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#SFatPauley - On Courage and Conviction

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First, I have to apologize for the length of this post. I've been reading about the Morgan Center student-seating fiasco for days now, alternately getting irate and depressed. I have relished reading the wise and passionate words of many here, and cannot articulate these thoughts as well. So, this tome is a "core dump," of sorts, having come from many days of reading and reacting, internally, until it finally boiled over. I hope this is OK.

I want to talk about two "C" words--courage and conviction. One can have strong conviction, but lack the courage to stand on that conviction. One can have courage, but have flimsy convictions. It is a rare and principled person who has both unshakable, virtuous convictions and steadfast courage.

Coach Wooden had both, in spades. Fortunate to have parents who molded his impressionable young mind with all the right values, for all the right reasons, Coach grew into an adult who wavered nary a step off his virtuous and principled path.

Examples of this great man's courageous and principled stands abound. I will cite just a few.

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(1) In the late 1940s, the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics had been holding a Men's Basketball Championship since 1937, a tournament founded by no less than one James Naismith. In 1947, Coach Wooden's Indiana State team was invited to participate in the tournament. He refused, because at the time, the tournament was not open to black athletes. The fact that the ISU team WAS open to blacks was, of course, no coincidence. Young Coach knew right from wrong, even as a youngster, going against older established coaches and administrators.

In 1948, primarily due to the public pressure laid on them by Coach Wooden in the previous year, the association opened their doors, sort of, to black student-athletes. Again, Coach's team was invited. Again, he refused. Upon talking to his team and players' parents, he agreed to participate, bringing the first African-American student-athlete (Clarence Walker) to play at the national tournament.

Unfortunately, the relaxation in rules hadn't percolated down to the masses. Coach thus witnessed, first-hand, the reluctant "integration" of the times--separate hotels, separate bathrooms, separate restaurants.

Can you imagine the courage it took to take such stands? The guts to pit one's principled youth against entrenched, bigoted status quo? For most mortals, including me, such bravery would be a lifetime's worth. For Coach Wooden, it was just a start.

(2) On a stormy, winter evening in 1948, Coach was awaiting word from officials of the University of Minnesota, who he thought wanted to hire him as head basketball coach. Both Coach and his wife, Nell, preferred to stay in the Midwest. But, the call from Minnesota didn't come. Thinking that Minnesota had lost interest, Coach accepted a three-year contract offer that did come in, from UCLA, his second choice.  

But, Minnesota had not lost interest, at all. Rather, the person charged with proffering his University's offer was held up in a snow storm. Hard to imagine, I know, but back then, there were no cell phones and few phone booths. When Minnesota, his preferred job, finally got hold of him, Coach Wooden reluctantly turned them down. Why? Because he had given his word to UCLA.

A small thing to most people, but to Coach, his word meant everything. Probably, no one would have blamed him had he reneged on UCLA and taken the Minnesota gig. Bad-luck snowstorm, staying close to home, and so on. But, no, Coach wouldn't have it any other way. He had given his word. It was clear. Pure courage.

(3) When compared to the salaries and bonuses of many of his famous peers, Coach Wooden was grossly underpaid. When considering the success his teams enjoyed, his salary was less than a pittance. His salary should have been the highest of all. Why wasn't it? Was it because Coach had a crappy agent? Was it because Coach had no agent at all, and he got fleeced by UCLA?

Nope, it was Coach, himself, who determined how much was too much. His reasons? From the get-go, Coach saw himself as a teacher. He thought that it would not be right for his salary to be bigger than that of other teachers. So, teachers' salaries weren't his baseline, but rather his CEILING. He would not accept a salary greater than that of the highest-paid teacher at UCLA.

Can you imagine such a scenario today? Can you imagine the head coach of a prominent program, let alone a historically famous one, voluntarily limiting his compensation? In this day, when many measure their worth against the earnings of others, I can't.

But, Coach didn't measure his worth against that of others. Not only did he not need to be among the highest paid coaches, he didn't WANT to be. And, why? Because it would have been against his principles. That is courage.

