Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: L'Equipe Claims He's Coming To Chelsea On Five Year Deal

"I never enjoyed playing for that man ... "

The statement of a recently departed, early-to-leave, Ben Howland defector? 

No. This statement is not about Ben Howland and it does not come from one of his players.

It is about Coach. Our rightfully revered John Wooden.

The player? The recently departed Edgar Lacey -- "the Bird" --  who quit the 1968 National Championship team mid-season.

In Lacey's obituary, the Daily Breeze includes the following:

"(The Houston game) was the last straw," Lacey said. "It all started in my sophomore year when he tried to change the mechanics of my shooting.

"And now I have no one to blame but myself for staying this long. He has sent people by to persuade me to reconsider, but I have nothing to reconsider. I'm glad I'm getting out now while I still have some of my pride, my sanity and my self-esteem left."

Wooden told The Times he thought Lacey should return to the team.

"I have never said anything but that he's the best forward we have," Wooden said. "I wish he'd think it over. Regardless of how he feels about me, I do care about him."

Why do I find this sufficiently important for a fan post?

Because, at a time when there is an undercurrent that blames the NBA defections on an inference that the players leaving do not like to play for Coach Howland, I think it important, as a teacher, to take a stand:

The role of a teacher is not to be liked. The role of a teacher is to teach. 

Star-divide

All who teach would like to be loved. But all who teach understand that that goal is not always possible. For most, it is sufficient to be effective -- to change lives for the better. And, to be respected.

There are those who were not around during Coach's time who want to romanticize everything about the era. Those of us who were there -- those of us who love Coach the most because we lived his time with him, first hand, know that the romantic notion that all of the players loved him and/or loved playing for him, was not true. They learned from him. They respected him. And, as they matured and put their experiences with him into perspective, most loved him.

Coach was strong willed and focused. Some, today, might call that stubborn and narrow minded. And, the truth is that not every player agreed with his every word or decision and loved every moment of practice and play. But, they learned and improved as both ball players and people.

There are stories of conflicts that we now see as funny. But, ask the young Bill Walton if he thought the hair cut story was funny at the time. And, ask the very successful TV executive, who later wrote and incredible book on what he learned from Coach, whether he "enjoyed" his time as a Bruin.

One major difference between what Coach faced and what CBH faces -- the players in the Wooden era really had no where to go -- the NBA was not luring them to leave, enticing them with big bucks. There were no agents and few AAU coaches and sycophants hanging onto to them -- "advisors" ready to slop at the trough of riches the young defectors might earn. For a great part of the time there were no "one and dones" because freshmen could not play varsity basketball. They had a team of their own -- and a year to get set in school before they were thrown into the national spotlight and enhanced competition.

For the most part, John Wooden had 4 years to get his lessons on basketball and, more importantly, life, to sink in. And, he did not have to compete with the lure of money to capture his students' attention.

Coach rightfully expected his players to stay four years, to learn, grow, mature, and graduate. CBH can have none of those expectations.

I've made it clear -- I hate the one and done, or two and done, syndrome. I think it demeans the concept of the "student/athlete" and establishes great universities as farm teams for the pro's.

Around here, I am out voted. It's probably a generation gap issue. I love the way it was when I was in school. You all have learned to love the way it is now.

But, if you accept that kids come to play for a couple of years, at most, to set up joining the NBA to make riches -- before they graduate --  why can't you accept that they actually do that? Why must it be that they are leaving because they do not like CBH?

I see the problems in the program, and have written some of the FanPosts most critical of CBH during the season. 

But, I continue to have a problem with the unsubstantiated inference that the kids turning pro are doing so because they don't "enjoy" playing for CBH.

I am trying to keep an open mind on the issue. People I trust very much on BN tell me that it is true. And, one of the front pagers has promised more on the topic in an upcoming post that substantiates, with facts, the argument. 

I have been thinking about writing this piece for a while. I've held back waiting for the specifics underlying the "they are leaving because they don't like playing for Howland". But, then I read Edgar Lacey's obituary. And, I saw the quote at the top of this post in the Slimes (I'm in LA and my Mom gets the paper.)

I could not let the opportunity pass. John Wooden is my hero. Ben Howland is not John Wooden. And, never will be. 

