"One and Done" to be replaced by "Two and Through"?
by Fox 71 on Apr 11, 2011 7:23 AM PDT
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Here's a blurb from a story on Yahoo Sports by Mark J. Spears dated April 8:
"Several high-ranking NBA team executives told Yahoo! Sports they wouldn’t be surprised if the age limit in the new CBA is pushed to two years in college and 20 years old by the end of that calendar year. One NBA general manager says about two-thirds of teams are in favor of that change. The current CBA states that an American must be out of high school for at least one year and be 19 years old by the end of that calendar year before entering the draft."
I know that there are a lot of people who have given this subject a lot of thought, and who probablly have well reasoned opinions as to what this would mean to UCLA if it is true. Then there are others who are waiting for "I'll Stay For Three, then I Won't Play for Free." I personally am holding out for "In College for Four then we Show You the Door." (Or something like that.)
Although they should have nothing at all to say on the issue, I wouldn't be surprised if somehow morgan off-center screws this up.
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I'm not a fan of this.
Can you imagine Lebron James or Dwight Howard spending even one season in college, much less two. It would just be stupid, both because they’d be ridiculously better than everybody else, and it would jut be unfair for the NCAA to make that much money off of an absolute superstar without them being able to get any compensation. I’m much more in favor of the baseball rule: go straight to the NBA, or spend at least three years in school. I find it difficult to really blame a poor kid who takes money to help his family in high school, and is then turned into a villain because they had no other choice but to go into a league in which they had already broken the rules. I know there will be some contention on this point, so let me say this, OJ Mayo’s flatscreen TV and $1,000 spending money for a trip to Vegas were not going to help his family. I am not defending him. I’m talking more about the Perry Jones situation. If you are good enough to make money doing something, then you should be able to make money doing it.
The NBA’s motivation for this is to have more time to evaluate players, but honestly, teams simply need to do a better job of scouting. It’s not that difficult these days, especially with all of the good players in the AAU circuit. Not only would this selfish decision to protect NBA teams from having to actually scout players hurt the college game (and it does when you have players there who are not interested in being student-athletes), but it is unfair to the player’s that the union agreeing to this would one day theoretically work to protect.
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Agree.
This rule would benefit recruiters (and cheaters)-only such as John Calipari immensely. He’s fine having a one and done players, but having each player stay a guaranteed 2 years? That’s going to keep him flush with talent constantly. Rules like this unbalance the entire game, as the recruiting world is unbalanced. Especially when people cheat.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
by OswegoBruin on Apr 11, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure, Osewgo
It seems more likely than not that Calimari’s one and done guys never even see the campus except on game days. If they have to maintain eligibility for two years, I think he woula have some trouble. I think it’s more likely that more kids will head for Europe.
Perhaps.
You may be right. But I can imagine if the Kentucky admins are willing to sell their souls for a guy like Calipari, they’ll be willing to fudge documents for the two-year tenures of their players. It’s not like one more year is that much of a stretch to pretend these kids are students.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Gasp!
You mean Kentucky would cheat? Come on, Oswego. The next thing you’ll be telling me is that just$c* cheats.
You wanna know something crazy?
They do. I couldn’t believe it myself. I’ve heard Ohio State cheats as well! What’s the world coming to?
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
The baseball method
Is the best. Go or stay three then leave.
As stated, Lebron James and Dwight Howard for 3 years in college would have just been ridiculous – not just because they would destroy everyone on court, but because they’d no doubt have a ton of baggage around them by the 3rd year, if not the first. But for those who should go to college, I don’t like the current situation at all. The best compromise is still the baseball method
The old-fashioned rule is the best - in my opinion
If you accept a scholarship to play basketball, you stay in school for four years. Unless you can earn a degree in less time, of course. I don’t like the notion of equating college athletics as a sports minor league. In basketball, for example, I think there are 330 or so D-1 schools, so figure there are a at least 3,500 D-1 basketball players. I don’t like the fact that the rules are writtten or at least seem to be written only for the 10 or 30 or 50 best players.
That said, an artificial barrier to one’s chosen career is wrong. Let the elite players go pro as soon as they’re ready. I have no void in my life as a result of not seeing Bryant or James pretend to be college students for a year or two. If there is going to be such a barrier, though, it should not be something as patently silly as some percentage of a college career. If we’re going to force a kid to go to college, it should be because of the benefits of a college education, not because of the benefits of playing college basketball. We will never know, of course, but somehow I think that Jabbar and Walton and Wilkes and all the rest of the great players who played under Coach would be lesser people without their educations.
That’s why I think kids should go straight to the NBA or NFL or MLB if they can, or to some professional minor league if they aim at a pro sports career.
I would add an NCAA stipulation that if a player goes pro early, they should pay back their scholarships.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
This is the only way
Basketball is not as physically damaging or demanding as football. If someone has the skill to go pro out of high school, there is no reason they shouldn’t have the option. If they come to college they should have to stay two or three years, though. Four years is interesting, but I haven’t given the idea much thought.
the problem with the Baseball rule
Is that in baseball there is a formal farm system where players who straight into pay for play can develop into men and improve their game. The CBL is just not going to cut it. Not unless the NBA chooses to directly support it. Given their current financial situation, talking of reducing the number of teams, can anyone really imagine they would be willing to do so?