(4) Pauley Pavilion was being built in the early 1960s, to be ready for the 1965-1966 season. Having come off the first of two NCAA Championships, Coach was an influential "designer" in Pauley. He COULD have exerted his influence for personal gain, so as to create as large an advantage for his team as possible. He could have emphasized basketball over other concerns of the University.

Did he? Nope. Instead, he strongly preferred a design that would allow the gymnastics teams and volleyball teams to practice and play, as well. But, wouldn't that mean large empty spaces behind baskets? Wouldn't that lessen the home-court advantage? Yep. But, to Coach, UCLA was about ALL students. He wanted to provide, not only for other athletic teams, but also for the students, so they could watch these other sports in a nice place, too.

(5) Final example. A certain UCLA junior, Bill Walton, showed up for the first practice of his second varsity season (as a junior). An All-American, fresh off a National Championship, THAT Bill Walton. Trouble is, Walton was in violation of one of Coach's team rules--neat hair and no beard.

Full of confidence and Grateful Dead rebelliousness, and having just won a NC, Walton was sure he could prevail over the old man. "It's my right," he insisted.

"Do you feel strongly about that, Bill?"

"Yes, I do."

"That's good, Bill," Coach said. "I admire people who have strong beliefs and stick by them. I really do. We're going to miss you, Bill."

You get that? An All-American, the best player in the land, and Coach was ready to dismiss him, for principle. Name me another coach who would have done the same thing.


Why am I intoning on about having strong convictions and the courage to stand up for them? Because I don't see even a shred of the same coming from the Morgan Center. What? Put students together, filling up an entire sideline? Or, all around the court? Not financially viable.

Who are we building the new Pauley for, Morgan Center? By your actions, and insultingly by your deceitful words and carefully calculated "surveys," it most certainly is not for the students. But, shouldn't it be? Shouldn't the almighty donors have to get in line, behind students, to visit this University arena? Shouldn't your mission be to do everything in your power to enrich the student experience? Shouldn't you be concerned about breeding lifelong Bruins, and not coincidentally, tomorrow's donors? Isn't that why UCLA exists, for the students? One would think. Coach would have thought so.

The contrast is incredibly stark. Here, one of the most principled men in modern history helps bring all kinds of positive recognition to UCLA. And, here, the current administration hides behind "not financially viable" and shafts the students with a shrug.

We all deserve better, students, faculty, alumni, fans. It would seem that you, Morgan Center, lack both courage and convictions. Yes, it would take courage to stand up for lesser-paying students over generous donors. Sure, it would. It is very easy, and very acceptable, these days to say "we can't afford it." It takes real guts to stand up for principle, especially when principle lies with the little guy. It takes large cojones to stand for what's right against the winds of accepted reality.  

It takes real courage that you, to date, have not shown. Please find it. 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Great post.

Every Bruin should read this, especially the ones sitting in their offices across from the John Wooden Center.

We're havin' too much fun today. We ain't thinkin' 'bout tomorrow.

by Steve Bruin on Apr 6, 2011 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, luv

(Sounds so British, doesn’t it?)

I haven’t yet, but will tomorrow. As I mentioned, this was a cathartic purging for me, and I owe BN so much for being my “rock,” I had to air my laundry here, first. I’ll put my real name and send it to them tomorrow.

p.s. It took restraint on my part to refrain from referring to “them” as “The Blockheads.”

by Bruinut on Apr 6, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably wise given all the references to Coach.

I like the idea of doing the therapy rant on BN and then sending the mature version to the blockheads. On the other hand, your therapy rant seemed incredibly mature and clear.

It is brilliant! (Is that British sounding enough?)

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Apr 6, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outstanding, Bruinut!!!

Thank you for posting this.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 6, 2011 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

A moving tribute to Coach.

And a sad commentary about our athletic department and school. It’s all about the Benjamins to them, shackled as they are by their own shortsightedness.

by uclahy on Apr 6, 2011 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

There was another incident in which Coach was given the opportunity to have the team play on Sunday

I think it was J.D. Morgan (the real live one, not the one spinning in his grave over what his happened in the building named after him) who told Coach that one of the many national championship teams would play some other powerhouse on a Sunday on national TV and there would be a fortune to be made, blah, blah, blah. Coach responded by saying it sounded like a wonderful opportunity and he wished all concerned well, but made it clear to J.D. that he would not be there.

by Fox 71 on Apr 7, 2011 4:56 AM PDT reply actions  

OT -- Has There Been Any Student Action/Protest on Campus This Week?

