooden once.
I admire him greatly. I think Lane is a nimrod. Am I in?
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Oh, great
Now, we’ve got 11 candidates.
As 66 hypothesizes about above, what is your position on shedding blocks and tackling?
Last two questions of the interview...
1) How aggressive is your defense?
2) How much quality does your defense have? Are you in control of the quality of your defense?
I ask because some other candidates gave some very positive responses to both of these…
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Great Qs
And poignant, too. (LOL)
People in positions of quality control or quality assurance, in whatever industry or profession, should be made to answer no. 2). Responses could be collected on video, and submitted to America’s Favorite Equivocations.
"And I heard he is a aggressive, blitz style defensive guy."
The guy has no DC experience. NONE.
So, how can anyone say that with any certainty?
Do his Fantasy Teams play that D?
This is not a training wheels job.
Oh, and I love tying Coach to his star. If he understood the Pyramid, in any way, he would have stepped away from sc; instead, he was a participant in the dirtiest football program since SMU.
sjh
Hey
His NCAA 11 defenses are extremely aggressive! He’s won the national championship like 10 times!
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Fingers are crossed that your earlier posts were accurate
Shannon is better for the job.
So are muircoach and some of the other posters here.
sjh
So is a rock
Sitting on the sidelines. In a bruin polo shirt. Just a rock.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
I nominate
Joe Bruin. Just the bear, on the sideline. Not allowed to speak.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I nominate Ed Kezerian's towel. May it absorb forever.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
My cousin Shannon is a nice young woman, and is also better for the job.
So is Shannon Tweed, who is not my cousin. Likewise Mike Shannon, former St Louis outfielder. Shannon Airport is better qualfied, but will not leave Ireland. Shannon Sharp? Probably. I could go on, but I can’t think of any more Shannons.
Mentioning Coach
The Wooden thing has given me a little pause. Lets face it, Coach was such a giver that he had a hard time saying no to anyone. So the fact that Rocky got time with Coach really says nothing. What it does say is at least this Trogan knew were to look for guidance. What he chose to do with it is questionable.
You cant cast judgement just because he didnt quit his job. The man does have a family to support. The fact he followed Cheaty to Seattle is a little bit of another matter. However, I remember what it was like with young kids, a mortgage, saving for college, etc. and a well paying job’s value cannot be valued enough.
That said Shannon is my first choice, but if it is Seto, I wont slash my throat, even though I think I said I would yesterday..
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Feb 3, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
You Can Fault A Man For Not Leaving A Corrupt System
No offense intended, WVB, I am troubled by what appears to be a growing belief that so long as the paycheck keeps coming the source is not important.
I expect people with integrity to refuse to participate in corrupt systems no matter how great the paycheck.
Yes, I think we can draw conclusions about people, in all walks of life, who choose to stay in dirty places because they are being well paid.
sjh
Use Bear Stearns as an example
Lets be clear,I do Not Want Seto Hired. Look at my posts yesterday and that is clear.
Bear Stearns did alot of fishy shit, unethical and certainly lacking integrity at many levels. Still, not everyone who worked at Bear Stearns should be painted with the same brush as those who were running and corrupting the show.
What was Seto’s involvment in the mess that was SC under Carroll regime, I have no idea. I didnt see his name come up like McNare and I didnt read the entire report.
Maybe Rocky is a piece of shaate just like Carroll, Kiffin and Norton. But Chow was there too and his integrity was never questioned. He even considered going back as well.
I think Coach would be more understanding than some have shown. Maybe he wouldnt hire Rocky, but I doubt he would be as harsh as I was yesterday, and some are still being today.
by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Feb 3, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Lets be honest
Coach can hire whomever he wishes. He will, however, be responsible when fans refuse to show up or donate due to his choices. This isn’t a democracy, but we can vote with our dollars.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
If this is going to be CRN's last stand
he should pick whomever he wants. But this hire would just be in very poor taste.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Whomever he wants
so long as he meets minimum standards of competency and sports ethics.
It’s not his prerogative to sink the program with a terrible choice.
sjh
I don't think that trogan can be hired without compromising one's principles
Coach demonstrated his position on compromising his principles when he told Walton, “Bill, your teammates will miss you.”