Whether I am right or wrong on the facts about whether the players are "enjoying" Howland, does not matter. 

It is the wrong standard to apply when judging a teacher. It would have been wrong to apply it to Coach and it is wrong to apply it to CBH. Teaching is not a popularity contest. 

We ought not judge any teacher by whether or not he or she is "enjoyable" --  teachers ought to be evaluated by the end product, whether they made their students better at what they do and better people. And, sometimes, it takes years for both the student and those around him or her to understand the impact a teacher has had on his or her life. 

Ben Howland should be evaluated by his "end product".

If he cannot teach his students to play to the best of their ability for a full game, to "succeed" in Coach's terms, he must go. 

If his players learn to play the way Coach would call them to play -- if they learn the true meaning of "success" and "satisfaction", he is doing his job.

And, if they reach that standard, I will not care whether they whine that they are not "enjoying" themselves.

It simply does not matter.

Some of life's most important lessons are not fun. And, we do not see their value until we grow up.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

Comment 39 comments  |  17 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Wow

Amazing post. Certainly not what I was expecting when I clicked on it. I completely agree with the “coach as a teacher” in a university.

by Harsha on Apr 15, 2011 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome. Absolutely awesome.

Thanks for this post, I’ve felt this way for some time now as well. Just could not put it into words as concise and articlute as you 66. Great post!

by tommybruin on Apr 15, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

As a teacher, I agree with what you are saying, but...

A teacher’s job is to inspire, the lead, to guide, to mold. Like you said, Coach could do it his way (which was the right way) because they had no other options. As a teacher, I have the same luxury. Students can hate me all they want, but they have to stay in my class and learn from me. At some point during the year (or shortly after they graduate and return to campus to see their old teachers), most students begin to understand and appreciate what I was trying to do. Unfortunately for CBH, he does not have this luxury. He is not simply a “teacher”. In some ways, he is a salesman. And while I would never want him to be a full-time salesman (SEE Calipari), he has to understand that this is part of the job description. Does he have to change his style of coaching? No. Be less hard-nosed? No (SEE Coach K). Change the style of play? Nope. He just needs to understand how to relate to his players on a different level so they want to stick around long enough for him to finish the lesson and for his teachings to pay off. What good is a teacher and his lessons if no one is in the room to learn from them?

formerly Westwood78

by PhoenixBruin on Apr 15, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Great read!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Apr 15, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

We need No Player Left Behind™!

Assess, assess, assess! Test the players yearly, monthly, weekly. Test, test, test. That is the only way we will know if Howland is a good teacher.

(A little teacher humor – sorry to the rest of BN denizens, many of whom seem to be lawyers.)

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Apr 15, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I married a teacher, so I understand.

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Apr 15, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

ASSES

I thought you were referring to a lot of butts. Butts all around. Butts everywhere.

by Bruinator on Apr 15, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I always know it’s my fault when my kid who shows up once a week does not pass.

It is rough in big time college athletics, you have the constant grass is greener elsewhere to deal with.

I would love to see the NBDL become the official minor leagues for the NBA and let it get to the student-athlete in college again.

by Seahawcla on Apr 15, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness

Great writing, 66. Having taught for many years, I completely agree with your point. Every now and then one of my elementary-schoolers would say “I don’t like you.” Though I never said it, the response in my head was always “oh well.” My students were well-prepared for the next grade’s challenges. Most importantly to me, I had numerous parents tell me their children liked reading more, or simply had begun to like reading, as a result of being in my class. That is how I wanted to be judged. The fact that many students seemed to truly enjoy being there was a wonderful side benefit.

I truly enjoy and look forward to your commentary, both in comments and posts.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Apr 15, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Excellent write up

but I think the modern world is more complicated than that. Ben Howland and elite NCAA coaches aren’t paid to $2-4 million a year to teach. The job of a major college coach nowadays is to:

a) Win (recruiting, coaching, game strategy, program management, etc)
b) Do so within the appropriate boundaries set by your school (this can be different school to school as some schools are more compliant than others)
c) Do so within your own boundaries of what you need to teach and how you need to influence and develop the people playing for you to meet your own standards (this is different coach to coach)

You have to balance all three to be successful over the long term. Teaching (#3) is only one component of it.