Is anything, other than on the ’net, happening on campus to protest the seating?

At Morgan?

At the Daily Bruin?

On Bruin Walk?

Anything? If so, please post it here so we can give it a push.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 7, 2011 6:25 AM PDT reply actions  

No. And there won't be.

Though I took the initiative to inform USAC at their meeting this week that they were played by the Morgan Center, and that they should do something to rectify this. How they choose to respond is now up to them, though they seemed a bit more preoccupied with, well, the massive budget cut facing UCLA along with ANOTHER tuition hike by the Regents.

I’ve been getting in contact this week with certain people on campus who should hopefully have our backs in this, and trying to gauge their opinion on this whole matter. I’ve also been able to meet with one of the administrators to let him know what’s going on. I hope to meet with him again sometime within the next week to discuss this in more detail, and on possible courses of action.

by BruinKid on Apr 7, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have a good idea who you are

We don’t really trust someone who in the old message board days would attack students who had organized to criticize Steve Lavin via LoseLavin.com.

Don’t expect to come here with any credibility at this point. We prefer to hear from students who are not wrapped with the idea of having access to the establishment.

by Achilles on Apr 7, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Many were hoodwinked by the Lizard

I think time has settled any debate and confirmed Lavin was wrong for U.C.L.A.

On the other hand though, the students have to take ownership of this issue and lead from campus. So I welcome all efforts from our current students to fight this. More is needed.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter his past stance

You’re talking to someone who’s pretty much been a student for arguably almost 2 decades. He’s been to every home basketball game for the last 15 years or so. He’s been part of the Den since the very beginning. Just being there so long he has tons of connections. His stance on Lavin is irrelevant. He is supposed to be finishing up his PhD this year so for him to fight for the students is impressive.

by lil eg not cs on Apr 7, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relevant to many of us

Few of us saw him attack students who were trying to save UCLA basketball during Lavin years. You may not think it is relevant but it is to us who have been around a while.

We also have not appreciated how he has been approaching some of the moderators in back channels complaining about how this community is run and then going to other places snitching on specific negative and inappropriate comments posted here. It is incredibly petty and if continue to see this from BK, he will no longer be welcome here.

We do not have much faith in the student leadership at this point. We’d like to hear from actual students and whether there will be efforts from students who are not afraid to speak up and engage the Morgan Center directly on campus.

by Achilles on Apr 7, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully those connections will be put to good use

It’s crystal clear how the alumni feel about this issue.

It seems clear how most students feel about this issue.

Two huge problems are the public comments of the Den Leader and the USAC president, and the absolute lack of advocacy by the Daily Bruin. We need better voices coming from campus.

I respect your position. lil eg not cs. But looking ahead, we all have to have the same goal in mind. I hope that you, and BruinKid, and sideout11, and others on campus will do everything possible and use all your resources to put direct pressure on Morgan from your end to fix this debacle. We all want the same thing.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 7, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

Although I’m not a student any more I have heard that they might be putting together another meeting to sort things out.

by lil eg not cs on Apr 7, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

My bad

i knew you were a recent Den member. Sorry for assuming you were still there.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 7, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This comment is not directed at you -

This is for other “leaders” who have been working on this. If sorting things out entails have another meeting to come up with a different set of talking points to explain this mess, it will not work really well here. We hope Morgan Center and these student “leaders” are not goofy enough to think that way.

by Achilles on Apr 7, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with A.

The solution is not another explanation for why the students have been moved off the sidelines. The solution is moving the students back to the sidelines, and if anything, allocating more room.

I was about to start another rant about the idiocy at morgan off-center, but everything that can be said has already been said.

by Fox 71 on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

And I agree. I was told they are possibly putting together another meeting. I have no clue what that meeting will cover.

The sentiment of many students and former students (and by many I mean a lot of my facebook friends and friends of friends) is that they don’t think they can use this site to help. Many of them have been banned or warned here. I’m not going to comment on whether they deserved it or not because I honestly don’t know.

by lil eg not cs on Apr 8, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want to go on record as having banned no one, although I did give myself a time out once.