I don’t recall an interviews in which Coach mentioned what a great guy that trogan is. I would like to check the source of the contention that Coach was fond of Rocky.
I suppose he might be a disciple of Coach and still not have the strength of character to stand up to Cheatie Petie and tell him that what he was doing was wrong. After all, a pretty famous disciple denied Christ three times before the rooster crowed. That disciple distinguished himself after that moment of weakness. I’ll be standing by for that trogan’s news conference in which he tells all he knows about the corruption he personally saw and participated in over there.
But I don’t expect to see such a news conference. And I hope never to see him in any news conference.
Lol. My line wasn't exactly Shakespearian, but I'll take the compliment!
That is honestly the first thing that comes to my mind when I see or hear that P.O.S.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 3, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just because coach was fond of him
Doesn’t mean he chose to associate with people with whom we’d rather not be associated. Personal attacks are one thing, but he’s lived and breathed the type of environment of which we want no part. Yes it’s a man’s livelihood but we’re not a charity. We’re a football team. Can you imagine a michigan “man” of qualifications similar to Seto being hired by Ohio St., or vice versa? Hell no.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
One of the things I hate most about the lizard
is how he wrapped himself in this kind and generous man and used him as a shield against those who were challenging him.
It made me sick.
CBH, on the other hand, truly gets it. He’s never banked on that friendship — only honored it. Never used it.
I am so sick and tired of people using Coach.
Down here in Texas we have a saying for people who do things like that, we say that they are “All hat and no horse.”
sjh
My Worry
is that the contract was already signed with Seto and CRN is now trying to undo it, thus delaying the process further. He had a LIVE Press Conference setup yesterday for a reason – it was to announce our new DC. Last year there was no such Press Conference even though we had a stellar class worth celebrating. If he was set to announce, I would imagine that something was already in ink. Hope I’m wrong and I hope Shannon still wants to be our DC.
I don't believe that's the case
From several indications, there is an announcement scheduled for tomorrow, from what i’ve heard. This is from the people saying shannon is our DC, which sort of got lost yesterday. May or may not be true, but I’ve heard it’s still tomorrow, and it’s still shannon. We shall see.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Just curious...
Do you have any links to an announcement tomorrow? I thought I saw someone else mention an announcement tomorrow, but was wondering where that info was coming from.
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
Prior to yesterday's press conference
the “allaccess” page on the official site had a press conference event listed for Friday, 2/4 but it’s gone now. Could have been an error and it was actually yesterday’s press conference, or?…
Hmm ok
CRN needs to take whatever time he requires to make the right decision, but it would be nice if he would let us know when we could expect an announcement, if only for the fact that I check sites like this waaaaay too much.
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
Upthread at 7:42 this morning
firstto100 linked this article, which stated
Neuheisel on Wednesday said he will announce a new coordinator later this week filling a position that has been open since Chuck Bullough was fired Dec. 18.so we know something will (should) happen. As far as an official announcement/release/press conference, dunno.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Thanks KSBruin
Nice definitive article.
Maybe CRN will line up Shannon and Seto and give one of them a rose?
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
by VABruin on Feb 3, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Give firstto100 the credit
for finding it; I just repeated it in case you’d missed it the first time.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
The Soap Opera Continues
hope you’re right! I’ve love to be a fly on the wall while DG & CRN discuss the various posts from BN, BRO & DG’s email inbox.
Oswego's not a BRO member
He said as much in my initial thread about the impending hire of Seto. I’m certain he got that from another UCLA forum like BruinGold.
Seto Supporters
Out of curiosity, are the Seto supporters over at BRO and some of the other sites well known, knowledgeable contributors?
I was pretty surprised to hear that the take on Seto is very different elsewhere.
Seto is a risk but has some positives - but do the negatives out weight
I read some of those on BRO and others. They are usually very knowledgeable as well.
Couple other Seto things I got, fro SC die-hard friends of mine, all say he is a great guy, awesome with kids, will never embarrass the program, hardest worker on the field. BUT none say he is a defensive genius because no one really knows.