I do agree with you that kids staying in school is certainly better for the college basketball product and can in many ways be better for the student athlete. However, what forcing kids into college does is make kids who are, quite frankly, not up to college level work have to go school to get a job in something which shouldn’t require any university training. College isn’t for everyone, and it certainly isn’t for everyone that can play in the NBA. It corrupts colleges to try to make room for them all. I think you have to let kids declare out of high school, and if they go to college, than you make them inelligible until 2 years of college

by silverlakebruin on Apr 15, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

I think the answer lies somewhere between 66 & SLB’s posts. I think Ben would have done very well in Coach’s era with his straight forward teaching. But now, with the kids & the environment completely changed, Ben needs to continue to adjust.

Firm but fair, honest yet inspiring. It’s harder and harder nowadays.

I think the easiest answer is for the NCAA to create a rule … either stay in college till you graduate or go straight to the NBA. None of this in between lets see hmmmm business.

by Bruinator on Apr 15, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

SLB, you have found the heart of the college sports problem

To paraphrase:

College sports makes kids who are not suited or ready for college go to
school so they can get a job which doesn’t even require university training.

No wonder it is a disaster.

by KnudsenRockne on Apr 18, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sad Story

Fox, as you know, Lacey was the number one high school player in Los Angeles when he chose to be a Bruin.

He had a knee injury that cut short one season and hurt a knee cap that kept him from playing the entire next year.

He was a starter during the following season. In the game that we lost to Houston, Lacey was guarding Elvin Hayes — who exploded for a lot of points. Coach pulled Lacey and never put him back in the game. Lacey quit a few days later.

Coach tried to bring him back — but couldn’t.

The team ended up beating Houston in the rematch and winning the National Championship.

Lacey was a truly gifted player. I think he played a year or two as a pro, but no more.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 15, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great summary

Of one part of Howland’s job.

Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, Howland’s job is not just to be a teacher. While in the limited confines of that particular job he may excel, the job of collegiate coach now requires the skill set of a program manager. Whether he’s liked or not is secondary to the central issue of player retention and recruiting.

What we can agree upon is that Howland should be judged by the end product, which is why we are expecting an elite season out of his team next year.

by Tydides on Apr 15, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Coach

Coach was a communicator. He always conveyed clearly to his players what his expectations were and he held all of them accountable. He didn’t have any special rules for special players. Classoff66 shared the example himself.

Because he treated everyone equally, he earned everyone’s respect. UCLA players knew exactly what to expect from him. That has not been the case at UCLA under Howland.

We do not dispute that Howland is a great teacher of fundamentals. It is not about whether player like playing for Howland. It is whether players know what Howland expects from them. It is about whether there is an environment at UCLA where there is clear communication between players and their coaches. The answers are unclear. We will use the end results – expectation of an elite season with an elite recruiting class – to assess Howland next season.

Appreciate the effort Classof66 gave in this post and thankful for sharing stories about Coach.

by Achilles on Apr 15, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

But if I read 66 correctly, the implication is that for a coach it is even more important for him to be respected rather than liked. A coach is one part teacher and one part drill sergeant.

Imagine hard difficult it would be to train Marines if they could quit Boot Camp to join Xe ( nee Blackwater)

by KnudsenRockne on Apr 18, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Preach on!

Very good post. I feel hindsight will be much kinder to CBH than a lot of people here on BN.

It is also funny to me that people begged for TH to leave, than use it as ammo later as to why things are bad.

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't go to yours." -Yogi Berra

by SLC_Bruin on Apr 15, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

That our coach couldn’t get the most talented player on the team to buy in and bust his ass every game sure is funny. And who needs hindsight when we have people like you who will make excuses for absolutely anything?

by Tydides on Apr 15, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look

I am biased when it comes to TH, no doubt. He went to my high school, and I wanted him to do better than anyone else on the team. Am I dissapointed in how he turned out and how things ended? Sure.

But answer me this: If you think that we can get another, better coach to come to Westwood, where academic standards are higher, saleries are lower, and cost-of-living is out of control, you are dreaming.