All kidding aside, if your friends want to demonstrate evidence of the sentiment of many, they certainly should cherry-pick the comments that will buttress their position from this site and any others. If morgan off-center is the enemy (and they are), then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

by Fox 71 on Apr 8, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's their problem

This community and website has shown in the past that it is a great platform to advance a message/support a cause/etc. Your Facebook friends are butt-hurt because they came here, broke the clearly established community rules, were warned for it, then continued to break those rules. Only one of them was banned, and it was a temporary 24 hour ban, which was lifted.

Spare us the persecution complex crap that your little buddies are feeding you. It’s bullshit, it’s tired, and it’s lame.

Moreover, this is the same group who were used and misled by Morgan Center’s garbage, who are now going completely Stockholm Syndrome and defending a plan that is absolutely stupid.

If students really believe baseline seats are somehow better than sideline seats (or some combo of sideline and baseline like the Izzone), then UCLA’s admissions standards need to be reevaluated.

by Bellerophon on Apr 10, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Students certainly have changed in 40 years

I know it’s a mistake to generalize from a sample size that’s way too small, but it seems to me that at least as many students are defending morgan off-center as are railing against it. I am not going to say that I have never defended an infefensible position. (I defended civil lawsuits, and my clients were not always squeaky clean. But when I defended the indefensible, I was getting paid, and I did not pretend otherwise.) The only way I can see defending morgan off-center is because it is your job. I don’t blame that Harlan guy for lying, because he is on morgan off-center’s payroll, and he thought he could get away with a lie. That has probably worked for him in the past. I don’t blame the ostensible den leaders, because they are getting paid in one form or another – morgan off-center recognizes them as “leaders,” and they get access to big shots in the athletic department, and all that.

I do heartily blame guerrero (name not capitalized on purpose) for lying himself and for allowing lies to be told on behalf of the department he heads. That’s indefensible. It was pointed out here and elsewhere that at least one of the financial stories (we have lots of money, and finances are not an issue versus we couldn’t allow students on the sidelines for financial reasons) has to be a lie. I blame block for not calling for an end to lying to the students, alumni and fans. I blame guerrero and block for thinking they can get away with the lies. Did no one learn anything from Watergate?

40 years ago, students heard the UCLA administration and the U.S. government saying things which they perceived to be lies. Whether they were or were not lies is a debate for a different forum, so let’s not get sidetracked. The students were told things that the students believed to be false. The rest is history. A lot of noise was made, not just at UCLA but everywhere.

Obviously Seatgate is not as big an issue as the anti-war movement. It is a big deal, though. If the UCLA administration is lying about the seating issue, and they clearly are, then what else is the administration lying about? What ever happened to honesty? Can any student believe anything coming out of morgan off-center or out of any part of the administration?

Why is the outcry confined to Facebook and Tweetbook or whatever it is? How about a good old fashioned demonstration? How about occupying a buidling? Pauley seems like an appropriate choice. Is there no reporter who would like to cover a story like this? Is the student body so profoundly timid that they think they will be barred from ever applying to grad school if they go to a protest?

It’s clear that the Den Leaders (and I use the term loosely) and the Daily Bruin have been seduced by the dark side. They are nothing more than publicity organs for the Ministry of Truth aka morgan off-center. I have seen plenty of people who I believe to be students who are upset that their “good old days” are being stolen from them. Those are the people to whom I appeal.

It’s time to organize. I know I cannot speak for the moderators, but it seems to me that you can communicate with each other through the BN. Someone in the BN has to have a contact in the press or in some news room. In fact, I have a loose connection with Fox Sports, and maybe they would cover the biggest gang rape since that Jodie Foster movie.

Turn the clock back a few years. In fact, go back 40 years, and claim the seats that Coach wanted the students to have when Pauley opened, and which the students got for years until sometihing happened. Students, your parents (or grandparents maybe) had the guts to step up and be vocal when something wrong was happening. Do you folks have the guts to do what they did?

