"You go to UCLA to be a better basketball player," Honeycutt said. "Sometimes your offensive game gets put on kind of a hold, but you just become an all-around better basketball player."
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Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
The other (indirect) quote from Honeycutt
was even more amusing to me. I’ll let others go find it so they can laugh too.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
Here we go again:
your offensive game gets put on kind of a hold
Is it any wonder we have this reputation when even our own players echo the sentiment?
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
When I read this quote,
it reminded me once again why so many BB warriors are excelling in the league. CBH may not ever coach a UCLA team that leads the league in scoring year after year, but, the kids who stay and work hard leave as better all-around basketball players and from what I can tell, better all-around people. AA and DC in particular recognized that if you put maximum effort on BOTH sides of the ball, you AND your team benefit.
Yeah, sadly his offensive game never got the "hold" it needed
Can we all say “THTO”?
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
THTO?
I checked Urban Dictionary.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
It was developed during game threads
to keep everyone from having to type Tyler Honeycutt Turnover every three minutes. Proved very usefull
Face-palm quote from that article:
“Honeycutt said he has an offensive game that has yet to be displayed. That wouldn’t be a surprise since recent UCLA players such as Russell Westbrook, Jrue Holiday and Darren Collison exceeded expectations after entering the NBA.”
To put Holiday in any kind of favorable comparison with Westbrook (incredibly talented, great attitude) and Collison (one of the hardest working players UCLA has had in years) should be illegal.
The writer is correct in that Honeycutt’s game has yet to be displayed. It was absent for a great deal of this past year. If he is coming off the bench for 12 productive minutes/game, his future NBA team should get about the same kind of production we saw.
His jump to the NBA still baffles me.
Dreaming of Westwood while in permanent exile in Virginia
You're joking, right?
To put Holiday in any kind of favorable comparison with Westbrook (incredibly talented, great attitude) and Collison (one of the hardest working players UCLA has had in years) should be illegal.
Holiday averaged 14 points, 6.5 assists, 4 boards, 44.6% FG, 36.5% 3PT in his second season, first as a starter. That compares favorably to Westbrook’s second year (16.1/8.0/4.6/44.2%/33%) as well as Collison’s (13.2/5.1/2.8/45.7%/33.1%).
I understand that there’s quite a bit of anti-Holiday sentiment on BN because he left a year early. The fact is he left a year early in our perspective, but he proved to be just as ready as DC and RW. Holiday will be the starting PG in Philly for the foreseeable future and has already played an integral role in helping bring a proud franchise from the depths of the lottery back to the playoffs.
It’s in all Bruins fans interest to see our players succeed in the NBA, even Tyler Honeycutt and especially Malcolm Lee. Their decisions have been scrutinized ad nauseum here, but it’s time to wish our boys luck and to do us proud.
Agree with ish here
Either you haven’t been paying attention to Holiday’s development or you believe that the SacBee writer should inexplicably care about Jrue’s attitude as a collegian
Again, to reiterate
The knock on Jrue is not that he left but because of his constant criticism of Howland and his system as he was propping himself up for the draft, after a year in which he hardly gave it his all. I don’t care if he’s doing well in the NBA, it’s a character issue, and I think that’s what VABruin was alluding to.
You cannot possibly have been held back if you are able to go to the NBA and perform. That is completely illogical. It is the scouts’ problem if they suck at evaluating players. There are plenty of opportunities outside the college game to see the players perform, and they get plenty of chances to show off their scoring prowess.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I beg to differ
I’d say Jrue was getting "Knock"ed around on this blog long before he left for the NBA. Also:
You cannot possibly have been held back if you are able to go to the NBA and perform. That is completely illogical.
I don’t understand this argument
Of course he was
He was knocked around because he wasn’t trying hard.
What about the argument do you not understand? Holding someone back means not letting them develop. If they didn’t develop, how is it that they get drafted? And how is it that they are somehow able to succeed in the NBA? That is such bullshit. “If it wasn’t for Coach Howland, I would be a top 5 pick, easy!”. Somehow, Westbrook and Love weren’t held back enough to fall out of the top 5.
Here’s a question for you: do you know a coach who can turn a player into a scorer? Name a coach who is known for developing a player’s offensive skills. Maybe I don’t follow closely enough but I can’t name one.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Jrue was getting knocked around
Because he stopped trying after the game against Washington State at Pauley. He sulked when Howland called out his defense and he stopped caring about UCLA since then. He was a punk. I personally don’t care how he performs in the NBA and certainly care as much about him as I care Trevor Ariza as a Bruin – which is not much. Jrue can do whatever he wants, but I am not going to follow or care about his career in the NBA.
by Nestor on Jun 14, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
he stopped caring about UCLA since then
I don’t think he ever cared. He wanted to go straight from high school to the pros and David stern killed that dream with the one-and-done rule. He suffered through collegiate purgatory. Unfortuantely we had to suffer with him
Was just about to post
that I figured out what you meant. But I think you’re fundamental assumption here is off. You’re using “held back” to mean the opposite of “developed” when in this context “held back” is the opposite of “allowed to run free”
yeah
and, there is also nothing illogical about a player saying “I was held back in my offensive game” and then thriving in the NBA, for two reasons:
1) thriving in the NBA may be because of things other than offensive game and
2) they might consider they would be doing EVEN BETTER in the NBA if they hadn’t been ‘held back’.
I think in general the meaning of ‘held back’ here is actually something like “I wasn’t allowed to score as many points, make as many 1-on-1 athletic plays or score in the variety of ways I might have been able to at another school – but that is the system we run, I have the ability to do all those things”.
There is a big difference between “I wasn’t allowed to showcase my skills (but I have them)” and “I wasn’t allowed to develop my skills (they stagnated)”; a player would be dumb to argue the latter and (selfish but) smart to argue the former.
There you go
In CBH’s system, you develop a very useful offensive skill: work the play for as long as you can until you get a high percentage shot. That takes discipline and effort. Anyone can just take the ball and go one on one, but those skills are pretty hard to teach except in the post. I don’t think anyone taught Rose how to go one-on-one, but the irony is that in Calipari’s system, he wasn’t exactly free to do that at will either yet I don’t remember him complaining.
So any player who says he was held back is only half correct.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
your offensive game gets put on kind of a hold? wtf?
When you take plays off
miss layups
and turn the ball over
yes i guess that does put your offensive game on hold a bit. LMAO!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.
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