He is born and raised Trojan. Has never been anywhere else in college. That is the scariest part. If he took the Wash D coordinator job a few years ago I would have no issue. He knows SC and that is it. But, what else is out there for us. It is Feb 3, who is the next best guy, with No Shannon, No Seto, …?
Great guy, awesome with kids, hard worker
Sounds like something he could post on match.com. Good for him. Still don’t want him roaming our sidelines.
Seto is the Manchurian Candidate...
Like Norm Chow, he’ll use his Trojan allegiance to gum up the works. Not enough to make you suspicious at first, but enough to make you wonder if he’s not secretly working for the school on the other side of town. Just joking…sorta…
Lawrence Ross
This is how paranoid we have become
to ACTUALLY wondering whether Pete is sending someone like this into our midst. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility. I used to patrol the parking structures hoping to catch some asshat from $C taping our practices. Apparently we’ve shunned away quite a few in recent years.
The point is, why is such a guy, a pete carroll $c retread, even if he’s the nicest guy on the planet, even an option?
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
I don't believe Shannon will be the DC because...
last night on ESPNU, when asked at the end of the day who had the best day/result, he was really high on $C – a little too much for my liking. I understand that he was acting as an “analyst” and tried to be “fair and balanced” (like the Fox Newsj/k), but for a potential coach to pump up his potential hated rival both does not sit well with me and also leads me to believe that he is out of the running. I know others will speculate that he wants to build up the Toejams so they fall even further when we beat them next year, but I did not feel that is what he was doing.
However you care to spin it
$C cleaned up yesterday. Average stars-wise, not as big as recent years, but they had one of the top 5 classes in the country, hands down. I am a UCLA homer through and through, and I am admitting this. Shannon certainly can.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
But why would he if her is the next DC at UCLA?
My point was never that $c did not clean up, they did. My point is that if you are going to be DC at a rival school why pump up their program. There were lots of programs that had great days, Auburn, Clemson, etc. – why not pick one of them because they arguably had just as great a day taking into consideration where they started. My point is simply this: If I, for example, were the next DC at Michigan I would not pump up the recruiting class at Ohio State. I may acknowledge it was good, but I would go as far as to say it is the best because 1) they will be my rival and; 2) there are other options. Suffice it to say that his comment created a “gut feeling” that he did not/will not get the job. I hope I am wrong however.
The reason?
That lucrative contract he signed telling him to be objective.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
100+ comments, but only 9 facebook likes and 7 recs???
Fellow BNers, if this is important to you, and if you have the time, I urge you to send out a mature and respectful message to the AD’s office, whether in 2 or 3 paragraphs or 2 or 3 sentences, or share this link with others, or reference it on the online comments pages of the local media covering the team.
I sent mine. Oswego and 66 and a few others have sent theirs.
HOW ABOUT YOU?
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I put this on my FB wall several hours ago
and forwarded to all the Bruins I know.
Won’t hurt, might help. Do it!
greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Bravo M!
100% on board with your take. For all the reasons stated by other posters, I just can’t understand why Seto is the guy. This is a disaster waiting to happen IMO. If CRN gambles on Seto, he better be the next Dick LeBeau/Dom Capers or he better start asking for quotes from moving companies.
After looking into Shannon more, I don’t want him either. I think it’s a huge risk for UCLA. If you think things are bad now, it’ll be even worse. This DC coach has been a clusterf**k of epic proportions.
Nausea
I get so angry looking at the clown smiling next to Pete Carroll. I hated Norm Chow all of last year, I don’t want anyone who loved USC at any point in their career coaching our team.
by Strathmore&Gayley on Feb 3, 2011 12:02 PM PST reply actions
University of Spoiled Criminals
SC Idiots say you’re a bruin for 4 year’s but a Trojan is doing Life behind Bars. Cheat On
by Carlos I. Carbajal on Feb 3, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions
Sort of surprised
some people get worked up over what are fairly softball “personal attacks” on Seto….oh, BOO HOO. If you lower your standards to the point that you even consider attending that so-called university (let alone follow Cheat Carroll around to carry his jock strap), then you deserve what you get.
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