Come on, Bruins, make us geezers proud. Heck, anyone who chains himself to the front door of morgan off-center automatically qualifies as an honorary geezer.

by Fox 71 on Apr 10, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

You make it sound like i’m being blinding by the “crap” that my little buddies are feeding me. In fact, I was just relaying to you how some of my friends and friends of friends view this site. Those people would be Den leaders, spirit squad people, new UCLA employees, etc. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong. I was just trying to give you some insight into their mindset.

by lil eg not cs on Apr 11, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

A thing to keep in mind

Lot of UCLA spirit squad people, employees and students did not like BN, when its founders started this blog with the goal of going after Karl Dorrell. This site was attacked for being “Trojans” by other UCLA “students” and “fans” in its early days. There were multiple attempts to shut this site down in the early days.

You should relay to your friends that instead of Facebooking each other on a tough moderating message, they should keep eye on the big picture here – that is UCLA screwing around with long standing school tradition. That they are more consumed with their egos than the school interest is somewhat disturbing and depressing about the state of current “leadership” among UCLA students.

We appreciate you sharing info here. Thanks.

by Achilles on Apr 11, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think any grievances should be set aside so we can focus on what is TRULY wrong with our beloved university.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Apr 11, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we understand and respect your friends' feelings

I hope they respect and understand the feelings here.

And mostly I hope they can come togther with us from this point going forward, because I truly believe we all have the same endpoints in mind: the best experience for our students and the best support for our basketball teams.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 11, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

"It seems clear how most students feel about this issue."

Based on what? A few posts on this site and on facebook?

Students that agree with the plan have no reason to post on facebook in support and they certainly aren’t going to be posting here. There’s absolutely no way of knowing how most students feel about this issue. Maybe the lack of protest on campus and in the Bruin is a telling sign; maybe it’s not.

by Classof13 on Apr 8, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I did

“There’s absolutely no way of knowing how most students feel about this issue.”

The point is that it’s not clear at this point how most students feel. The only way to come to that conclusion is to assume the people that aren’t complaining have the same opinion as those that are.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You did

Because you imply that those that aren’t speaking up are reinforcing your viewpoint, and that’s not true. Try again.

by Tydides on Apr 9, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

I’m not really sure how to phrase this any more explicitly: I have no idea what their opinion is. I am making absolutely no assumptions whatsoever about what their viewpoint is.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And to reiterate

gbruin has no idea what their opinion is. gbruin shouldn’t make any assumptions about what their viewpoint is.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on the posts that have been made on their page all week long

Which you try to counter with some weak argument like “well not EVERYONE is doing it, so there’s no way to know” which is complete garbage.

by Tydides on Apr 9, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm seeing a lot of posts from alumni

Not so many from students. As gbruin said,

We need better voices coming from campus.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check the FB page

Plenty of students. You lose. Move on.

by Tydides on Apr 9, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do I have no idea?

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 9, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has no idea, because he's being a pedant

Trying to use a tortured form of an argument from ignorance to discredit those that believe that this is a bad plan.

This can also be seen below in his reply to the proposition to take a fair survey, wherein he attempts to discredit or cast doubt on any such survey being a fair or full representation of the wishes of the student body.

by Tydides on Apr 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

But theres no POSSIBLE way to know!!!

Thus, there’s no way you could be right. Also, the earth is for sure flat.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Apr 10, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe

The Morgan center can put out a survey that’s fair and balanced. One simple question…“Do you approve or disapprove of the seating change?”

by lil eg not cs on Apr 8, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this better

Forget what I said. Let’s just settle this the way it began, put out a survey that accurately reflects what they’re trying to do and see if they can still get the students to go along with it. If they truly believe that this is the will of the students, then they have nothing to fear from a fair survey.

by Tydides on Apr 8, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would require not lying...

Thus making the Morgan center a kayaker without a paddle.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Apr 8, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes that would work

Though it would be interesting to see how strongly most people feel about it. I suspect there might be a lot of people who see it as about the same but would be inclined to vote no. There probably aren’t a ton of people gung ho in favor it.

I’m curious what type of response rates Den surveys normally get. It seems like the most rabid fans would be most likely to respond, but if they always sit downstairs they would probably be less concerned with the student section being united than a typical student.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's ok if the present students fuck themselves through complicity or indifference, but

it’s not ok if they fuck future generations of students.