TH is the kind of guy CBH HAS to recruit. Top 25 kid out of high school in our backyard. If he didn’t you’d yell at him for that. Butler and VCU are great, but there are 100 other teams with that level of ‘work ethic’ talent that don’t make it to the tourny, let alone final four, every year. Do you want CBH to put that talent together? He can, but you and everyone else would cry over letting a kid like TH go… he already misses on a lot of talent that a lot of BN people would like.

It is true that the Ben-Ball Warrior mentality is lacking lately, but keep in mind that three-straight final fours is OVER what our expectations should be, and though he is under now, he should get more leeway than he is getting now. Russell Westbrook was a great find, a diamond in the rough. But diamonds are expensive for a reason; they are very hard to find… for every diamond, you will get many more polished turds…

It’s a total catch-22. You bring in the talented, entitled kid, and he acts like a spoiled brat, of course. You play him, he gives less than 100%, people are mad. You bench him, we don’t play as well (you HAVE to admit we are not in the Kansas or Florida games, amoungst others, with Lane starting instead), people are mad. You don’t recruit him, people are mad. If you think coach K or Bill Self could do better that is fine… UCLA is not a good enough job to draw those guys. I hate to admit it, but ti is true. Notre Dame has a lot of football tradition… they still have issues getting the coach they want, and they don’t have the $$$ issues we have. You wanna do a coaching search and get rid of CBH? Don’t complain when the best we get is a Mike Montgomery-level guy… CBH is a better coach than we SHOULD have. Call it excuses all day long… I am being realistic.

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be thankful. Conceit is self-given; be careful."
They Call Me Coach, John Wooden, 1988

by SLC_Bruin on Apr 16, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Umm

Two things:
- CBH’s salary, when everything is taken into account, is not low at all. He is pretty well paid and is definitely at least in the top 20.
- Notre Dame’s main problem is their ridiculous schedule that they impose on themselves for not being in a conference, combined with poor recruiting the last few years. I think that will change with Kelly, but I still think their schedule will keep them back often. No cupcakes, not even intra-conference cupcakes…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Apr 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great and leads me to my point

I wait for real “evidence” that the basketball program’s problems are the defections to the NBA. In fact, as I put in another post, those early departures have all worked out for those that left so whether we thought they were premature or not is irrelevant.

To me the issue is not the defections to the NBA but thedefections to other programs and the quality of those others. Elite programs will lose people to the NBA. The ones that stay have to be the best of the rest. And they have not stayed nor been the best of the rest under CBH.

And in the category of BTW: this post made me flashback to Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Sean Penn coming back with respect after not being a happy camper!

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Apr 15, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Post, and great point.

My brother is a teacher at the High School level and he routinely hears how is ‘mean’ and ‘strict’ and yet, year in and year out he gets voted ‘most popular’.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Apr 15, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Good post, but....

Thirty years from now will CBH’s players hold him in as high esteem as Coach’s do? Probably not, and that speaks volumes.

Moreover, every coach has had a kid quit on him because they didn’t care for his style. It happens.

Also Coach treated everyone in his program equally, right down to the team managers. I’ve never heard anyone say that about CBH.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Apr 15, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, North Carolina's Dean Smith for one

Then the late Marquette coach Al McQuire for another.

by Htse005 on Apr 15, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

True....

Amazingly, most of Bobby Knight’s players as well…Though that has always baffled me.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Apr 17, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

By definition

we will have to wait 30 years to know for sure.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 15, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

I’ll be 85…A Super Geezer! :)

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Apr 17, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

What a great post

Poignant and thought-provoking. Thank you, 66. Like Fox, I hadn’t realized the circumstances of Lacey’s departure from the team, either.

Do you know when Lacey ‘s words from the obituary were said? Did he say them toward the end of his life, or closer to the beginning-middle? If the beginning-middle, I’m wondering if he ever mellowed, given Coach’s incredible success. I wonder if he ever regretted his decision or felt he blew it. In any case, it takes moxie to stand up to an icon.

But, back to your point about the role of a teacher, I agree wholeheartedly. Silver casts a 21st century definition of the role, and while I recognize the veracity of his depiction, I find myself hating the current reality all the more. One and done, itinerant coaches, lavish coaches’ salaries, sham “student”-athletes, stick the students on the endline so we can sell the good seats for more money, and, above all, win, win, win, win, win.