At any rate, the true problem I see with the Baseball rule, is what happens to those kids who choose to go “pro” but don’t get drafted? Currently those kids are banished from ever playing college ball. There has to be an excpetion put in place wherein a kid fails to be drafted, and therefore never takes a dime or plays a minute in a d-league can play his way back in through the Juco to 4 year route.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
It didnt' seem to bother
Kobe, Garnett, Lebron, etc….
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
by OswegoBruin on Apr 11, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
It also didn't seem to bother
Desagana Diop
Ousmane Cisse
Ndudi Ebi
Earl Smith
James Lang
Louis Williams
Martell Webster
Ricky Sanchez
Leon Smith
Robert Swift
Oh wait, yeah it did
I agree.
My point is that players that are good enough should go. Those that aren’t should be in college for 3 years. When the option is available, there are always going to be guys making bad decisions.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
Who decides who's good enough?
One line of thinking says “if someone wants to draft you, you’re good enough”. Obviously that’s not the case. The heart of the issue lies in the fact that GMs are forced to draft the players with the greatest potential regardless of what they have proven to that point.
Obviously it's up to the players.
My point is if you force players to play in college, you’re going to pushing out underdogs, IMO.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
I assume that this list of guys, none of whom I have ever heard of, went to the NBA straight from high school, or at least tried to.
I think we should bear in mind that some people are just not cut out for any college, let alone a place like UCLA. You have to figure that these ten guys were all treated as demi-gods throughout high school, and never bothered to apply themselves to anything other than basketball. (I may, of course, be doing a great disservice to some or all.) If a kid isn’t cut out to be a college student, then why force him to go into a situation in which he cannot succeed?
But we have what we have, and the nba is not about to take any action that would harm their minor league farm system aka NCAA D-1 basketball. So I predict that the status quo will not change signficantly until I’m put in charge of the NCAA.
Exactly
This is why I can’t hate Derrick Rose. Don’t get me wrong, I loathe Calimari, and hate that he walked away scott free after knowingly letting Rose play when he wasn’t qualified. Rose on the other hand, definitely cheated, but at least he tried to qualify 3 times before he cheated. His choice was to cheat, or give up potentially millions of dollars by playing internationally (don’t think that would have been the case, ask Brandon Jennings or Enes Kanter: Jennings would have been the #2 pick in 2009 if he had gone to Arizona instead of Italy, and Kanter would be a top 3 pick this season if he had been able to play). Rose shouldn’t have cheated, but his hand was forced, and what 18-year-old kid would be expected to do the right thing given the same situation. Had he given up on college and gone international, not only would he not have been the number one overall pick, he probably wouldn’t have even been in the lottery in that loaded 2008 draft. He was put in a no-win situation, and we, as Bruins, really lost.
Can you imagine if any other industry negotiated a CBA with age restrictions as a barrier to entry (assuming the minimum age was in compliance with federal and state laws)?
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by Steve Bruin on Apr 11, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
*wouldn't have been the case...
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by Steve Bruin on Apr 11, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Nevermind,
I think I was right the first time. Too late to be posting, I guess.
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by Steve Bruin on Apr 11, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Correction
In baseball, you can go to college if you don’t get drafted, and you can go to college if you get drafted but choose to go to college instead.
The NBA is using college as a farm system which would be ok except they’re not supporting it. They have nothing to lose in any of this, that’s why the NCAA needs to step up and take a stand instead of being bullied around.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
The ncaa won't be bullied for long
When dan guerrero takes over at the ncaa, you can expect some prompt, decisive and well-directed action.
And a total focus on
the “student experience”.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
There are some seats on that side of Hilgard that would be a pretty nice place to watch a game
Just saying…
formerly bruinhoo
here's a suggestion to the NCAA
Colleges expend thousands of dollars on schlorships for athletes. How about a rule that states if a player leaves early for the draft he has to repay his scholarship?
Players leave early for a pay check why not make them pay back their training. We have a rule here at our clinic that if you leave early then you have to pay back the cost of your training. It’s a fair arrangement. We expend money training a employee on the assumption that the employee will utilizr those skills to treat the clinic’s patients.
Don’t tell me Honeycutt and Lee didn’t receive valuable training from CBH that allowed them to declare for the draft. They are going to earn millions brcause of what Ben taught them. How about making them pay back their training costs. Only fair. Maybe it will stop some of this two and thru.
I don't have a problem with that.
Who would fix that rule? Would that be something the NCAA could decree? (Good luck with that happening, of course.)
I think I would like to represent an athlete who leaves early and who gets dinged for the repayment of the scholarship. I think I would cross-complain against the school and the ncaa for quantum meruit, aka, the reasonable value of the athlete’s services. If the student is 1 of 13 on the team, and if the team generated $2.6M in profit, then your honor, simple math says that my client generated at least $200,000. So the scholarship is valued at $100,000? OK, School, you and the ncaa owe my client $100,000 a year. I don’t know how legally valid that argument is, but I woudln’t be embarrassed to make it.
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