Once those seats are gone, they will be gone forever. There will be no divesting people from seats who have made a major “donation” in order to purchase them.

I would hope they would stand up for the future because, whether they were hoodwinked or not, they will be the faces that justify the land grab.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 9, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I must admit

It’s rather impressive how you’ve managed to completely dismiss the importance of the current students’ opinions while still convincing yourself you’re on their side. That’s great.

It’s hard to disagree too, since it’s clearly not up to the current students to fuck over future students. The only question is whether denying those future students the opportunity to sit in the upper level sideline seats with their partially restricted view seats and usually quiet crowd counts as fucking them. But I guess as a yell leader 50 years ago you must be intimately familiar with what the student section is like today.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

For someone with no ideas on the studets' opinions

You have an awful lot on others’. Perhaps you should stick to your own opinion. What is it, by the way?
So Class of 13, presuming you are a soph or somewhere around there, tell me did the Den leader speak for you? Did you take the survey? Did you read the survey as choosing to sit in the endzone? Would you prefer to be on the sideline? Where is the Den most effective? Do you think there is any value to fighting Morgan Center? Do you appreciate the alums want to help in this issue? Is there anything else you’d like everyone to know?

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Apr 9, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

13 -- Most of the People Writing Here Have Known Pauley For A Long Time

We’ve continued to go to games — in fact, I’m rather proud of my 44 years of attendance at all UCLA venues — including the Coliseum, the Sports Arena, the Rose Bowl, and Pauley.

We know Pauley. I’ve sat in almost every class of seat in the place including having season tickets in the 320 and 322 areas.

I do not care what Morgan Center tells you, there is no way that the backstop seats equal the sideline seats that most of us want you to get.

Why do you think Morgan Center is telling you that it is not financially feasible for you to have those seats?

Think about it. The seats we want you to have will sell for much more than the seats you “voted” to take.

In fact, were we selfish, we’d keep our mouths shut because we will be the people eligible to scoop up the land grab seats. And, once they are gone, they will be gone.

You and your friends can always choose to sit in the backstop area. But, you should not choose to give up the better seats, permanently, for all of the students who are yet to come.

I am really concerned that you seem to have no concern for the process by which the seats were taken.

Finally, what gives the handful of students who were invited to participate in the land grab decision any more standing to speak than those of us who have been supporting UCLA for many years?

We speak for the past and for the future and have as much right to be heard as those of you who have been there a year or two and whose long term commitment to our university has yet to be shown.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 9, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the sake of clarity
I do not care what Morgan Center tells you, there is no way that the backstop seats equal the sideline seats that most of us want you to get.

Why do you think Morgan Center is telling you that it is not financially feasible for you to have those seats?

Which seats are you referring to? The 100’s, the 200’s or the 300’s?

We know Pauley. I’ve sat in almost every class of seat in the place including having season tickets in the 320 and 322 areas.

Which part of the arena were those seats in? It seems that the number scheme has changed, as the highest it goes up to now is 316 (a and b).

by Classof13 on Apr 11, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

All they care about at Morgan Center is money.

They certainly do not care about the truth. They certainly do not value open debate — my posts are down and I have been blocked from their Facebook site.

They whine their way through their talking points about enhancing the student experience by uniting the student section. Then they take down my posts pointing out that if that were their motivation, they could have united the student sections by trading seats in the rafters for seats behind the basket.

It is clear that they are using the one-year closure of Pauley to put into action a long-held dream of turfing the students out of the expensive seats. They could not have made such a radical change from one season to the next. Too many people would have had too vivid memories of the way it was before. Now they can get two classes graduated before imposing this on people who are now freshmen and sophomores.

They’ve also made it personal now, too, by combing through the comments and taking down every one of my posts, all of which were less rude and abusive than some of the ones they left up.

They are dishonorable people.

by Seth Chandler on Apr 7, 2011 6:50 AM PDT reply actions  

The fact that bothers me the most is

they act as if they all care about is money, but then they are really, really bad at generating money.