As you say, it’s probably a generational thing. One good thing, though: It makes me appreciate Coach all the more.

by Bruinut on Apr 15, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't figure out when they were said but ...

it sounds like they were said at the time he quit.

I, too, hope that somehow he and Coach reconnected.

Does anyone know if he was at any of the tributes for Coach?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seminal Moment?

’66, this is an amazing piece of UCLA BBall history. For those of us at school during this period (like you and me) it is like the missing fragment of a puzzle, the last chip of the Rosetta Stone, etc. Thank you for this.

By the way, in Googling this, I noticed the Breeze’s obit and several other articles were pulled/archived.

So soon after his April 5th death. Conspiracy?

“Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you!”

Thanks again for the article, Steve.

by WHP '68 on Apr 23, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wondering: "Where the hell is Class of 66?"

Though I’m about 30 years younger, I’ve always seen myself as being born in the wrong era. Maybe it’s because we teach, but I often find comfort in reading how you view certain situations. Whether others see it the same way or not, I often share your logic…just not as eloquent.

As usual, very insightful. However, as someone else pointed out, I guess our older and more nostalgic view of how things are and should be no longer applies. Not that they are not right, just sadly outdated…

I often envy those who attended UCLA during Coach’s era. I wonder if they knew Coach’s words were going to be so meaningful this many decades later.

Again, thanks 66.

by bruin98 on Apr 15, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

OT DC is off to a great start agains Chicago.

10 pts. 2 assts with 2min to go in the 1st quarter. He looks like he remembers!

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Apr 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Just read this....

Great minds think alike…..

Then there’s us.

by Scotucla03 on Apr 16, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post about the essence of teaching

It should be pointed out, however, that in “They Call Me Coach,” Coach Wooden expressed sincere misgivings about how he had handled the Edgar Lacey situation. After the Houston game, Coach made a comment to the press that Edgar didn’t look like he wanted to come back in the game. Apparently, that comment was the last straw for Edgar, and Coach admitted in the book that the comment was uncharitable and that he deeply regretted making it. He had since learned to be more careful to make criticisms in private. It just demonstrates that even for the best of teachers, teaching is, paradoxically, a learning process.

by Cade McAdverb on Apr 18, 2011 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

No surprise that Coach would admit a mistake and would sincerely regret making it.

I haven’t read what Coach wrote, but I bet it’s not one of those non-apology apologies, of the “if I offended anyone, and no one should have been offended, but If I did, then I’m sorry if it caused anyone any grief, which it shouldn’t have, and undoubtedly didn’t, if I said anything in the first place, which I’m not saying I said or didn’t say. Thank you, and my attorney will take any questions.”

by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's a late question but ...

After re-reading the post of ’66 and contemplating a phenomenon observed by many educators (and employers) I want to ask this:

Is the dominant attitude of today’s youth toward correction compatible with coaching?

Many who work with kids younger than 30 (or so) notice that they often don’t take negative comments well – no matter how coated with sugar. Many of them take suggestions for improvement to be negative comments. Some even feel criticized if they witness praise for one of their peers! It is to the point that you cannot pick an employee to be employee of the month because the ‘runners-up’ will pout.

The fragile egos of this generation have driven educators and supervisors nuts. How can you coach kids like that?

by KnudsenRockne on Apr 18, 2011 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Bruins Nation, an unofficial daily online scrap book covering the greatest collegiate athletic program in the nation. Established June 16, 2005. GO BRUINS.

Managers

Uclabear1_small Nestor

Arron_afflalo1_small Tydides

Brad_pitt_as_achilles_small Achilles

377011_2642084725867_1068030137_32302525_1166539782_n_small Ryan Rosenblatt

Telemachus_small Telemachus

Licenseplate_small gbruin

2761_small tasser10

Blue_bellerophon_small Bellerophon

Img_0052_2_small Patroclus

Small DCBruins

Of Counsels

094_small Ajax

Menelaus2_small Menelaus

Small Meriones

Small Odysseus

Associates

Eee_small freesia39

Uclabruins_small AHMB