"College Football and Crime": SI.com reveals top-25 college FB programs w most (alleged) criminals
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Ha!
You would think $c would get more out of their 7 arrests… like Oregon.
"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't go to yours." -Yogi Berra
southern cal "police" and UCLA standards
Don’t forget that southern cal has its own privately owned and operated “public safety department”: rent-a-cops with guns, marked cruisers with sirens and red lights and arrest powers. One suspects that some incidents involving their student athletes are handled administratively so I would never give any credence to a southern cal crime statistic (they are all in the immortal words of double murderer and Nevada State Prison inmate and the face of sc academics and athletics—o.j. simpson—110% innocent).
These stats are incomplete because some drug violations (felonies and misdemeanors) are discovered as part of the drug testing programs and are handled by school or team physicians. This criminal conduct cannot be discussed publicly because a physician discovers the drug use and to discuss patient medical records is a violation of federal and state law.
That being said, we all need to thank Coaches Dorrall and Neuheisel that they did not go down the road of the schools listed in the report. And given the roasting they generally (and quite rightfully) get in these sacred blogging halls for their utterly awful loss-win records—they deserve props for keeping us out of that top 25 (ethical bottom 25).
And to CRN: a special thanks for unloading those thieves involved in the theft of the coed’s computer. That action and the message it sends to recruits and players alike will keep us off of top10/25 lists of “student athlete” arrestees.
There are times we have to step away to see the larger picture...
While generally CRN was supported by we of BN over the stealing issue at Ackerman last summer, there were many in the media who found his decision and actions too harsh. I agree with Peggy Sue, and think that there has to be zero tolerance of anything criminal, or even that which suggests lack of self-control and poor judgments (like throwing someone through a plate glass window like the guy from Pitt did).
by C.T. in Boston on Mar 2, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
ZT not always best idea
I like LaVell Edwards view:
Former BYU coach LaVell Edwards worked with one of the strictest honor codes in the country during his 28 years in Provo. Still, he maintains that coaches must be free to accept troubled players on a case-by-case basis.
“My natural feeling is I really like to give a guy a break,” said Edwards. “In my own mind I never draw a line. It has to be flexible. I don’t like hard and fast rules.”
by KnudsenRockne on Mar 2, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
And who is is referring to?
Was his zero tolerance that his Mormon player was chewing plug tobaccy or Jimmer McM was smoking’ wacky tobaccy?
There’s a big difference between someone stepping outside the extreme confines of Mormonism and people beating the shit out of civilians or stealing computers from fellow students.
by C.T. in Boston on Mar 2, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Disturbing trend
Background checks may become a common practice in recruitment. Even UCLA wasted three scholarships last year on freshman of poor character. Not sure if a background check would have revealed anythng in that case but if it had, UCLA could have avoided offering three thieves scholarships.
Meh re: Guess who made the list
All teams in the SI top 25 “made the list”—even TCU, which had no players charged. So the fact they made the list is, itself, not noteworthy. Seven arrests, on the other hand, is.
Police Records?
The table legend states that the number represents players with police records. It was unclear if this includes juvenile records. Can one obtain a police record without actually being charged with an offense (i.e. if you are arrested and released without charge, does that result in a police record)?
All-in-all, I’d say this is not as bad as it looks. And lest we throw stones while living in a glass house, perhaps we should investigate where we’d have fallen on this list should we have been a pre-season top 25 selection last year.
While not a surprise to see $C or Oregon on the list..
Stanford is a bit of a surprise. However, they only did checks on pre-season top 25. I’d hate to see what would fall out if they did check all BCS schools.
My two favorite teams are UCLA and whoever is playing $C.
Suprised by Penn State
Apparently Joe Paterno does not run the clean program he wants us to think he does. I was surprised.
They made the list with one charge
And depending on how they counted, last season UCLA could have had 3 charges
by KnudsenRockne on Mar 2, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
"What Mayhem Awaits You?
When I opened up the SI article, an advertisement from All State Insurance features Dean Winters as “Mayhem” (he did a fantasic turn as a sociopath with heart in HBO’s “OZ”), asking “What Mayhem Awaits You?”
Subliminal messaging or what?
FYI – I was surprised about Pitt. Did not have them on my radar as a den of miscreants, but then there are a lot of Trogan-types in the three river area.
Actually if you rememeber the Tom Cruise football movie “All the Rght Moves” the linebacker (Chris Penn) has a ride to Troganville, but knocked-up his girlfriend and stayed to work at the mill…looking forward to a life of beer, brawls and blood.
Now that I think of it…he did the right thing, so it was obvious he would not have gone to Troy. In reality the SUC AD would probably have sent him some $$$ for an abortion.
There's a Difference Between Being Arrested While On the Team and Having An Arrest Record
For the study to be meaningful, more distinctions have to be drawn.
I don’t think it wrong for a school to admit a student who has been arrested, in the past, and has been rehabilitated with a proven record before being admitted to school.
In my mind, giving someone a second chance, is the right thing to do — whether or not he or she plays sports.
There are many young people who either by circumstance or just plain bad judgment get in trouble — only to straighten out and become model citizens.
CRN recruited 3 “model kids” — no background of problems — and they got in trouble; he did the right thing by getting rid of them.
But, that should not preclude recruiting kids who have gotten in trouble at a younger age and cleaned up before applying to school.
One of the finest law students I had the pleasure of teaching, went to college and came to law school after serving a prison term for a very serious crime. He had been a gang member, when younger — something not too startling when one understands where he grew up and how. When he graduated from law school, he took a teaching position at a very prestigious mid-western law school, became a public defender, and later a judge.
In a survey like the one in the article, he would show up as a “negative” on the University of Wisconsin Law School’s spread sheet; to me he was one of the great success stories of my career.
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Southern Cal is appealing this to the NCAA...
They want full credit for all of the “student”-athletes who were not charged because “We own the police.” They also want counted the con who Cheat Pete recruited who was jailed before he could get on campus (and thus be shielded by the cops). They also want transfer credit for the U. Tennessee criminals recruited by Lane. As well as getting honorary credit for Ogre’s criminal past and, of course, the only currently-incarcerated Heisman trophy winner.
A skewed sample shouldn’t detract from their being University of Scores of Criminals.
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