I would be much more understanding if we were in the top 10 in athletic department revenue. Instead we aren’t in the top 25, and in the middle of the pac 12.

Money IS necessary. Maximizing revenue IS necessary. College athletics is highly competitive. I have no problem with the Morgan Center looking to maximize revenue. The problem is they aren’t very good at it.

by silverlakebruin on Apr 7, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think MAXIMIZING revenue is necessary.

I would have no problem with their mediocre revenue figures if they were maximizing the student experience. But then, they are really, really bad at creating a good student experience.

by Seth Chandler on Apr 7, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its a balance

Of course maximizing revenue is important. It allows you to stay competitive with coaching salaries, facilities etc. If you don’t do that, than you have programs that aren’t competitive.

However, that isn’t in conflict with a great student experience at all. More money can be spent to make sure the student experience is great, and a great Student experience is a key to maximizing future revenues.

UCLA didn’t look at maximizing revenues with Pauley, when the majority of seats are still unattractive by modern standards. The revenue and donations for a new facility would have greatly outstripped what they are making now, and the large number of seats that would be good viewing seats could be used to generate enough revenue for students to maintain their baseline seats.

So, I don’t view them in conflict at all.

by silverlakebruin on Apr 7, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maximizing revenue...

has to go hand in hand with maximizing the student experience. I don’t think in our case, one success will occur without the other. the Morgan Center folks are being incredibly shortsighted, and pretty much making a terrible business decision, that if realized, will screw us over for the long run.

by bruinbunz on Apr 7, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem will show up later, on someone else's balance sheet.

And that’s all Morgan Center Cares about.

After Morgan Center bans me from the UCLA Athletics Facebook page, how receptive do you think I will be to a fund-raising letter from the Alumni association any time in the next, say, 20 years?

All this does is remind me of my run-ins with Murphy Hall when I was a student. And how Chuck Young’s edifice complex kept the campus torn up for my whole four years.

by Seth Chandler on Apr 7, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Edifice complex?

Nice! I’m going to use that.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Apr 7, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

So much

for shaming them into doing the right thing, I guess. It’s a small mind that goes out of its way to delete criticisms.

The sad irony is that many of the money-grubbers, I think, are coasting on UCLA’s past successes. First to 100. Jackie Robinson. Rafer Johnson. Tommy Prothro. John Wooden.

Rather than aspiring to these greats, rather than emulating their boldness, rather than seeking to create similar successes for today’s students, they put it into cruise control. Completely lost on them, it seems, is that none of the aforementioned were handed these platitudes of success to begin with. They had to be bold, shake things up, and persevere.

This is painful.

by Bruinut on Apr 7, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Totally agree. UCLA has been living off of Coach Wooden’s success. I doubt UCLA would be UCLA (academically) without Coach Wooden. When George Mason and Butler reached the Final Four, their interest and applications rose big time. Everytime Coach Wooden is mentioned, UCLA gets free advertising.

by BlueReign on Apr 7, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

As stated before

UCLA is a world class university with name recognition in the far reaches of this planet. Yet, our Athletic Dept is run like a mom and pop operation. If it wasn’t for the extraordinary coaches and athletes that we’ve been fortunate to have, we wouldn’t have the championships and success that we’ve had. Our coaches don’t get paid squat, our athletes don’t have top notch facilities and of course you have Morgan Center being the 12th or 6th or whatever man impeding our coaches & athletes in their drive for success.

I’ll still watch and root for the student athletes but UCLA ain’t getting squat from me. Until UCLA truly gets serious about competing like a top notch university and for championships, they can kiss my arse.

by BlueReign on Apr 7, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Two more C's: chiseling chumps

First a +1 to this post
Second, Morgan C is at the opposite pole from John Wooden. Maybe craven cowards, or chuckleheaded cheapskates would be more apt. They’re screwing tomorrows donors today – that ain’t maximizing profits. That’s eating your seed corn. (A popular biz strategy these days it seems)
As reg fees go up and student experience goes downhill how many future bruins are going to feel what we feel for our school?
Morgan better get smart – if they’re not going to engender school spirit they’d better put out better products (ie. More wins). Or they won’t be able to fill Pauley

by KnudsenRockne on Apr 7, 2011 10:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

GREAT post! Well done bruinut.

I remember and old saying: “It’s not easy to live by your convictions.” This proverb speaks to the courage you describe.

It is clear to me that the Morgan dead Center has NO conviction. They do not have a clear desire to win. They are purely dedicated to pinching pennies and fleecing our fans. It is a disgrace.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Apr 7, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously

How hard is it to have an opt-in of $100 for season tickets to basketball games in the registration fees? Many students would take this and their tickets will essentially “feel” free. Guaranteed improvement of attendance AND revenue.

Instead I’ll continue to call them this.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Apr 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure how that's different from what it's like now

To get tickets you fill out the form for Den Tickets (online if you’re a returning student; on paper if you’re a new student) and you get charged on your BAR account a few months later. It essentially already is a $100 opt in the registration fees.

by Classof13 on Apr 8, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is such an aburd policy

How about this: You get some sort of ID card that prove’s you’re a full time UCLA student. You show that card to the person at the door. The person at the door let’s you in. You go in and find a seat to stand in front of . That’s a pretty simple system. If you must charge, then the school should bury the charge like it probably hides lots of other things.

What’s next? Is there going to be a charge for looking at the beautiful campus? An extra charge for a reserved seat when the lecturer is popular? I’m getting more and more ashamed of my school. It’s starting to sound more and more like just$c*, and i’m dead serious. I suppose this is the culmination of all the slippery slope stories.

by Fox 71 on Apr 8, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very much the way we did it.

show your card. walk in. sit down. along the sideline side

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 9, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not a new policy

UCLA’s charged students to go to games for a long time. For a while there was even a lottery system that barred students from buying season basketball tickets if they didn’t win. That’s no longer the case. It was also recently announced that single game ticket prices for students would drop. So both in terms of access and pricing, the ticketing system is clearly improving.

If you have your complaints about that system, which would be totally understandable given the way things have changed overall, they shouldn’t be new complaints. These things have been going on for years.

On the whole, I’m not really opposed to burying the fees. If everyone was assessed an additional $40 activity fee then not charged for basketball and football tickets, revenue and attendance would both probably increase.

by Classof13 on Apr 11, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

When did things change?

I was there when we had the greatest coach of all time and the perennial NCAA basketball champs. I really can’t remember whether there was a charge to get in, but I don’t think there was. Pauley was brand new (you all know about the famous first game, in which our freshman team beat the defending NCAA champs by 15), and was always full. I know for a fact that the student section was always totall full, and my recollection was that it went end line to end line from the bottom to the top.

Can anyone remember what the cost was then?

Also, can anyone remember when it students lost the entire sideline? I suspect the erosion was gradual, but it had to have started at some point.

There is obviously a great deal of momentum to overcome, but lots of changes have come about because people just got fed up with being screwed over. There was this little Tea Party in Boston in 1773, for example. I still like the idea of a boycott. Maybe get people to walk into guerrero’s office and hand him a letter saying that the revenue faucet is being turned off. If the students could convince guerrero et al that he is alienating the people who he will soon be targeting to buy those expensive tickets he might reconsider.

by Fox 71 on Apr 11, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's different because a lot of students don't know to do this.

When it’s part of the registration all know (it’s like moter voter registration). My high school students who attend ucla have no idea how to get involved in this. It either needs to be clearer in the orientation process or part of the registration process.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Apr 9, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sure what you mean by the registration process

Anyway, every student is sent a brochure for Den Tickets each summer. There are signs on Bruin Walk every fall advertising them. It takes 15 seconds to look up “UCLA Student Section” or “UCLA student basketball tickets” on Google to find out how to buy tickets. I find it hard to believe that there are many students that want tickets that don’t know how to get them.

by Classof13 on Apr 9, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spot on!

Sounds like this Athletic Dept needs a top down, total reevaluation of its true mission…and needs the discipline and conviction to then follow it. If we revere Coach, but don’t follow his philosophies, who are we?

by You'reMyBoyBlue on Apr 7, 2011 9:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Great Stuff

Coach taught it all, if only the current Athletic Department would learn and follow.

by BC_Bruin on Apr 8, 2011 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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